KERRY: "I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece"

[kpete]

October 31, 2006

Statement of John Kerry Responding to Republican Distortions, Pathetic Tony Snow Diversions and Distractions

Washington – Senator John Kerry issued the following statement in response to White House Press Secretary Tony Snow, assorted right wing nut-jobs, and right wing talk show hosts desperately distorting Kerry’s comments about President Bush to divert attention from their disastrous record:

“If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy. This is the classic G.O.P. playbook. I’m sick and tired of these despicable Republican attacks that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war, but love to attack those who did.

I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have.

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it. These Republicans are afraid to debate veterans who live and breathe the concerns of our troops, not the empty slogans of an Administration that sent our brave troops to war without body armor.

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men. And this time it won’t work because we’re going to stay in their face with the truth and deny them even a sliver of light for their distortions. No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.”

http://www.johnkerry.com/news/releases/release.html?id=33

[seabeyond]

1. kick ass kerry.........doesnt get any better than this. he IS

da man

thanks kerry

[wordpix]

222. bwahaha, stuffed suit Snowjob---Kerry will never again be SWIFTBOATED!

:applause:

[porphyrian]

2. HA! - n/t

[babylonsister]

3. Senator Kerry, don't let them get away with anything! You're

hitting back hard and doing great!

[Dr Fate]

4. Say it on TV John- your supporters/donors already know you are tough.

Come on John- we love the tough internet text- now you need to say this stuff to Wolf Blitzer's suprised, gasping face so that everyone can hear it.

Say THIS paragraph on TV and we will really have something:


"I’m not going to be lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium, or doughy Rush Limbaugh, who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq. It disgusts me that these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have."

[TayTay]

14. AP picked it up Dr. Fate

And John McCain and Jack Abramoff's good friend, John Boehner, have now asked for Kerry to apologize.

Hey, might be a 3 hour shitstorm or more. Media loves that. It might actually get covered. :woohoo:

[Dr Fate]

19. Okay- I take it back for now- They took the bait!!!!

Thanks for correcting me with the current info!!!

Republicans with media access demanding apologies is just the way to get this into the echo chamber-it may work.

[TayTay]

22. He's the link Doc

Fresh up and still dripping ink.

http://www.examiner.com/a-371770~White_House_Spokesman_Slams_Kerry_Remark.html

[Dr Fate]

34. Thanks- you have to get REPUBLICANS talking about it.

One way for DEMS to get media exposure is to "fool" the media & Republicans into repeating your "outrageous" statements for you.

Either the strategists finally figured this out or it happened by accident- either way, good stuff!!!

I'd like to see Kerry follow up on an interview show.

[blm]

54. I predict BushInc will end up regretting they blew this up.

.

[dchill]

58. Yup. n/t

[aquart]

155. They keep giving us the news cycle.

[wordpix]

226. LOL, Tweety saying that he agrees with Kerry--* had no any sense of history &

ended up in the Iraq quagmire because he didn't bother getting educated about the enemy.

Finally Tweety is sounding like a reporter instead of a Bushco stooge.

[LiberalFighter]

303. Regret??? I didn't know that they care

[Rageneau]

257. I've been saying this for years -- the way to make the media cover us right ...

is to get so into the face of the rethugs that they HAVE to respond. By responding, they get Dem talking points into the MSM that otherwise would have been ignored. We must learn to ju-jitsu the media into telling the truth despite its intention to tell only one side -- the lying one.

[SammyWinstonJack]

71. So Kerry made the statement on purpose knowing it would piss off

the repugs, so he could respond and showcase their lies and miserable policy failures, or something like that? And they fell for it, hook, line and sinker. :rofl: Pure genius!

[blm]

78. I don't know - but he's SEIZING the day.

.

[SouthernBelle82]

85. Could be

Or perhaps he really is pissed off. I love a pissed off Kerry because he's so passionate when he's pissed off.

[Divine Discontent]

293. I agree..

Kerry ticked off is the best Kerry gets... I'm not for being pissed, but when it's righteously done, it's powerful. And Kerry has EVERY SINGLE DAMN RIGHT to tell them they never served and that THEY owe the apology....

Of course, this will drum up the repub idiot base, but that's okay, we knew they'd use whatever they could to smear something to get the elderly church goers flustered, so it's going to be a combo of gay marriage and Kerry "troop mocking".

bye bye repub control!


www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[Dr Fate]

94. I cant prove that- but it has been suggested as a strategic method before.

You cant refute the fact that one way to get your talking points into the echo chamber is to get people who have better media access (AKA the GOP) to repeat your charges.

If kerry does not know that "hot" statements get attacked as "outrageous" by the media (and therefore get repeated), then he knows now.

Kerry did it once before when he (accidently?) called Republicans "liars" and "crooks" when his mic was supposed to be off.

If you recall-The media then repeated his "outrageous" comments over and over. The only problem that time is he failed to follow uop by continuing to provide examples of those lies & crimes he was refring to.

This "trick"-(if it is indeed a trick)- only works if you follow up. I hope Kerry will.

[karynnj]

150. No - it was mangled - he left out the word "us"

[malaise]

261. Best omission

in history. Go Kerry!

[SammyWinstonJack]

307. !!

:evilgrin:

[Zodiak]

182. I agree...I think the pukes were baited

It is hard to imagine after so many years of THEM tricking US, but I sincerely think that Kerry was ready for this.

And now the debate shifts right back to Iraq. That favors us by a mile.

So keep squawking, pukes, because this time Americans have had it with your whiny, lying asses.

[sui generis]

52. in complete agreement /nt

[Cleita]

5. Glad to see that Kerry is going into attack mode lately.

The targets more than deserve it after their purple band-aid stunt at the GOP convention.

[twaddler01]

184. Wish he would have done this earlier...

but he just went off on them didn't he? LOL!

[sui generis]

6. well it's about damn time

where was all this fire two years ago? I sure hope it only gets hotter from here.

I like this version of Kerry.

[seabeyond]

13. oh bullshit. you say this everytime kerry has spoken out the last two years

its about time. it is ABOUT TIME, you quit the its about time, wink

[glitch]

82. I can't even count how many times "It's about time!" has been posted about Kerry

and Gore. Been seeing it for YEARS.

[Maven]

129. Nonsense.

I'll agree Kerry has been "strong," but he's never fought back with such no-nonsense talk before. He's never cut them down to size like this.

I like this new version of him too.

[connecticut yankee]

256. Because

he rolled over like a wimp in 2004.

[nedbal]

280. 2nd that - he did roll over like a wimp in 2004 - it will take a lot more of ..........

statements like this to even think of supporting him again

my choices at this time are:
Gore
Wes Clark
Dean

in that order for 2008

[fla nocount]

327. Reverse the order.........

and I'll buy in. Gore is the least of the manly men on your list and the most heavily brokered. Clark is a military man and we all know what Ike had to say about DEM guys. Dean has no protuberences hanging about him and thus nothing to pull on for leverage not to mention that very fact speaks for his superior intelligence. He's a pissed off citizen (like me) with a plan (unlike me) to change things that simply piss him off; sort of a Paul Wellstone with no sense of diplomacy.

I like Mr. Howard for his brashness and utter lack of duplicity. If he wants to scream I'll join in harmony..........it's time to howl at the moon as a chorus

[Kixel]

38. I agree!

I was thinking the same thing...

[confludemocrat]

274. I agree, F-I-N-A-L-L-Y some combative rhetoric from this guy

now get on TV and do it, press release tough-guy

[kurtyboy]

7. Now THAT is the 'shit'!

Go, Johnny, go!

[durrrty libby]

8. He should be saying these things in front of thousands

of people or on television.

[Downtown Hound]

9. I always knew that inside the restrained Kerry in 2004

was a lion dying to get out. Look out GOP, the lion has escaped!

[C_U_L8R]

10. YEAH ! good rant John !!!!!!!

smack those republicans right in the gut

[Rabrrrrrr]

11. He and Gore both seem to have found their balls AFTER losing elections...

too bad they didn't before. Well, and too bad the elections weren't rigged and tampered with, of course, too.

Anyway...

Damn good of you, Kerry!

I love "Katrina foreign policy"! And that he called Limbaugh "doughy". That's superb!

You rock, Kerry! And I wish you were our president, but alas, you had more votes, and in our post-9-11 world in which everything's changed, that means you lost.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

57. Gore didn't lose. The Supreme Court intervened in the recount.

Just FYI and as a reminder that despite a less than stellar campaign, Gore still won the popular vote and should be sitting in the Oval Office today instead of Dubya McDoofus.

[aquart]

154. Which is why Rehnquist is marinating in Hell right now

prior to being spitted and roasted for the Devil's dinner every night.

