Do you think bush will be impeached?

[southernleftylady]

Yeah we all know that he SHOULD but do you think he WILL?

[xchrom]

1. not really.

[Hapameli]

2. Yeppers... Karma, baby!

We've reached a critical mass... we control them. Don't doubt it and they won't either.

[lvx35]

8. Right on!

That's we need more of around here, some positive attitude and FAITH! :yourock:

[Hapameli]

24. The revolution is within... without war, there is no peace... yin and yang

We each need to find peace within ourselves, so that we can project it to the world. Enough of us have done this, we've already won the battle and we did it all ourselves. Now we just have to keep possesion of the reality (see Suskind's "we're an empire now and we create our own reality")... meaning the next staged attack, all of us should be screaming at the top of our lungs who did it!

[lvx35]

69. So right on.

Well said, again. I think that place of peace within is so important. I agree that the real fight at this point seems to be to define reality. Our nightmares will exist as long as we cannot visualize a place beyond them clearly enough to see the blueprints from here to there. Once our minds are permeated with the blueprints, the truth, then our words and actions will also be, and the world can have a way out of the insanity.

[liberal N proud]

3. Not until we have changed Congress

I don't think the repukes would ever prosecute one of their own, no matter how offensive the charge.
We can only keep the issue alive until the Democrats have regained power.

[Ready4Change]

41. Impeached by Spring to AVOID a change in Congress.

I think the Republicans in Congress and the Senate know they are in gobs of trouble. Delay and Frist are both hip deep in personal investigations, and all the rest are under scrutiny for potential connections to the Abramahoff scandal. They've shattered the illusion that Republicans can control the budget by passing the largest deficits in history, while at the same time sending a big old F.U. message to their constitutents by cutting funding to all manner of social programs in order to pay for tax cuts for the richest 5%.

They are looking at a major, watermark defeat in 2006.

And Bush makes all of that worse. He is now so unpopular he is a negative effect on their own campaigns. They'd be better off if he would announce his support of Democratic challengers. A recent MSNBC poll, which had over 150,000 respondents last I checked, indicated that over 85% of Americans think that Bush should be impeached RIGHT NOW. And Iraq, and Terrorism, and Bush's own stupidity, are not going to vanish overnight.

I think Republicans are going to see that, by Impeaching Bush themselves at the start of the campaign season, they can snatch the headlines away from all their own scandals, and focus all of the Blame on Bush. They can posture as reluctant but dutiful conveyers of the Peoples Will, sacrificing their political partisan ship for the needs of the nation, yada, yada.

I think Bush will be impeached by Spring. I think the move will save the Republicans from losing control of one if not both Houses. I think Cheney will step down prior to the impeachment "for health reasons" (actually, to get himself and his own legal problems out of the headlines) and Bush will be ordered to nominate a more moderate Republican as VP, who will then step up as President when Bush is dragged kicking and screaming from the Oval Office.

That Moderate will, as President, do as much purely safe, political stroking of an enraged populace as he can manage, in order to boost his parties image for the 2006 elections. But, unless he is outstanding in office, or gets several outright miracles, he is likely toast come 2008. Our nation has become too screwed up by this administration for an encumbent President to stand any chance in 2008.

That's my .02.

[wixomblues]

42. The repubs are not even close to panicking.

And no, no, no, they will not impeach their own. And no, no, no, no, no, Bush will not be impeached, because it is unlikely that there will be a super majority.

Besides, Bush hit a low in the polls too soon. Americans are fickle, and won't be upset come next November, not to the degree they are now. Besides, I don't think there are even enough seats in the Senate up in that election to cause the shift needed. I could be wrong.

However, if Bush is "impeached", it will be much like Clintons in form(but not substance), in that it will go nowhere, and make Bush more popular with the people. Not the people here, but elsewhere.

It will be interesting to watch, and maybe he will go down. However, regardless of any impeachment, I think we have a great shot at the WH in 08, and that's what I'm focusing on.

[Ready4Change]

60. We'll see.

I've voiced this since the Bush/NSA story was leaked, and I'll continue until either May or until Bush is impeached. So far I've mostly gotten responses, like yours, saying no way will Republicans impeach one of their own, or responses saying, in effect, wouldn't that be nice.

We'll see.

