**BREAKING**: Plane owned by/piloted by Cory Lidle, NY Yankees

[Bluebear]

Cirrus SR20 aircraft

[Teaser]

1. you're shitting me?

nt

[Bluebear]

2. no

flying home after season ended. There was a distress call, there were two people on board.

[never cry wolf]

3. Just heard on the radio, Lidle confirmed dead

Presumably he was at the controls.

[durrrty libby]

4. He had a pilot's license and this is very sad n/t

He had just paid $187,000 for the aircraft.

[shadowknows69]

5. If I even hear a news head

speculate on suicide without knowing for sure i'll egg that respective network's windows. Wolf sounded like he was almost going there.

[countryjake]

17. Somebody must have jumped Wolf from behind the scenes...

cause he then made the statement that Lidle hadn't played that big a role in the recent play-off loss.

I think because he has been saying since the first reports that it wasn't terrorism and could possibly have been a plane malfunction or perhaps a suicide, he wasn't thinking earlier when he "almost went there".

[BootinUp]

24. No way, into a building and kill innocent people?

This wasn't suicide.

[wicket]

45. I'll join you in the egging

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[countryjake]

6. Yup, they're saying the Yankees weren't happy with him flying.

What a shame. Here's his page at MLB:

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/team/player.jsp?player_id=117756


Now Kyra is talking about his plane having a parachute...what a dingbat!

[Renew Deal]

10. Was Lidle on the plane?

[originalpckelly]

13. Passport was found, probably couldn't identify burned face...

so it is a certain as it can be without next of kin to identify the body.

[karlrschneider]

29. It is a Cirrus SR22 and does indeed have a parachute.

:eyes:
edit: Hearing it was the SR20 model...parachute is a option, not std. eqp't on that one.

[Bluebear]

38. He had the optional parachute, told Yankees ownership not to fret

about him flying. :(

[countryjake]

39. Lidle was equipped with some sort of rocket-parachute...

according to some dingbat on CNN. That was one of the ways he reassured the Yankees when they expressed doubts about him flying on his own.

[RamboLiberal]

72. You owe Kyra an apology on this one - it does have a parachute

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/460724p-387626c.html

<snip>

On Sunday, the day after the Yankees were eliminated from the playoffs, Lidle cleaned out his locker at Yankee Stadium and talked about his interest in flying.

He explained to reporters the process of getting a pilot's license, and said he intended to fly back to California in several days and planned to make a few stops. Lidle disccused the plane crash of John F. Kennedy Jr. and how he had read the accident report on the National Transportation Safety Board Web site.

Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30, told The New York Times last month that his four-seat Cirrus SR20 plane was safe.

"The whole plane has a parachute on it," Lidle said. "Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you're up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly."

http://philip.greenspun.com/flying/cirrus-sr20

Cirrus's SR20 is a low-wing four-seat composite airplane best known for its incorporation of an airframe parachute, which, in the event of a midair collision or other disaster, can float the plane and its passengers down for a 1,500 fpm landing on the ground. The plane was introduced in 1999, and within a few years Cirrus Design was selling more four-seat piston-powered airplanes than anyone but Cessna. The Cirrus is remarkable for its cruise speed of 150-155 knots on 11 gallons per hour of fuel through its six-cylinder 200hp fuel-injected Continental engine. The SR20 sells for about $280,000 nicely equipped (Avidyne glass cockpit, dual Garmins, autopilot with flight director, satellite weather, EMax engine monitor; no terrain warning, no traffic warning, no Stormscope, no CMax).

The things that distinguish the Cirrus from its competitors such as the Diamond Star DA40 and the Cessna 172/182 are the following:

better visibility toward the front than the Cessnas due to a lower panel
higher airspeeds
side yoke instead of a center stick (Diamond) or center yoke (Cessna)
the parachute
surprisingly large and comfortable cabin

[countryjake]

73. Who's going to ditch an out-of-control plane in Manhattan?

I think the idea that somehow the man could have saved his own life by jumping out of it is an insult to anyone who flies or has a speck of humanity in them. He was attempting to prevent a tragedy, not bail out of one!

I owe that CNN fool nothing.

[RamboLiberal]

76. Your words

"Now Kyra is talking about his plane having a parachute...what a dingbat!"

