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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:44 PM
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What are "San Francisco values", anyways?
What is it that the RW pundits hate about San Fran? I'm perplexed.

Is it the Sourdough bread they don't like or the cable cars or the Golden Gate bridge? Maybe it's the Spanish-sounding name that sets them off? No, that's not it. San Antonio doesn't get the same scorn.

Is it because San Francisco is the second most densely populated city in the US? Nah, that can't be it.

Is it that they've survived almost complete disaster in the 1906 earthquake and fire and rebuilt themselves? Or that NONE of San Fran's banks failed during the Great Depression? Hmm, don't think so, they usually admire stuff like that.

I know, it must be the famous neighborhoods. Like Fisherman's Wharf or Nob Hill or the Mission District, the Embarcadero or Haight-Ashbury. All those rich and poor people mingling. Can't have that.

Haight-Ashbury? Oh, yeah, I remember now, the hippies. That's where they all gathered. Wow, what a dangerous bunch of violent extremists they were. And they grew up to be some of the best artists, writers, entrepreneurs and educators the country has today.

Oh, I know, it's the gay culture. All them Homasexyou-alls. They're ruining the city!

Oh, really? How so? Has it burned to the ground since the gays moved in? Has God smited it for being the new Sodom? I see no evidence of it. They just seem to be part of the mix.

Here are some comments about San Francisco from some people you've probably heard of:

"I never saw so many well-dressed, well-fed, business-looking Bohemians in my life." ~ Oscar Wilde,
1882, about the San Francisco Bohemian Club


"The Bay Area is so beautiful, I hesitate to preach about heaven while I'm here. "
~Billy Graham


"I fell in love with the most cordial and sociable city in the Union."

"I have always been rather better treated in San Francisco than I actually deserved."

Mark Twain


"Chicago is the great American city, New York is one of the capitals of the world, and Los Angeles is a constellation of plastic; San Francisco is a lady"
~ Norman Mailer,
author and frequent visitor


"But oh, San Francisco! It is and has everything~
you wouldn't think that such a place as San Francisco could exist.
The lobsters, clams,crabs. Oh,Cat, what food for you. And all the people are open and friendly."
~ Dylan Thomas , poet


"The ultimate for me would be one perfect day in San Francisco. There's no city like it anywhere. And, if I could be there with the girl of my dreams, that would be the ultimate!"~Larry King, talk show host


"San Francisco has only one drawback. ''Tis hard to leave"
Rudyard Kipling


Seems to me the rest of America should be so lucky to have such values.






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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:46 PM
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1. Homeless people
and filthy sidewalks? :shrug:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:51 PM
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3. That has something to do with those who run our state.
There are some things that cities can't control. Also, the homeless do gravitate to those places where they can get some services and the bleeding heart liberals there do try to help them.

San Francisco still has a Free Clinic in Haight Ashbury.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:59 PM
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7. Actually, we have an entire network of free clinics
http://www.dph.sf.ca.us/chn/healthcenters.htm

Also, while you're at it, check out this Time article about San Francisco's Latest Innovation: Universal Health Care.

I've lived in the city of San Francisco for about five years now and plan to never leave. This is the only place I've lived where I ever truly felt 'at home'. It's not a perfect city, but I love it dearly all the same.

Oh, and I just discovered a flock of parrots living in my neighborhood. Don't that beat all? :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:02 AM
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11. I didn't know that!
It's been almost a decade since I was there. I knew about the HA one because I was trying to get some people interested here in my county to do something like this, but no one is interested.

Great for San Francisco. :thumbsup:
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:06 AM
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15. HA used to be independent, but is now part of the consortium
It's really interesting how they've organized. The umbrella organization is able to coordinate very large federal, state and local grants to fund all the individual community clinics. They also help organize everybody so that they don't duplicate services and so they can refer patients on from the clinics to the county hospital for more critical care.

If you were interested, I'm sure somebody there would LOVE to talk to you about organizing similarly in your county. I've worked with parts of the organization and I found them all to be absolutely terrific people.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:09 AM
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19. Yes, let me put that on the back burner until after the elections.
I will PM you in the future though about this.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:14 AM
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23. No prob!
I totally understand about wanting to focus. :)
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:10 AM
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66. Ah, the parrots
I love the parrots. :) Have you seen The Parrots of Telegraph Hill yet? If not, rent it; it's a really enjoyable documentary.