[wixomblues]

68. Cool.

The world would be boring if we always agreed. Hope you're right.

[lavenderdiva]

63. I am impressed with your take on things...

I had not thought of this scenario, but it could definitely have 'legs' as it were. It seems a likely course of events, given that I believe the GOP wants to maintain control of EVERYTHING at all costs...

[Ready4Change]

67. As I said above, we'll see.

From day one of this administration I've thought Bush was a figurehead, and that if things went bad he'd be set up to take the blame. Several times over the last few years I thought their jig was up. But they didn't yank away Bush's supports.

In my mind, the Bush/NSA leak was the sound of those supports being pulled out.

I'll stand with my statement, and we'll know by May if I'm wrong, or maybe sooner if I'm right.

[mrcheerful]

4. At best he will end up resigning just like Nixon did.

Remember Nixon didn't want to resign either, but when faced with impeachment and possible criminal charges, he followed the advice of his handlers and quit for the good of the repigican party. Thats why Ford pardoned him, it was the deal Nixon made with the powers that were.

[Silverhair]

37. Remember, Nixon faced a DEMOCRATIC congress.

Bush has a Repub congress. Don't you think that might make a difference?

[EFerrari]

45. But he was fired by the Republican leadership

who wanted to contain damage to their party and who wanted to hold onto their seats. If anything, the Republicans today are much more image conscious than the leadership in 1974.

[lvx35]

5. Bush's power is now extra-legal

Things like control of media venues, intelligence groups acting outside of judicial supervision, para-miliatary right ringers and thugs. His dirty tendrils have reached deep and it will take a lot to dislodge his power structure.

edit: but I do have faith that we can do it!

[terrya]

6. Nope.

He'll leave office on January 20th, 2009.

Even with a Democratic Congress, he still won't be impeached.

[acmavm]

7. Agree (sadly) n/t

[bowens43]

9. No.

[PDittie]

10. No.

As with Nixon, if his own party's tide turned against him, he would be forced out. But * is a stubborn bastard who lives in a bubbl -- errr, is detached from reality, so it's at least possible he would refuse to do so.

Impeachment odds are remote even if we take back the House and the Senate. He probably helps the Democratic cause more, however, by refusing to take the hint (as with Tom DeLay).

[LaurenG]

11. I do

I think he will be.

[PDittie]

21. Yo, OB!

:hi:

How y'all doin'? Didja have a good Christmas? A White Christmas? It got into the '70s here in Deep-In-The-Hearta. As a matter of fact I'm running the A/C at this very moment.

(Enjoyed your thread where you described the hub's co-workers. Y'all have your work cut out for you, for sure.)

[LaurenG]

31. Doing well

Not a white Christmas but a wet Christmas. I hope yours was good.

We in Cincy are in for a battle but gw has given many in this state reason to vote against anything republican. Now if we can just get the voting mess under control- you know count the votes the way they were cast rather than the way the cabal would like them.:hi:

[mopaul]

12. probably not, the apathy flu is rampant.....n/t

[ClassWarrior]

13. Keep hope alive.

And work for Dem Victory 2006.

Never Give Up.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

14. Not as long as Republicans have a majority

I think that the best we can hope for is extreme lame duck status. I posted an article on DU yesterday in which Trent Duffy spouted off about the "great things" Bush is planning to accomplish in 2006, but the same article said that Social Security and his horrendous "Fair and Simple" Tax overhaul are off the agenda.

Short term, he wants to make his tax cuts for the wealthy permanent, and wants Scalito on the SCOTUS.

Success will be measured in his lack of accomplishments, not an impeachment that ain't a-gonna happen.

[terrya]

23. I agree with you.

You're right...extreme lame duck status is the best we can hope for. His agenda dead in the water...yes, Social Security and the tax overhaul just ain't gonna happen. Both are politically dead.

In lieu of an impeachment that won't happen, I can live with that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

15. No. It's too "risky" for the Dems to pursue.

[MadisonProgressive]

16. It's muchless unbelievable to me than the fact

that this country has gone where I'd never imagined in less than 5 years.

Keep hope alive!

[kentuck]

17. I do not see how...

realistically...

[Chomp]

18. No

[Kahuna]

19. No. The repukes will never do it. I'm sure they are taking numerous

meetings to plot out a deal where they can get bushco to promise to stop it's illegal activity, and all will be forgiven. Take THAT to the bank.

