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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:13 PM
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The tightening is real. So, how to proceed?
This is a "useful realism" post, not a defeatist or "concerned" post. If we were getting creamed I wouldn't post it, but we are not getting creamed. We are merely tied with one day to go. That's not a terrible place to be. It just means that it is gut-check time.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the national generic poll has tightened a great deal this week-end. It is dramatic and real. I makes little sense to blame the polls. (The sampling "errors" in party representation are the same effects we saw in 2004. In the old days people stated their party affiliation as how they were actually registered. Today people seem to self-represent their affiliation based on their mood on the day of the poll.)

The non-rhetorical question is this: Is this a broad effect or are the national Republican gains concentrated in ultra-red districts? I don't care if some RW nut in Oklahoma wins by 80% instead of 70%.

The tightening is caused by:

----- Natural factors common to all races. The electorate was "over-bought" on change and is suffering a form of pre-sale buyer's remorse. Certain recent numbers (like Charlie Cook's 61-35 among likely voters) were unsustainable and were bound to fade some.
----- Dirty campaigning. Robo-calls, push-polls, etc.. Add to that flat out lying on talk radio. Half this country has recently heard that the NYT atomic secrets story said that Iraq was only a year away from the bomb in 2002. Even Condi Rice said that on the Laura Ingram show!
----- John Kerry. There is no doubt that the Kerry flap stripped away some very loose supporters and upped RW base interest a lot. That accounts for probably 6-8 points in recent polls--a tiny three point swing is a six point change in the difference. (That doesn't mean anything is Kerry's *fault* This isn't about fault, just about where we are) Keep in mind that part of the reason the TV news allowed the Kerry thing to happen was because we were doing so well. They were bored with the "Dems win" storyline and wanted some controversy and a horse race. And they got it.

The good news is that individual races are all over the place and don't show a clear momentum shift. So the Republican surge may well be very lumpy, with giant gains one place and no gains in another place. The other good news is that the Kerry effect might be transient--something that peaked last Thursday and that we are coming out of.

This has gone from a likely rout to a coin toss with Democrats favored to narrowly take the House. Very close and very scary. It could STILL be a rout or it could be a disaster. It depends whether we bounce or the Republicans bounce in the last 48 hours. It could go either way.

So what do we take away from that? That every vote and action counts for more than we thought it did yesterday.

In addition to all the formal GOTV we should all be doing there's another method for Monday, which is to be a walking political ad all day long. Not strident, but just a real person frightened by the way our country is going. Say you're standing in line somewhere near someone who looks like a likely voter. Just say, out of nowhere, things like "If the Republicans don't lose tomorrow I fear my children will die in Iraq someday. Do you ever feel like that?" (In this environment "Republicans losing" is better PR than "Democrats winning." People who like Democrats are already pretty safe.) If someone mentions the Saddam verdict, say "It's great they found him guilty, but is it worth ten thousand young Americans coming home as amputees, paralyzed, brain damaged? Jesus... it doesn't seem right." That kind of haunting real-world encounter is powerful to people and much harder to tune out than formal campaigning.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:15 PM
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1. As I said in another post
A tightening was inevitable. In 1994, the GOP had the same lead we have now.
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MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:17 PM
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2. As a Admiral Farragut said when his Union Navy
sailed through a confederate minefield in Mobile Bay.

Damn The Torpedoes(or in this case polls) Full Speed Ahead!
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:18 PM
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3. get your ass out there and canvass, phone bank, GOTV!!!!
Keeping yourself busy and AWAY from DU and freaking out over the latest polls is much more productive.

Show up at your local campaign and say I am here to help.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:21 PM
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6. Amen
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:19 PM
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4. No, it's not.
From yesterday:
"A new NEWSWEEK poll shows that the GOP has lost more ground."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15557264/site/newsweek/

While the GOP has lagged behind Democrats throughout the campaign season, the trend in the past month—when NEWSWEEK conducted four polls in five weeks—had suggested the Republicans were building momentum in the homestretch.

