Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Senator Larry Craig from Idaho was just outed as have gay encounters

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:46 PM
Original message
Senator Larry Craig from Idaho was just outed as have gay encounters
This was announced on the Ed Schultz show by Mike Rogers. He announced his web site as blogactive.com, and is using it to expose hypocrisy
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:47 PM
Response to Original message
1. He wasn't in my top 5
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:48 PM
Response to Original message
2. Apparently Larry has a 100% approval rating
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 04:50 PM by TlalocW
From the Xtian Coalition. How delicious.

On edit: And he was in that barbership quartet that Ashcroft was a part of. I wonder if Ashcroft feels dirty now.

TlalocW
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Ugh.
This outing business makes me queasy, and watch it blow up in the faces of dems. BTW, did Mr. Blogactive provide any proof of his assertion? Don't get me wrong, I have no use for Larry Craig, but I don't see this as ending well for dems unless they strenuously distance themselves from Mr. Rodgers and others who are doing this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. While I understand your trepidation
I think that this should continue, but democrats need to make sure that they say they have no problem with homosexuals unless they are in power and pushing an agenda that will limit homosexual rights. Even with the Foley Flap, it hasn't been so much that he's gay, but that he cyber-molested pages. The right-wing talking heads have tried to make it a gay issue, but it hasn't stuck from what I can tell.

If this guy has a 100% approval rating from the Xtian Coatlion, then he's worked against homosexuals enjoying full rights as an Americann so I'm not going to lose any sleep if this breaks up his marriage and gets him run out of office. It would be like a Black person disgusing him or herself as white then working to screw Blacks over (insert Clarence Thomas joke here). You would want to expose that person.

TlalocW
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Tom Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
40. I have a problem with anyone who wants to limit rights of anyone.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. Yeah this being taken over the edge. Enough is Enough.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. While I accept that as your opinion, it is also the RW talking point
of the week.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:28 PM
Response to Reply #13
19. It feels like the Drudge Report. You know if your winning by 80 points
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 05:36 PM by Flabbergasted
in the third quarter you honorably stop kicking the shit out of the other team. Its honor to me. I don't WANT to BE like Republicans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #19
32. Too much is riding on this election...
...To "honorably stop kicking the shit out of the other team." We need democrats in there now, and we need them empowered so they can attempt to clean up and save this country. This isn't hyperbole, and it's not a game. It's the future, and if these guys are getting hoist on their own petard - whether it be a heterosexual sex scandal, hiding their homosexuality while working to keep gays as second-class citizens, shady business deals, etc. then:

1. They deserve to lose their office. Do we want these guys to hang onto power like Foley did before he finally was forced out?
2. They deserve to lose any respect they had, their families, and their freedom depending on what their particular crime was. Their being in power has damaged this country in worse ways than any consequences they'll face.
3. The other team wouldn't stop kicking us, and they'll take advantage of any weakness we show them.

And fortunately, the democrats really haven't had to do anything yet. They're doing it to themselves.

TlalocW
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. Ok all good points.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
48. But not 80 points.
In the polls it's more like eight to twelve points--or two touchdowns in an away game with bought referees and a full quarter yet to play. Were it really a runaway, I might be right there with you.

I've thought about this whole thing a lot lately and the one thing I keep coming back to is that gay Republican politicians willingly went along with an agenda designed to motivate ignorant voters through hatred.

As distateful as it is, I have decided that turning their own guns on them is a valid and even necessary tactic to prevent this ploy from being used again. It's worth considering, anyway, if you haven't thought of it that way before.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #10
27. Really, who made this an issue in the first place?
This is only being done to those that made this an issue
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #27
41. Yeah you got a point. I'll concede. At some point we'll need to exercise
balance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. I'm not comfortable with what Rodgers is doing, but I don't see how
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 05:21 PM by brentspeak
this will "blow up in the faces of dems". The DNC isn't naming these names; some guy named Mike Rodgers is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:44 PM
Response to Reply #17
23. but you know that an attempt will be made to blame Democrats
No one knows who Mike Rogers is. So they'll pin it on the group they will say has the most to gain: Democrats.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #23
28. blame the Democrats for what?
This is a Republican issue, that is, the anti-gay agenda