[Raster]

20. YES!!! 2006 is the key and here's how we do it:

1. force EVERY sitting congress-critter up for reelection to publicly identify how they would vote on articles of impeachment. We must pay VERY SPECIAL attention to those rethuglicans that were a part of the Clinton impeachment farce. We must have their words and commentary in front of the media as much as possible. Every little sanctimonious crack they made about lying, about breaking the law or about presidents stepping outside of their lawful boundaries should be force fed to the media at every juncture. In particular, the hypocritical ramblings of bugman delay should be shoved down America's throat. Everyone in America needs to be forced to realize that one of the main proponents of bringing down a president for lying about a consensual sexual act would willfully shred the Constitution to keep his greedy cronies wallowing at the public trough. And we need to make mainstream America understand that this is far worse than just a few rotten apples.
   
   
2. force EVERY potential congress-critter to publicly proclaim how they would stand on voting for articles of impeachment. If we have a potential congress critter that won't identify or identifies as bush* is OK, we target all resources possible to prevent their election.
   
   
3. we saturate the media with evidence of the media's past complicity in the Clinton sham and highlight their current collaboration with bushco*. The illegal boy-king would have never made it this far without the aid of the MSM. They must be made to feel the pain. We must expose them for what they are: tools and collaborators. Eventually something will make it through the white noise.

[acmejack]

22. No, nein, nada.

But if I had three wishes, that's what the first one would be...

[madokie]

25. You bet if he don't take the cowards way out first

shit

[onenote]

26. no

[MADem]

27. It could happen

It would take some critical mass from the moderate arm of the GOP to make it so, though.

[CTyankee]

28. Maybe. We should try if we get Congress back

Who knows, maybe he'll really screw the pooch and it'll bring down Cheney with him. Then, with our Dem Congress, Nancy Pelosi will become our first woman president! I like to dream!

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. Yes. The moderate GOPers in Congress are starting to wake up.....

...and see Herr Busch and the NeoCons for what they really are. They will join with the Democrats to impeach Herr Busch.

[personman]

30. No.

The republicans in power have shown me no reason whatsoever to expect truth or justice from them, and given me every reason to believe they are actively working to subvert it.

[ClassWarrior]

32. Either Progressive hope is vastly overrated, too many of us have...

...drunk the RW koolaid, or there are an awful lot of trolls on this thread.

NGU.

[Silverhair]

36. Many of us are realists.

Wishful thinking is not analysis. Please count the numbers of Repub in both Houses, learn how the impeachment process works, and the tell me how it can happen without MAJOR help from the Repubs. Now do you honestly think - that is THINK, not wish - that we will get such help from the Repubs against their own POTUS?

[ClassWarrior]

38. There's ALWAYS hope... We just need the imagination and the cajones...

...to take advantage of it. Or we can hide behind rationalizations like "realist."

NGU.

[Silverhair]

43. Check back with me on Jan 20, 2009. NT

[ClassWarrior]

47. So you're giving up till then?

That's okay. There are plenty of good, strong people here who are willing to pick up your slack.

NGU.

[Telly Savalas]

51. Bush is just one man.

I'm one of the many here who think it's unlikely that Bush will impeached. (I'll concede that much stranger things have happened.) However I'm supremely optimistic that our nation can be turned around and put in the right direction again.

If the progressive movement plays its cards right, then it's entirely possible that over the course of the next decade or two the American people and its leaders will become receptive to a foreign policy based on the advancement of human rights and peace, environmental and energy policy aimed at sustaining our planet, social policy geared towards protecting the civil rights of all, and an economic policy built upon a Second New Deal, the cornerstone of which being a single-payer universal health care system.

This is a long-term strategy though, and its success is entirely independent of whether Bush finishes his term or if he's replaced by a Gerald Ford v. 2.0. Bush is just one guy. Our obstacle is a conservative movement with millions of members.

Edit: remove the apostrophe from a possessive 'its'

[Silverhair]

53. You have good vision. I salute you. NT

[Silverhair]

52. On impeachment - Yes. On other things - No.

I see no value in butting my head against a brick wall.

