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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:31 PM
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How I can tell that Karl Rove is Using Election Fraud......
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 01:33 PM by McCamy Taylor
1. "THE Math" As discussed on Olberman last night. They talked about what he is doing but not why. Rove is spending RNC $$$ like water doing micropolls of the competetive races to find out exactly what the vote spread is. Why? He isnt planning to go to Vegas and bet his life's savings on the election results. Why does he need to know the final results with the margin of error? It wont affect his patented 72 hour get out the vote stratgy. He isnt going to say "We only need 72% of partsisan churches in this district to tell voters to go to the polls, but we need 96% of them to get out the vote in THAT district." He will mobilize the entire base,the way he always does. Polling might affect advertising decisions, but he doesnt need micropolling for that. The only reason to have mathematic accuracy is if he is planning to have votes shaved from the Democrat and added to the Republican and he needs to have it done so that the final tally will be within the margin of error of the pre-eletion and the exit polls, so that he and his henchmen will not be caught. If he were not planning to use election theft, he would be saving all those RNC $$$ for campaign ads and for more get out the vote efforts, the way that the Democrats are.

2. "Call me, Harold" Did you know that this ad was created by a protegee of Rove and that the same guy did the infamous Cleland/Osama ad? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/26/politics/main... Recall that MSM idiot-pundits credited that ad with Cleland's defeat AND with the defeat of an incumbent Democratic governor with a double digit lead in the polls in Georgia, even though there was no ad showing the governor next to Osama. The idiot-pundits assumed that hick-redneck Georgians were just so plain dumb that they would fall for anything. The truth, we now learn, is that Diebold illegally inserted a patch called "robgeorgia.zip" into new E-voting machines in Democratic voting areas right before the election. The "Cleland/Osama" ads were dreamed up by Rove to offer plasible deniability when the final results did not match the pre-election polls. Those ads were so off the wall, that they captured national media attention. The national media's prejudices against southern voters caused them to miss the mark about what happened during the election. Instead of asking questions about Georgia's first E-voting experience, they blamed it on redneck voters. They cited an angry white man upswing in voters when the actual increase was in african-american women!

"Call me, Harold" is more of the same. This ad was made to be bad. It is parody of an ad. It was designed to capture national attention so that MSM pundits would ask "Will voters in Tennessee be swayed by this kind of racist advertising?" It isnt supposed to change the polls now. However, after the election, when the final results are vastly different from pre-election polls, MSM pundits will say "Call me, Harold" obviously appealed to a certain racist element within Tennessee which was embarassed to express its concerns to pollsters but which was drawn to the polls in greater than expected numbers." They will laugh or frown at racist-hick-hillbilly Tennessee voters who fall for stupid ads, never questioning whether the final vote tally has anything to do with the votes actually cast.

At least, this is Karl Rove's plan. How do I know? Because if a dirty trick works once for Rove, he will keep repeating it.

3. Florida's 100 Foot from the Exit Poll Rule for Exit Pollsters: I already posted about this one. The state says it is going to appeal. Exit polls become unreliable at 100 feet from the polling place. Any time anyone forces exit pollsters 100 feet away from the polls, they are trying to cover up planned election fraud activity. They know that the final vote tally will not match the votes cast (or the exit polls, which generally match the votes cast with a fair degree of accuracy). In Ohio, 2004, Blackwell tried to keep the exit pollsters 100 feet away from the polls but they went to court. Had he suceeded, there would have been no proof of a stolen election. Rove and Blackwell almost got away with it in 2004. Florida is trying to get away with it this time. The common link between Florida and Ohio is Karl Rove.

So, people who say things like "We do not know that election fraud is planned." or "Maybe the vote count will be fair", grow up, open your eyes, get with the program. The best thing you can do is donate money, help with get out the vote efforts and get out there with your video camera to document election fraud activity and then report it and post it online.

