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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:52 PM
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To be clear, Senators, what you have to lose by not filibustering:
There's an axiom in marketing that it's the "Enthusiasts" who drive sales and innovation. The notion of what is worthy of attention or even excitement (when it comes from the customer base, and not fabricated by some ad writer) comes from the people most passionately involved, whether it be bicycling, shoes, or high-fiber breakfast cereals.

What the party has to lose by not filibustering is the opportunity to call the Bush's bluff on the limitlessness of his power. To say, "I call, and I raise." In other words, to show up and do the work of being a real opposition party, towards which Democrats have been working with increasing skill and intelligence for the last five years. This is the moment we've been working for.

To pass on this opportunity is to release the very carefully built-up steam out of the pushback against creeping anti-Constitutionalism, and to misuse one of the party's crucial assets: their passionate citizen base, especially on the internet, and perhaps most especially DU (though I don't want to debate the size of DU's share of the blogospheric credit/blame).

Yeah, we'll still show up and vote for them. But how hot will the fire burn amongst their supporters (especially the "enthusiasts") to feel like real winners, who can promote a message that sells itself, when it comes time to mobilize every possible occasional voter?


And to be completely honest, my own preference would be to filibuster IN ORDER TO trigger the nuclear option. Then walk out of the State of the Union speech. Tell the American people:


"We didn't do this to break the government. We did this because the government is already broken, and it's broken because that's what the Republicans have been trying to do. Cut the minority completely out of the picture, disable the two party system, and let the 'tyranny of the majority' that our founding fathers feared take over. Disable the checks and balances of the three branches of government, first by gaining and holding controlling majorities in both houses of Congress by whatever means necessary, regardless of established ethics, and also by creating a Supreme Court that is reluctant to question the Executive branch. And finally, to change the historic rules of the Senate, the world's greatest deliberative body, so that by getting just a single vote over 50%, they can force a choice onto 100% of the American people.

"It is time to stand up to these anti-Constitutional tendencies and say, No. We believe in the wisdom of the Constitution, with its three equal branches of government, and will not let them be undone. To say, No, never before in American history has fear caused us to turn our back on the Constitution, and we will not let it be done now.

"President Bush has his opportunity tonight to tell the American people what he sees as the state of our union. We want it to be clear to the American people that no man, no president, can use the threats that face America to say that we should weaken essential American liberties. Because anyone who believes that threats justify weakening our liberties, in the end only weakens America. If fact, America is strongest when it stays true to itself. To its liberties, to its founders' vision, and to its innate ability to withstand any attack or foe, without flinching."



Seize the moment, or be seized by it. We have nothing to fear, but fear itself.



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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:53 PM
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1. Oh God, Bleever. I still BELIEVE.
Peace.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:56 PM
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I knew that you did.
Peace to you as well.

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:54 PM
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2. You, sir, are perfectly correct
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:55 PM
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3. What he/she said!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:57 PM
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5. he/she!
I take that as a compliment.

:)
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SledDriver Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:56 PM
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4. Powerful! K&R
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:58 PM
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6. Very correct
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 11:01 PM by Patsy Stone
and well stated. :thumbsup:

K&R.

:yourock:

ed: because you rock!
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:04 PM
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7. The Rubicon of mindset
fixed by powerful successful careers in our "great" institutions and myths, wrapped in law and service and decency as the GOP wraps dead fish in the flag.

What they THINk they are and were and naturally what they believe the nation and their colleagues and the media and the people are is facing a supreme crisis and test partly of their making by a thousand small surrenders, deals with denial, hoping for love in all the wrong places.

And when they cross that Rubicon it just begins. Caesar knew what he was doing. He took the risk. We have a contentious committee without that kind of fascist ambition.

I don't think that we see what it is all about or the implications except that it must be tried and very likely won't unless the Dems feel themselves absolutely compelled. I hope they do, but they should have felt this long ago and acted upon it.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:15 PM
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10. Thank you for this response. It get to the heart of the moment they face.
A thousand small surrenders, hoping for love in all the wrong places.