[wordpix]

227. Kerry didn't lose, either. A lot of questions about Ohio 2004.

[Zodiak]

187. I think that losing the elections pulled wool from their eyes

We all had blinders on at one point. Those that perform the best in our system are more likely to have faith in it. Both Kerry and Gore should have won by all accounts, and they didn't have to play dirty or hardball to do it. It should have been enough.

But it wasn't, and now these men know what is at stake.

I do not blame either for the past, and I am glad they are with us now.

[Art_from_Ark]

276. Nice post

Both Gore and Kerry are good men, and I would love to have either as a "capital P" President

[RevolutionStartsNow]

12. Well done, John!

Indeed, it's Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld and Rice who owe the soldiers an apology.

[Nite Owl]

15. Go Kerry!

Wish he had done this in '04 but then at least maybe there have been lessons learned. Not time to make nice.

[AlCzervik]

16. this is what we need now and in 2008, balls out and taking no shit.

[Dr Fate]

21. Yup. We have needed it all along. n/t

n/t

[AlCzervik]

23. they also need to legislate the same way imo, vote like you ain't

running for reelection, do the people's business.

[Nite Owl]

36. Amen to that! n/t

[spanone]

17. K & R

[Systematic Chaos]

18. I read this and I almost shake thinking about the possibilities.

THAT is EXACTLY what we need to hear in 2007, and if not from Kerry then for the love of Christ from someone!!

If we're going to win back any semblance of a free society then this is how it needs to be done. I hope this kind of rhetoric is just the opening salvo in a long and brutal assault of TRUTH!

Go John!!! :yourock:

[jhain]

20. Be Still Mty Heart!

Good thing no one posted any photos of him. I have work to do.
I couldn't stand to see that one of him in the pool. Not at all.

[babylonsister]

25. LOL! nt

[54anickel]

24. Did you catch the video of him on This Week With George S?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=667

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

26. On MSRNC just a minute ago, Dead Intern Joe said that McCain

has made a statement regarding Kerry's remarks. Dead Intern Joe said that he thinks Kerry should apologize. Oh, brother!!!!

[aquart]

157. Pro-Torture ex-prisoner McCain made a statement?

What? That he doesn't mind our captured soldiers being tortured now that it's no longer his butt being reamed?

[EconomicsProfessor]

224. McLame

John McLame is not pro torture. He does not believe in getting information from our enemies.

[aquart]

288. Welcome to DU. Lost?

[rodeodance]

255. mcgain show know better

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

272. Exactly

McCain should be demanding an apology from Chimpy about the false rumor of him fathering a black illegetimate child in the 2000 South Carolina Primary. Instead McCain's lips are firmly attached to Bush's ass.

[malaise]

27. On the offensive John Kerry

Great kick ass!! Whip them Dems.

[rumpel]

28. The playbook ordered by the WH gathering of the

right wing bullhorns embedded in the media..

I will vote for him anytime again.

[Ohio Joe]

29. Bravo!

Now that is a statement. Rock on John.

[Kali]

30. SMACK!

And this is printed in full in lots of newspapers, right?

[Orrex]

31. That's pretty darned good, but...

What's a "Katrina foreign policy?"

[blm]

60. A foreign policy that destroys everything it touches.

.

[Orrex]

70. Hmm.

That seems a little, I don't know. Flippant. Not inaccurate, to be sure, but it's an odd turn of phrase.

Still, the overall piece is very good. The point can't be made often enough that Republicans have no business lecturing anyone on morality or courage or patriotism or fiscal responsibility or honesty or integrity etc. etc. etc.

[pacalo]

84. Flippant? No way. "Katrina foreign policy" encapsules a wealth of meaning behind it.

"Make the people think we have everything in control -- as long as we don't get any big surprises to prove that we don't."

[Orrex]

93. I don't think I expressed myself correctly

I'm trying to imagine the impact if Kerry had described Bush's various disastrous policies as "rape" or "enslavement" or even something like "bitch-slap," as in "Bush's economic agenda bitch-slaps the American worker."

All of these would carry a resonance that, while not strictly inaccurate as descriptors of Bush policy, nonetheless strike me as a trifle insensitive and, well, flippant. "Katrina foreign policy" seems to have a similar (though clearly unintended) tone.

[pacalo]

118. I don't equate Kerry's use of the word "Katrina" to slam those victims who

suffered from it. To me, the term "Katrina foreign policy" says in just three words that Bush's foreign policy is clouded & stagnated due to his ineptness & cluelessness in finding solutions.

Btw, I live 20 minutes outside of New Orleans, had wind damage to my property, but didn't suffer like the New Orleanians did. I did have to suffer through all the insensitive Rethug e-mails meant to project blame from Bush. I found them very hurtful. Very hurtful. But I welcome anyone's use of "Katrina" catch phrases when describing this administration's ineptness. It's very, very appropriate, imo.

[Orrex]

121. Thanks--that reassures me!

It's certainly an efficient summation, and if you're comfortable that it won't be misconstrued by people who suffered from Katrina's destruction, then I guess I'm okay with it.

Also, it can't be denied that the phrase works both as a self-contained image and also as an effective reminder of Bush's post-Katrina ineptitude.

[pacalo]

171. I think most Katrina survivors (& a lot are still struggling for normalcy) would

welcome the analogy between the way Bush mishandled Katrina & the way he mishandles every other aspect of his job. Just as they have become a victim of his ineptness, so have those troops who have no choice but to serve Bush's failed policy in Iraq as sitting ducks.

And just as he thought Brownie was doing a heck-of-a-job, he thinks the same of Rummy.

[Sydnie]

132. It also says to me that

blivet**might say a lot of things, make many promises for the camera's during photo ops that he has no intention of ever keeping concerning Iraq, just as he did concerning Katrina and it's victims. I think it is an accurate description and one that is devastating to the GOP.

[pacalo]

175. He's all about photo-ops with no substance behind them.

And whenever he attends a speaking engagement, it sounds like a campaign speech. He clearly has shown that he represents the interests of Republicans only (well, the rich ones, which seems to fly over the head of the average Faux News viewer). All non-Republicans have had no president for the past 6 years.

[Cappadonna]

267. Katrina Is the crowning achievement in BushCo Stupidty

When third world countries like Sri Lanka and Thailand can clean up after the Tsunami adn Cuba evacuate their people before a hurricane, it just make the Bush team look even stupider that several thousand people died or were left homeless after Katrina. It shows a lack of organizational skills and forward think usually reserved for children with learning disabilties and and elderly people in the last stages of Alzhiemer's. Let these nitwits run a war and you have Iraq and Afghanistan.

[pacalo]

290. Katrina was a big tipping point, for sure.

I see you're fairly new to DU, Cappadonna -- welcome! :hi:

[TayTay]

32. Hey Dr. Fate: It's on MSNBC

on their breaking news. Cuz covering something real about Iraq and who is actually getting killed and wounded over there costs money.

Let's cover a pie-fight instead. (Fine by me, but still.)

[Dr Fate]

They took the bait.

Now Kerry needs to continue with a follow up on a TV show so he can contuinue to frame it his way.

[Spiffarino]

77. Good. Now let's see if he can set the hook.

When he gets on TV, not only should he not apologize, he should go further and declare them all moral and physical cowards and then challenge the Presidential spokeshole to a cage match. Kerry will kick Crony McSnowjob's ass.

[Cocoa]

33. "assorted right wing nut-jobs"

:rofl:

[soleft]

Had he done that in early August 04 - oh had he done that

[seabeyond]

42. bullshit, the nation wasnt ready for it in 2004. you are just wrong n/t

[casus belli]

55. With all due respect, I think it's you who might be wrong.

While the country may not have been ready for an outright Bush bashing, there's no reason JK couldn't have done a better job of standing up to the accusations and half-truths thrwon at him by Bush and Co. I realize he was trying to take the high road, but he ended up allowing them to define him.

[seabeyond]

89. then you understand what it was about. why pretend otherwise

kerry made a judgement. people said they didnt want the dissing of character, they wanted to know what a candidate would do. that is what kerry gave them. as you say, he took the high road, per the american people. he was wrong. he admitted that he made the mistake taking the high road, per listening to the american people. what we want, for our leaders to listwen to us. he gave us the benefit of doubt that we knew what we were talking about and he has since said,he would nolonger run in that manner.

a man that misjudged, admitted to the mistake in reflection, revised, and adjusted.

i admire those characters in a leader, or a boss. how one is successful....

[casus belli]

122. Makes more sense now that you've clarified

I didn't get that from your original post, thanks for the response.

[TankLV]

177. bullshit back at ya - this kind of ATTACK is what we were BEGGING for

but it was sorely lacking.