I work at the Embarcadero Center and the flock hangs out and plays in the trees next to my building. They're really something to watch.

:hi:
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:17 AM
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88. you must live near Coit Tower...
you suck! Great area. There's a documentary out there about the parrots in SF
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:24 AM
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98. Have you seen "The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill" (a movie) yet?
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 10:28 AM by Tesha
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:18 AM
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31. The homeless live in SF because of the
weather....I know if I were homeless, I would move there. Never too hot and never too cold.

I lived there for going on 15 years....best years of my life. What a glorious city. What a tolerant city. I miss her so....yeah, my heart is probably hanging out around Golden Gate Park.

People who say nasty things about SF are just plain stupid...or they have absolutely no taste, no feeling, or no sense of joy.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:24 AM
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37. We had a homeless problem in Santa Monica too when I lived
there. But there were people who put food out for them everyday in front of city hall. The police were tolerant of them sleeping on the beach and using the outdoor showers. None of us wanted to treat them like pariah so they stayed around.

I understand though that now they are being driven out by the nouveau riche yuppies who have moved in and replaced us mostly working class types who have moved on.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:38 AM
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46. It's effin cold here in SF.
Actually the homeless flock to where I lived up until two years ago, Santa Cruz, where temperatures are mild, the scenery is gorgeous, and where the homeless are well taken care of. Here in SF, not so much.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:22 AM
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70. Hasn't been too cold yet this year. My flowers are still
scorching in the heat.

My friend Keith lives out on the beach. He says he came here for the weather and has no plans to leave. Let's see if the Mayor's goon squad agrees with him.

A great resource for homeless issues is the Coalition on Homelessness. They're in the book and have a lot of support from our progressive supervisors, especially Chris.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:02 PM
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110. I remember leaving leftovers from dinner parties outside w/
paper plates and utensils for the homeless...the next morning everything would be gone. I always hoped the meal was enjoyable.

You never know what the future holds....and if I am ever hungry, I hope someone will share with me.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:49 PM
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2. Thanks for the compliments.
I'm not a S. F. native, but I spent time there occasionally visiting the relatives who are natives. I think those people are jealous because they can't live there. You have to be very special to be able to live in S. F..
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:08 AM
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18. Never been there myself
But I had an aunt who lived in Torrance who used to visit the city every chance she could. She loved it there and spent her vacations there.

I remember her telling stories about how much she loved the place and how different it was from L.A.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:12 AM
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21. Actually, when I used to go up there, I didn't hang around
the city that much. I liked going to the places across the bay like Tiburon, Mill Valley, San Rafael and all those places that surrounded the bay.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:51 PM
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4. Those RW motherfuckers go to San Fran any chance they can get
to sightsee. It's one of the coolest places on earth, smart people live there. That's why it's so blue.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:00 AM
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9. The RW mofos LOVE to come to San Francisco and go to the
strip clubs. The attitude is very relaxed. So I hear.

And then they complain about how degenerate the city is... with all those gays and such.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:40 AM
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49. lately there has been several sexual assaults in the Castro
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:40 AM
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51. "So I hear"
LOL
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:08 AM
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63. If you want to see naked ladies,
come to Portland, OR.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:53 PM
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5. it's a code word for gay EOM
,
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confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-26-06 11:58 PM
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6. Driving around town in a convertible with top down and the heater turned on,
as Herb Caen used to say. The best Mexican cafeterias anywhere like Pancho Villas in the Mission, the cheapest while still classy hotels, a walk on Stockton St. through Chinatown on a weekend afternoon. Art Exhibitions at the Palace of the Legion of Honor. The bakeries (boulangeries) all over town. MacWorld Expo in January. Pac Bell or whatever Park.
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Lautremont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:00 AM
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8. "If you're ever in trouble in San Francisco, don't
go to the cops." - Pauline Kael

