Marry me please / Chelsea Clinton joins New York hedge fund

[mdmc]

Chelsea Clinton joins New York hedge fund
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton has joined Avenue Capital Group, a $12 billion hedge fund manager whose founder has contributed to many Democratic Party campaigns, a person familiar with the matter said on Friday.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061103/pl_nm/fund_chelseaclinton_dc

God, She looks great!

[KyndCulture]

1. She looks lovely!!!

[Thegonagle]

19. I once had a dream that I was dancing with Chelsea,

and then we...

Well, I woke up before that happened. ;)

[SouthernBelle82]

114. Yes she does

Very sweet charisma around her. She's really grown up a lot. So what are the Bush twins doing now? I haven't heard anything from them in forever. Wasn't one of them going to do a student teaching thing and the one with the brown hair was in some African country helping there.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. She's leaving McKinsey?

How sad!!

I hope she enjoys the hedge fund.

[Poiuyt]

3. She has grown up into a beautiful woman

[rusty charly]

4. that's 2004 pic

i'm sure she still looks great, but why is a news organization running such an old photo?

[JohnnyLib2]

5. What a wonderful week for karma....

Stick it in your painful posterior, Limbaugh!

[EstimatedProphet]

23. We should send Limbaugh that pic

"Here's another pretty woman who would never be seen with you, pigboy!"

[MannyGoldstein]

6. Why Isn't She in Iraq?

She should be supporting mommy's war.

[mdmc]

7. she is too pretty to fight

:kick::patriot:

[ShortnFiery]

62. Tell that to the Moms and Dads who have lost DAUGHTERS

in Iraq? They are too pretty (and precious) to them to fight.

Yes, Chelsea and The Twins should be in an MP unit patrolling Baghdad. :grr:

Nepotism, either democratic or republican disgust me. :thumbsdown:

[SPKrazy]

83. How Is It Nepotism In A Volunteer Army?

Chelsea has no obligation to join because her Mommy supported it. I guess the Bush twins don't either.

The war is a tragic mistake and a miscalculation made by narcissistic megalomaniacal people running this country.

But, there is not nepotism here.

Bush walking away from the national guard, which he joined to avoid the draft is nepotism.

[mdmc]

90. aWol

:kick:

[ShortnFiery]

94. Yes, there is every obligation because "mommy" supports this

horrid occupation. Chelsea is no more special than any other son or daughter who has given their lives. These kids signed up to protect our country, not to be TARGETS in the middle of a civil war and illegal occupation. Show us you care Hillary, send Chelsea! If not, then join John Murtha in pulling out our sons and daughters sooner rather than later. This blood bath must stop but if the politicians won't STOP this madness, then send YOUR CHILDREN. Otherwise they do not deserve to represent their constituents. :grr:

[genie_weenie]

96. You are so wrong on this thread.

The Clinton name had nothing to do with Chelsea getting into Stanford.

The Clinton name had nothing to do with Chelsea getting a 6 figure job at 26, by way of comparison her mother worked her way up to full partner at the age of 33.

As a member of the Ruling Class she can not be expected to sacrifice her time, health or (gasp) life in a hellhole like Iraq, no matter what her mother may decide! Come on what's wrong with you?!?!? Chelsea has to be groomed to run this nation.

Jeez! I'd figure you would understand that!

The Ruling class are special and MUST take over the guiding of this nation. They need to set policy and run industry and determine the economics and lead the dumb people throughout their lives.

Occasionally the Ruling Class must cull "the herd" by engaging in wars, which their children are necessarily exempt from due to the their burdens of leadership.

[ShortnFiery]

100. LOL

You forgot :sarcasm: ;)

[ProfessorGAC]

97. Send Chelsea???? What Are You Talking About?

Chelsea is a 26 year old woman. She doesn't have to do what her mom tells her to do. Hillary can't "send" her anywhere. She's an adult, not a pet. Anger can be justified, but misdirecting it never can be.
The Professor

[ShortnFiery]

99. She will inherit her warmongering Mom's wealth. She should be

over there with "the twins" within an MP unit patrolling Baghdad like MANY 20 something American WOMEN are doing to serve their country.

It's time The Ruling Class put their children in this immoral and illegal occupation, then it will END in seconds flat. :(

[ProfessorGAC]

101. Are You Sharing A Brain With Someone?

If you're not, then why would you expect Chelsea and Hillary to be sharing one?

Chelsea's MOTHER voted for IWR. Not Chelsea! She doesn't owe anything to anyone, including her mom. And especially not to an anonymous raver on the internet! If you want to be mad at Hillary for voting yes, have at it. I share your antipathy, since i knew, in the midwest, that the whole thing was ginned up. They weren't fooled. They were cowed into the vote because they couldn't "risk" looking unpatriotic. That's pathetic. But, that isn't the fault of a single child of any one of them.

By the way: There ARE rich kids in Iraq. There are two children of Congress people in Iraq. Somehow, the ruling class has kids over there and it's NOT OVER IN SECONDS FLAT. So, you're wrong about that random conclusion based upon a hypothetical. It's not hypothetical, and what you're saying would happen hasn't.

When your points make some sense, i'll listen. In the meantime, take a deep breath and quit the nonsense. Chelsea owes you, or me, any explanation as to how she lives her life. And just so you know, her parents were NOT wealthy when she was a kid. Bill was in debt when he left the White House. He's wealthy now because of the book deal and speaking fees.

So, get your facts straight, get your logic in order, and then we'll talk.
The Professor

[greatauntoftriplets]

104. .......

:yourock:

[ShortnFiery]

120. Thanks ... I knew you would never behave like an opportunistic cheerleader.

:sarcasm:

[greatauntoftriplets]

134. Excuse me.

I didn't know that disagreeing with you was not allowed on DU.

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

135. Disagreeing is cool. Cheap shots are not. n/t

[robbob]

140. "Cheap shots are not"?

What the hell was post #120?

[ShortnFiery]

143. Just like you "jumped into" a particular line to "pile on"

That's the underhaned cheerleading type, pile-on, tag team posting that should be below us.