Try leading John, like you are NOW, don't stick your finger in the air any more - let it rip!

[confludemocrat]

277. lame-ass crap, the nation wasn't ready for someone to fight for it, all out?

rhetorically. well then when would that be?

[blm]

48. He did on Aug 19, 2004 - no media aired it - too busy with McGreevey outing.

.

[SouthernBelle82]

90. Exactly

He did do all of that but hey it doesn't happen if it's not on the media right? :eyes:

[nashville_brook]

75. spot on!

[Demit]

35. Most clear and direct sentences I've ever seen out of Kerry.

Very refreshing. He should get angry more often. And he should let it show every time.

[mom cat]

300. I have been mad at Kerry since his way too early concession, but this goes toward

making up for that. Perhaps he is finally learning something important from Theresa "Shove It" Heinz Kerry! I am glad he is finally finding his voice!

[BattyDem]

37. "Katrina foreign policy"

That brings the reality in Iraq straight home and paints a beautifully detailed portrait, doesn't it? Even the simplest minds can understand THAT! :evilgrin:


I love this, too: "doughy Rush Limbaugh" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

SHIT! Why didn't he do this to the Swift Boaters?!? :shrug:

[wizstars]

305. Best phrase was "stand still and lose"

We need to be SCREAMING this every time some repug says "cut and run"!!

Go get 'em Johnny!


Only 811 truth-butchering days left in the bush regime.

[roguenkatz]

39. Tell it like it is!

Harder! Faster! MORE! MORE! MORE! Kick 'em in the goddamn nuts!

[The Witch]

107. Welcome to DU!

And your post made me blush :blush:

Anyway, :hi:

[goforit]

40. Kerry...Well said! But don't go running back to kiss Bush on the cheek later!

[blm]

51. He never has - there isn't anyone who's done more to expose BushInc

over the years - so I doubt he ever will.

[pacalo]

86. Kerry has never kissed Bush's cheek. No way.

[bdamomma]

247. Kerry never did, he never did it during the debates either won all 3.

[pacalo]

289. Speaking of the debates, want to see something interesting?

These are individual pictures of Bush & Kerry on the same day before one of the debates. Can you tell which one is more worried?



I have two for Kerry 'cause he's special :) :

[bigtree]

41. heh. I like that

:kick:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/bigtree

[riona]

43. Do we have a street fighter emerging, or what???

:applause: :patriot: :applause:

[Coexist]

44. you got it, sir.

[ClayZ]

45. Woooot K & R

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[FlaGranny]

46. Has Kerry been taking

advice from or listening KO? Sure sounds like it.

[truebrit71]

47. DAMN!!!!

Good stuff!!!

[Coexist]

49. CNN just showed the clip - and Snow's reaction - and READING KERRY STATEMENT

WOOT! Go CNN!

[Carni]

50. Damn! Excellent comebacks!

It's a shame that Sen Kerry apparently NOW gets the whole picture!

I only wish that he (and Al Gore for that matter) had known the true extent of what they were dealing with when they were campaigning--we net junkies knew,
I don't think that they did.

I am damned glad they are speaking out.

[casus belli]

53. Where was this John Kerry when he was running for President? n/t

[0rganism]

56. whatever else you do, Sen. Kerry, DON'T APOLOGIZE

RESIST THE MEDIA PRESSURE
NEVER APOLOGIZE FOR YOUR ALLEGATIONS
MAKE THE OTHER SIDE PROVE THEM FALSE, THEN CALL THEM LIARS
PLAY THE GAME BY THEIR OWN ASSININE RULES

[aquart]

59. "A Katrina foreign policy..." Perfect.

Keep repeating that one.

[cui bono]

61. Snowjob's comment at the press conference simply confirmed Kerry's joke...

but of course no one at the WH can grasp that, since they couldn't comprehend Kerry's statement in the first place.

Then he (Kerry) said: "You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

Snow said the quote "fits a pattern" of negative remarks from Kerry about U.S. soldiers and suggested that whether Democratic candidates - particularly those running on their military service backgrounds - agree with their 2004 standard-bearer should be a campaign litmus test.
http://www.examiner.com/a-371770~White_House_Spokesman_Slams_Kerry_Remark.html

Snowjob just illustrated that he and everyone else in the WH involved with his comment didn't make the most of their education since they didn't understand that Kerry was talking about the pResident, not the troops. Those guys never cease to amaze me on so many levels.

[The Wizard]

294. The White House

knew exactly what Kerry meant. They just went into their standard
panties-in-a-bunch hissy fit. The feigned indigence is SOP for these jerkoffs. Remember when Kerry made a reference to Mary Cheney's sexual orientation during a debate and the immediate press conference by the Cheney family afterward where they called Kerry a bad man for stating the truth. Sound and fury spoken by idiots signifying nothing.
Kerry and all of us have to stay on the attack and get in Republican faces at every opportunity. Hammer these punks like flat head nails. Piss on them; shit on them; never let up until they are on the run.
If Barbara Bush had only swallowed we wouldn't have all the problems we have today(special thanks to Trent Lott for that last one). Rumsfeld, Bush and Cheney (Rummy, The Dummy and Dick, Oh my) owe the troops and humanity an apology for the crimes they've committed.
John McCain is so terrified of the Bush crime family he just does what ever he's told to do. His recent behavior indicates he's unfit to hold public office. He attacked someone he's called a friend for what he perceives is cheap political gain. Poor John McCain jumped the shark when he hugged Bush at the Repube convection in 04.
The message is that we will not be intimidated by Republikkklan scumbags. Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.
And when engaging a Repunk always ask for the source of their information.

[cui bono]

323. You're right. I'm sure they knew. I meant to say that by playing it that way

they showed themselves as being stupid. I suspect part of their motive was to take the focus off what's really happening this week in Baghdad.

As to McCain... I think I'll write him tonight. Hillary too. They're both whoring themselves out in their quest for the presidency and it's sickening. They should be better than that. But it seems all they care about is power.

[AbbyR]

62. Bravo!

That's what we need to hear from our Democratic Party leaders. Go get 'em, guys!

[Diane R]

63. Kerry is beginning to deserve a second nomination. n/t

[erinmblair]

64. AWESOME!!

:woohoo: :applause:

Give them HELL, Kerry! :D

[SammyWinstonJack]

65. !!!

:wow: :applause: :bounce: :patriot: :yourock:

[Red Right and BLUE]

66. Holy shit!

This makes me immeasurably happy. GOOOOOOO JOHN KERRY!!!

[magnetism]

67. Keep it up!

You da man!

[rosesaylavee]

68. Love it when he's off his leash!

Go John Go. Give em hell. Just an awesome rant. :patriot:

[Old and In the Way]

69. Way to go JK!

Calling them what they are....a bunch of hypocritical, criminal liars.

[zulchzulu]

72. Bring it, John

Time to take the gloves off...these Repigs are ruthless...but of course, cowards in the end game.

[Rob H.]

73. Maybe Kerry *should* apologize

And before I have to don a flameproof suit, I mean he should "apologize" like the Resmuglicans do: "I'm sorry the current blame-everybody-else administration and the right-wing screech monkeys in the media can't stand to hear the truth about themselves." Call 'em out for being the lying crybabies they so clearly are.

[Raffi Ella]

74. atta boy Kerry.

Proud of ya' man.Keep.It.Up. :kick:

[baldguy]

76. This guy should have run for prez in 2004.

Instead of that other John Kerry.

[Raffi Ella]

79. Fa' Real!

Can't tell you how freakin'happy I am to see this response.

[Swamp Rat]

80. K-K-Katrina f-fforeign p-p-pp-policy???

That's right you traitorous asshole!: A Katrina foreign policy.

Now repeat after me:

Katrina foreign policy!

Katrina foreign policy!

Katrina foreign policy!

[malaise]

241. I loved that line the first time

I heard it. It is perfect.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

269. Swamp Rat, I am so glad you're posting here.

You were brilliant pre Katrina (Jeff Gannon and Sponge Bob:-) ) you are rapier wit now.


:loveya:

Blackadder.

[pacalo]

81. I love it when he gets angry!

lectured by a stuffed suit White House mouthpiece standing behind a podium

doughy Rush Limbaugh...will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me

these Republican hacks, who have never worn the uniform of our country lie and distort so blatantly and carelessly about those who have

The people who owe our troops an apology are George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who misled America into war and have given us a Katrina foreign policy that has betrayed our ideals, killed and maimed our soldiers, and widened the terrorist threat instead of defeating it.

[wordpix]

229. Kerry is at his best when he's angry. RFK, Jr., too

[tabasco]

83. Go get 'em Senator Kerry!

:patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot:

[madmax]

87. "Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men."

