4 million killed in Korea, 2 million in Nam, 5,000 in Panama

[RethugAssKicker]

now 655,000 in Iraq !!!

Yet somehow we think we are an exceptional people???

Ask the average American .. he wouldn't even know that!!

[killbotfactory]

1. Much more than that in Nam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

[TomInTib]

2. You are wrong about Panama.

Over 100,000 died in the first few hours (the firestorm in the City of Angels).

But your point is well taken.

[enigma000]

7. firestorm in the City of Angels? n/t

[Jcrowley]

3. The number in Iraq is also off

The toll in Iraq is easily 2 million though probably twice that when all deaths caused by residual effects are taken into account. Remember the US has been pounding on Iraq for 15 years straight right through the Clinton years.

But yes your sentiment is profound and accurate and you only compiled the short list.

[wuushew]

4. All places that never attacked Amerika either

What ever happened to staying the fuck out of foreign entanglements?

[whistle]

5. How about the death squads in Nicaragua and Guatemala and...

...el Salvador and Honduras and all through the world? Millions of people slaughtered in the name of democracy by U.S.

<snip>
CIA Support of Death Squads
by Ralph McGehee
Posted on RemarQ, 9 October 1999

The information below is from CIABASE files on Death Squads supported by the CIA. Also given below are details on Watch Lists prepared by the CIA to facilitate the actions of Death Squads.


Angola Bolivia Brazil Cambodia Central America
Chile Columbia Costa Rica Cuba Dominican Republic
Eastern Europe East Timor Egypt El Salvador Europe
Georgia Germany Greece Guatemala Haiti
Honduras Indonesia Iran Iraq Israel
Italy Latin America Mexico Nicaragua Norway
Panama Paraguay Philippines Puerto Rico Russia
South Africa South America Syria Thailand Turkey
Uruguay USSR Vietnam


Death Squads: Miscellaneous

CIA set up Ansesal and other networks of terror in El Salvador, Guatemala (Ansegat) and pre-Sandinista Nicaragua (Ansenic). The CIA created, structured and trained secret police in South Korea, Iran, Chile and Uruguay, and elsewhere — organizations responsible for untold thousands of tortures, disappearances, and deaths. Spark, 4/1985, pp. 2-4

1953-94 Sponsorship by CIA of death squad activity covered in summary form. Notes that in Haiti CIA admitted Lt. General Raoul Cedras and other high-ranking officials "were on its payroll and are helping organize violent repression in Haiti. Luis Moreno, an employee of State Department, has bragged he helped Colombian army create a database of subversives, terrorists and drug dealers." His superior in overseeing INS for Southeastern U.S., is Gunther Wagner, former Nazi soldier and a key member of now-defunct Office of Public Safety (OPS), an AID project which helped train counterinsurgents and terrorism in dozens of countries. Wagner worked in Vietnam as part of Operation Phoenix and in Nicaragua where he helped train National Guard. Article also details massacres in Indonesia. Haiti Information, 4/23/1994, pp. 3,4
<more>

http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads.htm

[enigma000]

6. What about Germany?

Lots of death and destruction there courtesy of the US of A.

[pampango]

8. It will be a great day when Americans think of themselves as

unexceptional and learn to accept the fact that all they have done throughout their history is wreak death and destruction on innocent countries around the world. And have never ever even once been a force for good in the world. (Sorry, you didn't actually say that last part. I was just going with the flow.)

I suspect that the American people ("sheeple" as we loving refer to them) are well aware that many foreign citizens, as well as Americans, have died in the wars we have fought. Could they quote you accurate numbers? Probably not. (You sure got those sheeple there.) You might want to include a footnote that the US does not at the present time actually own Korea, Panama, Vietnam (well, we lost there), Germany or Japan. Sure we turned some of those places in brutal repressive places for their citizens, but that is a fact we will just have to live with.

[RethugAssKicker]

9. Oh, I could have gone on and on....

But you are right...

We have done no good in the world !

Nothing makes people angrier than a holier than thou 'person' who gets caught doing
exactly what he has been preaching against.. And it is the same with the 'USA', with all the talk of freedom...etc..etc..

[pampango]

10. You're right about the "holier than thou" types making people mad, when

they don't walk the walk. The US, like most countries and people, for that matter, is a mixture of good and bad, success and failure. The USSR was all about the classless proletarian society, but their army proved to be pretty useful in Eastern Europe and Afghanistan. France was liberty, fraternity, and equality and then came Algeria. China was the dictatorship of the proletariat, but Tibet and the Cultural Revolution were bumps in the road on the way to utopia.

Would I rather the US be a place that did not talk about freedom, democracy, prosperity? No. Would I rather that we did more to walk the walk and live up to these ideals? Yes.

By the way, while I agree that hypocritical "holier than thou" types make people mad, countries that make no pretense of having any high ideals, just raw power, deserve a category, too. Germany (Hitler) vs. Poland, France, Belgium, Russia and others; Iraq (Saddam) vs. Kuwait, Iran; China (Mao) vs. Tibet, Mongolia; Japan (Hirohito) vs. China, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, and others; all these conquering countries made no pretense of high ideals. They had the power to conquer, so they did it. Were they less hypocritical than the US? Yes. Does it make them better? No.