[mattomjoe]

33. If the rabbit hole on this spying story keeps getting deeper

I think Republicans might have no choice but to start getting on board the impeachment wagon -- to save their own asses, if nothing else.

[Silverhair]

34. A Repub congress impeach a Repub POTUS ?? Naaah. NT

[BushOut06]

35. It's not enough to get the repugs out

We have to get the chickenshit Dems out of office also. The ones who don't want to "rock the boat" so to speak. If there is a progressive Dem running against a "conservative" Dem, vote for the progressive.

[Walt Starr]

39. Yep

I sure do.

I figure the Abramoff scandal will result in multiple indictments of GOP Congresscritters which will hand over the House to the democrats and Pelosi will be Speaker.

That will occur within three months and then impeachemtn will happen within another three months, so by the end of July, Bush's toast will be cooked.

[Twist_U_Up]

40. need to impeach Diebold first n/t

[Rocknrule]

44. If only he became a Democrat

he would be impeached in a heartbeat

[OneBlueSky]

46. not only won't he be impeached, he won't even leave office . . .

in 2008 . . . "national emergency," don'tcha know . . .

[yourout]

48. If we win the house in 06 then maybe.

Although I worry about Lieberman and a couple of other DINOS.

[DemonFighterLives]

49. As much as I would love to see him shamed and sent to the Hague

I really doubt impeachment will happen or his war crimes trial.
The best we can hope for is enough real Americans waking up to the corruption and evil doings of this administration. Something has to crack and big.
Kenny Boy is getting close to his due. This is dubby's little friend who he claimed he didn't know. Between Plamegate, Abramoffgate and spygate, a few thugs are going to fall. Let's hope the thug coattails drag down the whole crew.

[Javaman]

50. Yes, if we get back the Senate and or the House n/t

[Bridget Burke]

54. Perhaps not. But we should keep discussing it....

Just to get "the I word" out there.

I'm sure some folks find even the possibility quite annoying. Let's annoy them!

[Solly Mack]

55. No

[jim3775]

56. Before the '06 election? Absolutley not

If the dems win a majority in '06, start hearings and they grow some balls then there is a chance he could.

[carolinalady]

57. One of the things that troubles me is how they are purposely

misinforming the public regarding Shrub's "authority" to do what he has done. When you read the letter his AG sent to select members of Congress, on the surface a person could say ok, I get it. Once you really disect it, however, the letter is filled with false information including citing case law that predate FISA. We Dems need to do a better job of simplifying the issue for John Q Public or I doubt sentiment will be overwhelming enough to force enough Repukes to consider impeachment. I think a timely ad campaign would be beneficial right now.
On the other hand, it could happen if:
1. We retake the house in 2006. (or)
2. The Repuclican members of the house are significantly frightened about further abuses of presidential power, and decide enough is enough.

[Nutmegger]

58. This guy is going down

Especially what happened with the wiretapping. It won't happen under a Repuke Congress though; impeachment will happen once we get our Dems into office.

[WI_DEM]

59. only if dems win congress and then it's even 50-50 or less

[leftofthedial]

61. no chance

he's royalty

[Independent_Liberal]

62. Yes, he will. DO NOT, I REPEAT, DO NOT LISTEN TO THE NAYSAYERS!

They have nothing better to do but bring everybody down.

[Independent_Liberal]

64. And one more thing...

When it happens, I am going to have so much fun ramming it down the throats of everyone above who kept saying, "No, it will never happen." Look out, I'm coming your way! :)

[paparush]

65. How the f#ck are we going to impeach Bush**???

We haven't even gotten the notes from Cheney's Energy Policy Meetings from YEARS ago. These guys are the master stonewallers, liars, manipulators, trash slingers, etc..

[Ex Lion Tamer]

66. Nope.

I'd like to be proved wrong, but I doubt that will happen.

[Vektor]

70. Nope. The Repukes control the media. Therefore, they control everything.

He can do just about anything he wants. It won't get reported.

[Speed8098]

71. No

And I don't want impeachment. I want criminal charges against the whole damn administration.

Impeachment only leads us to the next idiot in line. It's bad enough with this idiot in charge, imagine one of the idiots he surrounds himself with, being the head idiot, surrounding himself with more idiots.

It would just be one idiot leaving only to be replaced by another idiot and so on and so on....