The plane had an airframe parachute! That's why I said you owed Kyra an apology.

[countryjake]

79. Dingbat Kyra didn't know what sort of parachute it was...

when she first reported the parachute, she was speaking of exactly the insulting speculation I've mentioned in my first response to you. As tho someone is going to parachute OUT of a plane hurtling wildly over the streets of NYC...the eyewitness accounts have said that the plane appeared to be trying to pull up right before it slammed into the building. I'd say that would be a credit to the pilot, Cory Lidle, that he attempted to prevent a tragedy, rather than jump out of his plane.

Kyra had no idea of the capabilities of his "parachute" when she was wondering if he may have bailed out.

[RamboLiberal]

80. I didn't see Kyra - but that's not how you reported it originally

I was responding to you calling her a dingbat for saying the plane had a parachute - which it did. So you did some bad reporting here.

[Dorian Gray]

82. All the reporters

were reporting on the Frame Parachute early on in the story. I'm sure that the reporter was reporting the correct information as it was passed on to her.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

7. Maybe NOW The IDIOT Media SHILLS Will Drop The TERRA BS nt

[originalpckelly]

8. So sad, I wonder if he committed suicide because the Yanks lost...

the playoffs. OMG!

[CatWoman]

12. That's the second reference to suicide on this thread

completely uncalled for, IMO.

[RB TexLa]

15. And a pretty silly thought

professional athletes deal with winning and losing games, or seasons. Not likely at all.

[shadowknows69]

18. I said I'd be pissed if the media speculated that

A knee-jerk reaction but somewhat understandable given the importance of sports culture in this society.

[RB TexLa]

22. but not the culture in sports

You're much much more likely to have a fan kill themselves over the outcome of a game or series or season than a player.

[AlCzervik]

14. there were 2 people on that plane, i doubt it's suicide.

[RebelOne]

28. It's being reported that he was the only person

on the plane.But it is also reported that he radioed Mayday messages.

[Phillycat]

19. Absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed. nt

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

20. Please Don't Encourage A Moronic Line Of Thought

He's not going to kill himself because of a playoff series loss. The guy had a family, and lots of years ahead of him to win with the Yankees.

[ecstatic]

23. actually I wonder the same thing

Of all the things to crash into, a building? How often does that happen? Everyone was quick to believe the rumor about Terrell Owens committing suicide, so it doesn't seem that farfetched to me.

[shadowknows69]

25. If he only had his license 7 months

he had no business flying near a huge metro area.

[Bluebear]

26. He was an inexperienced pilot.

He also had a family, kids. Plus he bought a plane loaded with safety features, so it's highly doubtful imo.

[RB TexLa]

31. I do believe the Dallas police department

and Terrell never said they lied.

But that had nothing to do with winning or losing football games.

[countryjake]

32. Suicides don't usually send out MayDays before they crash, do they?

Something malfunctioned with the plane, they have unconfirmed reports that a MayDay was issued shortly before the building was hit.

And millionaire athletes collect paychecks whether their team wins or loses...baseball is NOT a life or death matter!

Really...

[karlrschneider]

33. Jesusfuckingchrist, that sounds like something from FR

:puke:

[oasis]

40. The Angel's pitcher, Donnie Moore suicided himself after blowing a key

playoff game. This was back in the 80's.

[rinsd]

42. That was 3 years later

And was the culmination of his career deteriorating and substance abuse.

[pinto]

81. Aw, come on. For cryin' out loud.

[malaise]

9. How sad

Maybe they can stop the terra terra now.

[LetsGoMurphys]

11. Thats an absolute shame..

He just got traded to the yanks...

[TahitiNut]

16. Deja Vu: They found his passport on the street below the crash site.

So reports CNN. :eyes:

[shadowknows69]

21. They need to start making planes out of this material

they make passports with.

[Bluebear]

27. My thoughts exactly. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

44. This kinda backs up the 9/11 passport story...

...doesn't it?;)

[shadowknows69]

48. Did you notice the source of the passport find?

"A government official"

Not for nothing but when I was in journalism school I was taught that it didn't really take away from a story, in fact it lent more credibility to it, to name such sources and their exact title. It is these people's fault why my tin foil radar goes off so much.