Appropos of nothing, I suppose, but I thought this advice might come in handy for someone out there. I should add for the record that I find San Francisco very convivial and pleasant; but then, I'm not a Republican. I'm not even a Democrat. I'm Canadian.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:01 AM
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10. I was there once when I was checking out Berkeley.
Didn't care for the college, but the town was amazing. Plus, it's the home of Norton I... what's not to love!
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:04 AM
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12. The Parking and Traffic Sucks
And the sidewalks are gross, but other than that, there's nothing wrong with the City.
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:05 AM
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13. You know what I like about San Francisco?
EVERYTHING







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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:06 AM
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14. It's simple.... It represents freedom to many and that...
is anathma to a conservatives mind...
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:07 AM
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16. SF is a financial center, the city with the most wi-fi hot-spots, there's...
a great deal of tolerance there, progressive attitudes toward renewables, beautiful fresh air, all
the yada-yada stuff, culture, art, theater, money, people; very dense living environ...but you do
not to want to get the feeling it is an 'easy' city in which to live, that will be your downfall :cry:
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:12 AM
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20. I Think Mountain View Has More WiFi Now
Google just wired the ENTIRE city with free wifi! It's very convenient! (And the City is only 45 minutes away.)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:14 AM
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25. perhaps...
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:17 AM
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30. MV is a SF 'Burb, for Non-Bay Areans
We're on the same peninusula ... technically it's a 'burb, though MV is an old city (unlike Scummyvale).
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:21 AM
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35. i'm in sacto, but we have bizz all through the bay area, were just over...
this afternoon for a little compliance gig @ oakland international as a for instance, know where MV is ;) & drive through there routinely :hi:
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thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:08 AM
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17. Living here
I happen to think the city is WAY WAY overrated but thats just my opinion. Maybe they don't like the health care and preschool for all thing.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:13 AM
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22. some of the highest rents in the nation
sorry but I for one was priced out of SF

but if I could afford it, I'd move back

love Gavin!

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:20 AM
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32. That's why a lot of people can't live there, but they live in
surrounding areas and commute. I was invited to lunch on one of my visits to a couple's house that was up in the hills overlooking the bay, friends of a friend of mine. (It was years ago and I don't remember exactly where because I was picked up in a Limo and driven there.)

The house was very small with a very small yard and the houses seemed crowded to me on that hill, however, it was impeccably decorated with art works and antiques. I found out later that those properties were valued in the millions and that's back when property wasn't that expensive even in Beverly Hills.

This couple were both executives of their companies so they worked hard but lived well.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:22 AM
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36. Oh, yes, the "Gentrification Effect"
I hear now that London is having a crisis for the same reason. Seems that London rents and mortgages are so high now that essential personnel like cops and nurses can no longer afford to live there.

And the costs and hassle of commuting make it even harder to attract these workers.

And that's not even mentioning the difficulty of getting janitors, retail clerks or utility workers to come there.

I think the same thing is happening to San Francisco.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:05 AM
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61. Same here
Lived there for twenty years. I am so homesick, but can no longer afford to live there. :cry:
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Stargleamer Donating Member (636 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:14 AM
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24. Isn't sharing with others a hearty meal of Rice-a-roni. . .
a value worth having?
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:14 AM
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26. I think it involves trollies. - n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:15 AM
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27. it's the bridge. they value bridges. n/t
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:16 AM
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28. Pulease...
San Francisco = NAMBLA

Northeast values = Jews

Hollywood values = Jews

Welfare reform = Niggers

Public schools = Heathens

Besides, right-wing Harold Ford wants to ravage your white women.

Get with the Rush Limbaugh program already. That's where the MONEY is.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:20 AM
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34. What's Northeastern Liberal translate to?
You pretty much have the other terms pegged. :)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:36 AM
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44. "Taxachusetts"
Another misconception, because Massachusetts is NOT the highest taxed (That would be Nevada, according to federal income tax burden).
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:38 AM
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47. Ah, of course. I should've gotten that one.
I like this game. :)
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gumby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:10 AM
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86. There's no difference between
'Northeast' and 'Northwestern Liberal.'

Just ask Pat Buchanan, or his sister Bay.
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:58 AM
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82. Exactly. It's the tolerance of gays that gets their panties in a wad
But there is no more beautiful sight than SF City Hall at night:


This picture doesn't begin to capture it.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:17 AM
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29. They beat the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game in 94
For that I can't forgive them.

I still want to go there one day...
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:30 AM
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40. I remember the game where Joe Montana
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 12:31 AM by femrap
threw to Dwight Clark for 'The Catch' and beat Dallas in the NFC Championship. What year was that? 1981? And we went on to win the Superbowl which was January, 1982? Do I have the years right?

That was really fun. Ronnie Lott, Roger Craig, Mike Wilson...I still have tapes of 49er games...should put them on eBay.

Now all the players are thugs...so I quit watching. I'm a political junkie now.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:40 AM
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50. I forgive them for that, partly because that was before I moved to Dallas
and partly because that catch was just so damn good it was worth it.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:20 AM
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33. A studio apartment for under $1200,
dinner and a movie for less than $75.

Those would qualify as "values" in SF!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:40 AM
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52. Well, we found a 1 bdrm under $1k three years ago.
And have done dinner and a movie for under $50 for two. But, it is easy to spend money here.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:51 AM
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58. Wow, what part of town?
My last place in Oakland was affordable, but shot up with tranny hookers working the stoop.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #58
64. The beach. I think if you look, you can still find something for
right around there -- and the market is going to go south for a while, to boot.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:10 AM
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65. That's encouraging
I have a job offer for summer in the city but I'm wary to plunge into that market again...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:14 AM
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68. Sure. But you know, when DUers were opening those huge
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 01:14 AM by sfexpat2000
heating bills last winter -- hundreds of dollars! -- my electricity bill was $60 max.

We pay for temp control, too, but we call it "rent". :)

/oops
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:19 AM
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69. I'm in the Central Valley
climate control without the extra rent... but the downside is you breathe pesticide all day and night and live cheek-by-jowl with cranksters and worse, Republicans!
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:22 AM
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71. I don't even want to tell you what I pay for a 1BD in Noe Valley
for fear someone will come fight me for the place. :D

I got very, very lucky after several years of struggling as a single mom and had a fabulous apartment drop into my lap that was well under market. They'll have to carry me out in a pine box to get me out of here.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:24 AM
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72. One of those San Francisco miracles
Armistead Maupin should tell your story!
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:30 AM
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73. Heh
I'll send him a proposal. ;)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:55 AM
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106. I hope you guys have some kind of rent control or a new
owner could drop a bomb on you when he takes over.
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Der Blaue Engel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:16 PM
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108. The entire city has rent control
There are loopholes of course, such as evicting for owner move-in, then putting it back on the market after the minimum time the owner or relative has to live there, and jacking the price up to whatever you want. But you can't just buy a building and raise the rent or evict people.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:34 AM
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100. "New Fortune" dim sum on Stockton, just north of the tunnel.
Dinner *FOR TWO* for about $5-$7 or so.

Tesha
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:26 AM
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38. The late, great Herb Caen called her
"Baghdad by the Bay" and "Paris of the West."

'nuff said.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:39 AM
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48. "Paris of the Pacific"
:)
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:05 AM
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62. Eh...
I never liked Herb Caen, anyway.

:silly:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:10 AM
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67. Once his comment on my husband's stand up was
"And, Doug, the microphone was ON."

lol
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:34 AM
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78. "Baghdad by the Bay"
Sorry, had to!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 09:22 AM
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95. LOL! You know this site is being monitored, don't you?
:)
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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:29 AM
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39. I live just across the Bay from "The City" ...
and love going there as often as possible. Foghorns, clanging cable car bells, smells of Chinatown, Northbeach, Japantown all mixed into one. Of course, 'they' are jealous. Taking the ferry to the city and strolling around Market St. and Union Square just doesn't get any better. Rummaging around bookstores, wandering through museums and shopping at the Farmers Market at the Ferry Plaza on the weekends is nirvana. I have to pinch myself to believe that I ACTUALLY LIVE HERE!!

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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:32 AM
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41. that's a great pic, did you take it i like it...
:bounce: :hi:
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:32 AM
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42. I was just there, in SF
Flew back to the midwest on a noon flight today. I could live there! (Of course, I'm originally from NYC.) There's nothing I dislike about SF except of course the real estate prices.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:34 AM
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43. San Francisco is the jewel of California.
I lived in SF from 1992 off-and-on thru 2001. I loved living there, and had wished to live there forever, but it got to be too impossible to live there in the mid 90s to early 2000s. Rent, and all.