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. Exactly. Like the Democrats forced him to cheat on his wife.
The Democrats didn't make him do this.
The Democrats and the Catholic Church didn't make Mark Foley do what he did.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #28
37. The claim will be that the Democrats smeared him without proof
Someone comes forward with proof -- different story.
But if all there is the assertion of a liberal blogger that he's talked to men who had sex with Craig, that's not going to harm Craig and they will go after the Democrats for being behind it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #7
25. Like I said I heard it on the Ed Schultz show
The person who runs blogactive indicated on the program that he only outs those who are advocates against the gay community. He also indicated that he welcomes any lawsuits, since he stated his sources are very reliable

One last point, he is not saying Craig is gay or not, only that he had gay relationships, and at the same time has an extremely anti-gay platform

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
33. It's the hypocrisy....
I'm fine with outing any Republican whose personal orientation stands in direct contrast to the agenda of the RRR (Religious Republican Right). Let the American Taliban explain away another example of the "do as we say, not as we do" hypocrisy that permeates the Republican Party to their ignorant flock. If the religious mullahs implodes along with their political allies, it's a twofer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #7
34. Ugh is right.
In fact, double ugh.

This is about the stupidest and non-productive avenue we can take. JFC, let's get a grip.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #34
47. How 'bout let's don't....
... and say we did?

The Republicans made GAY an issue, not us. Normally, I believe in folks living with privacy, but that belief does not extend to those who don't respect anyone elses.

My litmus test has become simple. If the shoe were on the other foot, would the slimy asshole hypocrit Republicans do it? They would, and worse, so I'm ok with it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Mich Otter Donating Member (887 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #7
51. Maybe Barney Frank will get outed next...
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 08:53 PM by Mich Otter
Oh, wait, he is out. He is honest about who and what he is.
I say go after every one of the damn Republicans who promotes hatred against gays while being one him/herself.
Hypocrisy needs to be dragged kicking and screaming into the light.
I don't care who the hypocrites are.
The sooner, the better, to help this country to grow up and start treating people right.

On Edit: found this; http://newsbusters.org/node/8120
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
69. Aiding and abetting blackmail is illegal, cali.
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 11:23 AM by Leopolds Ghost
"Watch it blow up in the faces of dems", you keep asserting. What makes you say that?

Who is blackmailing these people? Mike Rogers or or Karl Rove? Who has the goods on these people you think have yet to be outed? What are the conditions under which you and they are obviously operating in order to keep the information from being released?

If Karl Rove knows they're gay, why shouldn't we? If Karl Rove is using their sexual preferences to blackmail Democrats, then by your very words (and the words of Dem strategists) you are explicitly trying to cover up that uncomfortable reality.

Thus Dems become a party to the scheme by trying to make nice with Repubs in order to keep THEM from outing your favorite conservative (read: unwilling to call themselves gay) Dems, which is itself illegal.

It's not the cover-up, it's the BLACKMAIL!

By covering for them, foolish conservative Dems who are afraid of gay politicians are aiding and abetting Rove's illegal scheme to keep Congress in line on important votes.

Mark my words... blackmailing people for sex is one of the ONLY thing Rove is known to have any actual experience at. It's one of the ONLY tools in his arsenal.

Collect all the info on the sexual peccadillos of your friends in the "Christian Coalition" and BOOM, you have a highly motivated voting bloc in your pocket.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #2
21. How many men in this picture


are closet hypocrites?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #2
62. Or if there's something we don't know(and maybe don't WANT TO KNOW)
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 07:51 PM by Ken Burch
about Ashcroft himself?

"oohh baby, Let The Eagle Soar...ooh yeah..."
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:49 PM
Original message
An earlier item from wonkette
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:30 PM
Response to Original message
49. Unfair to
A Cappella singers. :7
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:49 PM
Response to Original message
3. Never heard of him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. A serious threat to the environment, Larry Craig.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. How about this?
http://www.govote.com/Senate/Larry_Craig.htm

Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

Rated 25% by the ACLU, indicating an anti-civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)



Color me shocked.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Apparently he was so against gay monogramy that he
never slept with the same guy twice!

Gay marriage would just cut down the pool of eligible bachelors for him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:31 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. LOL
You're bad.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:29 PM
Response to Reply #15
46. You've correctly identified
Why this is a HYPOCRICY issue
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #15
54. Heheh heheh, funny! eom
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #15
70. Send that joke to Jay Leno! n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #8
38. That's dreadful. What a jerk this guy is.
If you want to play, you're going to pay. Craig is really a RW hack. Wonder how those Idaho folks
feel now. They've gone way down since Sen. Frank Church.