LOL!!! I love U John. Three snaps and a rewind. :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[pacalo]

92. When Bush debates a real man, he has to wear one of these...

[Raffi Ella]

96. Ha!

:7 :evilgrin:

[disndat]

308. WOW!

This is the best picture of the Bush WMIHD (WIreless Magnetic Induction Hearing Device) ever! The outline is very clear, not blurred as in the first NY Times picture. The Dems should use these pictures as campaign material in the next few days before Nov. 7.
Kerry has turned what could have been a political embarrassment into a personal triumph. On first hearing, it sounded like it was an inadvertent put-down of the troops who are serving and dying in Iraq, and election fodder for the WH via Tony Snow. John Kerry turned 180 degrees, from a wimp image into a viable candidate for '08. Let's hear more of this from Kerry going forward.

[Supersedeas]

95. Calling out Snowy Mushpants, now lets watch Flakejob melt!!

[Richard Steele]

88. DAY-UM!

Now that's the John Kerry I like to see!

[Hatalles]

91. Wowowowow!

This is the kind of Kerry I wish we saw earlier. Keep that fire going.

Best line:

Bottom line, these Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men.

[Straight Shooter]

97. Wow! Talk to them in the language they understand.

Katrina foreign policy.

straw men instead of real men

Go for the throat, John. It's Vietnam all over again, even if the battlefield is now in the political arena. :patriot:

[onethatcares]

98. holy shizit, no wonder folks on another board re started their bull

But when asked what they did to help the war effort, they have excuse after excuse. Football knee, bad back, too old, don't want their kids over there, yada, yada, yada. It's about time JK said something out loud. Howard Dean has been doing it for years.

[Ian_rd]

99. Pardon my french, but Fuck Yea!

[Quixote1818]

100. Holy Shit! It seems like Dems are finaly learning how to fight to win!

[Mad_Dem_X]

101. "a stand still a and lose strategy"

Love it!! :patriot:

[RestoreGore]

102. Too bad he couldn't talk like this when he was running n/t

[seabeyond]

103. 2004 is a different time than 2006. to bad you dont have the insight

to see this

[RestoreGore]

105. Too bad you do nothing but heckle people in this thread for their opinions

We needed it MORE THEN to keep Bush from getting {stealing} another term. So don't talk to me about insight or tell me what I can or cannot say in these threads.

[seabeyond]

106. heckle people .... or educate them. all in perspective n/t

[Deep13]

111. What's the difference? Either way the point is...

...we are right and they are wrong. I echo RestoreGore's thought.

[seabeyond]

116. arent you silly

happy halloween. i am off for a day of mocking evil

[Deep13]

119. I don't have a muppet for an avatar.

:eyes:

[druidity33]

248. yeah, but it's YODA... nt

[TankLV]

183. Heckle. It was DESPERATELY needed in 2004.

I like THIS John Kerry - wish he was running for President in 2004...

[disndat]

310. Kerry did win in '04!

Please don't forget, Gore won in '00 and Kerry won in '04.

[TankLV]

318. That's not what I was contesting at all - wasn't even in my thoughts...

I was commenting on how I wish this new more agressive Kerry had been in existence then instead of the mealy-mouthed milktoast wimpy one we had...

[myrna minx]

104. WOW! K&R. n/t

[Cha]

108. OMG! I freakin'

LOVE IT! :loveya:

[Mr_Spock]

109. WOW! Nice comeback President Kerry!!

kudos!

[devilgrrl]

110. Glad I voted for this guy...

wish he was this combative back in '04.

[speedoo]

112. President Kerry kicked rethug ass today.

Calling them liars and chickenhawks.

Long overdue, but not too late.

Let's just hope the DSM gives this the coverage it deserves.

[elehhhhna]

113. K&R #64 Gig 'em, JK!

[ecstatic]

114. learning from Dr. Dean. Good job nt

[IA_Seth]

115. I'd love to see THAT bit on the 6pm news!

Thanks John!

[wordpix]

258. it's on cable, MSNBC has lots of stories

[gademocrat7]

117. Great statements by Senator Kerry.

[cassiepriam]

120. Wow. Wow. Wow. Perfect. nt

[curiousdemo]

123. Apologize THIS!!

:nopity:

Dam crybabies!! It reminds me when Harry Truman was told by someone in crowd to GIVE'EM HELL HARRY!! Harry responded, I tell the truth and they think it HELL!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

124. Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!!!!!!

KICK ASS comeback!:woohoo::woohoo:

or doughy Rush Limbaugh,:rofl: who no doubt today will take a break from belittling Michael J. Fox’s Parkinson’s disease to start lying about me just as they have lied about Iraq.

YES! YES! YES! DISH-IT-BACK!!!! WTG Kerry!

[harlinchi]

125. I didn't hear any credit given to Rep. Ford (D-TN) for the 'I'm not ...

...gonna be lectured" comment! Kerry has his own guts, I know but Ford came back at the GOP with the line first:


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2006/10/ford_uses_foley.html
"I'm not going to take a lecture on morality from a party that took hush money from a child predator," said Ford Wednesday in Memphis, TN after speaking to the downtown Kiwanis Club.

For whatever reason, from whatever source, I'm glad Sen. Kerry showed a few yards of intestines!

[yojon]

126. Wow!! At last!!!!!!

Music to my ears! Wish he had done this after the stolen election..

[Sydnie]

128. He did it BEFORE the stolen election

They just were too busy with McGreevy's bedding habits to cover it.

I am glad that he is speaking out now too. It gives us a chance to remind OUR SIDE that he DID say all of these things, over and over, and the MEDIA REFUSED TO COVER IT!!!! Looks like they aren't refusing to cover it now!

Roar on John, Roar ON!

[Norrin Radd]

127. Me likey!

n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

130. ALL Democrats need to stand up to the lies and abuse the way Kerry has here.

ALL Democrats need to stand up to the lies and abuse the way Kerry has here. There are a few, it is gaining a little momentum. The mainstream media have generally been spineless.

[Rob H.]

131. Just heard a clip of his press conference on Randi Rhodes' show

on the way back from lunch. As kick-ass as it is to read these statements, hearing them straight from Kerry's mouth is even better! :thumbsup:

[denmother]

133. I don't get it

Why is Kerry denying having said what the video shows him saying? If that's what he believes, he should stand behind it. What's wrong with standing by what he said?

[Miss Chybil]

134. He mispoke. He meant to say "get us stuck in Iraq." Meaning

George Bush didn't do well enough in school to understand the complexities of the region, much less to understand he can't just beat people up to get his way. Kerry has said what he meant to say, but he is not going to apologize to a bunch of liars who pretend to support the troops.

[pinto]

135. Where does he deny the statement? I've seen his clear response

to RW criticism, but no denial that he made the statement. Thanks.

[pacalo]

291. This is the joke he meant to say...

(Courtesy of Dem's Will Win's post:

"I can't overstress the importance of a great education. Do you know where you end up if you don't study, if you aren't smart, if you're intellectually lazy? You end up getting us stuck in a war in Iraq." - Senator John Kerry

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/kerrys-mangled-statement_b_32911.html

[treestar]

136. Atta boy!

Tell those bastards off!

The nerve, Kerry can say anything he wants about the military, he was in it during a war. Unlike certain other persons who shall remain nameless but live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. in Washington D.C.

[ContraCommando]

137. Fuck McInsane,

He should apologize to the American people for being one of the main proponents of this stupid war, and to all the families that lost loved ones to it.

You can tell that this guy is running for president in 2008.

[blogslut]

138. Awesome!

Go John!

[ContraCommando]

139. I wouldn’t be lectured by a racist either.

“Stormfront, a racist, NeoNazi, hate organization, features Tony Snow”

-He wrote an article calling Kwanzaa a fake holiday as well as saying several other racist things: “The fact is, there is no Ur-African culture. The continent remains stubbornly tribal. Hutus and Tutsis still slaughter one another for sport.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1033612

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/archives/2006/06/11/is-tony-snow-press-secretary-to-the-pres-a-racist/

Notice how Mr. Snow ignores colonialism. Maybe that is at least partially responsible for the chaos in Africa, rather than the supposed fact that they like to “slaughter one another for sport.”

[chelsea0011]

140. RIGHT ON!!!!!!!!!! This is a loser for Bush and the repukes. DON"T

LET UP.:yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:

And isn't it the truth? Eliminate the military college people, the doctors, nurses, and specilaists and what is left? There are probably very few college grads in the miltary and I don't know of any on a campus right now who somehow are in Iraq at the same time. Now there might be some gung ho types on campus who talk a good game, but are they quitting school for Iraq? Not likely.

[svpadgham]

141. Bee-Yoo-Tee-Full!

That's all.