My post was bringing this person to the attention that if she wished to add content, it's cool, but being a "drooling admirer of someone who INSULTED me," NOT so cool.

Like you jumping in right now without reading the earlier insultive post that was "cheered" ... it's UN-COOL.

[greatauntoftriplets]

141. And I can see that you have great familiarity with cheap shots.

:eyes:

[ShortnFiery]

144. I have not made any OR if you feel that way at least I provided content

to my post and did not just PILE ON to be "one of the gang." :shrug:

[robbob]

145. ???

<self delete>

Sorry, gotta start looking at who replies are directed at! <blush>

[ShortnFiery]

146. It wasn't a cheap shot but an acknowlegement of her direct insult to me

as a cheerleader of someone who made a personal attack. (Read above)

There's nothing wrong with me. It seems that when you wish to pile on you don't expect people to defend themselves. My comment was MILD considering the initial suggestion that I was somehow "sharing a brain." :wtf: does that mean? over.

Please read again?

[ShortnFiery]

147. It's cool, I've sinned many times = also gone overboard.

I initially jumped in here because I felt sorry for STELLA even though this person was, at times, OVER THE TOP.

I hope that we can be thoughtful enough to forgive someone who reacts with raw emotion like Stella and not continue to pile on? IMO, that's just cruel, so I jumped in with my curt (sometimes caustic) viewpoints. :blush:

IMO The truth lies somewhere in the in-between.

Peace. :hi:

[genie_weenie]

106. By economic breakdown, what percentage of

the military comes from families where the income was below the poverty line? Or from families which made over 100,000 a year? Of failies that made over 1 million a year?

And 2 children of 535 Congressmen means the ruling clas has kids over there? Are you sure about that one?

[ProfessorGAC]

107. Is One More Than None?

Answer: Yes. The poster was wrong. End of story.

I'm not even suggesting that the point isn't valid, if the point is that more rich folks should have kids in the military. But, that's not the point about which the poster was ranting. That poster was angry because Hillary voted for IWR and Chelsea should somehow be held to account for her mother's actions. That's a Klingon tradition, not an American one.

The anger is gortesquely misplaced. Chelsea Clinton has done nothing to deserve the anger expressed here. She's trying to live her life on her terms. That's what we liberals are supposed to be about, no? Freedom of choice. Her accident of birth is not her fault. It just is.


The Professor

[genie_weenie]

108. Hmm, maybe we talking past one another.

I think the defense of priveldge is the issue.

Of course she's benefited from her name and from having a President for a father and then a Senator for a mother.

Did she attend public school when her father was in DC? Did her status as daughter of the President help at all in getting into Stanford?

I don't think some of the defenses (e.g. How do you know she's not qualified) would be made in defense of children of politicians that are not liked on the DU.

The truth is things do not change. Politicians use their offices to enrich and advance themselves, their cronies and the family members.

And as far as the military goes, the standing army principle was rejected by most of the Founding Fathers because it leads to it's use in Wars of Conquest. And hell it's quite obvious to those who are serving or have served that unless you have a family member in harm's way america doesn't give a shit about Iraq.

[ProfessorGAC]

109. Maybe A Bit

I don't object to your principles in this regard. However, as a strong proponent of freedom of choice as an absolute right, it's her parents right to send her to whichever school they wish, and her right to choose to not attempt to attone for the sins of her parents.

No matter how you or anyone else defines privilege, she is not the one to be vilified. The system is what the system is, and it is not for us to expect her to do anything but be Chelsea.

As to some of your particulars: Did she get into Stanford with inferior scores or high school grades? No. She made her grades and test scores a matter of public record. She deserved to go there. Did her name smooth the seas a bit? Probably. But, she didn't get into Yale with inferior credentials like someone we know and loathe.

And, i never made any such defense anyway. All i objected to, and still do, is the notion that this young woman has anything for which to apologize. And i object to the notion that she owes you, me, or anybody else on this site anything beyond being a good citizen and nice person.

Her mom voted for IWR. OK, that's a fact. How that has the first thing to do with Chelsea is a point that fails the logic test.
The Professor

[ShortnFiery]

123. I was only saying that there were no Clintons or Bushes in Iraq

No dynastic family members of political power. I regret if I gave you another impression.

I come from the midwest but the only way I could earn my advanced degree was to work for a RA Commission through ROTC and serve in the active duty U.S. Army. Then I used the educational benefits after I resigned my Commission to earn my Masters.

What you are not processing is that it's becoming that ONLY the upper middle class can afford to assist their children with their higher education.

Chelsea is no more special than the rest of us scrap to make ends meet, working class slobs. If my Mother and Father were warmongering, I'd either join a peace group or enter the military.

I think its sick that the wealthy children don't have to pay ANY price because they can have mommy and daddy buy their educations and place them in initial six-figure salary jobs. That's IMO really depraved excess wealth. :puke: It's legal but don't demand that those of us who have worked minimum wage jobs for extra money in H.S. have to admire the *slacker* children of the ultra-wealthy.

[ShortnFiery]

119. "There ARE rich kids in Iraq."

Instead of attacking my person, look within.

Rich kids in Iraq are few and far between.

If her Mom wants to warmonger and Chelsea is getting her fortune, show us you care Clintons. :P Don't B.S. me we are talking about another budding dynasty and I'm sick of it. :(

I have my facts straight, you just don't like my opinion.

Yes there are a handful of representative's kids in Iraq but none of them are named Bush or Clinton.

[ProfessorGAC]

102. Double Post

.

[HamdenRice]

110. I agree Chelsea needs to get her ass over to Baghdad

This is the first war in which the political leaders' adult children have almost all refused to serve.

As long as Hillary is a war monger, Chelsea's job should be on patrol in Baghdad, Fallujah or Tikrit.

[oasis]

113. Anyone who advocates that someone else go to Iraq, should go themselves.

You included.

[HamdenRice]

122. I almost did

First of all, I'm too old to enlist. But I did prepare to bid on a consultancy in northern Iraq for a humanitarian organization, but the security situation deteriorated and the request for bids was withdrawn. If that or some similar consultancy is put out for bid again, and I'm not otherwise occupied, I would go.

