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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:16 PM
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Is the Congressional Leadership AFRAID of the BFEE?
Can't blame them. They have good reason to be.



Congress folk from both sides of the aisle have seen with their own eyes what happens to those who stand up to the Bush Crime Family. Its not just the ballot box or place of employment where people who oppose the Bush Mafia lose. People in positions of power are eliminated. Consider:

John F. Kennedy, Jr., son of assassinated President John F. Kennedy and publisher of George, a glossy political journal, who almost certainly would have opposed Selection 2000. Died in an unexplained plane crash in 1999.

Jim Hatfield, author of Fortunate Son an unauthorized biography of Baby Doc Bush and an article entitled Why Would Osama bin Laden Want to Kill Dubya, his Former Business Partner? a July 2001 article that named James R Bath as the business go-between for the bin Ladens and the Bushes. Supposedly a suicide.

Bob Stephens, photo editor of The National Enquirer, the weekly tabloid that had run several unflattering pictures of the drunken Bush twins and was running articles stating Jeb Bush had gamed the 2000 election in Florida, inhaled anthrax bacteria and died. The anthrax was discovered to have come from the Ames strain, a type developed as a weapon by the U.S. Army. Several members of Congressall Democratsalso received anthrax mailings. Others, who received anthrax mailings died, apparently random victims.

Cliff Baxter, ENRON vice chairman, who had told friends he was going to cooperate with Congressional investigators and was considering hiring a bodyguard when he unexplainedly left his home in his pajamas one evening and was found shot to death inside his car, parked a short distance from his house.

Paul Wellstone, who opposed the illegal Iraq invasion and was described as the White Houses number one enemy on Capitol Hill, died in an unexplained plane crash.

Dr. David Kelly, who said the pre-war intelligence claiming Iraq was capable of delivering WMDs was sexed-up to build a phony case for war with the public. Found drugged and dead in the woods near his home.

John. J. Kokal, the State Department middle east expert who was reported to have openly opposed the war because he knew there were no WMDs in Iraq. Found dead from injuries suffered in a fall from the State Department roof.

Konstantinos Gus Boulis, self-made millionaire who sold his fleet of Florida gambling boats to Jack Abramoff and later opposed Abramoffs efforts to bilk him out of monies owed. Victim of a professional assassination. BTW: Abramoff pled guilty to defrauding a bank in the deal.

U.S. Army Colonel Theodore Ted Westhusing, on duty in Iraq, where he was investigating contract violations and human rights abuses by US Investigations Services, the Office of Federal Investigations and contracts to Carlyle Group connected companies. On the day his bodyguard was relieved of duty, Col. Westhusing was found shot to death inside his trailer.

We must also consider the case of Valerie Plame, whose husband, Ambassador Joseph Wilson, enraged the Bush administration by going public with evidence that Iraq had not attempted to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger. Plame, for those new to the subject, served as a non-official cover (NOC) CIA intelligence officer. All she did, along with some of her co-workers at Brewster Jennings & Associates, was spearhead efforts to prevent the spread of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons around the world.

Bush and Co. threw Plame, her company, their contacts and network around the world to the wolves by publicly naming her as a CIA agent. Hers was very dangerous work. As a NOC, she had no government protection if she was discovered to be a spy or her company became compromised. And because she was a spy working in what appeared to be an energy consulting company, she worked under cover, like an FBI agent infiltrating the Mafia. So naming Plame was like an Attorney General publicly fingering a man whos infiltrated the Mafia as an undercover FBI agent.

Blowing Plames cover also means that the White House has no compunction against sacrificing the life of a woman and her network of agents, associates and contacts. Whats even more craven and treasonous, leaking her name endangered the national security of the United States and made it easier for the nuclear nightmare to spread. And Bush and his henchmen did not care, not one bit.

Thats evil. Thats some NAZI shit.

The point:

We must show the Congressional Leadership and Membership that they are not alone in facing the BFEE.

We the People are there along with them.

And we are counting them to do the right thing.

That includes opposing the Alito SCOTUS nomination.

That includes opposing the USA PATRIOT Act and all their treasonous policies.

And that includes not "going along to get along" with the Fourth Reich."

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:20 PM
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1. No doubt they and ALL THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS were wiretapped, too.
Imagine what it has been like for the last 4 years. BushInc always gets a jump ahead because he KNOWS who is jumping and what they're jumping on.

Think National Guard records, for instance.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:02 PM
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9. NSA Spying Evolved Pre-9/11
There's nothing like inside knowledge when it comes to:

1. Playing the ponies, like in a rigged trifecta.
2. Playing the stock market, like inside traders do.
3. Blackmailing a victim, like the Mafia does.



NSA Spying Evolved Pre-9/11

by Jason Leopold
January 17, 2006
http://www.opednews.com

In the months before 9/11, thousands of American citizens were inadvertently swept up in wiretaps, had their emails monitored, and were being watched as they surfed the Internet by spies at the super-secret National Security Agency, former NSA and counterterrorism officials said.

The NSA, with full knowledge of the White House, crossed the line from routine surveillance of foreigners and suspected terrorists into illegal activity by continuing to monitor the international telephone calls and emails of Americans without a court order. The NSA unintentionally intercepts Americans' phone calls and emails if the agency's computers zero in on a specific keyword used in the communication. But once the NSA figures out that they are listening in on an American, the eavesdropping is supposed to immediately end, and the identity of the individual is supposed to be deleted. While the agency did follow protocol, there were instances when the NSA was instructed to keep tabs on certain individuals that became of interest to some officials in the White House.

What sets this type of operation apart from the unprecedented covert domestic spying activities the NSA had been conducting after 9/11 is a top secret executive order signed by President Bush in 2002 authorizing the NSA to target specific American citizens. Prior to 9/11, American citizens were the subject of non-specific surveillance by the NSA that was condoned and approved by President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, according to former NSA and counterterrorism officials.

The sources, who requested anonymity because they were instructed not to talk about NSA activities but who hope they can testify before Congress about the domestic spying, said that in December 2000, the NSA completed a report for the incoming administration titled "Transition 2001," which explained, among other things, how the NSA would improve its intelligence gathering capabilities by hiring additional personnel.

Moreover, in a warning to the incoming administration, the agency said that in its quest to compete on a technological level with terrorists who have access to state-of-the-art equipment, some American citizens would get caught up in the NSA's surveillance activities. However, in those instances, the identities of the Americans who made telephone calls overseas would be "minimized," one former NSA official said, in order to conceal the identity of the American citizen picked up on a wiretap.

CONTINUED...

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_jason_le_060117...



It's no mystery predicting the future when you control the present.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:22 PM
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2. Don't the cons have a similar list about the Clintons?
Not to say that the BFEE aren't scary, but we should beware of tinfoil-hattery.

Just sayin'.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:26 PM
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4. Tin foil??
What, pray tell, are you talking about?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 06:14 AM
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36. No tin foil needed if half of what this guy has to say is true.....

I am living proof that both Bush administrations have a sordid history of launching brutal attacks against uncorrupt Americans when the Bushes believe that their political ambitions are in jeopardy. Based on my experience, I can assure you that what the Bush administration did in the Wilson/Plame matter amounts to little more than "business as usual".

THERE'S MUCH MORE


http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/6/61854/9150
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:23 PM
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3. Many haven't the courage to overcome economic threats,...
,...let alone threats against their very lives.

Nevertheless, although there are obviously those republicans who are genuine right-wing fascists, I do wish the rest would look at us and figure, "If those Americans have the courage to stand up to an administration bent upon destroying our democratic institution, surely I have that courage within me, too".

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:26 PM
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49. Thus they should FILIBUSTER ALITO. What Ralph Reed said...
... is where America heads.

C'mon Congress!

Stop these gangster NAZIs now!

Get up and make a stand.

If not now, when?


What the future holds...



Ralph Reed to speak on Alito, court system

Published , January 17, 2006, 06:00:01 AM EDT

Ralph Reed, a University graduate and Republican candidate for lieutenant governor, will speak tonight in the Student Learning Center.

The former president of the Christian Coalition and senior Bush campaign official will deliver a lecture entitled Samuel Alito, Conservative Judges and the Future of the Courts, sponsored by the conservative newspaper Guard Dawg and the Francis Schaeffer Society, a Christian activism group.

The lecture is a chance for students to get to know Reed as a candidate and as a person, said David Kirby, a junior from Acworth and publisher of Guard Dawg.

Reed, who holds a doctorate in history, has a solid intellectual foundation for speaking about the courts, Kirby said.

Just like every professor has expertise, Dr. Reed has his own expertise, Kirby said.

In addition, since Reed has a good pipeline into the White House as a former political consultant, he offers a great balance of perspective, said Tim Echols, a graduate

CONTINUED...

http://www.redandblack.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2006/01/...



Some sick puppy:



RALPH REED LECTURE Samuel Alito, Conservative Judges and the Future of the Courts
-Who: Ralph Reed, candidate for lieutenant governor, former Republican strategist, senior Bush campaign official
-When: 7 tonight
-Where: SLC Room 248
-Cost: Free



Next to Ralphi, Damien looks good.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:27 PM
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5. When Clinton was President
there were allegations of murder and many many other things which were later found to be false. So when you make these accusations, you should state that all you are saying is your opinion and that there is absolutely no proof at all that the Bushies did it. Please be very very careful when making allegations like the ones you are making.We do need to stand up to this administration, but we don't need to make unproven and possibly untrue allegations against them. Not without concrete proof.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 09:45 PM
Response to Reply #5
48. This post gets my vote for
the most UNuseful and probably counterproductive post on DU in the last 12 months.