[Cooley Hurd]

50. .

:banghead:

[LetsGoMurphys]

56. who fucking cares

are u indicating some conspiracy about cory lidles passport being found? stop acting like morons.

[VOX]

77. Hey, show your fellow DUers some respect. That "morons" dig isn't cool...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html
Civility: Treat other members with respect. Do not post personal attacks against other members of this discussion forum.
- - - - -
The posters you're calling out are making reference to Mohammed Atta's passport being miraculously found on 9/11, lying in the street in pristine condition, having survived a colossal flaming explosion of jet-fuel -- one which was powerful enough and hot enough to vaporize human bones, to incinerate the cockpit recorders and black-box recorders, and to melt structural steel.

In addition, it's a well-documented fact that Atta was trained in passport alteration.

Make what you will of those **facts**.

[LetsGoMurphys]

78. The post I made reference to

suggested that since it was a government offical we should not believe the credibility of the statement, which is without a doubt insinuating that someone would lie about finding Cory Lidle's passport. Why the hell would anyone do that? Speaking of respect how about a little for the decedent? Fishing for conspiracies for no reason after someone died is disrespectful in my eyes. Just tryin to keep the Kool-Aid drinking in check. I am not pointing to any other DUer who simply [pointed out the coincidence, as it was worth noting.

[shadowknows69]

84. I was making a comment on shoddy reporting

there is no reason not to site what agency this is coming from.

[mikelewis]

30. One would expect the building to have completely collapsed...

with all that jet fuel and all... World Trade Center 7 was only 47 stories and it completely collapsed... though it of course wasn't hit by a plane and wasn't bathed in jet fuel... I hope they're taking the appropriate precautions.

[karlrschneider]

37. Groan...

:eyes:

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[Jacobin]

75. piston planes don't burn jet fuel

They burn a high grade of gasoline.

This model carries a maximum of 81 gallons.

But, please, don't let me stop you from comparing a 3,400 pound airplane with less than 80 gallons of fule on board to a 400,000 pound airliner traveling at 500 mph with 35,000 gallons plus of jet fuel.
http://www.cirrusdesign.com/downloads/pdf/coverage_DecJan04_Centennial_P&P.pdf

[mikelewis]

83. Seeing as how WTC7 wasn't hit by either and had neither...

Kerosene nor Gasoline acting as accelerants, there's really no need to make any comparisons between planes. Because it was alledgedly fire that brought down WTC7 and all reports tend to indicate that there was fire present in today's accident, of course, we should be concerned about a complete and total structural collapse. The same conclusions can apply to the Towers as well since the NIST has stated that it was fire that disintigrated the building and not the impact of the planes... though most people can't seem to separate the cause from the effect in that relationship either. My concern was that there was fire in today's accident and as was proved conclusively by the total structural collapse of WTC7 that fire can completely disintigrate a building, I was only expressing my hope that the authorities took the necessary precautions to guard against yet another impossible building failure.

[karlrschneider]

85. Yeah, well, obviously having a 110 story building fall down on it

had nothing whatsoever to do with it collapsing.
:eyes: :eyes:

[mikelewis]

86. It might have something to do with it collapsing if...

either tower had fallen down on it however WTC7 was across the street from the Towers and in between was WTC6 which did not collapse.

Do you know anything at all about 9/11 or are you just making stuff up as you go along? WTC7 was a 47 story high rise that (as of yet) unexplicably collapsed at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11. It was never stuck by a plane and there were only two seperate floors reportedly on fire. No explaination has been given for what started the fires nor has there been a reasonable hypothesis offered by the government as to why it collapsed. The NIST is currently working on a scenario that will reportedly prove conclusively why it disintegrated but that report remains unpublished.

So far, no one knows why two relatively small fires completely destroyed the building and no one seems to be at all concerned that it could happen again. The NIST has offered only a few building code changes but nothing that would address a catastrophic collapse of a steel framed high rise building. We must assume that due to the official story on 9/11, if a fire were to break out in any high-rise steel framed building then we should prepare for a complete disintegration of that building. Simply because it is impossible for a building to collapse in that manner should not in any way limit how we plan for high-rise building fires. Because we know at least one building "officially" collapsed due to fire we must assume that others can too.