Rove's election theft plans can be foiled. If the Democrats manage a final blitz that increases their turn out beyond what he expects, if they launch their own "November surprise" that energizes their base or makes the GOP base decide to stay home or if the start catching Republicans in the act of committing election fraud, then Rove is going down in flames.

We have the money this time. We have friendly news media this time. We have issues this time. We definitely have the votes. All the GOP has going for them is a guy who likes to repeat himself.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:34 PM
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1. Please let him be wrong this time, don't let him
outsmart us again!

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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:37 PM
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2. IMO, he really screwed up with "the" math comment...
I caught that the minute I read the article. The good news is that this time we are ready for them.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:39 PM
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3. The Democrats have their own 72 hour plan this time
I know this because I was called to volunteer for most of those final 72 hours and the day of the election.

Let's hope we can out maneuver Rover

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cautiouslywaiting Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:17 PM
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11. I don't think
he can do anything about the election. He's going down.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:49 PM
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23. YOu are right. With accurate exit polls and a flurry of last minute Dem
activity the Democrats will either win outright or Rove will be caught with his pants down cheating---and this time NBC and the NYT at the very least (probably ABC and a lot of newspapers too) will report on it, no matter how many wars W. tries to start the day after the election. Plus, the Dems are ready on the ground to document fraud activity as it occurs.

I can not stress the importance of making sure that exit pollsters are allowed to do accurate polls. It looks like the pollsters will go to court to defend their right to do their job. Even in 2004 when the fix was in, they went to court, and this time they are not being offered media mergers for their compliance. Plus, Zogby will want to do them to prove their accuracy. Beware of any last minute GOP effort to ban exit polls in any key races or states.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:39 PM
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4. rec just for the 100 rule. Maybe someone should do an article for our
standards for free elections in other countries and whether we follow them ourselves.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:40 PM
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5. I think they have to be more subtle this time....
If they want Iran, they need the "Consent of the Governed", not just the "Acquiescence of the Governed".

The troops are stretched so thin that a move on Iran will require a draft. Even with a new terror attack or a Gulf of Tonkin incident, I think Bush and an All-Republican congress will have a hard time getting the kind of support they will need. But if a new conscription law were passed by a Democratic congress in response to a terror attack.

But, that being said, your "Call me, Harold" point is spot on. It's a two-fer: Not only does it provide cover for a stolen election, it also convinces many that their fellow Americans are racist bigots. This is useful in discouraging grass-roots organizing.
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:41 PM
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6. well put, McCamy
That's one thing about Rove: his greasy fingerprints are visible now.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:42 PM
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7. Shows his REPREHENSIBLE MENTALITY
The more you hear about rove you wonder why people say he is smart. The only thing smart about him is the fact that he can squirm around on the bottom of a slimy swamp and the people go for it. No matter how far back in history you go, you have never seen such a common, low down dirty minded mud slinging person as rove. It is a wonder he does not squeak shit when he walks.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:45 PM
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8. Great post, especially the last two paragraphs.
Yes, we have to watch out for Rove's tricks. But he is NOT omnipotent; he is just as vulnerable to being caught in the act as anyone else.

Just remember people like Shilling, Cunningham and Abramoff. None of them did what they did thinking, "I'll get caught red-handed some day, but I'm going to do what it is I'm doing anyway."

People like Rove invariably get caught in their own trap - it's just a matter of time.

If we turn out in huge masses, we either out-Diebold them - or they pull off the 'impossible' wins that will draw the spotlight to their theiving.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:30 PM
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14. Exactly! Also well said OP K & R nt.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:47 PM
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9. Karl's secret weapon:


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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:09 PM
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10. It is not quit that dire.
This is not one election, its hundreds going off all at once. How many elections could they cheat in simultaneously?? In the house, certainly they would have to sucessfully (by that I mean not getting caught) cheat in many - 20, 50 pick a number, and they won't know which ones they could really tip until it is too late.

Dirty games he could play - like he did in Ohio - I am sure. Outright cheating - Not so likely.