No more. The new poll finds support for Republicans (and for President Bush) receding. For example, 53 percent of Americans want the Democrats to win enough seats to take control of one or both houses of Congress in the midterm elections on Tuesday. Those results are close to early October levels, while less than a third of Americans (32 percent) want Republicans to retain control. If the elections were held today, 54 percent of likely voters say they would support the Democratic candidate in their district versus 38 percent who would vote for the Republican-a 16-point edge for the Democrats.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:21 PM
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5. DU thanks you for your concern.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:08 PM
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14. This is not group therapy.
If I was a troll I would be reposting the last Cook poll and telling everyone to sleep in tomorrow. But that poll is outdated and we really shouldn't sleep in tomorrow.

I have no interest in making people comfortable. I want us to win both houses so I don't die in a fucking concentration camp. I don't see how playing "pick-a-poll" and calling everyone you disagree with a troll much helps in that.

The point here is THAT THIS RACE COULD GO EITHER WAY. That is a new development and one people should be aware of. That is not "we are domed" it is a fucking wake-up call.

It is very likely that we (Democrats) are going to put money into best-bet house races tomorrow to try to guarantee a close win in the house, just like the Rs are doing in the Senate. We can still win 40 but we NEED to win 15. If today's polls were different we would spend money differently on speculative races. So why not cut out the middle man and write the DNC that they're a bunch of trolls?

I posted a good bit about last week's amazing Cook report numbers and I am posting about today's somewhat disappointing numbers.

They are numbers. They change every day because the world changes every day.



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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:14 PM
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16. I'd be MUCH more impressed if I were reading this on Wednesday.
Timing is everything.
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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:23 PM
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7. So, is the new TIME poll (Dems up 15) not real?
let's just split the difference and say we're up 8 or 9...Anything over 8, according the the number gurus I've read, is a wave.

I'll go with Chris Bowers at mydd.com. He keeps his predictions on the conservative/pessimistic side, and ignores the macro/generic polls. He's now`saying 23-28 Dem pickups in House. Sounds about right, and will give us a nice edge in the House.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:41 PM
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12. All the polls are equally real. All are falible snapshots of time.
I think both are accurate. When I say the tightening is definately real that means it is a multi-confirmed facet of reality from Thurs-Saturday. This close to the election that trumps the snapshots of reality from Wed-Fri, and so on.

The real point is that no matter whater the numbers are, all of the most recent polls are tighter than the previous poll in the same set. We are not behind, but it is not a cake walk.

And why should it be? We are up against entrenched and amoral people who are fighting over billions of dollars and to keep out of prison.

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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:24 PM
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8. It's not a problem
If you look at individual races a lot of Democrats are leading or running very close.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:28 PM
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9. MoveOn.Org's Call for Change Campaingn will boost voter turnout the most!
Our members chipped in millions to allow MoveOn to buy the most up-to-date lists, acquire consumer data, and use micro-targeting to ensure that every call is maximized. We used the Busby and Lamont campaigns to test our program and make it a good user experience. After Busby, a Yale study compared our phone program to others and found that it boosted turnout the most.

Part of the reason we designed the program the way we did was to make it work for parents and others who’ve want to chip in but only have 20 or 30 minutes free to volunteer at the end of a long work day—not just the super-activists. Also, folks in areas without competitive races or who live in rural areas far from campaign offices no longer have to be excluded from GOTV.

Go to www.callforchange.org and get on the phone NOW!
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:29 PM
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10. We WILL win the House!
Edited on Sun Nov-05-06 10:29 PM by in_cog_ni_to
Rothenberg political report and The Cook Report are 2 of the MOST RELIABLE political pollsters and they BOTH say the Dems win the House. The ONLY difference is by how many seats. Charlie and Stu KNOW their politics.

We are NOT tied.

http://www.cookpolitical.com/

http://www.rothenbergpoliticalreport.blogspot.com/
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Tiggeroshii Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:34 PM
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11. We're only tied in the Senate right?
I think polling and anaylisis has shown the Democrats will still sweep the house.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 10:44 PM
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13. It's only tightened in Montana
Name one other state where it's tightened.

We are now ahead in Virgina and Missouri and still slightly ahead in Montana. How is that tightening?
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William Bloode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-05-06 11:12 PM
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15. What the numbers don't show is who is going to come out and vote.
People can say I'm gonna vote for such, and such". But it makes no difference if they don't go vote. The pukes and christian right are very demoralized, so i don't see them coming out in droves. On the other hand our side is very energized, and i see us killing them with turn out.
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