But in terms of humanitarian and human rights work, I've been in Liberia after the 1980 coup, and I lived as an African American in South Africa in the late 1980s, where I faced down police tear gas and one detention.

So don't assume that I haven't done some kind of service to my country or humanity.

I did my bit, so Chelsea, whose mother is a pro war Democrat should do hers. She needs to get her ass on a foot patrol in Tikrit as far as I'm concerned.

[oasis]

126. So are you for sending in more troops with Chelsea, or just her? I'm

for getting everyone the hell out of there.

[HamdenRice]

128. Just her ...

she could relieve someone from Appalachia or the south side of Chicago. In other words, whether she as the child of a prominent war supporter should serve is a different issue from the issue of how to extricate the country from this catastrophe.

But I do know that if the majority of political leaders had children at risk the war, as they did in prior wars, there would be more urgency in solving the bigger problem.

BTW, have you served overseas in the armed forces in Iraq, or in any other country in relief or development or in any other capacity -- since you brought that issue up?

[oasis]

132. It's you who brought the issue up. I never advocated sending anyone to Iraq.

Btw,I served in Vietnam.:patriot:

[HamdenRice]

136. Thanks for your service

The "issue" I was referring to wasn't whether Chelsea should go -- it was your suggestion that any person who says someone should go should himself go.

[SouthernBelle82]

116. So stock that for another poster

who hasn't asked Chelsea how she feels about Iraq. How do you know she isn't for it and she is antiwar? You haven't heard her views on the issue so you're willing to send her there when you could care less if she would want to go there and kill innocent people in the first place? Wow now that's pretty rude.

[HamdenRice]

121. Al Gore Jr. was against the Vietnam War ...

and so was his father, Sen. Al Gore, Sr., but Gore felt it his obligation, as the son of a senator, to serve in Vietnam. Lincoln, Eisenhower, FDR all had children who served, as did the children of many senators and congressmen. It was the norm then, and that tradition ensured that politicians did not support stupid unnecessary wars.

So it doesn't matter how Chelsea "feels." Screw her feelings. Her mother is still a supporter of this catastrophic crime against humanity, and her daughter should be in the armed services.

Perhaps if Chelsea was on foot patrol in Tikrit, Hillary would think twice about running to the right and supporting the continuation of the war. That's the way it's supposed to work.

[SPKrazy]

154. Children Of Leaders Have Some Rights Too

at least the last time I looked

Hillary can't just "send" Chelsea, anymore than bush can "send" his twins.

They could talk to them, suggest they go, etc.

but if they don't go, it isn't nepotism because no one else is being "forced" to go in a volunteer military.

The fact is that there may be a draft, in which case, them not going would be nepotism, and criminal.

The fact that Chelsea doesn't go will have no bearing on her running for office (Chelsea) in the future because it in fact shows nothing except that she didn't go to war that her mother supported.

I didn't PM you at your request, I don't think we've really gone "round and round" on this before, but you are entitled to your opinion and your interpretation of what happens

peace

[SouthernBelle82]

115. In case you haven't noticed

Chelsea is an adult and she doesn't make decisions that her mommy makes. You haven't asked her her feelings on the issue have you?

[ShortnFiery]

125. Don't you think it would go a long ways to help earn Mommy's inheritance? n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

10. Because she's extremely intelligent and deserves bigger and better things than combat.

Ask any parent of a privileged background, especially the scion of a political family, and they will tell you that.

They will positively recoil at the suggestion of any intmate acquaintance that their son or daughter needs combat (or a job in the trades, or some other non-career track job) to find themselves and prove their worth. Their parents went thru hell to provide her with a ticket to the upper class, goddamnit! And nobody's gonna take that away from their kid.

Funny how they don't get denounced for their common-sense enunciation of upper middle class values (or in the Clintons' case, the values of the wealthy and powerful: where social liberalism and kindness towards the less fortunate is simply noblesse oblige.)

Let's see, Jenna bush joins a Wall Street investment firm whose founder gave lots of money to BushCo... quickly gets a job paying high six figures and says "this is Manhattan, high six-figures is middle class, and I have good genes... he was one of our smartest presidents... I deserve this"

[Warren DeMontague]

18. She's an adult.

Has anyone asked her what her opinion is of the thing?

[LostinVA]

32. I don't wish anyone in Iraq

Not even the Bush twins. She shouldn't be in Iraq. She should be exactly where she is.

[Lindacooks]

59. You know, that's really crass.

I'm sick to death of people blaming the war on Dems who voted for it. This is BUSH'S WAR and CHENEY'S WAR, pure and simple. They would have attacked with or without Congress' rubber stamp.

Quit shooting Dems in the foot, will ya?

[Hippo_Tron]

76. True, but if every Dem had the courage that the guy we have in our avatar did

I'm not so sure we'd be in Iraq right now.

[Lindacooks]

87. Yeah, and Paul Wellstone never would have said something like

that about Chelsea Clinton.

[Hippo_Tron]

88. This is true

[Pithlet]

111. My father supports the war.

Does that mean I should be over there? I don't think so. Since when did suffer the sins of the father/mother become a liberal, progressive ideal?

[oasis]

112. You and Chelsea can draw straws to go to Iraq. Fair enough?

:shrug:

[SmokingJacket]

124. Well that's silly. My parents are Republican, but I'm not.

A child should take no reponsibility for a parent's actions.

That said, I have no respect for any person who chooses to work for a hedge fund. You have all the privilege in the world, could pretty much have any career you want, and you choose to help rich people get richer?? :puke:

[Oeditpus Rex]

8. Tell ya somethin' about Chelsea

When she was a student at Stanford, she'd occasionally visit kids at Lucile Packard Children's Hospital on the campus and corresponded with some when they weren't in the hospital.

There was never any media coverage of this that I'm aware of. A former boss's daughter, who had leukemia, was a frequent "guest" at the hospital and counts the good Ms. Clinton among her friends.

