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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:12 AM
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School violence
I found an interesting website where they asked parents what we could do to improve school safety. Here is one of the more interesting responses:

Why are there security systems in most businesses? Why are there security guards in almost every building whether it be for business or residential? Why is it that the security for our leaders is so important? I think the answer is value. We value our leaders, business owners value their businesses and residents value their homes. It is my humble opinion that the United States of America should value their children. The Federal Government should consider funding an operation that secures the safety of every child in this country. Funds should be made available to every school. Whether it be a security system or security guards, I cannot understand how a school district could say their budget doesn't allow for those things. We protect the safety of our most important people in politics and allow funds for protecting visiting politicians from other countries. Shouldn't we find money to fund security programs for our children while they are in school?
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 11:45 AM
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1. I share their concern for school security but...
I hate to go to the Federal government for another school fix. It would have to cover all schools - public and private, secular and religious. Like homes and businesses, we should be willing to spend the money on something we prioritize as important.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:57 PM
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3. Well that gets kinda sticky
It is hard to spend federal dollars in private schools. Many private schools don't want the money because then they have to follow federal regulations.

But I do think we need to make school safety a priority.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 01:34 PM
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5. Here's another comment from that website:
End the War, More Gun Control, and Teach Children Respect for Nature | Jon R.

A couple of ideas from an average Joe (actually an average Jon)

1. Decrease the amount of violent images that children see on the news. This means taking action to defeat the "stay the course" mentality that is driving our government's decisions to 1) continue the unjust war in Iraq which serves only to increase the body count of U.S. troops, civilians, and troops from the "coalition of the willing" (which should actually read the coalition of the coerced) and 2) use torture to gain information from detainees. These regular images and topics on the nightly news serve to numb our children to these horrible acts.

2. Promote meaningful gun control regulation! By mandating background checks and mandatory waiting periods some of these acts of hostility might never have happened. This begs the question on why the current administration is so against gun control. This would be a good topic to bring up at the summit (which in Bush's terms means simply paying lip service to an important issue without actually backing it up)

3. Show the children that breaking the law is not tolerated. Some good ways to do this would be to 1) Impeach our lying, law breaking President and those in his administration who lied to get us into this war in Iraq and lied to continue torturing detainees and unlawfully detained prisoners in secret prisons and unlawfully spied on Americans and then created legislation to retroactively give themselves immunity from punishment. The actions of the Bush Administration only show our children that breaking the law does not have consequences and that it is perfectly okay as long as you are not held accountable.

4. Encourage our children to have a respect for nature. I personally feel that children are becoming more and more distanced from nature via video games and other artificial entertainment. Children who do not get to experience and gain a respect for living things are more likely to commit such horrific acts because they can detach themselves from the outcomes of their actions just as they seem to be able to detach themselves from the natural world. Hey, if I'm wrong, at least the children will get more exercise being out there experiencing life rather than just sitting in front of a television set.
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Hangingon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 07:08 PM
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6. I don't like the war but...
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Subject: I don't care for the war...
but no.1 is a stretch for me. My reaction to the poster's statement is that it uses the tragedies to serve his anti-war sentiment. Perhaps the media could use less graphic footage and let go of the "if it bleeds it leads". On local tv I see far more gun footage on local drug and gang problems than the war. I am not sure most kids watch tv news anyway.

As for no. 2, I don't think the gun control solutions cited would would have prevented the Colorado or the Amish school shootings. I support the 24 hour mandated back ground check and its extension to gun shows. I also support prosecution of anyone who violates gun laws. This is an emotional issue and I am tired of seeing the votes of sportsmen and gun owners go to the Republicans.

For no. 3 I agree that children need to be shown that breaking the law or the rules will not be tolerated and that there are consequences for their choices and actions. Maybe impeachment would be an object lesson, I don't know. Whose actions so influenced the Abu Grahab guards that they felt free to commit those acts? Teaching respect for laws and rules is something that is the parents responsibility. It begins long before children are sent to school. And it cannot be met effectively by sitting the kids down in front of C-Span and having them watch a hearing.

On no.4, better control of video games, movies and television would be a help. What are they learning from CSI? Better way to kill and leave no evidence? Again this is the parents responsibility - watch what your children do for entertainment.

I think we need to face up to our problems and stop finding scapegoats. It is tempting to use events to support our political viewpoints, but I don't think that will yield results. We have to face the problems and do the hard work to solve them. For school security, I think that means examining the current state of school plant security, analyzing the potential threats and designing solutions that are practical, implementable and affordable. That means more spending for support outside the school classroom. More taxes. More parental support. Given the variety of school plant design and circumstance, it is a local problem and needs a local fix.

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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:12 PM
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2. Every school my children have been in have had some sort of security guard
and security system (burglarly and fire). Most of the guards or "security advocates" as one district so preteniously called them were worthless. In the school I taught at the head of security job was how they hired the football coach so he did not have to teach classes.

Best security guy I ever saw was at my eldest daughter Jr Hi. The Vice princple was your basic pear shaped bald white guy with the massive key ring. However, he knew every child, their parents, who was doing what to whom, and how to get information out of them. Incidents just did not happen on his watch. I was truly amazed and the quite control he exterted. Never screamed or theatened, the kids just complied and the parents understood.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-12-06 12:58 PM
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4. Only our secondary schools have security guards
Elementary schools just keep their doors locked.
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