The important thing is VOTE. If you have to wait in long lines - DO IT.

There is a populist wind here to dump these people. Karl is just pissing into a huricane.

Joe
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:45 PM
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15. you underestimate the fact
that Santa's elves will be helping out as usual... :evilfrown:
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:13 PM
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20. Santa's elves - that is really frunny!!
I'd just say - who the F is Karl Rove - Really, he is just a fat little man from the middle of nowhere - And the truth is - I really don't think he is all that smart, and I'd sure not be afraid of him.

If he is really that great, how come he came so close in 2000? Afterall, he lost the popular vote - I think he came within a pubic hair (excuse me) of total obscurity then. Cause without that supreme court decision, he was just another loser, right??

He's not smart, he is a thug.

I am certainly not afraid of a thug, and neither is america - and really that is just what this election boils down to.

Karma is real. And what goes around DOES come around. And it is coming around right now!!

Joe
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 08:12 PM
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32. well yes
Rove is a thug & it has taken people a long time to realize this. Denial is strong. But once you start to see the Rovian tactics at work it's not hard to figure out. He just goes to the max and then pushes for more. I don't know if people are afraid of Rove so much, just afraid to look at the whole sordid mess that is our govt and deal with it. I can see you're not afraid. I'm with that--bring it on.

:nuke:
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greeneyedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:01 PM
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39. exactly. we are way more powerful than he is, and he knows it. GOTV!
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:22 PM
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12. Great post! Right on the mark! nt
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boolean Donating Member (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:28 PM
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13. AWESOME observations.
K&R
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:51 PM
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16. And lazy "journalists" are now conditioning lazier media to ACCEPT a GOP
victory when it happens, completely distracting from the real cause of victory - vote stealing.

This was the purpose of the onslaught of VALUES VOTER crap we had to listen to after 2004.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:53 PM
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17. And a big KICK and a Rec.
For a compelling post.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:55 PM
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31. Another Kick...it's an excellent read...something to think about for sure! n/t
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:01 PM
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18. The math= a way of preventing a disaster from becoming worse than it is
already. I don't think rove really believes the republicans will keep the House. if rove acknowledged that, then they'd probably lose a few more seats.. you don't concede defeate before an election.
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Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:03 PM
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19. I wonder what Dem leaders were saying in 1994. Were they not
expressing optimism? I can't imagine they were doing otherwise. It would be politically crazy to do otherwise.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:21 PM
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21. How I can tell we will tie this election up in the courts forever or 'til there's a paper
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 03:21 PM by elehhhhna
do-over:

Been looked in the eye and told so by the right persons.

VOTE! More Dem voters = harder to hack.
More Dem voters = more affidavits...if necessary. DO IT!
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:03 PM
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24. Excellent point. California Busby-Bilbray decided by HASTURT
before the vote was tallied, then a state court said that once Congress swears in a member, the state loses the right to decide the election. This was only a state court, but if other states agree, then the RNC need only contest close elections until January, then Hastuart selects the GOPers "for the good of the country", then the races get tied up in federal court for 1-2 years while they decide who has jurisdiction.

This would be a new strategy for a regular election, but it was already tested in the Busby-Bilbray election, so we know it is in Karl Rove's arsenal. Watch out for the GOP tossing out phoney-baloney court challenges a la Bush v. Gore to drag races into next year.

A new strategy but one that we may see is an election that the Dems are going to win by a handy margine corrupted by massive E-vote fraud of a strange nature---lots of votes for the libertarian or green or Dem. The sudden talk of E-vote vulnerability to hacking in GOP friendly news media makes me suspicious of this scenerio. If an election result has to be thrown out due to obvious E-vote abnormality, then a special election will have to be held. It is a maxim of GOP politics that special elections favor the GOP because of low voter turn out, plus the political environment could be different in a month from now. This is pure speculation. This has never been done by the GOP and is a very risky maneuveur since there would be a lot of finger pointing at the GOP. Think of this as a method of last resort. I mention it as a possibility.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:23 PM
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27. velly intelestig!
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cybildisobedience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:23 PM
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22. excellent post
thoughtful, well-informed, and applying the appropriate level of extreme cynicsm that our troubled times call for.
Of course they're going to cheat -- the issues are how much will they have to, and how will they cover it up/explain it.
Yours are excellent explanations.
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Nabia2004 Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:15 PM
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25. kick
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:16 PM
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26. The Math = The Diebold Math
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:58 PM
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28. Rove didn't slip when he bragged about "THE math". He was alerting
GOP faithful--the so called "base"--that the dismal poll numbers do not tell the whole story. The GOP has a long history of election fraud. Florida 2000 was not stolen with E-voting. However, E-voting is like the Holy Grail of election theft for the Republican Party. It is their salvation from the unrepentent, unwashed hordes of gay, single welfare moms who take time out from their trips to the abortion clinic to vote three or for times for crack dispensed by the local NAACP. Visit the Freepers sometime and you will see that this is the kind of propoganda the RNC feeds its troops in order to persuade them that election frauid is not a crime, it is just leveling the playing field.

The recent increase in mainstream media attention to E-vote insecurity by Lou Dobbs and the WaPo have alerted the GOP base to the fact that Karl Rove has a means to steal elections. We already know he has a motive and he has carefully cultivated his Rove-Rasputine image which tells the world that he will do anything, even break the law in order to get what W. and his party wants. The media attention to E-vote insecurity is rising exponentially now that it is too late for anyone to do anything to correct the problem. The GOP base, which might have decided to stay home if it thought the election was a lost cause, is scratching its head thinking "E-voting is easy to hack. And they say that most E-voting companies are owned by people who give money to my party. Some people think that E-voting helped my party take over Georgia in 2002. Wow! With E-voting and God's help, we might have a chance! I better get out and vote!" Karl Rove's smiling face and his assurance that "THE Math" adds up to a GOP win is meant to reassure the math challenged base that he can steal the votes they need to win, so they better get out there and vote like God's mission on earth depends on it.

This means that the best thing that Democrats can do right now is offer a strategy to control E-vote fraud and make it very public. Make sure that every member of the GOP base knows that the Holy Grail is just a Dixie cup that will crumble. Any suggestions? One idea is publicize the fact that strict exit polling is going to be done in all close races and that the Dems will ask for emergency court action if the official tally and the exit polls ever seem to be diverging. The methods the Dems talk about dont even have to be workable or make sense. If they sound tough enough, they may remove the factor of hope from the GOP base and restore hope to the Dem base.

I am afraid that the upcoming HBO special and some of the current reporting on E-vote insecurity is just feeding into Rove's plan. There should be no coverage of E-vote insecurity that does not include "What the Dems are doing about it" and "What you can do about it"
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 05:53 PM
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29. If they cheat and I think they will, I hope the sheepish people finally
get off their asses and demand a recount!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 07:26 PM
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30. Yes...what you say is VERY INTERESTING!
Watching the Cable News and Pundits tonight...gives one pause to take a look at what you say.

It's probably the real truth of it. Thanks for the insight.
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Mister Ed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 08:23 PM
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33. K&R
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 09:11 PM
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34. Spot on Macamy Taylor...
Tis great to see people have their eyes wide open this election.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 07:43 AM
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35. Very interesting take. Logical and possible. Diabolical.
Still just a theory though. Like so many things in Imperial Amerika we shall never know the full truth.