[ShortnFiery]

63. Oh well then, she deserves to be handed wealth through nepotism. n/t

[SouthernBelle82]

117. Aw that's really sweet

I miss it where Chelsea was campaigning for war. People wanting her to go hasn't even asked her opinions of it and she hasn't made them known. Now instead of blaming Chelsea for something her mother did why not oh I don't know blame the mother??? :shrug: I know it's a silly though.

[AtomicKitten]

9. After the rude remarks she endured from Limbaugh when she

first came to the WH, her sweetest revenge is having grown into a beautiful young woman. And Limbaugh buys drugs by a dumpter.

[StellaBlue]

11. FUCK HER, TOO!

Entitlement bitch, just like W's offspring.

I could do anything she can do, and I am barely scraping by almost without hope.

Fuck all the oligarchs, without exception. I wonder how much they're paying her.

:puke:

[AtomicKitten]

12. truly tasteless commentary

eom

[StellaBlue]

14. No, a 26-year old making six figures for having a certain last name is truly tasteless

I am CERTAIN I can do ANYTHING Chelsea can do.

This just shows that she is 100% part of the DLC, corporate-loving, NAFTA-backing, hedge-fund-working PROBLEM.

Maybe you are comfortable and have healthcare and savings and a pension. Maybe she's not your enemy.

[AtomicKitten]

16. The difference is I don't resent her for having been born into a family

that was able to give her opportunities I didn't have. I don't roll like that. She is not responsible for the world's ills and certainly not mine. And she is nobody's enemy simply because of her last name. She is my daughter's age and I resent the gratuitous pile-on.

[Name removed]

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[ikojo]

34. Maybe Chelsea got the job based on her

merit...maybe not...but she like George W and his daughters will skate through life with hardly a financial worry. I see no difference in her getting by on her last name and Bush getting by on his last name. If we call Bush on it, we are being hypocrites not to call the Clintons on it.

Of course a lot of rich kids in NYC get where they are on account of family connections. It's not what you know but WHO you know.

[fujiyama]

54. She was born to well off parents

and will lead an easy life. And she got a job using family connections.

So what?

I see a lot of people judging her (and for that matter a few other politicians' sons and daughters). None of us know her personally. From what I've seen through the media she seems like a decent, compassionate, and intelligent person. Considering her education and other professional experience, she's as qualified as anyone for the job she got. Unlike Bush, she looks like she did get good grades and did work hard to get where she is.

And I find this bitterness over her mother's war vote irrelevant. Chelsea is an adult. Does anyone here even know for certain if she agrees with her mother's decision?

[SouthernBelle82]

118. And she used those opportunities

Anyone of us would have done that I'm sure. She actually studied hard and did the work. She wasn't a slacker like George Bush was in college who got into Yale (but couldn't a Texas university) and he just wasted the opportunity. So she is making a better life for herself and who knows maybe someone else.

[DocSavage]

26. No You Can't

You do no bring a name to a major firm. You cannot be used as a marketing tool. You do not even have half of what Chelsa will bring to the table at that firm. She may not know the difference between a margin and a fixed cost on a balance sheet, but that will not matter.

[LostinVA]

29. She also has a fantastic educational background, which helps

And, if she did get her job via nepotism, that's life. It happens at all levels of society: the small locally-owned business, the local Sheriff's department, etc. At least she's qualified, and at least her parents earned their money.

She's a good kid -- I have no ill will towards her.

[genie_weenie]

39. "And, if she did get her job via nepotism, that's life."

Ah, nobility must be allowed it's way after all. So much for the meritocracy.

How exactly did she get thea "fantastic education"? Or is that just part of life as well?

[ShortnFiery]

64. No, that's bull shit!

We should have a Democratic Republic but IMO there's far too many RULING FAMILIES who are filthy rich.

We need a progressive income tax and NOT to elect any more DYNASTIES (Bush, Clinton) to the level of President of the United States.

[Scout1071]

30. So, you take it out on her?

Really, why is it her fault that she was born to Bill and Hillary? She has done some great things for a young woman her age. She has turned out to be one of the best kids to ever be churned out of the WH.

I'm not a fan of the DLC, but we don't need to be tearing down other Dems, and we certainly don't need to be making ugly comments about their kids.

[ikojo]

85. I don't know about that....Amy Carter went to

Brown and protested with Abbie Hoffman...IMHO, THAT is worthy of more respect than working for a hedge fund.


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE0D6163BF93BA35752C0A961948260

LEAD: Amy Carter, daughter of former President Jimmy Carter, and Abbie Hoffman, a peace activist, outside court yesterday in Northhampton, Mass. They said they planned to call foreign ministers and former intelligence agents as witnesses in their trials on charges stemming from an anti-C.I.A. protest Nov.

Amy Carter, daughter of former President Jimmy Carter, and Abbie Hoffman, a peace activist, outside court yesterday in Northhampton, Mass. They said they planned to call foreign ministers and former intelligence agents as witnesses in their trials on charges stemming from an anti-C.I.A. protest Nov. 24, at the University of Massachusetts. (AP)

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

33. I can imagine one thing she can do that you can't .

That would be putting on a smile and getting along with other people. It's a huge part of making it in this world.

You don't have her connections, true, but if you truly have all of her talent, then make it so for yourself. Having been very high up in the corporate world, I can assure you that connections and last names only matter about .001% of the time. Attitude, ability, and humility matter 100% of the time, though.

Turn the binoculars around and give it a try.

[StellaBlue]

41. hahahahahahahahaha

"Having been very high up in the corporate world, I can assure you that connections and last names only matter about .001% of the time. Attitude, ability, and humility matter 100% of the time, though."

:rofl:

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

45. Thanks for proving my point!

If you ever get serious about building the rewarding, satisfying career you crave, I think there are a number of people here who can help you.

[StellaBlue]

48. "building the rewarding, satisfying career you crave"

Geez, do you write corporate career self-help books or WHAT?

Bwhahahahaha.

[LordLovesAWorkingMan]

51. Nope, I just have a career, is all.

I used to feel the way you do, but I got over myself.

Good luck to you.

[DocSavage]

50. One of your

previous posts you state you are the same age, now you are saying you have been very high up in the corporate world, and yet you are having a hard time making ends meet. Which is it?