I am so happy that I spent the majority of my 20's in San Francisco. Just because it was great, and I had an amazing time. I'm not gay, either, LOL. Sadly, some people say "You once lived in San Francisco? You must be a gay or sump'n".

San Francisco is not perfect, but no city is. San Francisco is a beautiful city! And, I love the attitude of San Franciscans. Full of attitude, ready to verbally smack you down, yet so nonchalant.
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Jane Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:37 AM
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45. SF values appear to be a long marriage to your college sweetheart,
raising five great kids, being a grandma and being a nice Catholic girl.

Care to compare that to, oh, I don't know . . . Newt Gingrich?

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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:41 AM
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79. Funny you should say that
Because Mr. Newt's comments inspired me to write this post after I heard him talking with Laura Ingraham.

As if Newt should be talking about "values" with his track record....
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Red Right and BLUE Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:44 AM
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53. This makes me miss it SO much.
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 12:44 AM by Red Right and BLUE
I lived in San Rafael. There are some really charming old small towns in that area. And the cliffs and HUGE trees! *sigh*

And I miss the Japanese Tea Garden at Golden Gate Park. Very pricey! But Orange County is no better.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:44 AM
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54. Think Of The Reddest Of Red Places, Then Turn Around, Put A Flower In Your Hair...
and make it happen all over again.



Peace...

:hippie:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:33 AM
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76. You're gonna meet.. some gentle people there...
Maybe a day gone by, but a good memory of what could have been....
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Beacho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:48 AM
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55. Aaaagh! Sf is the city of my birth
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 12:49 AM by Beacho
and they are the same values that everyone else has, from time immemorial.

There are thousands of people that have/do live in SF that are the same as anyone else trying to get through their lives.


I'M REALLY GETTING SICK OF THESE PUKES PUTTING DOWN ONE OF THE GREATEST CITIES ON THIS CONTINENT!!!!


AAAAARGH!!!!

FU!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:49 AM
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56. You forgot....Tony Bennett
I left my heart in San Francisco.....
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:03 AM
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60. Pure poetry, that song...
The loveliness of Paris seems somehow sadly gay
The glory that was Rome is of another day
I've been terribly alone and forgotten in Manhattan
I'm going home to my city by the Bay

I left my heart in San Francisco
High on a hill, it calls to me
To be where little cable cars climb halfway to the stars
The morning fog may chill the air, I don't care

My love waits there in San Francisco
Above the blue and windy sea
When I come home to you, San Francisco
Your golden sun will shine for me

*sigh*
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:50 AM
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57. And surfers. Every morning when I walk the beach
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 12:53 AM by sfexpat2000
there's a bunch of these guys. I love the whole city but I'd settle for just Ocean Beach with all the surfers and students and painters and dog walkers. :)



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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:39 AM
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101. The once and future...
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 10:44 AM by Tesha




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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 11:07 AM
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105. What a funny cultural fly paper we are. Lol.
Nice shot of the Baths.
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:02 AM
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59. I grew up in "the city"
The most beautiful city in the world. 49 square miles of the best views you have ever seen. I grew up 1 block from the exact dead center. I did the Haight Ashbury thing, speedway meadeows, the Blue Unicorn, the Avalon, Fillmore, Fillmore west, Big Brother, Janis Joplin, Greatful Dead, Altamont, peoples park, communes, the whole nine yards. Then the speed freaks came. The Haight turned into a psyco ward and the "summer of love" turned to shit. Later, we got the dot com yuppies, "gentrifying" affordable housing with their arrogance, then we got the dot com bust "thank God because those were the most arrogant assholes on earth. They would do things like crossing off people on reastraunt lists that were ahead of them so they could get a seat sooner. They all thought they were "important" until their jobs were shipped to India. Now, they drive cabs and are greatful for the job.

Personally, I moved to San Jose and the only reason I go to "The City" is if I recieve a summons. There is no parking and the city is filled with homeless people. It ain't what it used to be.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:30 AM
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74. I grew up in Sunnyvale, next to San Jose when there was no
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 01:31 AM by sfexpat2000
there there.

There's still no there in Sunnyvale, probably never will be but San Jose is looking much better.