And this poster gets my vote for the most poorly informed DUer on the subject of the Bush Crime Family.

As a matter of FACT, Octafish's list is a painfully short one. My own list is much longer, even without all the journalists killed in Iraq by our own troops.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:37 PM
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53. Denial of Moussaoui FISA Warrant: The Smoking Gun?
Did you see this one, RazzleDazzle?

A reminder of who the real enemy is:



TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-18-04 04:18 AM
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Denial of Moussaoui FISA Warrant: The Smoking Gun?

Edited on Sun Apr-18-04 04:35 AM by TruthIsAll

From The Wilderness Publications...

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According to The Wall Street Journal, the FBI did not tell the White House about Moussaoui until after Sept. 11.

But it is a safe bet that the CIA's Tenet did. Even before learning about Moussaoui, Tenet's President's Daily Brief of Aug. 6 bore the title 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.' When analysts working in Tenet's Counterterrorist Center were warned about Moussaoui a few weeks before Sept. 11, it is inconceivable that they would not have told Tenet. He is, by law, 'the principal advisor to the president for intelligence matters related to national security,' and is entitled to 'all intelligence related to the national security, which is collected by any department, agency or other entity of the United States.'

Tenet's people learned about Moussaoui in a back-door message from the FBI Field Office in Minneapolis enlisting the CIA's help in obtaining information on Moussaoui from French intelligence. The French promptly pointed out Moussaoui's affiliations with radical fundamentalist groups and Osama bin Laden. (The French service had been keeping close tabs on the likes of Moussaoui, having foiled a plan by Algerian terrorists to crash an airplane into the Eiffel Tower in 1994.)<29>

This was not news to anybody who had read the Rowley Memo, but it really was newsworthy, because it came from someone closely associated with the Agency. And McGovern has been generous with his political capital on more recent occasions; he spoke at the 9/11/03 second anniversary events in New York, and though he concentrated his fire on the Neocons' Iraq fiasco, the event at which he spoke (the panel, the agenda, the literature in the lobby, the subjects of the other talks, even the date of the event) was entirely focused on 9/11.<30> Even if Mr. McGovern had adjusted his tie and quietly recited the alphabet, there would still be heavy symbolism in the sight of an ex-CIA analyst seated on a dias with Mike Ruppert, John Judge, Kyle Hence, and Cynthia McKinney.<31> The sight of McGovern on the stage was more significant than anything he was at liberty to say.
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"Lone-Star Justice" by Stephanie Mencimer... burden of proof that a search warrant in a ... American Bar Association, Lamberth, the FISA court's chief ... the bureau should have requested for Zacarias Moussaoui. ...
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Cosmos Left... agents sought authorization for a FISA warrant to search ... to allow a search of Moussaoui's computer hard ... FBI boss Robert Mueller categorically denied the FBI ...
www.cosmosleft.com/pages/8/ - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


AlterNet: Who Knew?: The Unanswered Questions of 9/11... by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant ... by omitting key intelligence information about Moussaoui from a ... To obtain a warrant under the Foreign ...
www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=16749 - 41k - Apr 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


Cassel: Civil Liberties Watch :... wiretaps issues by the secret FISA court or ... have had secret warrants (or no warrants), secret hearings ... produce its start witness against Moussaoui because (are ...
http://babelogue.citypages.com:8080/ecassel/2003/06/12 - 37k - Cached - Similar pages


REVIEW - Forbidden Truth: US-Taliban Secret Oil Diplomacy, Saudi ...... FBI FISA warrant requests regarding investigations of terrorist suspects like the case of Moussaoui, the infamous "20th hijacker", were categorically denied by ...
www.mapcruzin.com/rev_forbidden_truth.htm - 30k - Cached - Similar pages


Kristen Breitweiser... in Minnesota attempted to get a FISA warrant, but they ... A crucial mistake, because Zacarias Moussaoui's possessions contained ... But, why was this request denied? ...
www.angelfire.com/az/sthurston/kristen.html - 33k - Cached - Similar pages


Too Much of a Good ThingFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... to meet another requirement of the FISA law that ... For a few weeks, investigators thought Moussaoui was the ... US forces would not be waging war in Afghanistan ...
www.andrew.cmu.edu/course/67-302/NeilMunro.pdf - Similar pages


After 9/11: Government's Policies Come Under Attack... Moussaoui, initially believed to be part of the Sept ... on probable cause, or through a warrant issued under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). ...
www.nylawyer.com/news/02/09/091102c.html - 31k - Cached - Similar pages


UQ Wire: The Crimes Of 9/11 (Part 1) Wednesday, 12 February 2003 ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... Denied a US visa on four occasions, al-Shibh cabled money to ... evidence that would have justified issuance of a FISA warrant to open Moussaouis laptop ...
www.assassinationscience.com/CrimesofStateI.pdf - Similar pages


John Ashcroft Testimony to 9/11 Commission on National Review ...... After the FBI arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious ... The warrant was rejected because FBI officials feared ... PATRIOT ACT was challenged, the FISA Court of ...
www.nationalreview.com/document/ashcroft200404131644.as... - 33k - Apr 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


Serendipity... Coleen Rowley's Minneapolis office getting the FISA warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui's computer hard ... to an unprovoked act of war against citizens of ...
www.democrats.com/view.cfm?id=7696 - 30k - Cached - Similar pages


Cheney's Victory: Archive Entry From Brad DeLong's Webjournal... given the hard work and clear thinking of Clinton & Gore, were denied us by ... Simple facts: They HAD TO apply for a FISA warrant to search Moussaoui's computer ...
www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/00... - 68k - Apr 17, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


How the 9/11 investigations have been sabotaged... in Minnesota attempted to get a FISA warrant but they ... A crucial mistake because Zacarias Moussaoui's possessions contained ... But, why was this request denied? ...
www.questionsquestions.net/docs0212/1216_sabotage.html - 38k - Cached - Similar pages


House Judiciary Committee Request for Information on DOJ ...... than the jurisdiction of the court issuing the warrant? ... in the investigations of Zacarias Moussaoui, John Walker ... authority and how many FISA applications for ...
www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/usapatriot/foia/jud_comm... - 65k - Cached - Similar pages


Senator wants FBI to explain bonus for official in 9/11 case... found insufficient probable cause and denied the request ... others were questioned about the Moussaoui case ... have concluded" was sufficient to obtain a FISA warrant. ...
www.prisonplanet.com/news_alert_011303_911.html - 8k - Cached - Similar pages
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The Other War... secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to conduct ... of the legality of the warrant or of ... public the appeal of Zacharias Moussaoui, who, according ...
www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=850 - 31k - Apr 17, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


Salon.com: The Secret Society - Under Ashcroft, America is ...... police activities and spying activities under FISA. ... the administration chooses to try Moussaoui before such a ... searches and wiretaps without warrants; and allow ...
www.refuseandresist.org/police_state/art.php?aid=899 - 24k - Apr 17, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


High Country Citizens for Peace and Justice - High Country ...... now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant ... omitting key intelligence information about Moussaoui from a ... for failure. To obtain a warrant under the ...
www.highcountrypeace.org/article.php?op=Print&sid=1229 - 27k - Cached - Similar pages


Digital Casebook... Order, Detention, Treatment, and Trial of Certain Non-Citizens in the War Against Terrorism ... Problem The Zacarias Moussaoui Case. ... Implementing FISA Authority. ...
www1.law.ucla.edu/~abrams/casebook.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


FrontPage magazine.com :: Ashcroft: Clinton Neutered FBI by ...... After the FBI arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious ... The warrant was rejected because FBI officials feared ... Patriot Act was challenged, the FISA Court of ...
www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12994 - 37k - Apr 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


Send comments, leads, tips or other information... reporters willing to stay once war breaks out ... the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) Review Court ... for accused terrorist Zacarais Moussaoui have access ...
www.rcfp.org/behindthehomefront/archive/2003_02.html - 65k - Cached - Similar pages


Homefront Confidential: A chronology of events... Within ten days after Moussaoui files his documents, the United ... USA PATRIOT Act, the government may obtain search warrants from the secret FISA Court where ...
www.rcfp.org/homefrontconfidential/timeline.html - 59k - Cached - Similar pages
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USATODAY.com - Bush administration appeals court ruling ...... among other things loosened standards for obtaining warrants. ... Moussaoui now is awaiting trial on conspiracy charges in ... that judges have rarely denied a request ...
www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2002-08-23-spy-court-a... - 48k - Cached - Similar pages


PATRIOTWATCH... Secret FISA Warrants Overwhelm Justice-85% Increase in 3 ... Even after warrants are approved, the FBI often ... Britain, and for that matter, France miss Moussaoui? ...
www.patriotwatch.org / - 69k - Apr 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


the News Insider : the News Insider commentary... if they could show there was probable cause to believe Moussaoui was an agent ... was denied and then the agents tried to get a warrant under FISA, the court ...
www.newsinsider.org/commentary/intelligence_crimes_of_9... - 90k - Cached - Similar pages


Colleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller... to seek a criminal or a FISA warrant, could be ... from even attempting to question Moussaoui on the ... suspect under a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant. ...
www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_whistleblower1.htm - 58k - Cached - Similar pages


TalkLeft: Pentagon Stops DOJ From Calling Witnesses In Terror ...... by the Patriot Act and the secret FISA Review Court ... to three key witnesses is being denied by other ... al-Qaida terrorists, and Zacarias Moussaoui, the French ...
http://talkleft.com/new_archives/001465.html - 16k - Cached - Similar pages