[Sequoia]

142. Tell it like is, Kerry!! Clap, cheer, hoot, hot dang!

[bob4460]

143. we needed this spine in '04 n/t

[depakid]

144. Had he been like this in 2004

He'd be president.

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[ContraCommando]

149. Not a chance.

He’ll apologize as soon as His Tyrannical Highness, King George W. Gump apologizes for lying us into a pointless war that had NOTHING to do with 9-11 or Bin Laden - a war that has cost the lives of thousands of Americans just because jr. wanted to get out from under poppy’s shadow.

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[ContraCommando]

179. No, we went into Iraq because bush wanted to.

The administration constantly cherry picked information and lied about the war. That’s a common WH talking point. Hmmm….a nation 1/3 the population of Iran, crippled by over a decade of sanctions just six months away from a nuclear device. When Iran, which has a much larger population, greater wealth and has been working on one for years is still 4-10 years away. That’s not an intelligence failure, no one is that incompetent; that’s a lie designed to convince the public that war was the only option. By the way, the weapons inspectors were allowed back in before the war and they said that there were probably NO WMDs! Which was conveniently ignored.

[blonndee]

204. Wrong. Why do you think nobody else wanted to go?

They knew it was a bunch of horseshit, just like any thinking American did.

[donkeyotay]

164. GOPer whiners love to demand apologies. "Say you're sorry!"

"Say you're sorry!" How about, GO CHENEY YERSELVES you incompetent, immoral, lying stealing wingernut goons that have gotten 1000s of soldiers killed, killed 100,000s Iraqis, spent our treasury, destroyed our standing in the world and for what? A Halliburton windfall? The weasel hangs on his podium and lectures us and demands total submission.

HAVE THESE FUCKS EVERY APOLOGIZED OR TAKEN RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY OF THIS?

No, yesterday that sorry excuse for a president was in Texass blaming the democrats for not having an exit plan for his stupid war.

:nuke:

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[Lost-in-FL]

169. txproud

Are you proud of your president? A Texan :coughing: like you?

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[Lost-in-FL]

198. I am the one asking you a question

Are you proud of your President? He is as Texan as you are a Progressive or at least that is the impression I am getting.

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[Laurab]

158. Which comment?

and what's a "god" idea?

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[delete_bush]

194. Here you go.

SENATOR LEAHY: Vice President Cheney – nice to see you, sir.

THE VICE PRESIDENT: You know I don't appreciate you shining a spotlight on my blatant conflicts of interest with Halliburton, Senator. Just because I'm still paid hundreds of thousands of dollars every year from Halliburton, doesn't mean I don't make one hell of an effort to keep others from flaunting my utter contempt for the very notion of ethics. So when you remind voters that where there's a thick plume of foul-smelling smoke, there's obviously fire, I don't like it, Pat.

SENATOR LEAHY: I'm really sorry you feel that way, Mr. Vice President. It sounds like you feel a bit like I do when you cast aspersions on my morality and patriotism, sir. I don't like that, either.

THE VICE PRESIDENT: Fuck off.

SENATOR LEAHY: Pardon me?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: You heard me, Vermonster. Pull that fucking hemp thong out of your gaping, maple-syrup-gushing man cunt and fuck off. Asshole.

http://www.whitehouse.org/news/2004/062504.asp

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[TankLV]

186. Just joined up so you could lecture us - Okayyyyy....

funny how the repuke are quick to call for apologies, and you are too.

hmmmmm....

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[TankLV]

209. and continue to spew repuke talking points...

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[OzarkDem]

192. Kerry's not running for office this year

We would all be better served if those candidates gunning for 2008 would please shut up and stay quietly on the sidelines until after Nov. 7.

It was a stupid remark, off the cuff at time when Dems can't afford fuck ups.

This pisses me off - a stupid ass mistake close to the election.

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[OzarkDem]

202. No, just shut up and go away

He's already said enough.

It pisses me off that he would be so arrogant and careless when other Dem candidates have been working their asses off to run good campaigns.

[Polesitter]

296. Agree, Attributing his "if you don't study & get good grades"

"explanation" as being aimed at Bush only works if his own Yale grades were higher than Bush's. As we know from the 2004 campaign, they were not.

John, you are not going to be the nominee in 2008 - please let us run this one without you. And please ...STFU!

[karynnj]

317. Although it's irrelevent, Kerry's grades likely were higher

Because Yale changed their grading method in Bush's senior year, the newspapers compared the first THREE years they were in school. Kerry had an abysmal Freshman year (likely because he played 4 sports, was on the debate team, in the political union, had an active social life and a part tiem job). He got progressively better - and Yale seemed unconcerned as he continued all his activities). Bush's grades were about the same throughout.

It is highly likely that had they found a way to add the 4th year (Kerry's best), he would have been higher for the 4 years. (Not to mention - if you eliminate the Freshman year - which is often done by both higher education people and employers - Kerry was substanially higher.

The other thing is that Kerry, who obviously didn't apply himself in college, did apply himself in the Navy, Law school, as a prosecutor and a legislator.

Bush also had a major problem with drugs and alcohol, which Kerry didn't.

At any rate, re-read the debates - there is no comparison - Kerry is better informed, has better solutions and is in 2006 a smarter man.

[LeahD]

211. You just don't get it.

He was talking about Bush not doing his homework about Iraq.
No apology needed!

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[JNelson6563]

146. Ok, now THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout!

Take it to 'em John!! :toast:

[TheDonkey]

147. OOOOOH SNAPS!!!

JK went guns out after what I consider a gaffe on his part. Still this stinging counterattack is great. He's finally learning how to one up them on their smear tactics.

[bobbie]

148. This is some mighty fine rhetoric

Very direct and gutsy. Much appreciated.

[against all enemies]

151. This is the republican "Wellstone Strategy", Democrats better

kept the pressure on these pricks before they steamroll everyone over nothing. And Kerry, STFU, no one needs this crap right now. Kerry just dealt Rove an ace and I'm sick about it.

[David Zephyr]

153. George Bush is still the same coward he was during the Vietnam War.

Come on, John! Call this asshole a COWARD. It's what he is. Everyone on earth knows it, but no one will say it.

COWARD.

John Kerry and John Murtha and Max Cleland need to tell George W. Bush and Tony Snow to stop hiding behind our soldiers and Marines.

Using our soldiers and Marines as shields against criticism for their catastrophic policies is COWARDLY and UNMANLY. And it proves that George W. Bush is still the coward he was during the Vietnam War.

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[David Zephyr]

163. Kerry went to the well of the Senate to defend McCain against Bush's attacks.

When McCain was savaged by Rove and Bush as being "not stable" in South Carolina, it was John Kerry who went to the well of the Senate to defend McCain.

John McCain is a coward.

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[oasis]

266. John McCain is a cowardly, backstabbing, Bush ass kissing son of a bitch. (n/t)

[ContraCommando]

180. McCain is running for president.

It’s he who should apologize for pushing this war.

[TankLV]

190. You mean the asswipe who supports TORTURE?!

That mccain?

yeah - he's such a "noble" man, my ass!!!

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[TankLV]

208. He supports the WAR CRIMINAL's military commissions act -

it allows this REPUKE WAR CRIMINAL "president" to do whatever he wants, including waterboarding, which was supposed to be specifically forbidden, but mccain is hunky dory with it.

Read up on it...

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[curiousdemo]

159. It was just reported on CNN, Charlie Rangel called

Cheney a "Son of a Bitch".. Democrats Live!!

Give them Bastards hell!!:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[moondust]

161. Slam dunk the bald cowards!

And their little cheerleader boy!

[Oreo]

162. Woohoo! 100th recommend

[wiley]

167. Smackdown!

Brilliant. Correct. Timely.





Maybe a little too subtle language, but a great phrase -
"that always seem to come from those who never can be found to serve in war"




"It's true, officer. This man has no dick." Bill Murray, Ghostbusters

[Elidor]

168. I used to hope that Kerry wouldn't run again

But I like what we've seen from him lately. I could get enthused about another Kerry run.

[kanrok]

170. With all due respect

Kerry mis-spoke and he started a shit-storm. I watched the way MSNBC is playing this, and they are basically buying into the Snow interpretation of Kerry's comments. Kudos to Kerry for fighting back, but, taken out of context, like the way it is shown on MSNBC makes it look like Kerry was slamming the troops. I don't think his plan was to mis-speak so he would get attacked and then come back fighting mad. He screwed up and it could hurt the dems.

[BeliQueen]

185. Agreed

Even if it is to just clarify his initial statement as not being aimed at the troops but at Bush, I think that Kerry should apologize.

The way the spin is going, this could hurt the Dems next week, and I think Kerry should put aside his pride and think of what is best for the nation.