San Francisco is having a renaissance. The Haight is much better than it was ten years ago, there are people working with the homeless -- as opposed to working ON them, which seems to be Newsom's strategy -- and the neighborhoods seem to be having meetings and things.

The progressive community here is stronger than it's been in a long, long time. Looking good.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:32 AM
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75. Thats where I was born and raised!
I love it there! It is beautiful and the people there are beautiful. It is truly a great melting pot!
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:34 AM
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77. $746,000
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:55 AM
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81. For a Condo!
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:52 AM
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80. Been here 11 years, but moving back to the south, to the country.
But, DAMN, will I ever miss San Francisco. Like Tony Bennett, I'll leave my heart here too. Where else in the world can a gay country boy forget he's queer because no one, but no one, cares if you're gay. That's something I'll never lose. Now I can go home and not give a damn who has a problem with my sexuality.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 04:54 PM
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109. 'Tis true. You can be as gay as you want here
just don't take my parking space, dammit! :evilgrin:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 01:59 AM
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83. They hate us for our Rice-A-Roni. nt
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:01 AM
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84. we're generally willing to live and let live?
i mean you get that in many parts of the world, but it's taken to almost another level here. it's really odd to find someone following their bliss and having a long string of brow beatings and furious whispers follow in their wake. people genuinely find no need to hassle you overtly for being who you are. it's a rather refreshing social atmosphere that way.

maybe that laid back attitude and openness to diversity is what is frightening? don't really understand why. people are often quite cool if you just give 'em a chance to be themselves. overbearing conformity tends to be such a buzzkill, y'know?
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:03 AM
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85. I think I know
Being married to the same person for over 30 years.
Still being healthy and active after hitting senior citizen age, sexy even ;-)
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fleabert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:15 AM
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87. I consider myself lucky to live here- since Jan 06- texas expat!
I adore this area, and love love love the city! Everyone should make it a point to visit at least once.

a little off-kilter view of Coit Tower. One of my favorite places


the bridge...

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 02:34 AM
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89. Nah. Northern California sucks.
That's why everybody and his bastard brother bob wants to move here.

Reminds me of a good article in this Month's Vanity Fair, makes an excellent read when you're sitting in your volvo munching brie and sipping latte, planning this year's "war on Christmas":

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/11/wol...

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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:25 AM
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93. That article in Vanity Fair was great!
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threadkillaz Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 03:43 AM
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90. uhhh...
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DaveT Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:01 AM
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91. The only SF value I didn't apreciate
was that of a gallon of gasoline. That is outrageous.

Other than that, I loved living there and I love visiting there now. If I could find work again there, I'd go back tomorrow. The wingnut myths about the City are fucking hilarious.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:23 AM
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92. Because of the OMGZ HOMOSEKSHULS!!!!
Seriously, that's it. The city is perceived as the epicenter of the "homosexual agenda" and emanates waves and ungoodness to everyone else. It's their Emmanuel Goldstein, a good way to focus the hate of all the dupes that the neocons sucker in with scary talk about gays so that they can go fight some more wars.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 06:36 AM
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94. Too Shaky & Quaky? Dunno!
Seems to me that one city in the U.S. is pretty much like another. Different buildings, different accents, but big cities are not all that dissimilar. People are people, after all.
The Professor
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 09:23 AM
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96. A very thinly veiled homophobic/anti-liberal bullshit statement.
Edited on Fri Oct-27-06 09:24 AM by spanone
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:12 AM
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97. I thought it was the public transit.
Those cool cable cars and Caltrans...

Or maybe not.



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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:26 AM
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99. Awwww, they're just jealous
Because SF is so close to Oakland. :evilgrin:
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verse18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:42 AM
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102. I'd take "San Francisco values"
over "Washington D.C. (lack of) values" any day of the week.

I've never been to SF but the pics that have been posted here are absolutely beautiful.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:50 AM
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103. I know what Rep. Don Young (R-AK) would say to a HS student who asked that
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 10:53 AM
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104. It's become a codeword for gay in fundy theocon circles.
It becomes a shortcut to disparage those they hate. :(
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-27-06 12:16 PM
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107. Tolerance.
It's a dirty word for the GOP.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-28-06 08:37 PM
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111. ANYTHING goes
that's what they are implying...no morals, no decency. x(
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