SeniorNet RoundTable Discussions - Political News/Issues Not in ...... After the FBI arrested Moussaoui, agents became suspicious ... enacting the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). ... Not one, 1 warrant has been denied ...
http://discussions.seniornet.org/cgi-bin/WebX?50@112.44 ... - 45k - Apr 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


Homeland Security ReportFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
... No warrant was sought in the Moussaoui case, and his ... the rules that apply to all FISA applications, officials ... an effort to support Iraq in its war against the ...
www.mipt.org/pdf/hsr77.pdf - Similar pages


Officials believe that Moussaoui, the first person to be ... issuing of single jurisdiction search warrants, and permitting ... which may be subject to FISA subpoena. ...
www.pacificu.edu/academics/special/institute/9132002/gl... - 44k - Cached - Similar pages


Commentary Magazine - Civil Liberties After 9/11... enactment of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA... ... For obvious reasons, Moussaoui's demands are ... the agents can obtain judicial warrants by showing ...
www.commentarymagazine.com/Summaries/V116I1P31-1.htm - 44k - Cached - Similar pages


CENTER FOR INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM FOUNDATION Americas Courts Post 9 ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... announced the case against Moussaoui in December ... and government showings required under FISA, if they ... the minimum Fourth Amendment warrant standards, certainly ...
www.centerforindividualfreedom.org/legal/americascourts... - Similar pages


AEI - News & Commentary... of the Department of Justice and the FISA court, it ... that the decision was made to try even Moussaoui in a ... there would be no need for a warrant-like requirement ...
www.aei.org/news/filter.,newsID.17934/news_detail.asp - 61k - Cached - Similar pages


Reason Express... It was FISA that FBI lawyers in Washington said ... agents in Minneapolis from looking into Moussaoui's doings in ... weeks leading up to 9/11 -- a warrant had been ...
http://reason.com/re/101502.shtml - 11k - Cached - Similar pages


THE CRIMES OF 9... to gather sufficient evidence to obtain FISA warrants to track. ... for a warrant to open the computer files of a fifth suspect, Zacarias Moussaoui,. ...
http://levey.info.bcentralhost.com/crimes_of_10.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


CIVIL LIBERTIES IN LIGHT OF 9/11: WHAT PRICE SECURITY?File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... 13 Zacarias Moussaoui, yet he is being tried in public with the ... suggested that the executive branch could obtain a FISA Court warrant, secretly search ...
http://mpsa.indiana.edu/conf2003papers/1032121622.pdf - Similar pages


photovoltaics.com... with a warrant application to open up Moussaoui's computer where ... in fact had been using the FISA court for ... on the conditions to get a warrant issued because of ...
www.photovoltaics.com / - 19k - Cached - Similar pages


Cabbagehead..august 29... terror-related criminal prosecutions, against Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged ... to court and obtain a warrant but to ... a modern Star Chamber, the FISA court meets ...
www.cabbagehead.org/d_consolidateds/2002/8/29.html - 38k - Cached - Similar pages


BlogRunner: 9/11 Commission Examines FBI, CIA... FBI Director Pickard.) The extremist in question was Zacarias Moussaoui, who had ... by-now desperate efforts to obtain a FISA search warrant, long after ...
http://blogrunner.com/snapshot/S/0/8/00261680.html - 55k - Cached - Similar pages


.. the prior 23-year history of the FISA statute ... HUMAN RIGHTS xiii in the Zacarias Moussaoui prosecution may ... committing violations of the laws of war and other ...
www.humanrightsfirst.org/pubs/descriptions/Assessing/Ex... - Similar pages


TAINT TEAMS AND FIREWALLS: THIN ARMOR FOR ATTORNEY-CLIENT ...File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML
... FISA wiretaps are used primarily against non- 15 ... The Fourth Amendment dictates that a warrant is necessary before the government can impinge upon a protected ...
www.worth1000.com/cplpej/new/CAP106.pdf - Similar pages


9-11 Timeline Summary... the Minnesota FBI's request for a search warrant to search Moussaoui's possessions. ... t enough to allow an application for a search warrant through FISA. ...
www.wanttoknow.info/9-11timeline25pg - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


National Security versus Civil Liberties, page 1... in federal civilian courts, as is Moussaoui, a French ... was challenged by the secret FISA court itself. ... had denied only one government warrant application and ...
www.questia.com/PM.qst?a=o&d=5002026791 - Similar pages


The White House denied the President ... meeting that would have enabled an application for a FISA warrant to investigate Moussaoui. ...
www.thefourreasons.org/News/crime911.htm - 101k - Cached - Similar pages


Romerstein says FISA provides that only leaders of the ... FBI received French intelligence that Moussaoui had spent ... Department superiors for a warrant to allow it ...
www.nashvillecitypaper.com/index.cfm?section=9&screen=n... - 45k - Apr 16, 2004 - Cached - Similar pages


police activities and spying activities under FISA. ... the administration chooses to try Moussaoui before such ... searches and wiretaps > without warrants; and allow ...
http://listserv.brown.edu / archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0304d&L=gscomm-l&F=&S=&P=1994 - 31k - Cached - Similar pages


Bush Watch... furious that their inability to search Moussaoui's computer prevented ... and refused to issue a FISA warrant against exactly ... I said only if we were at war or had ...
www.bushnews.com/archive2002/Apr/04.13.02.htm - 69k - Cached - Similar pages


We were even considering deporting Moussaoui (the only alleged 9 ... Also, the FISA Court's actions (the first time that ANY of thousands of warrant requests was ...
www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/02/special/nat... - Similar pages


Sympathy For The Devil... She requests a FISA warrant for surveillance on Moussaoui. ... before giving the report to the FISA court ... August 2001 tampered with Rowley's warrant request report ...
www.lossless-audio.com/usa/895370112.htm - 53k - Cached - Similar pages


ORIGINAL THREAD w/working links...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...





Thanks for giving a damn, RazzleDazzle. Very much appreciated.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:04 PM
Response to Reply #53
59. Wow.
Sure glad you provided at least one working link to all that. Amazing.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #5
52. 'Concrete Proof'
Illegal War.



Here's evidence:



Know your BFEE Log



Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Poppys CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Hitlers Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: James R Bath Bush bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



These arent labeled Know Your BFEE, but theyre meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach areas:

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...



Seemslikeadream commissioned this portrait of someone at work on the BFEE:



Thanks, seemslikeadream! It really is my favorite likeness.

Each of the above posts uses evidence, from reputable sources, for the most part.

IMO, they demonstrate the guilt of members of the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise.

If so much of the record wasn't destroyed, classified or altered, I'm certain the press corpse would sit up and take notice.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #52
54. J Edgar Hoover's files show George HW Bush involved in JFK assassination.


SOURCE: http://www.internetpirate.com/bush.htm

Can't be any clearer than that.

What Bush's role is, perhaps only God, Bush and the Top Secret files know -- that is the surviving files.

Surviving witnesses? Doubt there are any of those.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:11 PM
Response to Reply #54
60. Surviving witnesses
Few, if any. Remember at the end of Executive Action (the precursor to Oliver Stone's movie), there's a notation at the end about how many of the people who were witnesses were dead -- most of unusual circumstances -- and the statistical probability of that, which was astronomical. I ought to view that again, tho I vastly prefer Stone's movie primarily because it's more modern and a little less stuffy. So maybe I'll watch Stone and just fast forward to the end of the other.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:17 AM
Response to Reply #54
70. Don't forget this




Go to http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com It's a great site and they have citations.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #5
68. If you look around yourself you can see there's proof
Saying it is one thing but having the proof is another.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:27 PM
Response to Original message
6. Absolutely Octafish. Our leaders are only as strong as their support.
We have to protect, support and defend our leaders so they can do their job and know they are protected.

Just as we need to respond in kind to each other.

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #6
55. The Bundle of Sticks
From Aesop:



The Bundle of Sticks

AN OLD man on the point of death summoned his sons around him to give them some parting advice. He ordered his servants to bring in a Bundle of sticks, and said to his eldest son: Break it. The son strained and strained, but with all his efforts was unable to break the Bundle. The other sons also tried, but none of them was successful. Untie the Bundle, said the father, and each of you take a stick. When they had done so, he called out to them: Now, break, and each stick was easily broken. You see my meaning, said their father.

"UNION GIVES STRENGTH."



From Benjamin Franklin, a Liberal:



Thank you for giving a damn, shance. Thanks also for being there.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:34 PM
Response to Original message
7. K&R... Jesus....n/t
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
56. CIA flights likened to the work of gangsters
Heaven help us...



CIA flights likened to the work of gangsters

By Stephen Castle in Strasbourg
Published: 25 January 2006

The United States was accused of "gangster tactics" yesterday, and European governments were accused of turning a blind eye to the "outsourcing of torture", as a human rights watchdog concluded that the CIA conducted illegal anti-terror activities in Europe.

Dick Marty, a Swiss parliamentarian conducting a formal inquiry, said evidence pointed to a system of "relocation" of torture of terror suspects, and that reliable indications suggested secret interrogation centres may have existed in Europe.

The document highlighted cases under legal investigation in Europe involving an Egyptian cleric, Osama Moustafa Hassan Nasr, also known as Abu Omar, who disappeared from Milan in 2003, and a Lebanese-born German, Khaled el-Masri, who was abducted in Macedonia last year and flown to Afghanistan where he was held for four months.

Mr Marty said he was "scandalised that a few kilometres from where I live people can be lifted by foreign governments. When someone goes on holiday in Macedonia they are lifted by foreign agents."

He added: "If a government has to resort to gangster tactics - I say 'no'."

CONTINUED...

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article340818.ece



We live in gangster times, converted_democrat. Thanks for giving a damn.
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:08 AM
Response to Reply #56
57. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. I feel completely helpless, and
profoundly lost. I make the calls, I write the letters, and I send out the faxes, but I just don't know how much more I can do. KBR just got a contract to build US detention centers, and that really freaks me out. I love and care for America, I'm just afraid "America" doesn't exist anymore..
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:19 AM
Response to Reply #56
71. I remember the Queen of England being involved too
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 01:38 PM
Response to Original message
8. Journalism

From: http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Jo...

Gary Webb "shot himself in the head" sometime in the morning of Friday, Dec. 10, 2004, according to police in Sacramento, California. <1>What Webb did to hurt the BFEE's feelings is he tied the CIA's Iran-Contra gang to the crack cocaine epidemic in America's major metropolitan areas. To the Bush gang, telling the truth made Webb an enemy. <2>

Daniel Danny Casolaro Researched BCCI and the Inslaw/PROMIS Affair, found that George H. W. Bush had ties going around the world and back through Iran- Contra, Iraq-gate, the October Surprise, Watergate, Vietnam, the Bay of Pigs and Dallas. A suicide. <3>

Abbie Hoffman Yippie of the 60s turned into an investigative reporter in the 80s, researched and wrote about October Surprise allegations involving George H.W. Bush, Bill Casey and Robert Gates doing a deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to delay the release of the hostages in 1980. The pretty good overview appeared in Playboy in 1988. A suicide. <4>

Steve Kangas Researcher and writer who started Liberal Resurgent web site dedicated to naming names like Richard Mellon Scaife and telling the truth about what was happening to America. Wrote the seminal The Origins of the Overclass which detailed the role of the CIA in preserving the privileged positions of the nations wealthiest individuals and corporations. A suicide. <5>

Mark Lombardi Artist and researcher who developed Global Networks or Social Network Diagrams which illustrated and chronicled the relationships between many of our days shadiest characters, institutions and treasons. One of his works graphically charted Osama bin Laden, Sheik Salim bin Laden, James R. Bath, Texas Gov George W. Bush and Harken Energy. A suicide. <6>

Sources:
(1) http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/1...
(2) http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/garyWebbS...
(3) http://www.cjr.org/archives.asp?url=/91/6/octopus.asp
(4) http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_cr/h920205-october...
(5) http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-overclass.html
(6) http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2...


Sadly bushbodycount is no longer online :(
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #8
26. where there's a will ...
copy them now ... the wayback machine hasn't yet been totally purged ...

Got lucky opening a 2003 dated site ... pardon the dupes:

http://web.archive.org/web/20030210060332/www.bk2k.com/...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K30C1268C


William S. Farish
He was one of Prescott Bush's partners in business deals with Adolph Hitler. He was devastated by the intense grilling he received from the Senate about his dealings with Nazis, and while Prescott Bush skated free, Farish collapsed and died on November 29, 1942.

James Forrestal
He was Undersecretary and Secretary of the Navy during WWII, and became the first Secretary of Defense in 1947. On March 28, 1949, he was forced out of office and flown on a military plane to Jupiter Island in Florida. From there he was taken to Walter Reed Army Hospital, where he was given insulin shock treatments. He was shielded from all visitors except his estranged wife. On May 22, 1949, he was found hanging by his bathrobe cord out a sixteenth-story hospital window. His death was ruled a suicide, but results of the Army inquest were not made public.

Sources:

Clamor Magazine
Triple Crown Dream
http://web.archive.org/web/20021017223155/www.geocities... /

Jack Delaney and Ted White
These young men were killed when pilot George H. W. Bush abandoned his plane when it was hit by enemy fire. Much has been made of this story - Bush propaganda would have us believe that he was a hero. An eyewitness to the event tells us otherwise: Chester Mierzejewski, who was the turret gunner in another plane, had an unobstructed view. He states that he saw a "puff of smoke" come from Bush's plane and quickly dissipate. He states that the plane was never on fire and that Bush never attempted a water landing, which was standard procedure, and which would have given Mr. Delaney and Mr. White a chance.

Gary Caradori
He was investigating Lawrence E. King, Jr., a very influential black Republican who was also a friend of George H.W. Bush. King was director of the Franklin Community Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska, and was suspected of embezzling $40 million. The Nebraska Senate questioned child prostitutes, who accused King of running a child prostitution ring. One of these children said that she saw George H.W. Bush at one of King's parties. "Pronto", a newspaper in Barcelona, Spain, reported that the scandal "appears to directly implicate politicos of the state of Nebraska and Washington DC who are very close to the White House and George Bush himself". Gary Caradori claimed that he had evidence that supported these allegations. On July 11, 1990, Gary Caradori was killed along with his 6-year old son in the crash of his small plane, after a mid-air explosion, the cause of which was never discovered. He had told friends repeatedly in the weeks before his death that he was afraid his plane would be sabotaged.

Orlando Letelier
He was torn to bits by a car bomb on the streets of Washington DC just before he was to testify against the Chilean dictator Pinochet. After the bombing, CIA Director George H. W. Bush told the FBI that there had been no Chilean involvement whatsoever. In 1991 the post-Pinochet Chilean Supreme Court asked George H. W. Bush if he would submit to questioning. BUSH REFUSED.

Ronni Moffit
She was Letelier's assistant. She and her husband were riding in the car with Letelier when the bomb exploded. Mr. Moffit survived. Ronni didn't.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy
An internal FBI memo reported that on November 22 a reputed businessman named George H. W. Bush reported hearsay that a certain Young Republican had been talking of killing the President when he came to Houston. The Young Republican was nowhere near Dallas on that date. According to a 1988 story in The Nation, J. Edgar Hoover said in a memo that Mr. George Bush of the CIA had been briefed on November 23rd, 1963 about the reaction of anti-Castro Cuban exiles in Miami to the assassination of President Kennedy. George H. W. Bush has denied this, although he was in Texas and cannot account for his whereabouts at the time.

Hale Boggs
He sat on the Warren Commission, which concluded that President Kennedy was slain by a lone assassin. Later, in 1971 and '72, Boggs said that the Warren Report was false and that J. Edgar Hoover's FBI not only helped cover up the JFK murder but blackmailed Congress with massive wire-tapping and spying. He named Warren Commission staff member Arlen Specter as a major cover-up artist. Congressman Boggs' plane disappeared on a flight to Alaska in 1972. The press, the military, and the CIA publicly proclaimed the plane could not be located. Investigators later said that was a lie, that the plane had been found. On the plane were Nick Begich, a very popular Democratic Congressman, and Don Jonz, an aide to Mr. Boggs. All were killed.

George de Mohrenschildt
A rich Russian oilman, he was described with his wife as being the two people friendliest to Oswald at the time of the assassination. De Mohrenschildt was the man who moved Oswald to Dallas. In the late 1970's, shortly before the first meeting of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, de Mohrenschildt started seeing a new doctor in town. He quickly became mentally unstable, at which time his wife convinced him to stop seeing the doctor. They moved away and left a false forwarding address. On the same day that the Committee tried to contact him about testifying, he was found dead of a gunshot wound. In his personal address book was the entry Bush, George H.W. (Poppy) and Zapata Petroleum Midland (the oil company owned by George H.W. Bush).

Mrs. E. Howard Hunt
In December 1972, while George H. W. Bush was at the Republican National Convention, a United Airlines flight carrying Mrs. Dorothy Hunt, CIA operative and wife of Howard Hunt, (CIA operative and suspect in the Kennedy assassination) crashed. Believed to be carrying $25,000 in "hush money", she died in this crash.


Lou Russell
Lou Russell worked as a private detective for an agency that was helping George H.W. Bush, then chairman of the RNC, prepare for a press conference. It is a rumor that Lou Russell was the fabled "sixth burglar" of Watergate, the one who got away. On May 16, 1973, "Deep Throat" warned Bob Woodward that "Everyone's life is in danger." and that "electronic surveillance is going on and we had better watch it.". On May 18, Lou Russell suffered a massive heart attack that put him in Adventist Hospital, where he recovered somewhat and stayed until June 20. Russell told his daughter that he believed he had been poisoned. On July 2, two weeks after his release from the hospital, he had another "heart attack" and died.

John Leon
He was a friend and associate of Lou Russell. He was collecting statements about Watergate, and was to be the focus of a press conference. Leon suffered a "heart attack" and died, on the day before the conference was to be held.

Paul Wilcher
His partially decomposed body was found in his home, still seated on the toilet. According to the Washington Times, "...he was investigating the theory of an 'October Surprise' conspiracy during the 1980 federal election campaign. He had been interviewing an inmate who claimed to have piloted George Bush to Paris so he could secretly seek to delay the release of 52 American hostages in Iran."

Amiram Nir
He was a former Israeli agent who was in Jerusalem with George Bush during Iran Contra. He went under the assumed name of Pat Weber. Nir was scheduled to testify to the Senate subcommittee and it was feared he would reveal the truth. He perished when his aircraft was shot down with missiles from the helicopter of a man called Gene Tatum, 25-year CIA deep cover agent.

Senator John Tower
He was appointed by the Reagan/Bush Administration to chair the bipartisan committee to investigate the Iran/Contra scandals. He directed the Tower Report and had all the Iran Contra documents that told the real story. He was killed in an airplane crash later in Georgia in 1991. Also killed was his daughter, Marian.

Mohammed Zia al-huk
Dictator of Pakistan, and knew all about Iran/Contra, the training, funding, and arming of narco-terrorists like Osama bin Laden. In August 1988, the same day George Bush got the Republican nomination, his plane crashed into the ground with all engines running. The Pakistanis kept the bodies around (in violation of Islamic custom) for weeks, awaiting US experts. They showed up three weeks later and never checked the bodies. Why?

Barry Seal
He was supposedly murdered by Medellin cartel members, but a 6-month investigation by Sam Dalton, attorney for three of the accused murderers, into Mr. Seal's life and death uncovered some interesting points. The accused's cartel connections were well known, but not their association with Oliver North's enterprise. Mr. Seal was a drug smuggler, up to his armpits in smuggling cocaine for - guess who? - the CIA. During the penalty phase of the Columbians' trial, testimony by one government witness on the activities of Mr. Seal was so damaging to the government that 2 of the jurors wanted to change their verdict to "not guilty". The personal telephone number of George H. W. Bush was found in the trunk of Mr. Seal's car.

William Colby
This former CIA director disappeared in an apparent boating accident, and a body was later discovered (minus the life jacket Colby's friends insisted he always wore while boating) and buried promptly. John DeCamp, a lawyer from Lincoln, Nebraska, and Colby's close friend and confidant, said Colby's death was not an accident. He stated that Colby was prepared to disclose that missing P.O.W.'s were working for a dope smuggling operation orchestrated by General Colin Powell, Pentagon official Richard Armitage, and George H. W. Bush.

Mario Ruiz Massieu
An apparent suicide, Massieu was facing charges that he laundered money for the cocaine cartels. A Houston, Texas jury had found that $8 million in his bank accounts was paid to him by cocaine cartels.

Olof Palme
He was the prime minister of Sweden, assassinated in 1986. Oliver North, the golden boy of the Bush/Reagan machine, had met with Mr. Palme to discuss the possibility of obtaining false end-user certificates for the plethora of weapons that were being purchased, so that they would seem to have come from a country other than the U.S. Mr. Palme refused to participate, after the plan was presented to him. He was dead within weeks.

William Casey
William Casey was CIA Director during the Reagan/Bush Administration. He died 2 days before he was to testify about his and others' involvement in the Iran/Contra scandal.

Edmond J. Safra
Banker Edmond J. Safra died mysteriously when a fire swept his Monaco penthouse apartment. His banks had been used for laundering money by the Bush Iran/Contra traitors.

Charles M. McKee and Matthew Gannon
Charles M. McKee, ostensibly a military attache for the DIA in Beirut, Matthew Gannon, CIA Deputy Station Chief in Beirut, and three others were on board Pan Am Flight 103, which exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland. They were part of a counterterrorist team in Beirut investigating the possible rescue of 9 American hostages in Lebanon. The McKee team uncovered evidence that a rogue CIA unit called COREA, based in Wiesbaden, was doing business with a man called Monzer Al-Kassar, a Syrian arms dealer and drug trafficker. Al-Kassar was part of the covert network run by U.S. Lieut. Colonel Oliver North. Outraged that the COREA unit in Wiesbaden was doing business with a Syrian who had close terrorist connections and might endanger their chances of rescuing the hostages, the McKee team decided to fly back to Virginia unannounced and expose the COREA unit's secret deal with al-Kassar. They never got there. "For three years, I've had a feeling that if Chuck hadn't been on that plane, it wouldn't have been bombed," said Beulah McKee, 75, Charles McKee's mother, to Time Magazine. Four months after her son was killed for his efforts to expose the CIA, Mrs. McKee received a sympathy letter from George H. W. Bush. Mrs. McKee has never been satisfied with the government's version of events.

Don Aronow
He was a close friend of George H. W. Bush. According to the book "George Bush, the Unauthorized Biography," there is compelling evidence to conclude that Aronow was a drug smuggler and suspected drug-money launderer. He was murdered by professional killers on February 3, 1987. In the days before his death, he made many personal calls to George H. W. Bush.

Tommy Teagle, a man interviewed by author Thomas Burdick, was afraid of being murdered by Bush because he had knowledge that Aronow and Jeb Bush had been partners in cocaine trafficking.

Frank Nugan and Michael Hand
They were partners in the Nugan Hand Bank, a front for CIA drug money, in Sydney, Australia. Michael Hand was a Green Beret and an Army Colonel assigned to the CIA. Hand was in frequent contact with George Bush after his election to Vice President, according to CIA operative Trent Parker. Frank Nugan was found in his car on a remote road outside Sydney, an apparent suicide. There were no fingerprints on the gun. Michael Hand disappeared shortly afterwards, and has not been seen since.

John Shaheen
John Shaheen was a Republican businessman and best friend of William J. Casey, head of the Reagan/Bush campaign, who helped set up arms negotiations with the Iranians. We can find no information on Mr. Shaheen's death.

Cyrus Hashemi
He was an Iranian banker who worked with John Shaheen, a Republican businessman and best friend of William J. Casey, head of the Reagan/Bush campaign. According to Hashemi's brother, Jamshid Hashemi, he arranged a meeting between William Casey and a radical Iranian mullah in July of 1980 that eventually derailed Carter's hostage negotiations and delayed the release of the 52 American hostages until January of 1981.

Hashemi died suddenly in July of 1986 of what was later diagnosed as leukemia. His brother and his lawyer, William Wachtel, remain convinced that Cyrus was murdered. Richard Babayan, an Iranian in prison for securities fraud, claims that Hashemi's death was ordered by high-ranking officials.

Senator Henry John Heinz III
He chaired the three-man presidential review board that probed the Iran-contra affair. He died in a plane crash in April 1991.

Amaro da Costa
Then Defense Minister of Portugal, he died in a plane crash in Lisbon in 1980. He was planning to disclose that he had discovered documents that showed Portugese officers were helping to traffic arms to Iran.

Sa Carneiro
Former Prime Minister of Brazil and a very popular leader, he died in the same plane crash that killed Amaro da Costa.

Karla Faye Tucker
She was executed in spite of enormous protest from the public, even those religious groups that advocate the death penalty. Even Pat Robertson thought that Karla was truly repentant and asked George W. Bush to spare her life. He refused. Afterward, in a Talk Magazine interview, Bush mocked the woman whose death warrant he had sanctioned, pursing his lips and whimpering, "Please don't kill me!"

David Wayne Spence
David Wayne Spence was executed in Texas in 1997 in spite of compelling evidence of his innocence. Two of the State's witnesses were co-defendants who testified to avoid the death penalty, one of whom changed his story three times in response to discrepancies. He later testified that police officer Truman Simons encouraged him to alter his testimony. Two other witnesses for the State were jailhouse snitches who recanted later and stated that they were offered favors in exchange for testimony. All of this and more was supposedly reviewed by Governor George W. Bush, but Bush refused to commute his sentence, and did not order the Board of Pardons and Paroles to review his request for clemency. It is a myth that a Texas Governor can do nothing to stop executions; the Board will almost always go with his recommendation. Bush washed his hands of the matter and did nothing. Reasonable doubt is not a factor in Texas justice.

Gary Graham
Gary Graham was convicted of the robbery and murder of a white man in 1981. Nearly two weeks after the crime, the state's prime witness could not pick Gary's picture out of a photo line-up. Mr. Graham was arrested with a 22 caliber pistol. The victim had been killed with a 22, but the police firearms examiner determined that Mr. Graham's gun DID NOT fire the fatal bullet. Four witnesses said Gary Graham was with them, miles away from the convenience store, when the murder occured. All four took and passed polygraph tests. George W. Bush, predictably, expressed his faith in the Texas judicial system and allowed Mr. Graham to be put to death. Mr. Graham maintained his innocence to the end.


Lt. Colonel William Harris, Jr.
Lt. Col. William Harris was one of two commanding officers who could not perform George W. Bush's annual evaluation covering the year from May 1, 1972 to April 30, 1973. They stated in their filing that "Lt. Bush has not been observed at this unit during the period of this report." Fortunately for George W. Bush, Lt. Col. Harris is not here to verify his 1973 statement. He's dead.

Lt. Colonel Jerry B. Killian
Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian was another of George W. Bush's commanding officers. He cannot testify in a court of law as to George W. Bush's dereliction of his sworn duty. Lt. Col. Killian is dead.

Note: we were unable to find details on the deaths of Lt. CoLs. Killian and Harris, only that they were dead. The names are included because they were relatively young men, whose deaths were convenient to Bush.

James Downing Aalund
Mr. Aalund's name is the first on a long list of young Texans who died in Vietnam. These young men did not have influential fathers to pull the strings necessary to get them into the Texas Air National Guard. If they had been so lucky, they would surely have fulfilled their responsibilities to the ANG, if only out of gratitude that they did not have to die, thousands of miles away in a strange land. They surely would not have disappeared from duty for over a year, as did our fearless leader George W. Bush.

Governor Mel Carnahan
In the midst of a heated race for the Senate against John Ashcroft, the Governor died in a plane crash on October 16, 2000. His death affected Democrats in two ways - it would hurt their chances of seizing control of the US Senate, and it would strongly impact the Presidential race between Al Gore and George W. Bush. Said St. Louis University political scientist Ken Warren, "There will be a sympathy vote, but that won't be enough to allow him to win. "I don't think the race will be very close. It's over." As we know now, Ashcroft lost to a dead man. Carnahan was elected by a landslide.

Lori Klausutis
Lori Klausutis, age 28, was found dead behind a desk in the offices of US Representative Joe Scarborough of Florida, a Republican, on July 20, 2001. Death was apparently due to a blow on the head. Claims that a heart condition precipitated an accidental fall are tenuous at best; Lori was a marathon runner, and one would think that a heart condition would already have become apparent. At the time of her death, she was treasurer of her chapter of the Florida Federation of Young Republicans. Readers will note that there is no mention of young Lori's passing, although there is that ever-present link to the Chandra/Gary dungheap that commands the attention of our media.

It is an interesting coincidence that Tim Klausitus, Lori's husband, worked on targeting technology for missiles, in light of the fact that Lori's body was discovered within a week of George W. Bush's much-ballyhooed missile defense test. Another interesting tidbit: Rep. Scarborough sits on both the Military Construction and the Research and Development Subcommittees. Scarborough has resigned and is leaving office in November, giving his family as the reason.

Dan Rocco
He died on April 1, 2002, in a plane crash in Gainesville, Georgia. He was an executive vice president at ChoicePoint, the firm that gained infamy with their faulty "felons" list supplied to Katherine Harris during the 2000 election in Florida. As a result of this list, thousands of voters (mostly African-American voters) were wrongly identified as felons and purged from the rolls.


Bob Stevens
Mr. Stevens died of a mysterious case of anthrax. He worked as a photo editor for American Media, who owns the National Enquirer. The Bush family suffered enormous embarrassment at the hands of the Enquirer when they published a photo of daughter Jenna Bush, obviously intoxicated, cigarette in hand, cavorting on the floor with another drunken female.

Don C. Wiley
Dr. Wiley disappeared November 15, 2001 in Memphis, Tennessee. He was attending a two-day annual meeting of the scientific advisory board of St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. His work on deadly diseases such as ebola and HIV raised fears of a terrorist kidnapping. Four hours later, his rental car was found on a bridge, raising the question of suicide, which his family vehemently refuted. Dr. Wiley was found a month later in the Mississipi River.

Salem bin Laden
In 1979 Bush business Arbusto Energy obtained financing from James Bath, a close family friend. Bath had extensive ties to BCCI and the bin Laden family. Bath was the sole U.S. business representative for Salem bin Laden, the brother of Osama bin Laden. It is well known in certain circles that the Arbusto money came straight from Salem bin Laden, although Bush denies it. Salem bin Laden died when for no apparent reason, he flew his airplane into power lines where it became entangled, and fell 150 feet to the ground. "He was a very experienced pilot. He was a good pilot. We just can't understand why he decided to go right instead of left," recalled airstrip owner Earl May field.

John O'Neill
He was Director of Counterterrorism at the New York offices of the F.B.I. until he resigned in August 2001. One of the world's top experts on Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, he grew to believe that "all the answers" regarding what they needed to destroy Al Qaeda lay in Saudi Arabia. However, starting in January 2001, Bush blocked all efforts by Mr. O'Neill to investigate Saudi ties to bin Laden. In the summer of 2001 O'Neill declared that the main obstacles to his investigation were U.S. oil interests.

In late August, a frustrated O'Neill quit the FBI and took a position as head of security for the World Trade Center. From Democrats.com:

September 11: On O'Neill's second day of work on the 34th floor, the WTC is hit by the first plane. O'Neill makes it out of the building safely, calls his son to say he is OK,. then goes into the other tower to help guide those still inside to safety. Minutes later, O'Neill, along with hundreds of others, is dead, killed by the terrorist the Bush administration refused to allow him to pursue to the best of his ability.

Thomas Morris Jr.
Mr. Morris was a postal worker who died October 21, 2001, of inhalation anthrax. When people expressed concern to the current occupant of the White House about the anthrax cases in New York and Washington, his response was to tell us not to worry, that he does not have anthrax.

Joseph Curseen
Mr. Curseen died October 22, 2001, of inhalation anthrax. It has been reported that the anthrax infections since September 11 are of the same strain that was kept in a military facility.

Kathy T. Nguyen
Ms. Nguyen died on October 31, 2001, of inhalation anthrax. But we shouldn't worry - George W. Bush remains anthrax-free.

Katherine Smith
She had been implicated in February in a phony documents scheme said to be related to the September 11 hijackers. One day before she was due in court, she was incinerated in her car after having hit a utility pole. An investigation revealed that the crash was minor and was not the cause of the fire that burned Smith beyond recognition. Who was really behind 9/11? Was Katherine Smith privy to that information? Why did she have to die, and who killed her?


J. Clifford Baxter
Found dead in his car, shot in the head. Mr. Baxter was vice chairman of Enron Corp. when he resigned in May 2001. Enron has been hot copy lately with the revelation that they were the largest campaign contributors for George W. Bush. Was J. Clifford Baxter a potential witness to Bush foreknowledge of their wrongdoings? His death was ruled a suicide.

Charles Dana Rice
He was the senior vice president and treasurer of El Paso Corp., an energy corporation swept up in the recent energy scandal. Two months after the "suicide" of Enron executive Clifford Baxter, in the midst of questions about the accounting practices of El Paso Corp., Charles Rice was found dead of a gunshot wound to the head. His death was ruled a suicide.

James Daniel Watkins
His body was found on December 1, 2001 in the Pike National Forest in Colorado, a gunshot wound to the head. Mr. Watkins was a consultant for Arthur Andersen, the accounting firm for Enron. He disappeared on November 13 after he left work. He was described as a devoted family man who always called home if he were going to be late. Officials initially said that the death was suspicious, but have changed their tune and have ruled his death a suicide.

Jake Horton
He was the senior ice-president of Gulf Power, a subsidiary of Southern Company, a cohort of Enron in the energy industry, and a major contributer to the Bush agenda. According to reporter Gregory Palast, Horton knew of the company's appalling accounting practices, and "... had no doubt about its illegal campaign contributions to Florida politicans - he'd made the payments himself. In April of 1989 Horton decided to come clean with state officials, and reserved the company jet to go confront company officials. Ten minutes after takeoff the jet exploded.


Steve Kangas
His web site, Liberalism Resurgent, was meticulously researched and presented such a problem to the "real boss" of George Bush, Richard Scaife, that he hired a private detective to look into Kangas' past. Steve Kangas was found in a 39th-floor bathroom outside of Scaife's offices at One Oxford Centre, in Pittsburgh, an apparent suicide. Mr. Kangas, a very prolific writer, left no note. He had brought a fully-packed suitcase of clothes with him to Pittsburgh. He bought a burglar alarm shortly before he left for Pittsburgh. Why did he need a burglar alarm if he was going to commit suicide? An avowed advocate of gun control, he nevertheless bought a gun. What was he afraid of? Why did he go to Pittsburgh? After his death, his computer was sold for $150 and its hard drive wiped clean. Everything in his apartment was thrown away.

Danny Casolaro
He was working on a book that tied together the scandals surrounding the presidency of George H. W. Bush. He told his friends he was going to "bring back" the head of the Octopus. Instead, his body was found in a hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia, on August 10, 1991, an apparent suicide.

Mark Lombardi
He was an accomplished conceptual artist who, while chatting on the phone with a banker friend about the Bush savings and loan scandal, started doodling a diagram and was inspired to create a complex series of drawings and sketches that charted the details of the scandal. According to the New York Times, "He was soon charting the complex matrices of personal and professional relationships, conflict of interest, malfeasance and fraud uncovered by investigations into the major financial and political scandals of the day; to keep facts and sources straight, he created a handwritten database that now includes around 12,000 3-by-5-inch cards."

On the evening of March 22, 2000, Mark Lombardi was found hanging in his loft, an apparent suicide.

James Hatfield
Mr. Hatfield was the author of Fortunate Son, an unauthorized biography of George W. Bush. The book detailed Bush's cocaine use and cover up of a cocaine arrest. He was found Wednesday, July 18, in a motel room, an apparent suicide.


wayback link to a 2001 site
http://web.archive.org/web/20010202131600/http://www.bu... /
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W3BB2368C

http://web.archive.org/web /*/http://www.bushbodycount.com
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N64C5268C
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:22 PM
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28. You are truly a lighthouse + Gary Webb
Thanks for finding a copy :D They can never hide the truth :)

By special request from a post below. Gary in his own words.




Investigative journalist Gary Webb speaks to a packed house on the CIA's connection to drug trafficking, and the failure of the media to expose the truth.

by Charles Overbeck
Matrix Editor
easterisle@aol.com

When the Nicaraguan contras began to covertly fund their war against the Sandanistas by selling drugs and guns to California street gangs, the Central Intelligence Agency turned a blind eye. While black neighborhoods were being ravaged by the crack cocaine plague, CIA operatives actively participated in this devastating drug explosion, protected from prosecution by a secret agreement between the Department of Justice and the CIA. The bastards knew it was happening, and they did nothing to stop it. Once again, human rights and human life took a back seat to "national security" considerations.

Nevertheless, thanks to investigative journalists like Bob Parry and Gary Webb, the story got out. When Webb's "Dark Alliance" series was released on the Internet by the San Jose Mercury News, the scandal ripped across USENET and the Web like a wildfire. Yet three years later, we're still fighting to get all the answers from a government that would prefer to flush the whole matter as quickly as possible.

On January 16, 1999, Webb spoke to a packed house at the First United Methodist Church in Eugene, Oregon. Approximately 300 people listened with rapt attention as Webb recounted his investigation of the CIA's connections to contra drug trafficking. Webb's presentation was followed by an intense question-and-answer session, during which he candidly answered questions about the "Dark Alliance" controversy, his departure from the San Jose Mercury News, and CIA/contra/crack secrets that still await revelation.

It was a fascinating exchange packed with detailed information on this developing case. Webb spoke eloquently, with the ease and confidence of an investigator who has spent many long hours researching his subject, and many more hours working to share this information with the public. ParaScope operatives were fortunate to be in attendance, and we've prepared the following roundup for those who haven't had an opportunity yet to hear Webb speak.

Transcript: http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/garyWebbS...

11 KHz WAV file : http://www.parascope.com/mx/articles/garywebb/notAConsp...

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:26 PM
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61. How I wish Mr. Mark Lombardi were here with us today.
And all the other good men and women, victims of the BFEE.





Of Friendsters and Foes

The conspiracy art of Mark Lombardi: Crime-fighting toolor 'just here to help'?


by Lawrence Rinder
December 8th, 2003 4:00 PM alert me by e-mail

Much is being made lately of the FBI's phone call to the Whitney Museum in the immediate aftermath of the 9-11 attacks requesting access to Mark Lombardi's drawing BCCI, ICIC & FAB (1996-2000). This piece, the last work the artist made before he was found dead in his studio in March 2000, an apparent suicide at age 49, represents the tangled web of power and influence that comprised the largest banking scandal in historyin which an impenetrable network of holding companies, affiliates, subsidiaries, and banks-within-banks laundered billions of dollars while supporting terrorism, arms and drug trafficking, and prostitution. The names of Saddam Hussein and George H.W. Bush, among many other high- and low-profile world figures, are connected by a network of delicate, yet potently insinuating, pencil lines. The FBI agent who called was informed that the work was on view in the museum's galleries, where he was welcome to see it during it during regular museum hours. A visit to the current Mark Lombardi exhibition at the Drawing Center (35 Wooster Street, through December 18) by an affiliate of the Homeland Security Agency has also raised eyebrows in the art world.

The typical response to these incidents has been one of startled indignation: We don't want Big Brother snooping around our museums, galleries, and studios. Yet wafting about these protestations is a hint of relief and even pride. Attention from the feds accomplishes, for some, what so many of us have had trouble doing. It proves that art really matters . . . even to national security! Surrounded by constant reminders of our vulnerability, some may feel, albeit unconsciously, the need for art to do its part and so imagine that Lombardi has arrived just in time to secure the place of the fine arts in the emerging national paradigm of surveillance, paranoia, and control. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately, the claims being made for Lombardi's relevance to the war on terror are rather overblown. No one knows if the FBI ever made it to the Whitney, and the Homeland Security guy was not on active duty. In fact, Lombardi's drawings don't reveal that much. According to his own iconographic code, a line with an arrow, for example, simply signifies "influence." So, a series of arrows leading across the BCCI, ICIC & FAB drawing from Bush to Saddam does not necessarily mean that the two were in cahoots, as conspiracy theorists might wish to deduce.

What Lombardi's works tell us is not the specifics of the connections between people, but simply that such connections exist. His drawings play across the surface of scandal and intrigue. This is not the sort of thing America's spies really need. Indeed, as far as tools for unraveling the networks of evil are concerned, they may already have the biggest and best at hand. Under the guidance of John Poindexter, of Iran-Contra fame, the Defense Department developed the Total Information Awareness (TIA) program last year, a vast computerized database that, according to the official TIA website, utilizes "topsight"a term coined by tech guru David Gelertnerto enable users "to see the whole thing." (TIA's funding was stopped by Congress in September.) What is the "whole thing?" It's the same territory explored by Lombardi: the network of individuals, organizations, deals, transfers, and transactions that constitute the de facto architecture of global power. Unlike Lombardi's beautiful but superficial diagrams, TIA goes wide and deep, providing big-picture scenarios while simultaneously zeroing in on individual players and their possible motives in the emerging global-terror drama.

Lombardi's drawings lack the specificity and attention to pattern needed to be useful as true investigative tools. On the contrary, it is in their very aimlessness, their sprawling attention to surface incident, that the works' purpose unfolds. In a recent article published by Clear Cut Press (clearcutpress.com), the Office for Soft Architecture, based in Vancouver, explores the Pacific Northwest's invasive alien plant species the Himalayan blackberry (Rubus armeniacus) as a figure by which to understand the attraction of surface as opposed to deep structure. "The limitless modification of the skin is different from modernization," they write. "(S)urface morphologies, as Rubus shows, include decay, blanketing and smothering, dissolution and penetration, and pendulous swagging and draping as well as proliferative growth, all in contexts of environmental disturbance and contingency rather than fantasized balance." They go on to say, apropos of architecture itself, "Superficies, whether woven, pigmented, glazed, plastered, or carved, receive and are formed from contingent gesture. Skins express gorgeous corporeal transience. Ornament is the decoration of mortality." In Mark Lombardi's work we have just such an expression of the smothering abundance of ornamental information.

In cyberspace, the architectural parallel to Lombardi's work is not to be found in the utilitarian, "drill-down" salt mine of the Defense Department's TIA, but in the burgeoning blackberry-bush tangle of Friendster.com. For the one or two of you who still don't know, Friendster is an online network in which members can connect to friends, as well as to friends' friends, friends' friends' friends, and so on. As a result of having 32 friends in my immediate network, I am automatically linked to a larger network of 441,710 individuals. I can search this database by gender, age, locale, and interest. Unlike some more purposeful sites, such as the business network LinkedIn, or any of the many cruising spots online, Friendster is notably open-ended. In addition to identifying oneself as looking for a "friend," or a "serious relationship," one can also present oneself as "just here to help." It is in part this indirectness that suggests a parallel to Lombardi's indeterminate fields of "influence."

CONTINUED...

Lawrence Rinder is the Anne and Joel Ehrenkranz Curator of Contemporary Art at the Whitney Museum of American Art.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0350,essay,49315,1.htm...





Gravity is optional at Dr. B's.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:22 AM
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73. If you haven't try to find
Kay Griggs' interview. She talks about generals and prostitution. It's really interesting. I found it at archive.org I think.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:20 AM
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72. Sadly
RIP Gary Webb. :(
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:16 PM
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10. 
I had never heard of him or his death before so I googled....

Damn....

<snip>

On the morning of June 5th morning, according to an Army Corps official, Westhusing verbally attacked the contractors present. The unnamed official said it was the first time he'd seen Westhusing lose his temper in three months. According to this witness, "He was sick of money-grubbing contractors," and Westhusing said that "he had not come over to Iraq for this."

The meeting broke for lunch. Around 1 p.m., a USIS manager went looking for Colonel Westhusing because he was scheduled for a ride back to the Green Zone. There was reportedly no answer, and the manager says he returned about 15 minutes later. Another USIS employee looked through a window and saw Westhusing lying on the floor in a pool of blood. The manager moved the pistol from the floor to the bed before notifying anyone, because, he says, he was afraid someone would trip over it

http://michaelfountain.blogspot.com/2005/12/stone-build...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:33 PM
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62. How does U.S. Investigations Services (USIS) tie to WELLSTONE?
Thanks for the info, leftchick! Hadn't read the specifics of the scene. Sounds like a pro hit.



January 26, 2006 -- The problems with the 1997 privatization of the Office of Federal Investigations (OFI), which ultimately became U.S. Investigations Services (USIS), now owned by The Carlyle Group, were known to members of Congress, according to a former OFI official. A number of employees of OFI, which was part of the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) before privatization, refused to accept the terms of the Employee Stock Ownership Plan (ESOP). The late Democratic Senator Paul Simon of Illinois was particularly opposed to the privatization of OFI.

After OFI became USIS, the timeliness and quality of the security background checks conducted on Federal employees quickly deteriorated according to former OFI employees. They saw USIS being turned into a cash laundering operation whereby a few officials at the top became instant millionaires. Insiders also report that USIS "branched" into other operations never before conducted by OFI/OPM. These other operations were the focus of Col. Ted Westhusing's investigation when he was "suicided" in Baghdad. It is also noteworthy that USIS assumed control of a converted limestone mine in Boyers, Pennsylvania. The mine, built during the Cold War to safeguard files in the event of a nuclear conflict, contains millions of government files, including those held by the federal Employee Service and Records Center. That means that The Carlyle Group now has access to sensitive personnel files on millions of current and past government employees as well as contractors who have applied for security clearances.



The Carlyle Group has its hands on millions of sensitive files on American citizens stored in limestone mine in Pennsylvania


-- www.WayneMadsenReport.com



These are some evil turds.
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libertypirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:17 PM
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11. I agree and think you forgot the one thing we can prove....
Anthrax... Of all the public information available Anthrax is the most damming to the Bush Administration. Why? Because as soon as it was known to have come from a US military facility it vanished from the news, poof it's no longer relevant.

Summary:
http://bulldogpolitics.blogspot.com/2006/01/anthrax-hel...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:43 PM
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63. Not only did Anthrax vanish from news, it vanished from lab!
AMERITHRAX





The Forgotten Anthrax Attacks of 2001

by Tom Engelhardt
Tom Dispatch

(Note: This is the second of two pieces focused on reevaluating the costs of the Sept. 11 attacks. In the first, "Shark-bit World," I took the New York Times back to the week before Sept. 11, 2001, time-machine style, and found a forgotten world in which the Bush administration, with its poll numbers dropping and congressional Republicans fretting, was drifting, politically challenged, and besieged a moment not unlike our own. I concluded: "Four long years to make it back to September 10th, 2001, in an American world now filled to the brim with horrors, a United States which is no longer a 'country,' but a 'homeland' and a Homeland Security State." Tom)

EXCERPT...

The Costs of an Imperial Presidency

We know now that, within five hours of the moment the Pentagon was hit, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld had already asked his aides "to come up with plans for striking Iraq"; that within days, the president and his top officials were already considering launching the Middle Eastern war of their dreams.