I'm gauging this on my initial gut reaction to this comment, and I think that without sufficient explanation--and hearing it out of context--it can be seen as an attack on the troops.

And the sad thing is that the same behavior that almost everyone hear is celebrating (don't apologize and attack bush) is--from what I'm seeing on polls--making Bush look like the person who cares more about the troops than Kerry.

I know that it's wrong, but perception is everything. I just hope that it's not too late for Kerry to make things right before Nov. 7th.

Who knew that Kerry would be the GOP's October Surprise.

[Habibi]

298. What polls?

Got links?

[TankLV]

193. Kerry could have said "the sky is blue" and they would have planned to jump all over him for it

too.

The media whores and the repuke will ALWAYS find something to be "offended" by - especially by pointing out their OWN RECORD AND COMMENTS!

[SquireJons]

232. Step one, remove foot from mouth

I really don't understand all of those here who are congratulating themselves over this. Kerry stepped in it and with a week to go, the media is focusing on whether or not the Democrats hate the troops. This is bull shit and Kerry should have known better. This is why he can't win a national election. He has all the charisma of a wolverine. Perhaps he can repair the damage with a few dozen six syllable words. That should play well in Kansas.

Yes, I know he's right, but that's besides the point. The average american will see this a a slap at those who are currently serving in Iraq. And why shouldn't they? Many of them volunteered out of sincere patriotism. The fact that they were mislead is irrelevant, at this point. They die, and Kerry pokes fun at them. Way to go, John.

[BluePatriot]

172. Nice. Wish he was like that in 2004 (nt)

[1monster]

173. Woo Hoooo!!!! Give'em HELL, Kerry!!!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

174. Kerry was great, but the WH and Repubs jump on this to distract from real issues.

[BelgianMadCow]

176. Has he been drinking the KO-aid?

:-)

So good to see the Dem gloves come off. Clinton showed the way in that respect.

[mnhtnbb]

178. The gloves are OFF! Bring it on, Bush/Cheney! Oh, that he would have

gotten in their faces like this two years ago.

[twaddler01]

181. Ouch.

And I pretty much agree with what he said earlier anyway. FUNNY! :rofl:

[EnviroBat]

189. I think a good plan of action RIGHT NOW would be...

To clarify the bigger issue about Kerry's comments. I can't speak for the man, but the portent he spoke was ominous at the very least. Those among us who are of drafting age may heed this as a warning. If you aren't enrolled in college, bettering your future, you may just find yourself in Iraq, or Iran, or what ever fucking invasion this current administration chooses to impose upon the world! Think about it!

[OzarkDem]

196. Too late, the media has the spin they want

they're not going to give it up. They're going to repeat it over and over and over to hurt the 2006 candidates.

Stupid ass mistake on Kerry's part. It was a dumb remark, one easily misinterpreted. Its so unfair to all the Dems who have been working so hard this election season.

Someone put a muzzle on Kerry and send him off to go windsurfing or something.

[EnviroBat]

206. I can't agree more...

Kerry and Pelosi need to SHUT THE FUCK UP! At least until Nov 8th. Unless your spouting the failures of this retarded administration, or continually hitting them where it hurts, (Foley, Ambramoff... etc.), keep your trap shut, lest you say something really stupid that the Repigs can spin into damage for us. I'm so fucking pissed right now, I can't believe it. I even started coming up with conspiracy theories that Kerry is a Repig plant, why else would he have conceded in '04 so easily? Now this horse-shit! I realize that people are passionate about what they believe, now more than ever, but WE DON"T NEED THIS KIND OF CRAP RIGHT NOW!

Jesus help us... I can just hear Rush Limpdick shitting himself with glee right now...

[Tellurian]

219. Kerry is OK...but he should quit while he's ahead...

but he doesn't...he always manages to step in dogshit in the middle of a speech
and making himself look foolish, trying to shake it off his shoe.

[Tellurian]

200. KERRY, Here are your words to BUSH's request for an apology..

NO, MR. BUSH...

*YOU* OWE THE TROOPS AN APOLOGY...

FOR SENDING THEM TO IRAQ ON THE WINGS OF A LIE!!!

[EndElectoral]

201. i hate to say it, but I hate these Repub pigs!!!

[onecent]

203. You go sweetheart! We love you John Kerry. n/t

[Owl]

205. Fabulous!

WOW!

[smartvoter]

207. I hope others follow this lead. Enough is enough. nt

[AntiFascist]

210. Isn't this really about the DRAFT?

No doubt there are many well-trained soldiers in Iraq, and many who have been lured into the military by promises of advancing their education and who are proceeding along that track.

BUT, because Bush has screwed up so badly in Iraq, war-weary soldiers are being killed at increasing rates. Add to this the potential for war with Iran, and only a draft will fill the quotas necessary to ensure any kind of long-term success. Many well-educated college age students, who have no intentions of pursuing a military career, will then be faced with the prospect of "getting stuck" over there. This is the tragedy of an inept presidency.

[EnviroBat]

213. See # 206

[NBachers]

212. Smackdown!

It's ironic that George Bush's attack today came from Max Cleland's district in Georgia. It is shameful that this cardboard cutout of a president is sliming Kerry from the same district where Cleland, who lost two legs and an arm in Vietnam, was attacked by the repuke slime machine. These people have no sense of shame or decency. It is time to consign them to institutions where they'll be confronted with their despicable crimes for the rest of their days- and beyond.

GO KERRY! THANK YOU!

Contribute now to Kerry's Keeping America's Promise website. The website's statement of purpose: "Donate to KAP’s 2006 Fight Back Fund and support Democratic candidates who will make America safer and stand up to George Bush's "stay the course" failed policy in Iraq."

I've just donated to Keeping America's Promise. The website for Keeping Americas Promise is:

http://www.keepingamericaspromise.com/

[LeahD]

214. Turn up the flame some more, JK! n/t

[justhefacts]

215. Kerry remarks

Why can't other democrats join ranks and have Kerry's back?
Wesley Clark ran away from his remarks. Why can't We get in
lockstep every now and then...I guess we wouldn't be Democrats
would we.

[ContraCommando]

217. Many in the RW (including Mat Lauer)

ran to defend Rush Limbaugh for his insane comments; I wonder why they aren’t at least giving Kerry the same benefit of the doubt? We should at least be willing to defend Kerry - who was right on in what he said. The MSM is just appalled that anyone would speak truth to power, appalled.

[thoughttheater]

216. Bush Endorses Assault & Malpractice

See a tongue-in-cheek posting that employs the same GOP tactic used in relation to Senator Kerry to creatively interpret remarks made by the President in the most unfavorable manner...here:

www.thoughttheater.com

[Seedersandleechers]

218. The msm is only showing a very small part of the speech.

And that is most likely on purpose. Showing the whole speech would be kick asss.

[Name removed]

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[femrap]

220. Thank you John Kerry for standing up

to these despicable repugnants. I love it!

We are going to take back our country and save our Democracy and Constitution!

The American people are sick of * ...he's an asshole and everyone knows it.

[Major Hogwash]

221. Over 100 men killed in Iraq this month - this to divert attention from the war.

You would have thought that Tony Snowjob would have picked on someone else, someone weaker, someone more timid, than Kerry.

He'll probably get around to picking on Michael J. Fox tomorrow.

[Joey Liberal]

223. Thank You Sen. Kerry! n/t

[kitkat65]

225. Fiiiiiiiiiinally, someone says it. Finally. The rest of the dems need

to start driving this kind of response hard and unrelentingly until the election. Call the repubs on their bullshit for once and for all.

And I say this because if you look it how the repubs play the homeland security issue, it only boldens that view when the dems say nothing. In other words, if the dems can't defend themselves, how can they defend the country? For some undecided voters who don't follow things closely, that's all they hear.

[Unbowed]

228. Owch! Those are fighting words!

And they are deserved. John Kerry is tough as nails and the Republicans are afraid of him. They were too quick to jump on this, I suspect.

In attacking Kerry, they don't realize that they also attacked all liberals, democrats, progressives and people fed up over this unnecessary war. Kerry was clearly attacking Bush on the war. They want to use this on November 7th, but America is wiser and frankly far more disgusted with this kind of nonsense than ever before.

The republicans are only digging themselves in deeper and Kerry is taking every advantage to strike back. This is a dog fight now and the sensationalism is getting Kerry airtime that he wouldn't have had otherwise. Big error in judgement on Rove's part.

[Clarkie1]

230. I really like the last line...it ought to be repeated and used by other Dems.

"No Democrat will be bullied by an administration that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.”

That sums up the current situation very well indeed.

[bonzotex]

231. Thanks John....nom

Exactly how any Democrat, but especially Kerry should respond to this sort of nonsense.

