Pat Buchanan claims NAMBLA marches in gay pride parades

[Kelvin Mace]

I can't find any ready evidence of this. Has this ever happened?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. He Meant RAMBLA

eom

[Redstone]

8. That's the hardest I've laughed in days, reading your post. Excellent.

Redstone

[Zhade]

45. I don't get it.

RAMBLA?

[verse18]

56. Republican-American Man-Boy Love Association.

[gotigers]

2. i haven't..

I haven't heard of it.........It's not relevant either way is it? I mean...every group has their bad apples..

http://www.HastertMustGo.com

[unschooler]

10. I sure as hell wouldn't march with them apples.

That's like marching in a "southern pride" parade w/ the KKK.

It's fine to be proud of sweet tea and barbecue and whatever else is good about the south. But you've got to keep the bad apples out if you want to have any credibility.

[Redstone]

15. Wait a minute. You seem to be saying that you're gay, and you ACCEPT that

poster's assertion that NAMBLA is a subset of the "group" of gay American?

If I were gay, I'd be going for this throat for even insinuating that pedophiles are part of a gay "group."

Did you actually READ his post?

Redstone

[unschooler]

30. I thought he said Pelosi or Hillary or someone marched in a

Gay Pride parade in which NAMBLA had a float. I couldn't believe that was true, but more than one poster seemed to be saying that.

Did I miss the sarcasm (it's been known to happen)?

Just for the record, I'm straight, and I don't accept that NAMBLA is a subset of the gay community.

[spanone]

36. I heard him say that twice.Nancy Pelosi & Hillary Clinton

[Raksha]

38. It was Pelosi. He tried to link NAMBLA with Pelosi

and two other Dems (I didn't catch their names).

[Redstone]

42. And he said Rudy Giuliani, too! Did anyone else notice that?

Redstone

[spanone]

43. It was HIllary, I heard / watched him say it.

[Redstone]

40. I am straight as well, and do not accept that either. It's a blatant smear

and blame-deflection tactic.

My friend, this is the time for us to rally to the support of our homosexual brethren. The Republicans are trying yet again to equate male homosexuality with pedophilia, and we know that's not true.

As straight guys, you and I may not understand a gay man's attraction to other men on a visceral level, but we must understand on an intellectual level that it's a right in America to be however you want to be...and I suspect you already know that.

Let's keep hammering on this in the forums, you and I. OK? Those rightwing sons of bitches should NOT be allowed to equate homosexualty with pedophelia. They'll be sneaking trolls into DU, and those trolls will try to insinuate that idea oh-so-cleverly; let's catch and expose them as we can.

We owe it to our friends.

Redstone

[Zhade]

48. Thank you, Redstone. This queer appreciates your efforts!

NT!

[unschooler]

53. It's a deal. BTW, I'm a girl, not a guy. eom

[Redstone]

11. EXCUSE me? NAMBLA is NOT a part of the gay "group." You REALLY

need to read more, because you don't know jack shit about what you're talking about.

Redstone

[Kelvin Mace]

14. I don't consider NAMBLA a gay oganization

and find such views offensive in the extreme. If NAMBLA never marched in a gay pride parade, then we must KILL this lie.

[Redstone]

18. Then you need to have a little talk with "gotigers," don't you? I'm not

gay, and I found his post utterly offensive. Not to mention a bit trollish.

Redstoe

[Kelvin Mace]

22. Redstone

I am not a troll, there was NO intention to offend. I apologize for offending you. I am trying to kill this claim and am searching for anything which would help me do so.

[Redstone]

29. I was NOT accusing YOU of being a troll! I know you! Check your PM.

I'm really trying to help you you out here, and I apologize if one or more of my posts wasn't clear.

Check your PM, then get back to me if you would.

Redstone

[Kelvin Mace]

33. Cool.

Threads get confusing at time. :)

[Redstone]

35. Good deal. Remember, I'm on your side.

Redstone

[LostinVA]

39. God gods, you have got to be kidding me

Another proud member of the October Follies!

OOOH, wait! I hear the Three Billy Goats Gruff coming... we will be saved!

[Janice325]

3. And Buchanan bases this on

???????

[Buzz Clik]

9. Like most homophobes, Buchanan assumes gays recruit children.

It's ignorant but universal.

[Kelvin Mace]

19. The same thing that he bases the hippies

spitting on Vietnam vets, I'm sure. But I want to confirm it hasn't happened, or rather I am searching for any news account which would support such claim.

[Jack Rabbit]

4. I remeber they tried once in San Francisco

The locals gays let them know they were not welcome.

[Kelvin Mace]

23. This is what I would think

I can't see any gay group allowing NAMBLA to march in their parade.

[Eurobabe]

5. He is such a homophobic freak, calling gays 'flamers'

Foley is a PREDATOR, not a flamer. How fucking ignorant.

[Redstone]

6. Helluva question. I kind of doubt it, myself. Am looking forward to seeing

a definitive answer to your question. I doubted the veracity of that assertion myself.

Redstone

[HysteryDiagnosis]

7. Buchanan is a schizo. He argues one way one night and the next

he argues the other. He does this pathologically. The man needs a head job, I mean, he needs to see Frazier or whoever has a couch for rent. Mebbe he can call Foley and discuss his telling hyperhomophobia.

[wakeme2008]

12. If he said NAMBLA Supporters have marched I am sure they

have. But he painted with too broad a brush.

[Kelvin Mace]

24. Sorry, I don't take his word on ANYTHING.

I am searching for such as case on line, but haven't found one.

[Redstone]

31. And specifically why would you accpt his word at face value?

Redstone

[wakeme2008]

32. I said IF and SUPPORTERS

I am sure some Gays do support it ....

[Redstone]

41. Yeah, and some white people support the KKK.

So, your point is...?

Redstone

[tridim]

13. Wouldn't it be wacky if NAMBLA sued Buchanan for slander?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

16. Pat Buchanan: new expert on gay issues. The Repubs are taking over...

n/t

[kevinbgoode]

17. This is part of the GOP smear campaign

the typical con job these wackos manufacture to demonize us. I'm sure Pat Buchanan has attended at least one church where the clergy molested young boys and girls - hell, he probably even shook their hands and embraced their holy message.

This crap coming out of the mouth of a Repuke is unconscionable, especially since that party has the damned Moonies marching into their convention and bankrolling their campaigns and they are beholden to the wackiest coalition of KKK members of con-artist televangelistas this country has ever seen.

And he has the nerve to make assertions about people who march in the Gay Pride parades? Puh-leeze....there is nothing sleazier in this country than a Republican official.

[Kelvin Mace]

25. I agree

but I am trying to nail down the claim.

[Redstone]

34. Oh, yes, indeed. You are right. You KNOW that old Pat and his pals have

been working for DAYS to come up with that particular sound-bite bullshit.

You know that because he repeated it so many times. Along with the word "flamer."

Look, I'm not gay, but the SECOND he used the word "flamer," I KNEW he was working for the Great Republican Deflection team.

This is utter bullshit, and it offends me. This business of turning Foley's pedophilia into gay-bashing is utterly revolting.

Hey, all you DU guys who like guys rather than liking women, let me be honest with you, and you've heard me say this before: That's not my preference, but I'll defend to the death your right to like what you like...just because it's not what I like, doesn't make it wrong in any way.

Anyone who wants to equate male homosexuality with pedophilia, you send them to me and I'll be only too happy tokick their ass, OK?

Redstone

[immoderate]

20. These "Flamers?????"

What a pig!

--IMM

[David Dunham]

21. Nambla used to march in Pride parades but now is banned.

(from Wikpedia) NAMBLA had its beginnings in the 1970s during the height of the Sexual Revolution. It was at first central in the nascent gay political-activism community. The first Gay Pride parades in New York City featured boylove-themed entries. After the Anita Bryant episodes of the 1970s NAMBLA became gradually less accepted by the leadership of the larger gay movement. By 1994, the 25th anniversary of the Stonewall riots, the Nambla entry in the NYC Gay Pride parade was met with catcalls and derision by some observers, though not by all: some of the men and teenaged boys who marched that year were greeted with hugs and appreciation by a few of the onlookers. Note that this was the time that the same-gender oriented community became split. Many organizations such as NAMBLA and PROJECT TRUTH were no longer able to use the word " GAY ". Banned from the Pride Days and the community centres as well as the Gay Anarchists and other sympathetic and likewise scorned groups; once so an imprtant part of the early GAY movement.

[Kelvin Mace]

26. Damn!

So they did march as recently as '94?

[Redstone]

44. 1994 was a long time ago. Buchanan was sayiing it happens NOW.

Don't back off on this. Don't waver. It's too important.

Redstone

[Catherine Vincent]

27. I doubt it seriously.

Buchanan just blurted out a lie to equate that vile organization with gays. He's an asshole.

[ronnykmarshall]

28. Hell NO!

Yo Pat, drag your saggy ass to every pride event in the nation and see for yourself.

[AtomicKitten]

37. Pat Buchanan belongs to NAMBLA.

see, we can do it too

[Boomer]

46. You can't PC this away

The gay movement has a long and tumultous political/activist history in which many sexually taboo groups jostled for legitimacy, and NAMBLA was certainly one of them.

In the context of the 60s and 70s -- when people were challenging all manner of social mores and traditions -- the rise of NAMBLA was not met with universal revulsion from the gay community. You have to understand, our generation was questioning EVERY conventional institution: monogamy, marriage, gender roles, vanilla sex, and yes, even age taboos.

So, I don't remember if NAMBLA was present at the gay pride marches of New York City back when I lived there, but I wouldn't be particularly shocked to find out that it had been. In the fragmented and bickering collective of diverse, if not opposing, activist gay groups, there was little consensus about any issue and NAMBLA had it's supporters as well as its detractors.

[pinto]

47. And NAMBLA is pertinent to what?

I take no stand on NAMBLA, gay parades, or your original post. But the innuendo begs the question.

[donco6]

49. Not in any parades I've ever seen

And I've been around a while.

[Boomer]

51. Define "awhile"

Just curious. I'm in my mid-50s, so for me "around awhile" means at least 30 years, back to my 20s and the chaotic activism of the time. Those were pretty wild times....

[donco6]

52. Late 40s.

Wasn't around during the heyday, so I suppose they could have been there. But did anyone know who NAMBLA was then?

[Boomer]

54. NAMBLA started in the late 60s

As a young gay woman with no children, NAMBLA was an issue as far removed from me as possible, and yet even I had heard of them.

I don't remember being particularly scandalized about the organization at the time, but as I said, this simply wasn't an issue that touched me at a personal level. I was caught up in the political schisms of the lesbian world: separtists vs. non-separatists, monogamy vs. non-monogamy, bdsm vs. vanilla sex, yada yada yada.

My attitude has changed over time, partly a factor of maturity, but also because the sexual pradators issue has escalated as a hot button in society. It's hard to ignore, even though I still don't have children. My appreciation of the vulnerability of children has become more keen through the decades, so I'm firmly against loosening the few controls we have to protect them from adult sexual interest.

[TrogL]

50. Not any one I've seen

[gollygee]

55. Since when is Pat Buchanan an expert on gay pride parades?

I don't believe that for a second.