The frog of democracy was gently placed into a pot of cool water, and has been slowly heater higher and higher.

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tnlefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:14 PM
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8. K & R!
Well said. :dem:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:14 PM
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9. "The Enthusiasts" are where's it's at. We're a part of that set.
And, of course, it makes no sense whatsoever for them not to filibuster, unless you're in the "cat bird seat" for the rest of your life whether you win or lose the next election. Check out continuation of benefits, pensions, etc., oops, forgot, salary increases, on average, after leaving the House; or just the absolute wealth of the average Senator.

"We don't care, we don't have to."

They better do this.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:17 PM
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12. Gore's picture in your sig line says it: Go big. Or just go home.
:thumbsup:
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:36 AM
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41. Go big baby...bleev!!!!!!
If they don't filibuster, I say that behind the new progressive party, whether it's an internal take over of the Democrats or a successful version Democratic Bull Moose effort.

One tactical move might be to recall a prominent Senator who failed to support a filibuster, e.g., Feinstein or LIEberman. That would do it. Rattle some cages. Shake it up.

In the mean time, you're right Go big. Or just go home.
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:16 PM
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11. Thurs NYT Ed. page says filibuster
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baby_bear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:21 PM
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13. I wish I had written that.
I'm in awe, bleever.

I hope it gets plagiarized into many letters to many senators!

b_b

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:26 PM
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14. Please cut and paste at will! It's not plagiarism, it's networking.
I was just trying to find words for what I know a lot of people at DU are feeling.

Not everyone. But anyone who feels likewise is invited to use the words that help express their own mind.

:thumbsup:
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:46 PM
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16. "without flinching" - that word... the repubs are flinching in the face of
a threat. Willing to fold up and throw out the Constitution.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:50 PM
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17. Ding! You condensed the original post perfectly.
Thanks!

:thumbsup:
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samhsarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:35 PM
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15. One of the best posts I ever read!
K&R!
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:53 PM
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18. I NEEDED THIS BLEEVER! Thank you so much!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:58 PM
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19. SSSHHH!
Easy with the caps, helderheid! They might hear us!


:rofl:


:hug:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:18 AM
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26. heeeeeeeeee!
shhhhhhhhh hehehheheh shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:13 AM
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58. THEY NEED TO HEAR US!
Before it's too late!
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PuppyBismark Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:00 AM
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20. Showing weakness on Alito, shows Dems are just plain weak
Now matter what we say here, national security is a big issue with the country. Dems keeping showing that they are wimps, have no backbone, will not fight when needed. Why would someone think they would protect the country? If the Dem senators just showed some courage, maybe they would convince more people we could lead in a time of war.

But.... No, we have no backbone, we just whine and bitch, but do nothing. Carl Rove is laughing all the way to the next election.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:04 AM
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22. Welcome to DU, PuppyBismark.
Time for Harry Reid to surprise the Repubs with another show of spine. It freaks them out.

And pointing out the the Repubs cave on the Constitution when they can't catch a cave-dweller is, I would say, a winning issue.

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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:06 AM
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53. You are reciting repub talking points, nearly word for word.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:18 PM
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63. Ya, I find
myself suspicious of those who spout Repub talking points word-for-word with low post counts and disabled user profiles...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:04 AM
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21. Thanks for this; I flat out love your words and sentiment, bleever.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:06 AM
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23. amen and preach on!
k/r
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:07 AM
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24. First Thurgood Marshall avatar I've seen.
Excellent!

:thumbsup:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:58 AM
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30. My hero, he and Clarence Darrow

Thanks!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:16 AM
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25. Bleef is a powerful force.
I bleev. :patriot:

(Okay Bro, "creepy"... :hi:)

NGU.


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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:38 AM
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27. I bleev.
Extremely well-written! :applause:
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:53 AM
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28. Thank you so much for this outstanding post. Recommended.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:56 AM
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29. Final thought and kick, "Leave It To Bleever." !
I think he's got it!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:58 AM
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31. I bleeve, too.
:applause: :applause: :applause:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:00 AM
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32. Good, I feel so believed
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 01:00 AM by upi402
ahhhhhh
relieved
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:01 AM
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33. K+R
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:05 AM
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34. Way Ta Go Bleever !!! - Perfectly Said !!! (K & R)
Could not agree more!!!

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

:kick:

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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:07 AM
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35. Standin O, bleever, hear, hear
Everybody hear! Not only is what you suggest the right, it is the politically expedient thing to do. The nation craves a revolution, or at least a choice.
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:28 AM
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40. PBS aired a show about Thomas Jefferson tonight, and
I only caught the last thirty minutes of it. He feared that Americans would lose their revolutionary spirit.

Still believin' we can turn this country around!








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JanusAscending Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:08 AM
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36. While getting ready for work today.....
I had to pull myself away from the "tube" for a few minutes, and I heard one Repuke tell us to "bring it on" in re to the fillibuster. I'm a woman, and to me "thems fightin' words!! How can any man with an ounce of machismo hear those words spoken and not have FLAMES COMING OUT OF HIS NOSTRILS?????????? My constant prayer is that this gives them some "balls" and SHUT IT DOWN!! Did anyone see who made that comment? It sounded at first like it was Spector, but when I ran into the LR to see who was talking, Allen was up at the podium by then. DC
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madmadmad Donating Member (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:14 AM
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37. thanks for a bright spot, bleever- well said.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:14 AM
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38. Thank you! K&R.
Peace.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:19 AM
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39. "A filibuster is a radical tool. It's easy to see why Democrats are ...
... frightened of it. But from our perspective, there are some things far more frightening. One of them is Samuel Alito on the Supreme Court."

New York Times Editorial of January 26, 2006:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/opinion/26thur1.html?...


Correct.


Peace.
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realFedUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:05 AM
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55. I agree with that line
and with Bleev's post
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LeahD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:45 AM
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42. I can see Jimmy Stewart walking out of the State of the Union speech and
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 02:46 AM by LeahD
passionately saying those lines. Applause erupts from the crowd gathered on the steps.
The camera slowly pulls back, until we're left with an aerial view of DC, credits roll.
:popcorn:

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Helga Scow Stern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:51 AM
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43. blee-leve-it!
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freedomfries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:32 AM
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44. well said bleever!
:yourock:
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:56 AM
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45. Re: SOTU walk out -- Send them invitations!


For two-up printable go to january6th.org/files/InvitesSOTU.jpg
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 06:59 AM
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46. Great thread!
It's time for the democratic "leadership" to tecognize that there can no longer be "business as usual." It is a luxury that we can not afford. I'm not interested in the call for a walk-out at the State of the Union address, largely because on a scale of zero to a million, there is zero chance of it happening .... and also because it is merely symbolic at a time when the leadership has the ability to take real steps .... and engage in meaningful actions.

A few of the folks on tv have said that the democrats should get by the Alito business, and focus on things more in their favor, like Abramoff. That is foolishness. The same system that produces Abramoff promotes Alito. The two are not separate; the issues involved are not distinct.

Now is the time for the democrats to expect those in the House and Senate to take meaningful steps, not to hope for a symbolic walk-out that will not happen. The grass-roots should be thinking about moving in the opposite direction: those in Washington shouldn't be encouraged to walk away from their responsibilities -- the grass roots should be encouraged to go to Washington to sit-in.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:02 AM
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47. You've captured the moment perfectly. If they filibuster and the
Republicans run with their "new-q-ler" option, we lose, but at the same time we win. You are so right.
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noalito Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:40 AM
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48. What?
What specifically do we win with the Nucyalear option? Alito and coathangers still end up on the court. All we get is a chance to flush out Salazar and maybe a few others who are creeps that let it happen... I'm not sure where the victory in all this is. I say...filibuster in the true tradition of the filibuster...Robert Byrd reading moby dick, etc. As long as he's reading and they can't vote for cloture. Sometimes having the onions to do something big will take a few days of drastic measures, I say that's what we go for here...