What a hypocrite this guy is. What a TOTAL AND COMPLETE hypocrite.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #8
60. If Craig is well known as a homosexual within the beltway, then WHY...
Why was he not outed in September 1996? Or June 2000? Or June 2002? Or June 2006?

I smell a rat. This whole thing reads like a setup.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monkeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #3
6.  He Is Chairman of Veterans Affairs Committee its going to hit the fan
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #6
24. it won't make the slightest dent without actual evidence
Not just someone saying they talked to some unidentified "partners" of Craig
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
29. Really, when they threw out that Kerry was a coward without evidence
many people seemed to accept that without question? Is this any different?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #29
35. yep, its different. Kerry was a Democrat and Craig's a repub
for starters. MOre significantly, Craig's not running for anything at this moment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #29
61. I didn't accept the smears against Senator Kerry
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 07:48 PM by slackmaster
many people seemed to accept that without question? Is this any different?

No, it's no different at all.

I think Senator Craig deserves the same benefit of the doubt even though he is a Republican. But then, I am not "many people". I think for myself, every time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:48 PM
Response to Reply #6
26. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 05:49 PM by David Zephyr
How many patriotic women and men have been driven out of the Armed Forces where they served and sacrificed without any honors, without their deserved pay and compensation because of ass holes like this?

My friend Beverly: Anybody that pities him needs to meet my friend Beverly, who is in her 70's and who volunteered to serve in the Army from her little Kentucky town. She gave over twenty years of service to our country and then was treated like a pariah and tossed out in middle age because she is gay. Beverly's great love, a former singer who was struck down by a drunk driver, spent most of her life in a wheel chair. And guess who stood by her until her last days? Guess who never failed to show off a photo of her love at work? It was my dear friend Beverly.

Why is it that chicken hawks love to make war?

Why is it that self-loathing gay men wage war against honorable and open homosexuals?

Don't pity this fucker. Pity those whose lives he helped destroy and make difficult every single day of their lives.

Fuck him!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:51 PM
Response to Original message
5. Larry Craig (Dem, Idaho no doubt).
I know, I know. I'm just proactively quoting Fox News.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
confludemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:13 PM
Response to Original message
11. Craig? Fine, but doubt he's the only Repub Senator who's gay
now that it's been brought up.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #11
31. They make an important distinction, it isn't because he is gay
in fact they do NOT even no if he is. He might be bisexual

The point is he engages in a lifestyle that he advocates against

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:15 PM
Response to Original message
12. The singing homophobe is a homosexual. Glad he's outed!


Photo/AP
The 'Singing Senators' barbershop quartet includes Republicans (from left) Trent Lott of Mississippi, Attorney General and ex-Missouri Sen. John Ashcroft and Sens. Larry Craig of Idaho and James Jeffords of Vermont.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:18 PM
Response to Original message
14. This is the outing of hypocrites, not gays
according the the author of blogactive.com
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:00 PM
Response to Reply #14
36. Exactly, this is the outing of hypocrites
particularly the ones that support the passing of discriminatory laws against LGBTs while they enjoy the companionship of a same sex partner.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:19 PM
Response to Original message
16. I do have mixed feelings about this:
http://craig.senate.gov/lec_biography.cfm

He is married to the former Suzanne Thompson. They have three children: two sons, Mike and Jay, a daughter, Shae, and nine beautiful grandchildren.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #16
22. He should have thought about that before cheating on them.
He's a creep and deserves all the "shame" that he has legislated toward decent gay and lesbian Americans, many who have given their lives in combat for this nation.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #22
39. You have a point.
Clinton's family was hurt by the RW witch hunt so??
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:22 PM
Response to Original message
18. Is this a case of not being able to make an omelette
without breaking eggs?? It doesn't seem quite cricket to me but c'est la guerre I uppose.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:11 PM
Response to Original message
43. Is there any verifiable source to back this up?
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 06:14 PM by slackmaster
I'm at work and could not listen to the show.