[LiberalFighter]

233. And the only time Bush wore his uniform was when he was either

drunk or doing drugs

[Historic NY]

235. "No Democrat will be bullied by an administration

that has a cut and run policy in Afghanistan and a stand still and lose strategy in Iraq.”

Praise the Lord and pass the ammo, Kerry has finally found a voice to swiftboat the swiftboaters. Now lets go sink the bastards...........and hang them by their own petards.

[lala_rawraw]

237. that was my President!!!

[Martin Eden]

240. Politically, it was a stupid remark

Regardless of whether Kerry was referring to Bush and not the troops getting stuck in Iraq, the fact is that the remark will be viewed by a lot of people as an insult to the troops. The rethugs will do everything in their power to frame it that way, and to focus attention on John Kerry and away from their own failures.

I don't know if it will do them any good, but it certainly doesn't help our cause. It's easy for us to be in John's corner and get fired up in the heat of battle, but the REAL battle is over the voters who haven't decided HOW to vote or WHETHER to vote. We're counting on some voters who have to hold their nose to vote for a Democrat, and some of them will be turned off by Kerry's remark. We also need rethug voters to stay home, and the GOP will try to use this to get them fired up and to the polls.

[file83]

249. What part of Kerry's statement did you not understand?

More importantly, how could you not understand it?

Kerry was very clear, he said Bush got us ("us" meaning America as a Nation - that includes EVERYONE) stuck in Iraq.

The people that you speak of, the ones that could interpret it as being against the troops are the 33% of hard core dipshit nutbags who will NEVER stop supporting Bush and the war - so who cares what they think?

Those people spin bullshit from NOTHING - so, I wouldn't worry about how it could be "misinterpreted" - just worry about what you should understand from the clear words Kerry layed in front of you.

[Martin Eden]

270. Sorry, but Kerry's remark was NOT clear ...

... if all you hear is the following:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

I've seen that clip a handful of times on TV today, and the only commentator I saw who put it into the context that both you and I understand was Keith Olberman. The plain fact of the matter is that most people will take that remark at its apparent face value, and many will also hear demands from rethugs calling for Kerry to apologize. The phrase I emphasized in bold will not sit well with the voters who will swing a few key elections.

In terms of electoral politics it does not matter that Kerry was referring to Bush, not our troops. In politics, perception is reality. To the extent this incident affects the midterm elections, it will have a negative effect for us.

[Tarc]

311. Bull

All it does is give the FReepers and their ilk a bit of fresh blood to lap up. Anyone with half a brain can tell that the "you" in "you get stuck in iraq" refers to Bush.

Stop being a Chicken Little; too many of you types cost us in 02 and 04.

[Martin Eden]

322. Horsefeathers

The sky is not falling, but you're sticking your head in the sand if you don't think Kerry's botched joke has been a gift to the rethugs. It's a minor screw-up, but they'll squeeze it for all it's worth.

I don't know what kind of "type" you think I am, but I took time off work 2 years ago and travelled to Ohio to help get out the vote for Kerry. I try to never miss an opportunity to persuade people how important it is to restore checks & balances to our government in the form of a Democratic congress. You seem to be the "type" to flame someone before giving serious thought to the merits of an argument or the motives behind it.

We need to be smart to win elections. Kerry's screw-up was not smart.

[annabanana]

242. REAL men, not straw men!

I like this.

[tjl]

243. Wrong emphasis

"If anyone thinks a veteran would criticize the more than 140,000 heroes serving in Iraq and not the president who got us stuck there, they're crazy." Maybe crazy, but they have a memory. JK criticized both Vietnam Vets and Iraq vets. If you don't believe me go to your local VFW post and check it out. Perception is reality in politics.
"You know education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. And if you don't, you get stuck in Iraq," I'm not an English major but this seems pretty clear. No mention of Bush. "You" refers to the students. If you think this is a Kerry win, you are sadly mistaken. And the more he tries to explain it (from a bad joke to I won't apologize) the more he makes it worse. Rove couldn't have scripted this better if he had tried. This is a no win for the Dems because it takes the emphasis off the "stay the course" war and puts it on the troops.

[LeahD]

250. Enjoy your stay..........

[othermeans]

278. I tend to agree with you as much as I like the can of whip ass he opened

up on the Republicans the real question is how the MSM will spin this and how long they will play it on TV. The impact on the undecided and moderate voters is what we need to worry about. A Democratic congressman has already canceled a campaign appearance by Kerry citing the "inappropriateness of his remarks".

"In Iowa, a spokesman for Democratic congressional candidate Bruce Braley said Braley had decided independently to cancel an event with Kerry scheduled for Thursday. Braley, who is running against Republican Mike Whalen in the state's 1st District, said in a statement that the White House and Kerry should stop bickering and focus on how to change course in Iraq."

[Hepburn]

309. I don't know what local VFWs you go to...

...but the ones I have gone to are in favor of Kerry. The are very well aware of the cuts they have had in their VA benefits and how it has been literally an act of gawd for some of them who are very ill to get treatment at a VA hospital ~~ even those who have service related disabilities. You think they all have short memories? They know what it was like with Clinton and they know what it has been like under that asshole Bush. Most of them are also VERY aware that US soldiers were sent to die for LIES.

I am of the Vietnam War protest era...and I can tell you that the Vets who are my age know what BS is coming out of Washington and the WH. They are not as stupid as you think. Try giving the vets some credit instead of insulting their intelligence by thinking that they would not support someone who speaks the truth. What Kerry said does not down them ~~ it supports them and anyone with a brain knows this.

I doubt if you have ever been in a uniform ~~ let alone gone to any place where vets hang out. You think anyone who served in combat in Vietnam thinks it was a real treat to do this ~~ then IMO you are full of it to the max. Just like Vietnam ~~ Iraq is an IMMORAL war. Try taking a look at some history books, OK? Those who were in charge back then admit it was a mistake...and the documents which have been de-classified support each and every statement Kerry made in his Senate testimony. He spoke the truth then...he speaks the truth now. It takes a BRAVE man to do what he has done.

And, yep, you sure and NOT an English major. Try looking at the CONTEXT, OK?

[tjl]

324. Reply

"You think they all have short memories?" No. Read my words. I said they have a memory - that is they do remember. I don't know what VFW's you go to, but I have not been to any Vet organizations that favored JK.
"They are not as stupid as you think." And just how do you know what I think?
"I doubt if you have ever been in a uniform ~~ let alone gone to any place where vets hang out." Oh really? Would you like to make a wager on that?
"You think anyone who served in combat in Vietnam thinks it was a real treat to do this." This line from you really pisses me off. You have know idea what I think about this and have no right making a statement like this.
Here are two suggestions for you. Don't think for someone else, it will make you look either arrogant or stupid. Second, proofread your post before you post it. Check out your last line (just a little help from the non-English major).
I stand by what I said in my first post.
I'd say more but I think you get the drift.

[Hepburn]

325. Here's a suggestion for you:

THINK...try it, you might like it.

Geeeeeeez......:eyes:

[dave123williams]

244. Ah; ok - where was this guy durning the last election?

It's about fucking time he said it.

[Terri S]

245. anyone watch Keith tonight?

there will probably be a transcript later, but the best news is he's doing a 'Special Comment' about it tomorrow!

[bdamomma]

246. oof kick ass kerry how many of us would like to say it to these right wing wingnuts

[tlsmith1963]

251. Wow...

Why wasn't he like that in '04? I would have liked him better. Gore is also more kick-ass now than he was in '00. It would be nice if we had more candidates who would think of their consciences nore than poll numbers.

[aikoaiko]

252. Does anyone have a text or video link to the whole Kerry speech

I'd like to see it to decide for myself.

[rodeodance]

253. you go Kerry

[Anakin Skywalker]

254. That's Telling 'Em, John! Don't Let Bush Flunkies Run Their Mouths Unchallenged.

[texpatriot2004]

259. Thank you Senator Kerry for telling it like it is nm

[Cobalt Violet]

260. K & R bigtime.

[Merrick]

262. Gosh, maybe his original remarks were bait

for a pretty ingenious trap. Get these pussies to spout off, impugning his respect for soldiers, then shoving their fat, lying faces in it.

[man4allcats]

263. In his statement, Kerry told the truth, and a lot of people

don't like that. As reported:

According to the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, the senator {Kerry) took the stage to roaring applause before regaling the crowd with one-liners, Bush barbs and tales of surfing at nearby Mission Beach.

He then said: "You know, education -- if you make the most of it, you study hard and you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well.

"If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."