To fail to plan for such an impossible contingency is reckless given the current reality offered by the government. Do you want to be responsible for the deaths of more fire fighters and emergency responders because you failed to learn the lessons of 9/11? Until we know for sure what happened to WTC7 (and for that matter WTC1 & WTC2) any fire should immediately result in clearing the area and planning for a total collapse. No responders should be allowed into the building until an assessment team can verify the structural integrity of the building and surmise if it too would suddenly break apart and collapse at near freefall speeds. That is really the only responsible reaction to a high rise fire after 9/11.

There was no way of knowing if the plane that crashed into that 50 story building today didn't knock off the flame retardant coating which could have resulted in a total disintigration of the building. Even if it didn't knock off the flame retardant coating, there was no way of knowing if the fires would somehow miraculously pop every weld and turn every piece of brick and concrete into dust in a matter of seconds. Because it alledgedly happened three times in one day, we must assume that it can happen and will happen again. If it does, those fire fighters would have been put in harms way recklessly and without regard to widely accepted (though wildly impossible) building performances exhibited on 9/11. Simply because 9/11 was alledgedly pepetrated by Muslim Terrorists who hate our freedoms does not necessarily mean that the fires caused by their terrorism would act in any way differently than a fire started by an accidental blaze such as we had today. Fire is fire unless of course these Muslims truly did have God on their side and he lent them magic fire that could do the impossible. Are you trying to sell me the idea that terrorists can start magic fires that can implode buildings or do you just not give a shit about our fire fighters and think their lives are meaningless?

[ecstatic]

35. yeah... weird huh?

Not only do passports seem to be made of explosive-proof material, but the owners always seem to place them in a convenient location that somehow is ejected from the plane before impact :shrug:

[Marie26]

36. MIHOP! nt

[Junkdrawer]

41. Passports have a way of FLYING onto the street in NYC...

Well, next time I'm in NYC, I'll have to remember to duct tape that sucker to my body.

Just can't make this stuff up....

[KoKo]

53. I was just going to post about "breathless CNN" person saying "Passport

was found on the street!....Passport, Wolf, was found on the STREET!

I thought I was in a Twilight Zone Episode from back in time!.

Blitzer did try to cut the CNN reporter off...but that's apparently how they identified it was this Yankee pitcher.

I wasn't really concerned about :tinfoilhat: with this plane incident figuring it was just an accident for whatever reason. But the MSM hype with Matthews saying the Pitcher was "depressed" over losing to Detroit (implying it was a "suicide" mission) and CNN carrying on about "passport in street" and having their "Google Earth Guy" showing the "flight plane of the airplane" with Miles O'Brien talking about inexperienced pilot (Miles was pretty rational btw) just leads me to once again don my :tinfoilhat: and wonder how the hell this Yankee Pitchers "passport" just happened to be conveniently found when we know this guy's body parts are really just burned bits and pieces. Yet his passport survived just so we all could know who he was.

VERY BIZARRE and the coverage is VERY BIZARRE...:tinfoilhat: Says "manipulation of some kind." And, it really is the 11th of October....

[warrior1]

34. Bless his heart

rest in peace Yankee

[Warren DeMontague]

46. Oy Vey. Tragic.

Condolences to his friends, family and loved ones.

[IChing]

47. Rhodes said of Lidle ( he must have flown for much longer than reported)

Please don't shoot the messenger, I'm not happy about this tragedy however...Arthur Rhodes said

"He is a scab... " Rhodes said of Lidle, who according to Rhodes was a replacement player during the 1995 spring training lockout with the Brewers. "When he started, he would go 51/3 innings and (the bullpen) would have to win the game for him. The only thing Cory Lidle wants to do is fly around in his airplane and gamble."


"When he pitched, we busted our tails for him," the veteran reliever said. "He shouldn't say that, he shouldn't say anything like that because he is a scab. He crossed the line when guys like me, Flash (Tom Gordon) and (Mike) Lieberthal were playing. He is a replacement player."

Oh, Arthur's not done. Arthur calls him out for eating ice cream in the clubhouse!!!
"He doesn't have a work ethic. After every start, he didn't run or lift weights. He would sit in the clubhouse and eat ice cream."