As always, I am deeply skeptical of revelations that fit so closely with what some of us would wish for. Without some kind of provenance, real people willing to come out in public using their real names, this is likely to backfire IMO.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:13 PM
Response to Original message
44. Mike Rogers? As in US Rep Mike Rogers (R-MI)?
Or is it someone who works for the show?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cheney Killed Bambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 06:28 PM
Response to Original message
45. Kick
:kick:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 07:31 PM
Response to Original message
50. Craig isn't running for re-election, so what's the biggie? he's gay?
yaaaaaawwwnnnn....!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
thatsrightimirish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:02 PM
Response to Original message
52. I hope this hurts Sali
How believable is the source?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Touchdown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:05 PM
Response to Original message
53. Does he smoke? He should be lynched if he does
I just found out that ALL smokers are baby killers. So being a gay GOP hypocrite and voting for torture is only a distraction from the real evil ones.;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 09:57 PM
Response to Original message
55. I don't know why anyone would be surprised about this
Its been well known inside the beltway for years that Craig is gay. This is old news
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Please provide something concrete to back up your statement
If it's "well known", "old news" then surely some reputable person somewhere must have written it down and put his or her name on it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #56
58. Something concrete?
I've spent lots of time inside the beltway and in the Hart and Russell Senate Office buildings. I assure you this is not news to anyone in either of those buildings. Something concrete? Do you think one of the staff or the Senators themselves were going to write it down for me? Be advised that if everything illicit that is known inside those offices were to come to light they would have to elect nearly 100 new Senators. Well, maybe only 90.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Why should anyone accept your word for it, BeachBuckeye?
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 07:50 PM by slackmaster
I don't mean to impugn your reputation, but hearsay doesn't add up to much. Accepting a story like this as truth without hard evidence is as likely to backfire as to work in our favor even if it is actually true. If you were to tell us that you personally witnessed Craig engaged in a sexual act with someone, I would take your word for it because I have no reason to doubt your honesty. But all you have done is pass on things other people have said.

Do you think one of the staff or the Senators themselves were going to write it down for me?

The story won't have legs until someone is willing to come out in public using his real name and say he engaged in sexual acts with the senator, or saw a man doing something with Craig.

Be advised that if everything illicit that is known inside those offices were to come to light they would have to elect nearly 100 new Senators. Well, maybe only 90.

And the problem with that would be...?

:nuke:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:25 PM
Response to Reply #59
67.  Why are you defensive to the outing of republican hypocrites?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #67
72. I'm all for outing hypocrites of all stripes
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 01:34 PM by slackmaster
But this "outing" of Larry Craig is so weak that IMO we shouldn't pursue it.

All Craig has to do is laugh it off, which is basically what he did. Very few people are going to believe it, and there is no way the MSM is going to risk a libel suit by running it.

They might run a story that there is a rumor that Craig is gay, but they'll be very clear that the story is unsubstantiated.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeachBuckeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #59
68. Did I say I know it is true?
You've built a straw man here. I didn't vouch for the truth of the story. I merely said it is old news and that is exactly what it is. I have no idea if the allegation is true or not. However what I stated is absolutely true. It is definitely old news on the Hill.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #68
73. Thanks for the clarification
Edited on Thu Oct-19-06 01:33 PM by slackmaster
It is definitely old news on the Hill.

Old rumor is more like it. Or maybe old gossip.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:23 PM
Response to Reply #58
66. Any others you know about, Guy?
Lindsey Graham? Thune?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #56
65. The problem is that all those dirty secrets in the belt way that
everyone knows aren't known by the people who voted for him, the rank and file Idahoans, who have been seduced by Republican BS for a long time.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Johnny Appleseed Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #55
63. ...
Big difference between a beltway secret and a hidden truth exposed on national radio. And Craig's office has vehemently denied the report, which shows how well known Craig's orientation is among his constituents and the american people as a whole.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 02:04 PM
Response to Original message
57. the gay hating gay repub chickens are coming home to roost
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:20 PM
Response to Original message
64. Oh he used to be my Senator when I lived in Idaho.
Of course DH and I never voted for him, but go figure. All those Mormons in southern Idaho, and mountain men in northern Idaho who voted for him, are probably drinking their livers into cirrhosis by now.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-19-06 11:15 AM
Response to Original message
71. Is he up for election this year?
Its hard to imagine Idaho voting for a gay man. Then again, they may vote for him to convince themselves they aren't homophobes. The Alan Keyes syndrome but for gay people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Jan 27th 2022, 02:37 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (01/01/06 through 01/22/2007) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC