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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:10 AM
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"Cut & Run" will be bush jr.'s "Read My Lips"
The war is going catastrophically south, and it looks like the only sensible thing to do is cut and run from it. bush may actually have to, and then won't he look like an idiot, like hid dad looked when he raised taxes after declaring repeatedly, "read my lips, no, new, taxes", the single phrase that brought him down.

Choke on cut and run warboy, choke on it.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:11 AM
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1. ain't that the truth!
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:12 AM
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2. He'll call it "Notify and walk" strategy. Very different from "Cut and run
:sarcasm:
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:22 AM
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8. OH ...
and make no mistake, as noted, they WILL package it in some innane way ... The Iraq Patriotism Relief Strategy, or whatever ... THEN, blame the Iraqis, the press, the liberals, the ACLU and whoever all else they can for it not being successful ... It will be noted as a GREAT american decision to liberate Iraqis from Saddam, and this president will deserve credit for a BOLD step, but the fact that they job wasn't finished will be because them there democrats LACKED THE WILL TO SEE IT THROUGH ...
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:16 AM
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3. Amazing isn't it?
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 09:29 AM by Jim4Wes
I mean the parallels between Poppy and Dopey are amazing.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:27 AM
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10. Ironic- Poppy's Influential friends will once again save Junior's
sorry ass (as inJames Baker's Iraq Group) for his biggest failure of all- fucking up the world, instead of one of his small, failed business efforts of years past. Junior was always able to 'fail upwards' thanks to his rich, influential Dad's powerful friends...

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:17 AM
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4. Dubya is much crazier than his dad, he has nuclear weapons as
...an option and he will use them without so much as a pang of guilt or remorse, so beware when we see the U.S. troops withdrawing from Baghdad and going south.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:20 AM
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5. "Stay the Course", "Stay the Course", "Stay the Course",
"Stay the Course"
"Stay the Course"
"Stay the Course"
"Stay the Course"

I think this will be the new "read my lips,...."

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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:21 AM
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6. and w got it from daddy
i remember daddybush using that phrase a million times.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:33 AM
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11. So I guess the comparative phrases are then
"Stay the course" is to "Read my Lips"

as

"Cut and Run" is to "No new taxes"
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Felix Mala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:22 AM
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7. NO DOUBT - If he could get the UN to take over - or find some US
friendly dictator to replace Saddam - he'd be out of there like a guy robbing a liquor store... Hey wait a minute... he is like a guy who robbed a liquor store!!!

Yep, the US can be proud of the First Class Second Rate job we did in Iraq.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:25 AM
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9. Defeaticans?
It would be funny if it weren't so stunningly sad.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:23 AM
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12. I doubt he plans to leave.
there are an unspecified number of options listed in the Baker Report. 2 of those, partitioning the country and phased withdrawal from Iraq, Bush has recently rejected. That leaves the "stability first" option. (there might be other options we haven't heard about, but this is one that is definitely mentioned) What does stability first mean? It means in the first place that democracy and the democratic shape of the currently dysfunctional Iraqi gov't is no longer important to our (Bushler's) policy. Our priority is to have a gov't in Iraq strong enough to control its own territory, democracy is an afterthought. The obstacle to the present gov't fulfilling that role is the majority-minority conflict between the Shia and Sunni. By imposing democracy we just inverted their dominant-subjugated relationship. That ignited a low grade civil war and has paralyzed the Iraqi gov't since it is presently bound by a constitutional and parliamentary framework in which the minority is represented just enough to monkeywrench the majority. So one suspects that pursuing a "stability first" policy in Iraq probably means we are about to back Maliki or some other representative of Iraq's majority Shia population in the traditional role of "strongman", a dictator who rules by fiat and threat of arrest and execution. Maliki, or the "New Saddam" whoever he is, will rule Iraq without democratic mandate. Instead, he will probably assert "emergency powers" and begin a governmental attempt to suppress the Sunni minority, to put down the Sunni insurrection with a superior level of violence that is supposed to convince them to put down their arms. He may employ Shia militia rather than the Iraqi Army for the worst of the violence. In the nature of things like this, the brunt of the counterinsurgent violence will fall upon the host population from which the insurgency derives its strength. Civilian casualties won't just be "collateral" but will be directly caused as part of the government's "persuasive case" that the Sunni people should stop supporting their armed militia and terrorist groups. In other words the horrific killing in Iraq may have just begun. Naturally the government's strategy will be to demonstrate that, since they are the gov't with a majority of the population and US funding, they can inflict death and destruction against the Sunni at a rate that the smaller Sunni terror cells cannot hope to match. Meanwhile we will not withdraw from Iraq. Bush's goal of planting the US flag in the center of the world's oil patch is much too important to him and his faction to give up just because some Arabs are killing each other, and he will have many quiet supporters for maintaining US military dominance of the Persian Gulf within the Democratic Party. Although we will express regret about the level of violence "necessary to restore order in Iraq", we won't be trying to stop the Shia on Sunni violence, instead we will be funding it, and from time to time directly supporting it with air strikes. Our troops will probably be pulled back into their bases--at least they will be pulled out of the cities--rather than get in the middle of a hot civil war, which in the irony typical of Republican policy language, is what "stability first" almost certainly means.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:25 AM
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13. true, logic has never gotten in their way for war
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:27 AM
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14. Maybe stability first doesn't mean civil war but
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 11:31 AM by kenny blankenship
it certainly means a dictatorship of the Shia. Supposedly senior Republicans are adamant about not going into 2008 elections with us still at war in Iraq--which argues for withdrawal. But, we built those bases in Iraq for a permanent presence. If we actually left Iraq where does our huge armed camp in the Persian Gulf go? Kuwait? We can't go back to Saudi Arabia, the need to get out of Saudi Arabia was one of the reasons we invaded Iraq in the first place. Kuwait is rather small and isolated. I think they'll want to hang on in Iraq, hang onto the bases if nothing else to prevent an overt Iranian takeover.
Stability first might mean that the Sunni militia are brought into some negotiations to see if they can be pacified by concessions on their list of grievances. But the number one issue between the two sides--aside from the irreconcilable doctrinal difference between the two branches of Islam and the ancient grudge between overdog and underdog--is the sharing of oil revenues. And if we are formally giving up on the idea of a democratic state in which the Sunni minority participates along with the Shia majority, it's difficult to see how there will be a new willingness on the Shia side to share the wealth when they have their dictatorship recognized and funded by us.
How a hot civil war can be avoided under a Shia dictatorship--with previously rejected options like partition not allowed back onto the table--beats me. Presumably Baker and the Iraq Study Group understand all these risks better than I do and yet somehow they believe that an intensification of the conflict will allow it to be "wrapped up" before Nov. 2008. I wouldn't bet that way though. Or at least they believe by "redeploying" back to base within Iraq we will no longer have a daily body bag count of American GIs, so the war issue will be neutralized politically.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:50 AM
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15. Stay the course for 2 more years and then someone....
...gets clean up after Bush and gets spun with the blame for losing. That's Bush's 'stay the course' strategy.
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