What Kerry said was true. It is also true that there probably are a few Mensa members walking around Iraq with M16s locked and loaded simply because in addition to being brilliant, some Mensa members are also nuts. It is nevertheless true that if in fact you are not able to navigate the educational system, your odds of finding yourself in a fire fight in Iraq increase significantly even without an official draft just as they did in Vietnam. It is not an insult to the troops anymore than it is an insult to be blue collar. It is just the way things are with the American military. If you have a degree or better yet a graduate degree (or in W's case, a degree from an Ivy League school bought for you by your father because you were too stupid to earn it), the chances of your getting your ass shot off in some war for profit go down considerably. Kerry told the truth. There is no reason for him to apologize.

[ContraCommando]

264. CNN’s Slander of Kerry continues

On Andersen Cooper they had two people (both saying the same thing - more like Faux everyday) that Kerry’s comments were “bizarre” and “the gift that keeps on giving.” Fools. Every time they talk about this they also have to mention Iraq, which isn’t going so well right now.

What’s so bizarre is that he dared to speak truth to power, something they never do - or when that Faux news zombie Tony Snow or that draft dodger Bush questioned his character, he struck back.

Remember, when we get the power, we must break up these media monopolies: Time Warner, Viacom, Disney, News corporation, GE. Then, maybe, they’ll be less inclined to push the Bush agenda.

[niallmac]

265. From now on 'turn the other cheek' means kicking both sides

of their lying asses.

[Arkana]

268. Jesus, Senator.

Where the hell was THIS in 2004????

[mreilly]

271. Let the crying GOP assholes whine

Kerry has nothing to apologize for. Nothing if you take his remarks as an attack on Bush, and nothing if you take his remarks as an "attack" against the troops. Bush has killed over 2700 U.S. troops with his fraudulent little war, and for his asslicking flunkies to shriek and demand apologies from a member of the other party - who had nothing to do with this failed, doomed disaster - only illustrates what a sewer they've dug and are wallowing in, while stubbornly insisting their suits are clean and they smell just fine!

I think this country has moved past the point where it's willing to spend weeks and months obsessively analyzing someone's "offensive" comments about Iraq. It is the Iraq situation that is offensive. It is the people who spawned it who are offensive. It is the media shills/propagandists/mindless asshole talk radio know-nothings who are offensive. It is the too-stupid-to-zip-their-pants Bush voters who continue to refuse to accept reality and who go around cheerleading for a bunch of deceitful pricks who not only take their base for granted but ridicule them (witness Rove's recent comments about the religious wackos who vote GOP) who are offensive. All of these groups should apologize not only for their fraudulent and dishonest viewpoints, but for ever having squirmed out of their mothers uteruses to infect this world with their presence in the first place. And to fully apologize for their actions they should find the nearest handgun, insert it into their mouths, and pull the triggers so as to guarantee making the world a better place.

Anyone who worries that this will tip the balance back towards the GOP next Tuesday: please wake up. Do you really think that the pissed off voters out there, who have had enough of the nonstop bullshit and juvenile antics of Bush and his toadies, are going to hear Kerry's remarks and have a change of heart, such that they run out to vote Republican in a week? Please. If the compulsion to vote out the Repuke turds is that tenuous, that fragile, that ready to turn on a dime, then obviously the events of the past 6 years haven't fully sufficed to show Joe Voter what bad people these are, that they can be swayed in seven days, or 1/362nd the time. I have little to no faith in the intellect of the average American voter, but even I can't conceive this will change a damned thing next Tuesday.

Enjoy Kerry's comments, and stop worrying about the fallout. That's playing the game by the rules the Republican assholes are always trying to set, whereby they can say or do whatever the hell they want, to anyone they please, but God forbid anyone should fight back, speak out, or stand up, because the GOP will shamelessly try to eviscerate these critics with lots of hysterical outcries. Fuck them, and fuck their bullying, hypocritical tactics.

[colorado_ufo]

273. Rockin'!

They had no idea whom they were dealing with. Amazing response! Hope the Repugs were wearing their flame-retardant undies.

[socalover]

275. Thank you John Kerry!

[Catamount]

279. One more K&R

Thanks!!!

[Synnical]

281. Okay

I'm just going to say

ABOUT FUCKING TIME.

That's all.

[KonaRider]

282. Don't look now

http://www.eyewitnessnewstv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5616595&nav=F2DO

[Synnical]

283. Thanks for the heads up from Iowa

Kerry refused to apologize.

[dailykoff]

284. Keep landing 'em, John!

And don't let up until Nov. 8!

:yourock:

[MalloyLiberal]

285. Video of Kerry press conference

Can someone post this in the video forum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGwc-9pmmbM

[earth mom]

286. Hell Yeah! That's what I'm talking about!

:woohoo:

Finally Kerry did what he's needed to do since they stole the presidency from him!
Maybe he's been reading DU! ;)

[_dynamicdems]

287. I'm so proud of Senator Kerry today.

He's a true leader and a great American.

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[Klimmer]

292. That's my President! I salute you Sir. Go get em and kick ass! nt

[Catfight]

295. Finally - a smart answer to repugs stupid comments. I'm impressed. nt

[focusfan]

297. i think he said it well

you have to admire John Kerry he has been in war and
understands what hell it is to be there.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

299. You'd think he was molesting pages, the way they're howling

nm

[Felix Mala]

301. Not on front page of any newspaper on our newstand...

including Chicago Tribune, USA Today and Indy Star.

[Imagevision]

302. Yeah! like we really needed to take our concentration off of Iraq..!

John, go take a bike ride, do some surfing, anything, just stay out of the picture until after the election...

[DUBYASCREWEDUS]

304. Leave it to

our stupid pResident not to know when someone is calling him stupid! Love it. You go, President Kerry!

[IWantAChange]

306. Iraq front and center versus gay marriage et al - MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!

Whether it was an error of omission or a well crafted strategy, I for one thank Sen. Kerry for putting the focus back on Iraq and off alternative lifestyles and the standard Repug fear mongering about higher taxes and a less safe America.

[_dynamicdems]

312. Absolutely! And Kerry is heading back to Washington today.

He's going to take the ball and run with it. He's going to keep the subject on Iraq. Everybody wants to interview him now because of the controversy and this is Kerry's chance to get a national spotlight on the things he's been saying for months!

Go Kerry!

[Voltaire99]

313. Kerry's goose is cooked.

Whether or not he meant it, what Kerry said wasn't far from the truth. It's hardly an original idea: lack of education = reduced prospects = cannon fodder. Urging studying as a means to avoid ending up in imperialism's meat grinder is actually good advice.

But within seconds of uttering it, he must have realized that he'd committed the most unpardonable of sins: speaking the truth about the nature of our "volunteer" military.

And as so often with Kerry, there's always an escape hatch: oh, no no noo, he didn't mean it, he bungled a joke, etc. Heh. What a putz. Goodbye, Kerry in '08.

[JMDEM]

314. I know I'm going to get slammed here but... we now have a big problem

I'm going to get slammed here but... we now have a big problem. A huge problem. I hope I'm wrong.

EVERY single MSM outlet is now covering this from a Republican spin viewpoint as their TOP STORY.

It doesn't matter at this point how Kerry tries to explain what he meant to say, because the MSM is doing a Rove number on the story... Big Time.

It makes me sick to my stomach to read and hear what I am reading and hearing today.

We now have a big problem, and the entire Democratic Party better put their heads together and figure out the best approach to take in a hurry.

Don't get me wrong -- Kerry did nothing wrong. His response was correct -- he really gave them hell. But the one thing we can't really control is the MSM's reaction to it.

If this remains the top MSM topic for the next 7 days, we have big big trouble.

And remember -- even if it does not change many votes, it can still be used as THE SMOKESCREEN to explain drastic shifts in election results versus polls. Oh -- Blackwell was down 30% and yet won the Governor's election in Ohio? MSM parrots in unison: "It was Kerry's comment".

[_dynamicdems]

315. Everyone remember those Purple Heart bandaids?

I think we should shove that down their throats now. Talk about dishonoring a veteran!

[Raiden]

316. "Republicans want to debate straw men because they’re afraid to debate real men."

Wow! Great line! :kick:

[KonaRider]

319. That was not a heads up

It was an example of the now several rats abondoning the sinking ship. Read on.

http://www.mankatofreepress.com/local/local_story_305000815.html?keyword=topstory
http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=politics&id=4715706
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZMRecdL_No
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/11/1/112342.shtml?s=ic

And the self destruction begins. The Imus one is about as funny as they come.

[cordelia106]

320. Excellent response Senator

Senator Kerry's response was wonderful. Telling these lying unethical bastards
off by slamming them with the truth made me proud, yet again,that he is one
of my Senators . Kerry '08 !

[Old Smokey]

321. HELL YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!

Fantastic response. I love it !!!

[Vidar]

326. Refreshingly strong rhetoric from Kerry.