Then, if they don't...I'm all for the new American Progressive Party. We better have consequences for them this time or we'll forever be crying wolf when we demand action.

Just my $.02
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hippiegranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:42 AM
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49. this is soooooo right on!
If not now - when? They keep going along to get along and where has it gotten us so far? I'll tell you - further in the hole, with less and less power to fix the mess the deeper it gets. You can't lose when you're already playing in the negative!

If we trade freedom for security we'll have neither.

FILIBUSTER!!!!! It will feel GREAT!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:45 AM
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50. very well said
enthusiasm is like fuel, it is pretty hard to get anywhere without it.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:00 AM
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51. Bravo
:applause:
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:34 AM
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52. hmmm...
Thinking about calling Senators today and wondering whether the phone staffers would have the tolerance for me to read this in its entirety (or nearly)... i wonder if i asked them to record it if they would... any suggestions on who the most critical reps are? Or who might respond to this appeal best?


...little stickers...
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:50 AM
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54. A masterly analysis, bleever.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:09 AM
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56. marry me, bleever
i'm not kidding.

:loveya:

dg
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:39 PM
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60. Gosh, thanks Wolfie.
My wife already thinks I spend too much time blogging, so I doubt she'd go for bigamy, even in the name of saving democracy.

:)
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:11 PM
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62. well if she gives ya too much hassle
tell her that her replacement has her bags packed ready to move in. ;)

dg
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JHLerch Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:10 AM
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57. When the base goes Green
"Yeah, we'll still show up and vote for them."

If I waste my vote by being DEMO, I might as well waste it voting Green.
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Puglover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:22 AM
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59. Magnificent post.
And I've never said that before. Damn I wish I had wrote that.

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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:47 PM
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61. That was a superb speech.
Now you just need to run for office so we can hear it said loudly, proudly, and more often!

I'd sure love the opportunity to vote for anyone--with any (letter) after his/her name--who gave that speech. Instead, I get DiFi. :(
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:34 PM
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64. Well said.........
hopefully the Democratic, and maybe even a few Republican, Senators will listen. Everything is riding on this, everything.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:55 PM
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65. Kick
:kick:
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:12 PM
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66. you have expressed it well
this is a defining moment.

If the Democrats don't realize that, I think they will live to regret it.

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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 04:40 PM
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67. K & R - you say what I am thinking. We are at a turning point now.
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 04:43 PM by Nothing Without Hope
The Bush Administration has shown its hand so clearly, no one can ignore it and honestly say it's politics as usual and won't have major consequences involving destruction of constitutional rights and liberties.

Alito is part of the fascist agenda, because if they can pack the SCOTUS, the entire system of law is overturned and there is no bar to unchecked dictatorship.

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:31 PM
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71. When you fall behind in a rigged game, do you keep playing to recoup
your losses?

They've broken the government, on purpose, and playing politely is a sucker's bet at this point.

:hi: Hope.
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:48 PM
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74. Well said, bleeve. The times of going along to get along are past.
Or they should be, if we are to recover democracy in this country. I think determined "middle-of-the-roaders" like Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman know that, so the answer to the question of what their true motivation is must be sought elsewhere - it's clearly not in the interest of the majority of their constituents or of the nation as a whole.

Good to have you along on this bumpy ride, bleeve. :pals:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:21 PM
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68. This is a masterpiece Bleever
If hope our elected representatives possess half your wisdom.

Now is the time to draw that line in the sand.

I Believe
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:07 PM
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70. I often tell people, "Failure is the option of least persistence",
and tell them I heard it from a friend on DU. ;)

:hi:
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:05 PM
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69. Wow! Spot-on! Sure wish I could write like that. Says it all very well!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:36 PM
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72. If this expresses what some DUers think and feel,
I give them (and people like you, BigBearJohn) all the credit.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:38 PM
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73. Right on!
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