But that this "election" will be blatantly and nakedly stolen, we agree.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:32 AM
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36. This is a WEEKEND MUST READ. Send it around to family and friends, too.
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 09:50 AM
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37. They ARE going to try to steal it...they CANNOT have Dems
in charge as they would likely face investigations of their multiple crimes.
I fear all we can do at this point is turn out in numbers so tremendous, that in their OBVIOUS cheating, they will reveal themselves.
And, be prepared to take to the streets.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 01:21 PM
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38. The fix is in for Michigan
How do I know? The "Prince" of Amway/Alticor, Dickie DeVos, is running for Governor. His wife Betsy is buds with Rove, we have a SOS who was a Bush campaign chairperson last time around and is from DeVos' home stomping grounds. Optical scan voting machines are in place throughout the state. Slam dunk.

Why should you care if you're not from Michigan? This boy king is a clone of the Chimperor - he and his wife both born with silver spoons. Here's the rub - www.devosforpresident.com has already been registered by DeVos.

Check this portion of his resume in the MI forum:

CHARITABLE GIVING:
His wife and their foundation have generously given tens of millions of dollars to virtually every Republican, conservative and far-right group/cause. His family was the largest contributors to President Bush in 2000 and 2004. Wife Betsy has said they expect a return for their giving.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

DeVos has spent $30 million on his campaign and is still lagging behind Governor Granholm. All Rove needs to do now is sprinkle some fake polling throughout the media. He really is a one-trick pony (with apologies to all ponies for the comparison).



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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:36 PM
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44. are you freaking kidding me???
he has not even finished ONE year of college!!! Even the chimp faked a BS and MA degree! He does not have a chance based on his lack of education alone! Has that been brought up at all in the Governor's race?? Sheesh!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 02:53 PM
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40. Great post!
:dem:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 01:57 PM
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41. Another "sign" George Will delivers GOP talking point: "MALFUNCTION"
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 02:01 PM by McCamy Taylor
"Having fixed Iraq and New Orleans, the federal government's healing touch is now being applied to voting. As a result, days -- perhaps weeks -- might pass after Election Day without the nation's knowing which party controls the House or Senate. If that happens, one reason might be HAVA, that 2002 bit of federal helpfulness." George Will

Anyone who has followed George Will's columns in the WaPo knows that he shills for Karl Rove and the RNC. His job is to deliver the GOP talking points. He makes sure that Republicans in the community have their stories ready and that everyone is saying the same thing. If you need convincing, go to Salon's TableTalk and look for a thread called "George Will is a Dumb Ass with a Pulitzer Prize" which I started in 2002 to chronicle his whoredom for the GOP. Occassionally, he will write something because he wants to write it, and then he his style is much improved. But these gems are hard to find.

Anyway, here is Will's column for today. Since it is against the Geneva Conventions to force civilians to read Will, here is the summary: real Ammericans vote with pencils on paper, but namby-pamby Americans insisted upon having the federal government waste billions buying then touch(y feely) screen E-voting machines (forget about Bob Ney R.'s involvement, as far as the GOP is concerned, he no longer exists). Now, the unwashed masses are doomed to having the worst election ever. It will be just like Florida 2000 (nudge nudge, wink wink to all the Republicans reading this) due to m-a-l-f-u-n-c-t-i-o-n of the machines. Not deliberate GOP fraud. Forget that the former CEO of Diebold once promised to deliver Ohio to W.---and kept his promise in 2004! Nope, this will be one big mess that our buddies in the courts will solve.

I am just surprised that Will did not mention what happens if the cases drag on in court too long (Busby-Billbray). Maybe he will do that next column. On the other hand, the reference to Florida 2000 will probably reassure most Republicans since they all know how that one turned out once it reached the final court.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...



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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:29 PM
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42. Administration "Terra" Warning: Chavez May Hack the Vote
Maybe the Will article will seem a little bit more suspicious if I provide this link to another article that was also in this morning's Fort Worth Star Telegram.

The administration has been quiet as a mouse about E-voting even as Lou Dobbs has warned of the end of times and the Dems have tried to introduce legislation to get paper ballots for this fall's election. So it comes as a bit of a shock to discover that the Treasury has been worried since JULY that a foreign government with what it describes as an "anti-American agenda" might control the E-voting machines used in 17 states----and it choses now, days before the election to unleash this news on the American people. This is a whole new kind of Terra.