Tuesday, August 01, 2006, this was in the NY. Post.

[rinsd]

55. So why bring it up?

Lidle was all of 21-22 years old at the time of the baseball strike just trying to catch on with someone anyone. The Brewers were his 2nd team.

Also it should be noted that Rhodes comments were in response to Lidle saying that alot Philly players do not care about winning. Something echoed by Abreu.

"He crossed the line when guys like me,"

Like you? The pre-AROD I stink it up in the clutch and could care less poster boy?

Looks like Lidle had hit a nerve.

[IChing]

57. Because the news said he was an inexperienced pilot whereas

this says he was flying since 95

[rinsd]

70. You are misreading the article

Lidle was on the Phillies earlier this year. Rhodes was also on that team.

Rhodes was refering to Lidle's playing spring training games in 1995.

His referral to flying planes and gambling come from their playing time together this year.

Also sorry if I was a bit touchy.

[LetsGoMurphys]

58. Arthur Rhodes is one of the saddest excuses for a pitcher I have

ever seen. As a Phillies fan, I groaned every time he came in because you knew he was going to blow it. He sucks.

[LetsGoMurphys]

59. and I assume you are bringing this up that he was somehow

anti-labor. I am the most pro-union guy goin, but who honestly gives a shit about players unions. post is in poor taste.

[IChing]

67. No, it is only that he was reported as a new pilot

He has been flying since 95

I really don't care about highly overpaid baseball players and their feuds just the deaths of innocent people.
May they rest in peace.

[ScreamingMeemie]

61. I am one of the people who wanted to see the replacement players

play. I reserve the word "scab" for those who aren't replacing multi million dollar cry babies.

[zulchzulu]

49. God rest his soul and those who also died and their loved ones

Whatever God you choose...

...now that the tragedy sinks in, it's just damn sad.

[flyarm]

51. PLEASE ..HE WAS MOST LIKELY FLYING OVER YANKEE STADIUM

AND SOMETHING WENT WRONG..enough please of the crap he did this for any reason..

in the spring he flew this plane out of Clearwater airport..where he used to train with the Phillies..and he flew it over the spring training ballpark..

that is most likely what he was doing today..flying over yankee stadium or he was intending to do that if he hadn't already..

and something went wrong..

fly

[flyarm]

54. May Cory fly now with angels...and his passenger..bless him and let him

rest in peace..

my husband and son knew Cory quite well..my son played in the minor leagues with the Phillies...

My sincerest condolences to his family..

fly

[Bluebear]

69. I didn't say he "did it" for any reason. nt

[leftofthedial]

52. wow

shades of Thurman Munson

[countryjake]

60. I thought of him too.

I'll bet Piniella will bring Munson up, if he's calling the game again tonight. That tragedy struck baseball very hard, but Lou especially.

[ScreamingMeemie]

65. I was only 8 but that day is burned in my brain forever. We lived

in Syracuse at the time and actually at a little league ballpark when it came over the speakers.

[cureautismnow]

68. Yes, very sad remembrance.

The Bronx Bombers lost their captain and didn't win another title 'til '96. He was only 32 and left behind a wife and 3 kids. R.I.P Corey and Thurman. :cry:

[ScreamingMeemie]

62. His poor little boy...

:cry:

[DoYouEverWonder]

63. Supposedly this plane has a parachute built into it?

That's what they just said on some cable show.

I wonder why he wasn't able to use it?

[ScreamingMeemie]

64. I think it would be rather tough to do given forward momentum

and the buildings around. An eyewitness said they saw him trying to pull up but the plane not having enough power. :(

[DoYouEverWonder]

66. He was only about a block away from the East River

People say the plane was floundering and looked like it was in trouble. He was able to make a distress call, so at the least deploy the thing and hope for the best. Maybe he panicked and forgot about it?

[Kingshakabobo]

74. Probably in denial about how much trouble he was in.....

......it happens to experienced military pilots that fail to punch out.

[Neecy]

71. Terrible news

I was a big fan of his when he pitched for Oakland, and he has a place in A's history by being part of the 20 consecutive game win streak. This is a terribly sad day.