The fund manager wants clients. She will bring a lot of money because of her last name and her political connections. 0.001% of a billion is still a lot of scratch.

[ProdigalJunkMail]

52. Stella, the dearly departed

was referring to a post by LordLovesAWorkingMan...I doubt Stella has held a job for very long based on her vitriolic tone.

sP

[ShortnFiery]

66. Personal attacks are a sure fire sign that something is personally

troubling the attacker. What is it? Stella made you consider the possibility that "The Clintons" that you choose to adore may not be all that perfect?

[ProdigalJunkMail]

92. er...what?

I agree something was troubling Stella, but are you saying that I have personally attacked? And I do not adore the Clintons by any means, however, I do not HATE them as Stella obviously does...

sP

[ShortnFiery]

93. You are changing the subject.

I'll give you that Chelsea is highly intelligent and just perhaps, you don't ADORE the Clintons.

However, as a "toned down" (sometimes :blush:) person who holds Stella's perspective, I feel that it's highly naive to believe that her family connections did not land her this six figure job.

I do believe, with very few exceptions (Warren Buffet, Bill Gates, Cher, etc.) family dynasties, especially in politics are toxic to the continued Democratic Republic.

Yes, in many ways, IMO being filthy rich can be a sin because of the HUGE gap between the rich and the poor we may end up like Mexico, i.e., the super-rich families control the economy and everyone else lives on the margins.

Although, save for NAFTA and welfare reform, Clinton was a good president, I don't want a Clinton Dynasty, one each, Hillary Clinton elected as our President. I feel sad for that because I am a feminist and was part of Hillary's fan club when she was first lady. She's changed.

I'll admit that I don't like people who are filthy rich nor even the upper middle classes who *show off* their wealth. Unfortunately this includes a few DLC Democrats - I don't trust them because they have lost touch with the plight of The Average American.

Finally, someone mentioned that Chelsea was too pretty to serve in the Military. I say "no" and that none of the beloved daughters who have given their lives in combat while serving in Iraq SIGNED UP to be targets in the middle of a civil war. Since Hillary Clinton is not in favor of pulling out the troops immediately, then yes, prove it. Send Chelsea. To many Moms and Dads who lost their children in Iraq, Chelsea in "no better or prettier" than their beloved sons and daughters.

She's intelligent and pretty, but her class status and family name has made her "a slacker." And yes, as an woman who would not have had the money to earn her degree without serving in the US Army, I honestly resent the fact that far too many of our politicians children are deemed "too special" to serve in the military. Again, no one volunteered to serve in an illegal and immoral occupation ... and now civil war. :thumbsdown:

[phylny]

79. hahaha

:nopity:

[nick303]

84. He's right nt

[Tellurian]

36. You have NO personality..

How could you possibly do ANYTHING Chelsea can do?

I don't want to hear your comparisons of hard luck stories.

Show me how qualified you are in every respect to do what Chelsea can do.

[Marie26]

105. She's earned it

Chelsea was a National Merit Scholar, w/a Stanford education. She's from a privileged background, but she's more than qualified for the job.

[Rabrrrrrr]

129. If you can do anything she can do, then go do it.

Go apply at McKinsey & Co. to be a consultant. Go apply to her hedge fund.

If have you the skills, then go for it.

I worked at a consulting firm and an investment bank, with people make huge fucking salaries - and a hell of a lot of them were people who grew up just like me: uneducated working class parents, and products of public schools.

The big firms generally don't give a shit about people's last names: if you have the skills, the drive, a show of leadership, and an ability to take some risks, that's all they want. A famous last name might help out, but it sure as hell isn't necessary.

The argument "I could do that, so he/she doesn't deserve that (whatever it is a person is bitchin' about)" is so puerile and empty, it makes me laugh, whether it's looking at a painting and saying "I could do that" or someone's job or a piece of music.

If you can do it, then go fucking do it.

Or shut the fuck up.

[Capn Sunshine]

131. Unless your CV looks like Chelsea's

I really doubt it. She was an academic superstar , schooled first by Quakers in DC (Sidwell Friends) then @ Stanford University in 1997, graduating four years later cum laude with a history degree. She then studied at University College at Oxford, where her father was a Rhodes Scholar in 1968-70. She did economics studies at Yale . She interned with several brokers since 1999. She got in on MERIT, not with a "C--" average and a legacy ( meaning Dad/Gpa donated millions to the school) like W.

She's not responsible for whose vagina she came from, but what she did personally after that is significant when you compare it with the party girls known as the Bush twins.

She's qualified to do her job, and I challenge your assertion that you could do her job, although I don't know if you have a background as a quantitative analyst like Chelsea. If you do, then yeah, you probably could do her job.

Does the family recognition help? Hell yes. Is she worthy ? Yes to that too.

[Leopolds Ghost]

13. I'm sure they're paying her enough to repay in kind

Whatever favor Vernon Jordan or whoever did or will do if Hillary gets elected?

Funny how these sort of "he/she has good genes and will be a political leader in her own right" plum jobs come to a DEAD STOP the moment his/her ruling family's political fortunes go on the wane (see: Kathleen Kennedy Townshend) and then and only then do you see their heirs taking shit jobs early in life in order to "prove themselves" or god forbid, non-partisan public service.

BTW, I guess economic populism knows no religion after all since we appear to be saying the same things here and on the other thread... :hi:

[StellaBlue]

15. I suffer no corporatists gladly, of any stripe, persuasion, or religion

:hi:

I have been radicalized by age, which is the opposite of most people's experience. I see things getting worse and worse and almost no leaders stepping forward to represent those of us who actually MAKE this country.

[trumad]

22. I've read thousands of posts on DU

and I gotta say that yours are the biggest crybaby posts that I've read. radicalized by age---ya, in to a bitter old prune.

[Tellurian]

37. Please, a Narcissist by any other name is STILL, a Narcissist!

No doubt she's heard this before and posts here to fill the 'Look at Me void'!

[trekbiker]

35. good morning Stella...

looks like you got yourself into a little bit of a catfight..

you should move the hell out of Texas and try California.. more opportunities for teachers I should think. much better weather too

[Dorian Gray]

69. Out of curiosity,

what does that even mean? Radicalized by age? Hmmm....

[mdmc]

24. naughty, naughty

be nice :)

[genie_weenie]

25. She's better than you.

And it's accepted here. Maybe we could grant her some sort of title from the government...

[Name removed]

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[ShortnFiery]

67. Fear not, there are more people on our side anti-nepotism ...

but not at this moment and within this forum.

The Democrats need to separate themselves from the big money families within the DNC. The average people (the ones who don't get six figure jobs handed to them because of Mommy and Daddy) are getting disgusted with both nepotism and political dynasties.

Time will reveal who's correct.

With respect, cool down a little and just let time pass. :hi:

[Dorian Gray]

71. "All of you can go to hell."

Excuse me for a moment while I LMAO! BWAH!

[LoZoccolo]

27. You have one of the biggest entitlement mentalities I've ever seen.

Granted, it's aimed much, much lower than the one you purport Chelsea to have, but complaining about things like working under "artificial light" in a "profit-driven environment" and not getting to go to lunch until 1:30 sounds pretty entitled.

Before you claim this is a personal attack, please remember that you did bring yourself into this conversation by comparing Chelsea to you.

[LostinVA]

31. Exactly what I said up post

She should visit Pine Ridge Reservation, go work in a field with migrant workers for a day, work an assembly line where you have to piss in your pants because there are no bathroom breaks, etc.

Entitlement mentalities all at all levels, and Chelsea Clinton is not someone I'm railing about. Not yet, anyway.

[StellaBlue]

43. NO ONE should work in a sweatshop

DUH.

But nobody deserves to earn six figures a year when other people can barely feed their kids. It's immoral. This type of thing is just another ugly face of the corporate oligarchy, right up there with Dick Cheney's millions in tax cuts.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

47. Wow. Financial success is immoral.

:rofl:

It's terrible that there are poor people in this country, but to say six figure incomes are immoral is just plain stupid. If that money is used to help others, is it still immoral?

[StellaBlue]

49. No, it's not. But that's usually not the case.

I am thinking mainly of the Dick Cheney class and their massive tax cuts.

That's immoral.

Making money speculating off other people's work is also immoral.

I hate the financial industry.

[DocSavage]

53. Where is the cut off?

is the 55K a year I make too much? I mean there are still people that can barely feed thier kids. Do my kids have to suffer because other kids are hungry? How about all the kids in third world countries going hungry. A family making 5K a year is rich to them. Think the poor in this country should pony up money to the real needy of the world?

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

28. Well, somebody's bitter...

:eyes:

[Tellurian]

38. What do you care how much they're paying her..

It's none of your business.

This thread is about Chelsea NOT you!

Walter, get the hook out!

[Dorian Gray]

65. Wow. Such hatred

for a young woman, who, despite her priviledge, actually worked quite hard in her life to achieve what she has. Sorry she' isn't suffering enough to please some people. :eyes:

[mondo joe]

70. What an inane response. She's had an excellent education, she's

very smart. What about that disqualifies her for this job?

[mentalsolstice]

82. Just what would you suggest she do?

Should Chelsea have just stayed home since leaving the WH? Sure she got into a good school...however, she made good grades and became a Rhodes scholar. Yes, she had an advantage growing up in the WH, that no other child has. Her time there exposed her early in life to experiences that most of us can only dream about...such as learning how to conduct herself in front of world leaders and the global scene. That is why she is an asset to any firm that can grab her. The Bush twins on the other hand did not grow up in the WH, as they were already off to college when monkeyboy went to DC. Perhaps that is why Chelsea seems to carry herself with much more grace and has had more advantages, in addition to not being a total fuck-up as the Bush twinkies seem to be. And for that she deserves a lot of credit, even if you disparage her because she's corporate. If that is the kind of work she wants to do, then she should do it...she doesn't owe anything to you or I to not do so.

As for the question about why these 3 girls aren't in Iraq...Can you imagine what a security risk that would be for them and those serving close to them? We may as well pin bulls eyes to their backs, and to everyone in their unit, before they even leave American soil.

[newportdadde]

86. Maybe Chelsea isn't afraid of hard work?

I remember your thread awhile back quiting that job after just one day... That paralegal job, I'm not sure but I thought you even said your father helped you out to get you that job.

What I do remember is the whining after ONE DAY on the job about the lighting, the omg no lunch till 1:30 and the lack of vacation time... Talking about vacation time after one day on the job give me a break.

I make a good salary but it took me 8 years to get there, 5 years to get more then 10 days a year off. I've had TWO one hour lunches offsite for the entire year. I take 15-30min for lunch with leftovers from home and work while I eat(unpaid overtime). When you start your at the bottom you have to work your way up.

Complaining about entitlement.. pot meet kettle. Maybe Chelsea works as hard as farther did hmmm?

[Bridget Burke]

95. Yup, you truly sound accomplished.

With your intelligence & attitude, only some unfair fate has kept you from success....

[Marie26]

148. OMG, StellaBlue was tombstoned?

Wow, sorry. The oligarchs win one - this wouldn't have happened if she had the Clintons' connections. To the recently departed: You CAN do anything she can do, truly, but you just have to work harder, and be smarter, than the people who start out life w/privilege & wealth. It's often a question of having the attitude & total drive to accomplish a goal. As Americans, we've all started out w/advantages of education & opportunity that most people in the world do not have. It's up to us what we choose to do w/that opportunity, and that choice is different for each person. (Are you sure you would really want Chelsea's job? It's 100+ hour work weeks, boring financial equity work, snooty investors & constant stress. No thanks.)

[MadHound]

20. How very sad. She has the money and talent to do a lot of good,

Yet instead she decides to rip off people for a hefty salary at a hedge fund group. Makes one wonder about her priorities. Then again, since her father's biggest backers in his elections were the financial sector, perhaps I needn't wonder at all.

[StellaBlue]

44. That's my point.

It's sickening. :puke:

[genie_weenie]

21. Hi my name is...

Clinton.

Would you like to give me the Aristocratic dues which come with my elevated station? Or are you one of those people that thinks America is a meritocracy? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

You fools, Horatio Alger stories and the lottery are used to keep you knuckle-dragging miscreants waiting for your dreams to happen.

We in the priviledged class realize you must use the Government to advance yourself whilst keeping certain peoples down...

[Tellurian]

40. hahaha...the cry baby section has come to post..

Well apparently YOUR dreams came true..

You found the DU and your privileges are
uniformly the same as everyone here.

Sad, ay..you have to use sarcasm to vent and
spew your sadistic bile all over this board.

Self-employment is your gig.. but of course
you've already figured that out by now!

[genie_weenie]

57. Waah Waah Waah

Your personal attacks show true courage and character.

I am glad your post has been made.

By your talents and merits you shall rise up and lead this nation to greatness.

[Tellurian]

72. Geenie Weenie..please call Stella back,,

she was causticly sardonic while "dishing it out" but ultimately thin skinned when it came to
"taking it"- Please call her back, if she becomes too testy, theres always- the ignore feature
as her final resting place.

[ShortnFiery]

127. No, you folks seemingly love families of privilege as long as

they are a "Democratic" family. You would be all over the daughter of a Republican Senator who started off with a six figure salary.

IMO, you are so blinded by your partisanship that you don't realize the excesses of power and wealth of families whose representatives have a "D" after their name. :shrug:

[genie_weenie]

133. I shall not hear you.

Is the response you can expect. It's like Galileo asking the church to look through the telescope.

[Marie26]

139. There are plenty of people

who start out w/six-figure salaries, regardless of their family background. Especially people w/a B.A. from Stanford & a master's degree from Oxford. Family privilege can help w/obtaining the education, but it's the education that gets the job.

[ShortnFiery]

149. Do you honestly believe that? If so, I've got some land to sell you ;)

Hey, it's fine if you choose to believe what you posted above, but I don't think it to be close to the truth.

I'd admire Chelsea if she would pursue the Peace Corps or have initially enrolled into one of the military academies.

Right now, the only CHILD of royalty who I respect, Brit or American, is Prince Harry. Personally I view him as every bit as intelligent and pretty as Chelsea but he chooses to SERVE his Country. Kudos to Prince Harry. Boo for all the Ruling Class kiddie slackers. :P <tongue in cheek>

Sorry, I can't get all excited about Chelsea's choice for her first employment. However, being human, part of me wishes that I were her. I feel guilty about my moments of envy and selfishness, but at times, it's true. :blush:

[Marie26]

150. Usually

Well, I choose to believe it. There's no question that wealthy kids get jobs & opportunities that other people do not. But there's also no question that many people at top jobs did not have that family background - and education is what levels the playing field. It's harder for people who don't start out w/those big-shot connections, but it can be done. I don't really admire Chelsea for choosing this career, I just think she should be able to do what she wants w/her life w/o having criticism & scrutiny.The lifestyle might be glamorous, but I don't envy her job - spending your life at a financial hedge fund? I can't imagine a more boring, stressful career. But it's her choice, and it's her life. She doesn't have to cater to the expectations of strangers & DU posters.

[ShortnFiery]

151. Well Put Marie. :-)

As long as Chelsea stays out of politics, I wish her the best that life has to offer. :thumbsup:

[July]

46. Right.

Bill Clinton is a self-made man, coming from a very modest background and achieving a great deal by his own merit. Hillary was also accomplished in her own right when she met and married Bill and was a highly-rated lawyer before he won the presidency. Neither came from generations of wealth and privilege (see Bush, George W.).

Yes, their daughter was born into (relative) wealth (compare w/Bush or Cheney)and fame, and that was something out of her control. She's been working since finishing her education, unlike Barbara (a few weeks in South Africa supposedly helping child AIDS victims) and Jenna (worked as a teacher's aide for a little while, last seen in Paraguay) Bush. So far, she's been a credit to her parents, unlike the aforementioned twins. Not sure how Chelsea Clinton has "used" the government to advance herself, etc.

[genie_weenie]

60. Being Bush into the argument is a false redirect.

I'm sure the Bush twins are going to get some awesome jobs in the next year or so.

But, to ignore the fact that politicians use their office to advance themselves, their cronies and their families is to be blind to history.

[July]

68. Or . . . "being" Bush into the argument provides an accurate example

of what you're talking about.

The Bush twins may get some awesome jobs through their connections "in the next year or so." That would mean they'll have been 3 or 4 years out of college doing little but partying. Those are the types of privileged offspring you should be pissed about.

I'm well aware of all the connected relatives who get jobs from politicians, so don't assume I'm ignoring any facts. I'm calling you on the claim that Chelsea Clinton, whose parents made their own success in one generation, deserves to be pounded as an "aristocrat." She can't undo the fact that her parents are well-known, but, unlike the Bush twins, she seems to take her own life seriously.

[genie_weenie]

73. As you pointed out Chelsea's PARENTS made

themselves. It's my opinion that many who have posted on this thread are willing to turn a blind eye to this because it's President & Senator Clinton's daughter.

But, maybe I'm incorrect, but the responses have been personal attacks (not from you) on how jealous or stupid those who sarcastically question this hiring of Chelsea.

And the "being" Bush was obviously a typo; Bringing.

[mondo joe]

74. To my knowledge, Chelsea's had an excellent education and did very well

in it.

She sounds qualified for a lot to me.

[fujiyama]

55. How do you know she's not qualified

for the job she got?

[genie_weenie]

58. Of course she's qualified her last name's Clinton.

But, I'm sure that had nothing to do with her hiring.

[fujiyama]

61. Of course it did

She's a former president's and a senator's daughter. No one is naive that family connections help get people jobs.

But she may end up being well enough qualified and will have to prove herself regardless.

[genie_weenie]

75. I suggest several on this thread are naive enough

and have flatly stated the CLINTON name was not a major contributing factor to her hiring.

I hope she does a great job, but the defense of privilege is astounding.

[fujiyama]

77. Agreed

I'm not defending "the system", but I've seen it first hand. It's tough to get a job out there without the right contacts and connections (even something as simple as having someone forward a resume helps).

Either way, I hold no animosity towards her (or for that matter Bush's girls either). I just don't find them terribly relevant. I prefer attacking the candidates' policies, unless they are vocal defenders of their parents/spouses or vicious attack dogs (like Lynn or Mary Cheney). In that case, they deserve all the ridicule and contempt they receive.

[fujiyama]

56. I don't get the bitterness

I suppose everyone working in the financial industry is evil and I suppose it's evil to take advantage of parents' connections as well, even if you have an impressive background and resume in your own right.

And this vitriol towards her regarding her mother's war vote is laughable. Chelea is a grown adult. Is it not possible she even disagrees with her mother on that?

I remember during the '04 election I read how McCain's daughter was pissed at her dad for supporting Bush. Often times politicians' kids don't completely agree with their parents' beliefs.

[upi402]

81. it's as common as familial lineage of wealth I guess

Bill Clinton kicked workers in the teeth with NAFTA and poor folks in the gut with welfare reform, and handed the neocons their propaganda organ media with the Telecommunications Act. Now Hillary is acting like a DINO on steroids. So it is human nature to see this as just falling in line at the trough for their progeny.

[fujiyama]

89. All those policies

were not good....

But how is that Chelsea's fault? I'll never figure this sort of bizarre hatred of political figures' families, unless they actively campaign for their parents or act as an attack dog (like Cheney's daughter and wife).

[Marie26]

142. She's not running for office.

Who cares what she does for a living? Why is it any of our business to approve or disapprove?

[Nikia]

78. Well, she already did have consulting experience

At a major firm. It makes getting one's second job easier.
While nepotism might have played a role, she already was an accomplished person academically when she got her first consulting job.
I can think of a couple people in college who got similiar high paying jobs right out of college who just barely graduated. Some of them didn't even try because they knew that there was a job waiting as soon as they got their degree.
Yes, I am a person who feels that I wasn't given a good enough chance at a good position because I didn't have connections even though I did everything I thought that I was supposed to do. I sympathize with such people. I do know a person who did overcome that big time, starting his own successful business to successfully compete with the company who told him that he could not become management track there. I don't think that I am really the type to start my own business though even if I did win the lottery or something. For now, I'll learn as much as I can and perhaps someday I can make a good salary at it if I can keep my anxiety/depression/eating disorder under control. I do acknowledge though that these problems may have kept me from getting better jobs.

[Redstone]

80. She's a late bloomer. An attractive young woman, indeed.

Redstone

[DemocratSinceBirth]

91. I Guess She Should Have Got A Job At PIRG

Or cultivated a multi million dollar investment portfolio while presenting herself to the rest of us as a crusading consumer rights advocate...

[Cameron27]

98. Chelsea Clinton owes us nothing

She was very young when the repukes attacked her LOOKS for godsakes, she's never run for office, her life is her own and I wish her well.

[Marie26]

103. Good for her.

I wish she'd give an interview sometime - most people haven't even heard her speak before.

[etherealtruth]

130. Well, by the tone of this thread poor Chelsea's never going to please ...

... everyone regardless of what she does.

She is smart, she seems to be hard working. She has been bitterly attacked since she was a kid.

Whatever Chelsea does I hope it pleases HER.

[ShortnFiery]

137. There's nothing *poor* about Chelsea Clinton (lame drum roll) ...

Don't worry, her money, family name and accumulated networking with others may make her and her family Dynasty, some of the most POLITICALLY influential people in the World. :shrug:

[etherealtruth]

152. Because that's all there is to life huh?

She has the right to live her life as she see's fit. I have no doubt that there have been perks/benefits for being a Clinton and there have been drawbacks. We don't know where life will lead her and what she will do with it.

I don't need strangers deciding whether I've lived my life as they would like and I'm not going to decide how an other private citizen needs to live hers.

[ShortnFiery]

155. When the Draft hits ... and it will

perhaps a DUer here who holds Chelsea in such high esteem will volunteer to take her place in Iraq?

My older brother's best buddy in Vietnam took George W. Bush's place in combat.
My older brother's best buddy was KIA and left Vietnam in a body bag.

In other words, perhaps the tone of such threads as this will change once The Draft is fully implemented? :(

[etherealtruth]

156. As many have pointed out to you ...

Your judgments of her are NOT based on her as an individual ... it appears that you are willing to be judged by the actions and opinions of those you are related to and not on your own merits.

i hope my tone doesn't change ... I would hate to think that I would judge people on the actions of other's and not on themselves.

[ShortnFiery]

157. You still don't get it. When OUR country has a draft, children

of privilege should get no slack. They never considered my brother or cousins "as individuals" when they drafted them.

If there were justice in this world, the children of the warmongers, like Chelsea, would be patrolling Baghdad with the MPs.

I doubt that you had loved ones die in The Vietnam War or else you'd realize that when The Ruling Classe's children have to go kill and die, the wars END.

That's my point: Her individuality doesn't mean squat when there's a draft and equally intelligent and "too pretty to fight" women (one recently 2nd in her West Point Class) who die. If the ruling classes of Democrats and Republicans want to extend this senseless occupation, make them send their children or get our beloved troops out of that hell hole. :grr:

When the draft hits, this *individuality* excuse won't fly.

[etherealtruth]

158. I'm focussing on an election ...

not personal resentments toward any private citizen.

Hopefully we can all celebrate tonight.

[ShortnFiery]

159. You are off topic for this thread.

My resentments are NOT personal but for the Ruling Classes who consider it "sport" to send us "chattering class" people such as members of my immediate family out to fight and die for THEIR WEALTH.

That's not personal, that's real world. It's pathetic that many Working Americans choose to laud many within the Ruling Classes because they don't give a damn about you or your loved ones. All the warmongering politicians, whether they have a D or an R behind their names - these ghouls could care less about the lives of the troops.

BTW since I worked the polls for over three hours today, I submit that we are equally dedicated to having Democrats elected this election cycle. I love Democrats ... all but The Warmongers. ;)

[Generator]

138. I'm so proud

She'll be helping fund those poor underprivileged hedges. They need all the help they can get. Hey, aren't they endangered?

[mdmc]

153. ha

nice!