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/nation/15880023.htm

"Federal officials are investigating whether Smartmatic, owner of Sequoia Voting Systems in Oakland, Calif., is secretly controlled by Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, according to two people familiar with the inquiry.

"In July, a Treasury Department spokeswoman disclosed that a Treasury-led panel had contacted Smartmatic, and a company representative said his firm was "in discussions" with the panel. At the time, those discussions were informal. The government has now upgraded the inquiry to a formal investigation, the two sources said.

"Sequoia's electronic voting machines are used in 17 states.

"Concerns about Smartmatic are keen on the eve of the Nov. 7 election, given fears that someone with unauthorized access to the electronic system could create electoral chaos. Some critics believe that if the Venezuelan government is involved, Smartmatic could be a Trojan horse designed to advance Chavez's anti-American agenda."

I suggest that this sudden decision to turn the informal inquiry into a formal panic is a deliberate attempt to throw the results of an election expected to favor Democrats into doubt--and maybe into the courts.

Will claims that election confusion which he predicts will be the result of the incompetence that gave us Iraq and Katrina. However, Iraq came about because of lies, no-bid contracts, Kissinger's advise (hard to call him incompetent, he is just a war criminal), and Katrina--well, maybe it was incompetence and maybe it was political, who knows?

We are supposed to believe that whoever has been informally investigating whether or not Chavez can hack the vote is just plain incompetent and that is why Congressional Republicans did not jump at the chance to sign onto Congressional Democrats' bill to offer paper ballots (of the type that Will did not bother advocating when they were on the table but which he now swears by--please, if anyone can offer me a link to a column in which he did endorse the Dem's Bill at a time when it mattered, tell me. I WANT to believe that Will has a true conservative heart lurking somewhere within him. He actually can write when he wants to, and I respect talent.) The administration would have us believe that this formal inquiry is being launched a week before the election, because it is too stupid and too incompetent to have realized that it needed to do something earlier. It is the old "What do you expect from a Village Idiot Presidency?" defense.

I am not buying it.

The only thing this administration is good at is elections and media spin. Nothing to happens in either of these two arenas is ever by accident. They are trying to lay the ground work for a court challenge of the vote on the grounds of E-vote fraud or malfunction that does not involve Republican E-vote fraud.
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43. My election prediction: Dems take House on Election Night, Senate After
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 04:54 PM by McCamy Taylor
a Court Battle.

I do not want to give the impression of doom and gloom. Karl Rove can not help but try to steal elections, however, this time I do not think that he will succeed. The best he will accomplish is to convince the hardcore GOP base that the Dems stole the election by mounting some court challengs, so that they will be motivated to get out and vote in 2008.

I do not think it will be easy, and I am not as confident as I would be if we lived in a real democracy like we had under Bill Clinton or even Ronald Reagan where people cast real votes that were really read by real machines with real records.

However Karl Rove and Co. do not want to get caught and go to jail, because once that happens it is game over. So there are rules they have to follow. Rove skirted the rules in 2004, but he won't risk as much just for a Republica Congress. W. can veto or pardon almost anything, and Pelosi has promised no impeachments.

Plus, the Dems are on the right track, raising money and spending it wisely, getting out the vote. And I have yet to see an enthusiastic GOP base. The morals base still hasnt forgiven W. for Meyers or for campaigning on No Gay Marriage and then trying to gut Social Security or for what he did not do for NOLA. Plus, I don't think that the Morals Base is going to be all that happy to participate in E-vote fraud to keep the Congress Republican. Terra doesnt work the way it use to. That leaves the socio-ecnomic Repubicans and there are only so many of them.

So, I predict the Dems win the House on election night and after some court challenges, they get the Senate. Just keep fighting and anyone who asks say "Yes, the Republicans will probably use some election fraud. They always do. But we can overwhelm them through sheer numbers."
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