Woodward book: Carville yapped to wife, who spilled ballot challenge beans

[Bluebear]

...The book also reminds us what a small town this is. On election night 2004, GOP communications guru Mary Matalin was with Bush and Vice President Cheney and talking with her husband, Democratic strategist James Carville , who was close to -- but not in -- John Kerry 's campaign.

Kerry, Carville told her, was going to challenge 250,000 provisional ballots in Ohio, which could change the result there or tie things up for a long time. Matalin promptly told Cheney, and they met with Bush. The Kerry camp made the announcement shortly thereafter.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/01/AR2006100100687.html

[aquart]

1. Should anyone ever trust Carville again?

I don't know how anyone did, with that wife.

And whatever he paid him, Kerry should get back, with an apology.

[OzarkDem]

47. No

[WCGreen]

67. Second that NO!!!!

[oc2002]

69. I never did, and now am justified in my feelings he was not trustowrthy.

I hope he is finished.

[wisteria]

82. Agree! n/t

[Blue Gardener]

2. This is why I don't trust Carville anymore

You can't sleep with the enemy and maintain any kind of credibility.

[Canuckistanian]

34. Geez, when has information ever flowed the other way?

Carville must have stories that would curdle your blood.

But we never hear them.

[blm]

79. Exactly - Matalin was part of the Iraq Group operating at the WH, which

means she was part of the taking down of Plame and Wilson.

[w13rd0]

3. I understand those two are married...

...and from the looks of both of them, they can't be all that choosy, but seriously. She works for a vile bunch of traitors, and if he is going to be babbling to her, his ears need to be sealed shut so he hears NOTHING...

[tenshi816]

10. I don't see how they make the marriage work.

I couldn't live with anyone who I couldn't trust to keep a secret. Actually, Carville shouldn't have told her that information in the first place knowing what her job was, but if you can't confide - in confidence - with your life partner, then who the hell can you trust? Clearly, Matalin can't be trusted.

Strange bedfellows.

[blm]

32. Who says Carville expected her to stay silent?

Remember that glowing tribute he wrote for Karl in the year end issue of TIME?

[tenshi816]

42. Good point. That's very true.

Makes me queasy just thinking about it.

[depakid]

57. It's easy

He's basically a Nihilist. He doesn't believe in anything- or any of us.

You don't sleep with- much less marry a woman like that unless you have serious problems.

[Cha]

15. They look like brother and sister

..matlin looks like carville in drag so, of course, they're gonna stick together.

I wonder how woodward got the skinny on this? A deep throat in the bush regime?

[flordehinojos]

4. I am not sure what, "The Kerry camp made the announcement shortly thereaft

er" means. does it mean that as Matalin told Cheney that Kerry was going to challenge 250,000 provisional ballots in Ohio and Cheney told Bush, the Bushies threatened Kerry in any way, or had the ballots sealed, or stolen, or what?

i just don't understand the meaning of the paragraph. does anyone care to help me understand?

[zonkers]

5. I don't understand it either.

[Bluebear]

22. me neither

[CoffeeCat]

6. Who knows....

...but it appears that Kerry was going to challenge the Ohio vote--until Bush and Cheney got wind of the news.

Something happened in between, but we don't know what.

I do know that Kerry's concession seemed forced. He didn't want to give up. I got the impression that he was strong armed into surrendering.

At best, they called Kerry and voice a lot of anger--and made the case that he would be holding up Democracy in a time of war. At worst, they arranged to make Kerry's challenge impossible--by letting Kerry know that evidence would be destroyed and that GOP operatives were in control of Ohio--and his challenge would be fruitless.

Kerry was depressed after the election. This was more than a loss for him. I think he understood very well--that they rigged it. I also think he understood that there was no way for him to prove it.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Maybe they threatened to do something to Kerry's children

like they did to Ross Perot?

[flordehinojos]

14. yeah, i am sort of hazy on that now, but didn't we all think that Ross

Perot was CRAZY for claiming that to be his bowing out of the race in 1996(?)... time and history have proven it is the bushes who are the crazy ones.

[Lerkfish]

9. I suggested as much at the time and had my posts attacked here

and every time I bring up that his capitulation was sudden and the there had to be some behind the scenes threats or maneuvers, I angered more people here.


I still stand by my speculation: SOMETHING happened the night before his capitulation of grave significance, and we'll probably never know exactly what that was.

[flordehinojos]

13. too bad for democracy and the extinguishing of BUSH power that

kerry isn't telling. by not telling what sort of threats the crazed for power bushes made to kerry, kerry is enabling them, enabling their stealing of our democracy, and enabling the establishing of our american fascist state.

kerry had the microphone, he had the power to speak, he had the protection. he could have said something. he could still TELL THE WORLD how the bushes cajoled or threatened him into silence. HE COULD, if they threatened him and he tells, dismantle the bushes now and forever.

i don't give KERRY a pass.

[saracat]

36. Reallly? What protection did Kerry have? He wouldn't have been afraid for

himself, the man is a hero, but what about his wife and kids? Hmmm? One was studying abroad. No one can protect someone 100% of the time. And he has stepsons as well.Something very evil had to have been done.Carville should be banned from the party forever for this.I am sorry "You" don't give Kerry a pass.Undoubtably you have done more for this party and the nation than Kerry !:sarcasm: With the way some Democrats treat our candidates, I am surprised we can get anyone to run.We should at least be grateful to those who sacrificed so much.None of us know what happebned that night.Maybe none of us will never know but it is mean spirited and nasty to jump to conclusions that Kerry had less than honorable reactions.

[The Backlash Cometh]

66. Not only that, but it means that he can be manipulated again.

Assuming you're right.

[ShortnFiery]

18. SOMETHING happened the night before his capitulation of grave significance

I'm with you Lerkfish. Kerry folded like a cheap suit ... blackmail?

[bobbie]

48. Blackmail is part of the Skull and Bones tradition

Not that Kerry needed to be blackmailed IMO. I don't think he had any intention of winning, and his campaign performance showed that.

[blm]

74. Baloney - he WON and won all the debates DECISIVELY. Why would BushInc

have to work 24/7 to suppress Dem votes, purge voter rolls, and rig machines all over the country if Kerry was taking the dive YOU claim he did?

Kerry won 65 MILLION VOTES - he outPERFORMED Clinton and Gore. Point your finger at Kerry because you want the REAL culprits who were working against the party - Clinton, McAuliffe and Carville - to get off the hook.

[wisteria]

84. Kerry has nothing to hide. They couldn't blackmail him- no way!

My guess is the 250,000 ballots wouldn't of been there when it came time to count them. Carville was warning the Bush team to act before Kerry could.

[cynatnite]

38. With the repukes running everything right now...

including the courts it's understandable. Hell, Gonzo's got the Justice Dept. What's a guy to do?

I do agree...it was a forced concession. Otherwise, I think Kerry would have fought harder. He knew the stakes. Maybe, we'll know after the elections.

So much for the repukes to answer for so little time.

[bobbie]

45. I think something happened long before the capitulation

And that's the fact that Bush and Kerry both became Skull and Boners. Many didn't trust Kerry for that reason and I feel that he showed the mistrust was well placed. I firmly belive Kerry took a dive in 2004. He barely campaigned and then he rolled over and played dead when they were clearly stealing Ohio.

I don't believe for a second that Kerry legimately won the Dem primaries. He was well back in the pack and then alluva sudden he shoots to first place? The caucuses in particular are easy to corrupt (since Ohio at least allows those from other parties and states to caucus), and they probably were corrupted.

I don't understand why anyone would trust Kerry now that he's proved everyone's worst fears, that's he's a loyal member of the one-party system. What I don't understand is why Kennedy backed him, and still does.

On edit: For what it's worth I can't fathom how Carville can sleep with the devil, and how he can be trusted in light of that fact.

[DemonFighterLives]

52. Welcome to DU!

I think it was Iowa that pushed Kerry from the bottom to the top.
I wish that the primaries would have gone longer. There was a very good field of contenders.

[bobbie]

91. There was a very good field of contenders.

Yes there was. In a sane country General Clark or Rep Kucinich would be president right now.

[wisteria]

86. You can't be serious about what you say about Kerry. He won

the primaries fairly and he should of won the election. Gee, it isn't the first time the front runner in a primary doesn't get the nod for the nomination. And that junk about S&B is really ridiculous.

[bobbie]

93. I'm totally serious

The man took a dive IMO. I think his campaign and capitulation show how serious he was about taking over the white house from his fellow Boner.

After seeing fixed elections in 2000 and 2004, why is it so hard to believe that the primaries could be fixed?

[blm]

106. Because Iowa is a CAUCUS - no machines involved. Your BODY is counted

and you don't leave the room till the counting is over.


And further - why did YOU believe the media hype that was pushing Dean for so many months and completely UNDER-reporting the strength on the ground in Iowa that Kerry had?

And why do also believe that any nominee would have had a DIFFERENT Dem party infrastructure working than the one Kerry was stuck with?

Did any one of the nominees run on the idea that they would overhaul the collapsed party infrastructure FIRST before they went out to beat Bush?

[OzarkDem]

49. It is very strange

we deserve an answer from Kerry, at the least.

[bobbie]

95. Yes we do, and so does John Edwards

I wonder how he felt about Kerry's capitulation...

[The Backlash Cometh]

65. Did it have to do with a sealed information regarding to Theresa Kerry?

[Lerkfish]

70. I dunno

I think none of us ever will. But obviously, changing overnight from "I got your back and will make sure all your votes are counted whether I win or not" to "we don't have the votes necessary to win so I'm conceding the race" indicates SOMETHING happened, I just don't know what.

[blm]

75. We DO know what - the 250,000 provisional ballots turned into 150,000

Kerry was told the earlier number was a mistake.

Look INSIDE at who the Dem election team members are - because if they had Carville working the inside, than it's likely they had other traitors messing with numbers, too.

[Lerkfish]

77. no, you missed my point. Kerry promised to watch OUR backs, to make

sure OUR votes counted, regardless of whether he won or not.
What you're talking about, his reasons for giving up, were that he could not win...those are two different priorities.
Apparently, on the surface at least, it appeared that Kerry only had his own back, and we were left hanging.

What I suggest, though, is that below the surface, something monumental had to have happened.

[wisteria]

87. And, he has kept those promises the best and only way he could. n/t

[bobbie]

92. By rolling over and playing dead

At the most important moment of his professional life?

[Lerkfish]

97. but why was that the best and only way?

why wasn't it refusing to concede until votes were verified?

[flordehinojos]

12. this is easy to say (and probably who kows how difficult or impossible to

do) but why in the heck didn't KERRY go to the press with whatever threats the bush camp made.

supposedly this is a democracy. he is also a warrior. he fought in VIETNAM. he could've fought him off.

and time of war...heck KERRY knew, should have known, there is NO WAR. there is only BUSH OCCUPATION IN IRAQ AND AT THE OVAL OFFICE.

i am not giving KERRY A PASS.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

17. Yes, the way to defuse threats and blackmail is to GO PUBLIC

and I'm convinced that the abject caving-in behavior of so many Dem Congresscritters is due to threats and blackmail.

[CoffeeCat]

21. So true....

...Blackmail and threats are the only things that make sense. I can't otherwise explain how spineless the Democrats have been--while Junior shreds the Constitution and assaults democracy.

I agree with the sentiment here. Someone needs to get their threats/blackmail reminders taped, and come forward. If you've cheated on your wife or engaged in immoral behavior--you need to do the unselfish, moral thing and go public.

Watching the country swirl down the drain---because you want to keep secret that you cheated on your spouse, or took a bribe---has to be the ultimate in selfishness.

I know that I couldn't work in DC and walk by all of those monuments every day---knowing that my myopic need to guard personal secrets trumped the health and well being of democracy in the United States.

We need a hero.

[tblue37]

53. What do you think all that secret, warrantless wiretapping is for?

They gather stuff to blackmail political opponents with.

[saracat]

37. Of course and then explain the dead child to your spouse!

But , like Bush's war, it would be worth it right? :sarcasm:

[Horse with no Name]

28. Can you hide for the rest of your life?

Can your children? Grandchildren?
Bushco has been very patient.
This didn't start in 2000.
This started in the 1960's.
They have laid patiently waiting for the right time to take this country over. They have executed all the plans.
Now--if you know enough about someone or something--and if they tell you that they will kill your GRANDCHILDREN when you least expect it, what would you do?
He knows how patient they are.
Who would have believed him if he started running around contesting elections and then screaming they were going to kill grandchildren that didn't even exist yet?
I'm sorry. I give John Kerry a pass on this.

[blm]

31. That's not what is being said - Carville tells Matalin about the challenge

to 250,000 ballots that Kerry is going to launch - as I recall the rest of the story at this point some tiime after Kerry is told the 250,000 number was incorrect that it was actually only 150,000, that the earlier number was a mistake.

Well, maybe that right there is where the Dem MOLES Carville was working with jiggered the numbers to make it impossible to make up the difference.

[The Backlash Cometh]

64. Could it have anything to do with the declassification of Theresa Kerry's

personal information? I think it had something to do with details in a lawsuit with reference to her first husband's death? Did that ever go through?

[blm]

76. That went through and there was NOTHING out of place there.

Typical will stipulations from a wealthy American with a still young family.

[blm]

27. If Carville was acting from the inside, then they likely had OTHER insider

Dems working the numbers.

No threat would be needed. Just people interested in keeping Bush in power for another term while they gain control of Dem party for the 2008 election.

And BushInc won't mind as long as they agree to keep the books closed...... AGAIN.

[cboy4]

8. I like Carville....he was a outstanding during the Lewinsky scandal

and outstanding recently concerning the Clinton interview on Faux.

I consider him a good Democrat, despite his choice in spouses.

I just like the guy.

[Cha]

16. Good for you..traitors can

be real likeable..with their big loose lips.

I have to ask.. what else has he told matlin over the years?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. Really!

As one who can't stand to be around hardcore Republicans for ten minutes, much less ten years, I have to wonder whether it's all just a game for Carville or whether he has a core of inviolable principles (such as not snitching on the guy you're working for). Evidently not.

[OnionPatch]

59. I don't buy it

I can't see a way in hell that two people who are so involved in politics on opposing sides like they are could possibly have a real, meaningful marriage and still be true to their political beliefs. I have to conclude that neither can be trusted.

[blm]

24. after the Clinton interview he was on TV crowing that Clinton showed Dems

how to fight back..

Bullshit. Clinton waited five years to defend those charges that were being made after 9-11. Dems running in 2002 and 2004 were stuck with the meme that "Dems are weak on terror because Bill Clinton did NOTHING for 8 years" and Clinton remained silent unless he was publically voicing approval and support for Bush and his policies throughout the first term.

And Clinton never backed up ANY Democrat when they went after Bush on his failures - not on Tora Bora, not on Iraq, not on Abu Ghraib.

What did it take for Clinton to FINALLY speak up? Bush's low approval ratings and the likely scenario that Dems win in 2006 and he can take credit for it instead of ALL the Dems who have been working their asses off opposing Bush since 9-11 and Dean working his ass off to rebuild the Dem party infrastructure and secure Dem votes.

[KittyWampus]

25. How do you suppose Woodward knows this about Carville?

Do you think Kerry was threatened or given the low-down dirty by Cheney's camp?

[blm]

26. No threat - I think they had a mole jigger the numbers in Ohio.

If Carville was feeding them info, then no doubt other "established" Dem insiders were doing the same.

[AtomicKitten]

43. maybe

because some people complain when Clinton does speak up just as they complain when he doesn't.

Maybe Path to 9/11 was the piece de resistance and that coupled with being double-crossed by Faux News in an interview caused him to explode.

I think the misunderstanding about Clinton has more to do with the abject lack of respect for him. He is a former two-term president. The expectation that he should ask 'how high' when some say 'jump' is absurd.

The truth of the matter is there isn't a damn thing he has every done nor will ever do that will be deemed satisfactory by some. A little bit of perspective might clear up some of these misunderstandings.

And the fact that some feel the world revolves around and has in some way failed John Kerry merely punctuates that point.

[blm]

58. TClinton didn't see that his silence hurt the 2002 Dem candidates who were

being hung with HIS mantle of "weak on terror" Dems?

You really think he waiited until 2006 because of some final straw? You really think he's that DUMB? You really think he's that stoic - that he bore 5 years of hits and lies about 9-11 blame because his character is so strong - oh yeah - sorry about that Dem PARTY?

It's MORE than Kerry, AK, the whole DEMOCRATIC PARTY was labeled weak on terror the day after 9-11 and there was only one voice that existed that could take it on since he was the reason it was gaining as a meme, and that was Clinton.

[AtomicKitten]

80. and you are blaming one man for the "weak on terror" meme

You may recall Gore wanted Clinton to butt out of the 2000 election. Do you have any evidence that that message has since been rescinded by the Democrats? As I recall, none of the 2004 presidential candidates wanted him anywhere near their campaigns.

Much has transpired since 2001, including the bogus 9/11 Commission during which Richard Clarke came out like gangbusters dispelling the "weak on terror" myth, yet the myth prevails to this day thanks to the GOP Wrecking Machine who continue to parrot the same empty rhetoric. Clinton being on the receiving end of their particular brand of insidious lies for many, many years knows perfectly well the truth means nothing to these people.

And, yes, I do think the blatant lies of Path to 9/11 were the final straw particularly because of the claim that it was based on 9/11 Commission findings. If you have followed Keith Olbermann's description of his interview with Clinton that occurred right after the Faux brouhaha, particularly KO last night on Letterman, it is clear the confrontation on Faux News was genuine and spontaneous.

You cast aspersions here on DU, but you have no evidence that Bill Clinton's input was at any point requested by the Democrats since it had been summarily rejected shortly after leaving office. Ironically, some of your fellow Kerry supporters have bitched him up one side and down the other for having spoken up, and you are upset that he hasn't done it sooner. Reminds me of Goldilocks; nothing he ever does is just right.

[blm]

98. Why on earth would anyone claim that because Gore kept his distance in

2000, that no Democrat wanted Clinton to come forward and refute the lies against him after 9-11?

What kind of Bizarro logic is that?

BushInc had no problem getting Clinton to speak up in support of many of their policies from 2001-2005.

And Clinton was pretty much the head of the Dem party with his handpicked leader of the DNC - Terry McAuliffe.

Please name the 2002 and the 2004 primary candidates who didn't want Clinton speaking up for himself and Dem policies - because I believe that is an untrue statement that cannot be backed up.

[AtomicKitten]

100. it's the bizzarologic of the

Kerry camp. Pissed off that Clinton doesn't step in and pissed off that he does. So, which is it? Is there an ounce of continuity in your complaints about Clinton? When you get that straight then you are entitled to question others.

[blm]

101. I always said Clinton needed to refute the 9-11 blame, and was mad he

waited so long after two election cycles went by - and then when he did come out and say something, his elves came out the next day and said he had to show other Dems what a spine looks like - completely contrary to the fact that many Dems HAD been opposing BushInc throughout the entire 5 years Clinton would not and without public backup from him.

Why would it be inconsistent in your mind that people are GLAD Clinton spoke up but wish he had done it throughout the 5 years he was being blamed for 9-11 so that the story was set straight BEFORE the 2002 and 2004 elections?

[goclark]

35. He is a traitor , a turn coat

and a disappointment of the highest order.

He was superb for Clinton but from the moment he met his BUSHCO wife, that was the end of his "fire in the belly for Democrats."

Sorry, I don't trust him one inch.

[OzarkDem]

50. I used to, but he hasn't done anything for Dems lately

aside from helping Clinton out now and then, Carville has done nothing but hurt Dems.

Since Clinton isn't running for office right now, I'm not sure Carville has been of any help at all. He needs to just go away.

[wisteria]

89. He is not a Democrat as much as he is a Clinton. He had nothing

to lose in 04, by being a turncoat to Kerry- it wasn't a Clinton race.

[woodsprite]

11. Always hated Carville and his wife - just confirmed my suspicions. nt

[Hippo_Tron]

20. Before reading too much into this, how credible is Bob Woodward?

Considering the last two books that he has written...

[Bluebear]

23. Someone enterprising could ask Carville/Matalin

See how they recollect the incident maybe?

[Horse with no Name]

29. Credible enough.

The only thing that I can tell you for certain is, that he is faithful to whomever is bankrolling him.
Just looks like he has a new boss and he is firing the old one.

[QuestionAll...]

30. pawn.

phonetically, in Ukrainian, 'pawn' is like a lord, a big shit or so he thinks.

funny how language is.

[bobbie]

46. Excellent point Hippo_Tron

Bob Woodward is the king of media whores. He has zero cred with me.

[blm]

54. Then Carville has had his lawyer contact Woodward, right?

.

[Gabi Hayes]

33. oops...wrong thread

[Bluebear]

40. It's OK, come on in

:hi:

[The Count]

39. Sooo....what was said in that phone call, I'd like to know, more than the

Carville/Matalin marriage.
What was the price we've been sold for?

[judaspriestess]

41. I saw an interview of Carville/Matalin on I think Meet the Press

a few years ago. I was curious how they got along. They laughed at just about everything they said about their opposing parties and were constantly trying to one up each other.

They really are one in the same.

[patricia92243]

44. Carville should not be allowed to be on TV representing the Democratic

Party. He has brought this on himself, and I feel no sympathy - at all - for him.

[DemonFighterLives]

51. Great Thread!

Allow me to throw a few things out here.
After Carville tied up with Matalin, you have to wonder about his judgment and obviously his secret keeping.

dubco is always bound to do the worst possible things to people and stories. Once they drop some lines about people becoming "Welstoned" or perhaps a little anthrax in the mail, mouths' close. Look at Daschle, Dayton, etc- blackmail is top option. As far as what was done to Kerry- who knows. My personal beliefs are that some on our side cut deals with the dark side. Look at how Dean was gaining momentum and the next thing you know, he was "screamed" out and Kerry was in and when we needed him most, he went belly up.

More on suspicious activity: Why has the big dog gotten so cozy with the crime family? Has he been promised a "Hillary" post?

Nothing surprises me anymore and I am now suspicious of them all.
:tinfoilhat:
Waiting for the next war and no one is coming to the rescue.
Sorry for the doom and gloom.
:rant:

[blm]

55. I think you have it wrong. If Kerry took a dive, then why would BushInc

work overtime to suppress votes and have to rig machines all over the country to stay in power?

If he wanted Bush to win, Kerry would have lost at least one debate to the chimp, but he won them all DECISIVELY, so Bush and his mediawhores didn't even have wiggle room to declare debate victory.

Some of you forget that the media tried to kill Kerry's campaign off FIRST before they set their sights on Dean's minor mistakes. Kerry was just able to recover using his own money, his consistent debate performances, and sheer determination in Iowa.

Kerry has been the convenient target for those who want to point to a villain, but that certainly served to distract from the ACTUAL villains disservicing Kerry and the Dem party - Terry McAuliffe and James Carville - and I doubt they were doing it JUST for the Bushes.

[DemonFighterLives]

102. I know Kerry won all of the debates

but nothing was made out of it. He could have pounced much harder on the frothing at the mouth chimpanzee. I also don't think Kerry played hard enough with the swiftboaters. That is what sticks with me- lackluster campaign. He should have walked all over dubby and did not. He never once pointed out that dubby was Awol.

I had more respect for Kerry before he ran for President. Sorry! He is still a great man and could do wonders for this country, but he needs to get it together.
I was proud of the candidates and liked them all, but Dean was becoming my favorite till he got blackballed.

Terry McAuliffe did no favors. It was the whole DNC's idea to chase the elusive and non-existent middle that was the worst mistake.

[blm]

105. You are pointing to MEDIA FAILURES to report what Kerry did.

Check out the Research Forum here at DU - there is a data dump there for the sifts and how the media acted complicitly with them and ignored Kerry's counterattacks on them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=358&topic_id=2555&mesg_id=4440

Plus - after the third debate, Kerry held a huge rally where everyone wielded brooms indicating his SWEEP - had it been the Bush campaign pumping up debate wins, the media would have talked about it at high volume. They barely gave that rally any notice. They give more airtime to basketball or baseball series sweeps than they did to a sweep of the presidential debates.

[depakid]

56. Anyone who has a guy like Carville around

a guy who OBVIOUSLY stands for nothing other than gaming the system- deserves what they get.

[blm]

63. Carville's part of Dem TAPESTRY now and tight w/ Clinton and McAuliffe

He needs to be exposed for his treason. And I doubt he was ONLY doing the bidding of BushInc.

[spooked]

60. Carville deserves our respect

he was instrumental in getting Clinton elected.


When Clinton had literally lost his voice on the campaign trail, Carville is the one who told him to tell the voters:

I'll let you speak for me tomorrow (at the polls) and I promise to be YOUR VOICE of the future!


Carville's a good guy.

[blm]

62. That was a PRE-Mary Matalin Carville. THIS Carville committed TREASON

by covering up for Mary on Plame/Wilson and the Iraq Group, And for funnelling privileged info to Mary on election day strategies. And for his glowing tribute to Karl Rove one month later for TIME.

YOU respect that? Go ahead. Not me.

[mom cat]

61. SO KERRY WON!

[wisteria]

90. I now think so and I am not a conspiracy nut. n/t

[oc2002]

68. Any Democratic candidate stupid enough to have Carville on his staff

..deserves to lose the elections.

[blm]

73. Carville wasn't ON Kerry's staff, he was with Dem PARTY'S election team

and Terry McAuliffe and Clinton were in charge of that.

[TornadoTN]

71. Carville is a joke hack

He gets not respect from me whatsoever. The whole marriage to Mary Matalin seems more like a show rather than substance. Maybe they do love each other, but with so much pre-planned, tri-angulated media B.S. that Carville is seemingly always putting forth, I don't put much stock into the man.

He should stick with his shitty program on XM where he talks sports with Russerts son. At least there he doesnt influence anyone.

[Beelzebud]

72. I don't trust Carville. I never have.

He's an opportunist, that is married to an opportunist, and together they are just in D.C. to make millions and retire.

[undeterred]

78. Any man who would marry that bitch needs his head examined.

[wisteria]

81. What happened with the original provisional ballot count?

Are we to believe the count was incorrect? Between 250,000 and 150,000 is a large miscount.
Carvelle needs to be shown the door for betraying Democrats trust. What a little weasel.

[Imagevision]

83. This could easily be taken out of context...

[Bluebear]

85. Please go on...

[Greyhound]

88. Mr. Inside - Mrs. Outside.

And it's just now dawning on us? Every good grifter, hell, even the bad ones knows how this game works.

[LeftyMom]

94. I don't trust Carville, but I don't think Woodward is reliable, either

I wouldn't write anybody out of the party based purely on Woodward's word, because I don't think it's worth the tree that died to print it.

[Crabby Appleton]

103. me too

I don't trust either Carville or Woodward.

[Clinton Crusader]

96. As a slight aside....could you be married to a repug?

I fits this thread and the general theme of the more than bizzaro world mating of Carville and Matlin...

I am married to a fan of my most hatred rival in sports. We know what lines to cross, where to stop, etc. but we are def. on two sides of the proverbial line.

But I could never ever in a million lifetimes even DATE a repug or be friends with one. This subject riles me like no other, makes my blood pressure soar through the top of my skull, well, you get the point. My father is a repug (once a Dem) and the FIGHTS! :scared: Other family members have to step in and call a truce.

We moved recently and now live in a predominantly repug area, but proudly display Dem lawn signs.

But married? Either death or divorce would ensue. Not necessarily in that order..

[LSK]

99. I am getting this book tonite

:popcorn:

[Wilms]

104. K&R n/t