We know that eight days after the attacks, the complex 342-page PATRIOT Act had already been hustled over to Congress by Attorney General John Ashcroft; that it passed through a cowed Senate in the dead of night on Oct. 11, unread by at least some of our representatives, and was signed into law on Oct. 26. The Act was officially a response to 9/11, but as its instant appearance and rushed passage indicate, it was made up of a set of already existing right-wing hobby horses, quickly drafted provisions, and expansions of law enforcement powers taken off an FBI "wish list" (previously rejected by Congress). All these were swept together by people who, like the president's men on Iraq, saw their main chance when those buildings went down. As such, it stands in for much of what happened "in response" to 9/11, including the invasion of Iraq that the administration spent so much time tying untruthfully to that day.

The attacks of 9/11 gave the Bush administration an opening to attempt to sweep away the last obstacles in the path of a presidency dedicated to the idea that no prohibition of any sort should stand in its way (or domestically in the way of the Republican Party). The real costs of that day came from the leeway a frightened public, a feeble Congress, and a cowed media gave a suddenly emboldened administration to set in motion an aggrandizing vision of a militarily-enforced Pax Americana, at home as well as abroad. (Remember, this was the first administration to create a military command Northcom responsible only for North America.) In other words, the most devastating costs of "9/11" we inflicted on ourselves in a way al-Qaeda was incapable of doing.

Normally, any such proposition faces a problem. Unlike in lab experiments, there's never a control group in human life against which to measure the nature of change. Oddly enough, though, that doesn't hold when it comes to 9/11. There turns out to be something against which to measure the Bush response the nearly forgotten case of the anthrax killer (or killers), known in law enforcement circles as "the Amerithrax case."

SNIP...

The saddest story is this: If tomorrow, George Bush, Dick Cheney and their cohorts were somehow tossed out on their ears call it indictment, impeachment, or something else what they, not Osama bin Laden or the anthrax terrorists will have cost us, in life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness will still be incalculable. Among the greatest costs will be the way administration officials used the 9/11 attacks (and buried the anthrax ones) in order to breach so many levees of our world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.antiwar.com/engelhardt/?articleid=8279



These aren't Americans. These gangsters are NAZIs.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:21 PM
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12. google "Dead Microbiologists"
don't forget them.
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schmuls Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:03 PM
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14. what connection is there between Valerie Plame and the
deaths of these microbiologist? I read an article about Plame, and it said that along with the death of several operatives, many microbiologists were killed as well. However, it did not connect the dots. Anyone know anything about her cover and connections to research on bioweapons?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 05:44 PM
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79. 3 Old Guys hit the nail on the head...
...as I'm at the rabbit, it's difficult to viddy my records at HQ.

What they wrote:



Building Things in the Woods

Judith Miller: Dark Actor


3 Old Men
(Why not start a new blog with a few rants?)
August 1, 2005

As a young Psychiatrist just out of training, I had a patient who followed a difficult early life with a difficult marriage. In therapy, she recalled some catastrophic events from her childhood and told her husband, probably hoping for sympathy. Her husband promptly initiated a suit against her parents, and I was subpoenaed to court as a witness. On the way to court, where I was planning to claim patient/doctor confidentiality, my lawyer told me that I would have to testify and turn over my notes. It seemed that by passively going along with her husbands suit, she had waived confidentiality. I knew that she would be hurt by my notes, so I was getting ready to go off to jail. Fate intervened. The judge, quickly realizing that my patient had been coerced into the suit by her husband, threw the case out, and I got to sleep in my own bed that night. Now, years later, Im retired. And like many retired people, I have time to read the news, and actually think about it. When I read of the two reporters about to be jailed for protecting confidential sources, I recalled my own dilemma from decades earlier, and got interested in the reporters story. I must say, what I found wasnt at all what I expected.

Judith Miller is really badly cast as the heroine for the cause of 1st amendment freedoms, though shes certainly made her career on the business of un-named sources. Shes been a New York Times reporter for 28 years. In 1986, she published a number of questionable stories about Libya presumably part of Admiral Poindexters campaign against Kadafi during the Reagan years. In 1990, she published Saddam Hussein and the Crisis in the Gulf with Laurie Mylroie.

Dr. Mylroie is a Harvard educated Middle East "expert" who has moved in high circles, but is thought of by many as an apocalyptic crackpot, long obsessed with the idea that Saddam Hussein is the epicenter for much of the evil in the world. Several days after 911, she wrote an article in the Wall Street Journal proclaiming that Iraq must have been behind the attack. A month later, Mylroie published Study of Revenge: Saddam Husseins Unfinished War Against America, proposing that Hussein was also behind the 1993 bombing attempt at the World Trade Center, the Oklahoma City bombing, the embassy bombings, and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole. The absence of evidence for her propositions didnt phase her in the least. Shes been a member of the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, where she worked with Paul Wolfowitz, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Richard Perle, and John Bolton - before they were absorbed into the Bush Administration. In August 2003, Mylroie published Bush vs. the Beltway : How the CIA and the State Department Tried to Stop the War on Terror, explaining how the Bush Administration fought off the C.I.A.s attempts to focus on Al Qaeda, and kept their sights on Hussein. To her way of thinking, this was a fine thing to do. Dr. Mylroie also was a supporter of the Iraqi National Congress (I.N.C.) made up of Iraqi expatriots including Amhad Chalabi.

But, beside Judith Millers close associations with the people who were pushing, and perhaps framing, the Iraqi war, her trajectory as an anti-Islamic Hawk had its own momentum. In 1996, she wrote God Has Ninety Nine Names about militant Islam, and established herself as something of a germ warfare expert with Germs in October of 2001, published at a time when the countrys paranoia was at its peak. But it was after September, 2002 that she really hit her stride. In the lead-in period to the Iraqi war, she published article after article about Iraqs Weapons of Mass Destruction, Chemical/Biological weapons, and Al Qaeda connections. Her sources were un-named, officials and Iraqi expatriots. As Bush increased his stampede to war, her articles fueled the fire - so much so that many now wonder if the Administration was feeding her directly. A few examples: December 20, 2001 - An Iraqi Defector Tells of Work on at Least 20 Hidden Weapons Sites , September 8, 2002 - U.S. Says Hussein Intensifies Quest for A-Bomb Parts , September 2, 2002 - White House Lists Iraq Steps To Build Banned Weapons, January 24, 2003 - Defectors Bolster U.S. Case Against Iraq. A complete listing of Judith Millers articles from September 11, 2001 to May 26, 2003 produces 165 articles, many in this vein.

In March, the U.S. invaded Iraq. Judith was embedded with the group looking for the WMDs, as it turns out by direct intervention by Donald Rumsfield. The soldiers didnt like her. She barked orders and apparently functioned as more than just a reporter. There were more articles: April 21, 2003 - Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert , April 23, 2003 - Focus Shifts From Weapons To the People Behind Them , April 24,2003 - U.S.-Led Forces Occupy Baghdad Complex Filled with Chemical Agents. As it became clear after a few months that there was nothing to be found and that her stories had been wrong, she kept up her rhetoric, even though other papers were saying "uh-oh:" May 21, 2003 - U.S. Analysts Link Iraq Labs to Germ Arms. The political pundits inside the beltway were all over her reporting. In May, Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post published an article with leaked internal NY Times emails revealing that Judiths main source was the infamous Amhad Chalabi, who was in the process of being exposed as a monumental liar (May 26, 2003 - Intra-Times Battle Over Iraqi Weapons, By Howard Kurtz). Millers tone changed. The May 21st article was the last of Millers really firebrand articles. A couple of weeks later, she publishes her first softened article on June 7, 2003 - Some Analysts of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ Use. But Kurtz kept coming, reporting on her behavior while in Iraq (June 25, 2003 - Embedded Reporters Role In Army Units Actions Questioned by Military, By Howard Kurtz).

CONTINUED...

http://3oldmen.com/2005/08/01/judith-miller-dark-actor /



It's nice to know there are so many people who really give a damn.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 02:55 PM
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13. Don't forget Gary Webb
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:13 PM
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42. i believe his family has begged people to accept his suicide
this was discussed here lately, and there was a link to a statement by the family that they were certain that he had committed suicide, and to please stop spreading this rumor.
yes, he did shoot himself twice. the first shot did not do the job. it happens.
not to say that i do not believe in the bfee, i sure the hell do. and to be sure, they figured in his depression and suffering. but they did not pull the trigger in this case.
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:17 PM
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44. they don't want anymore trouble

he had complained that people were harrassing him right before his death.

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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:25 AM
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74. I think I remember reading about that
He really let it all out about the Iran/Contra case. I read up on him sometime last year and he really did well with reporting it. He wasn't afraid of them you could tell but just getting the truth out there. I'm glad John Kerry was able to help him.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 03:03 PM
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15. America good. Internet bad.
Every time I see the local CBSABCNBC news I despair. These are coincidences, you are a conspiracy theorist and you can't believe the Internets. The local 6 o'clock news looks like a Father Knows Best rerun.

Even though most people know now, for example, that boosh lied for war, they still don't get it. In the name of national security so many lies have been told, so much corruption swept under the rug... and just for instance, why would the American people accept that the assassination of their president, President Kennedy, is something that they have no right to know the truth about? The Warren Commission, for whatever it's worth, is going to release its findings in 2036 (?) Why? Why should that be acceptable to us? How can we be free and be treated like children who have no right to know what the government is up to?

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 04:08 PM
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16. Well done!
Nominated, of course.

It is important for people to understand that the "spying" isn't limited to NSA and phone calls to distant lands. It is a coordinated effort, which monitors at the federal, state, and local level.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 05:45 PM
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17. kick
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:32 PM
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18. Of COURSE they're afraid. One major reason for all the spying has been
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 06:40 PM by Nothing Without Hope
to gather dossiers for BLACKMAIL. I'm betting there was entrapment using prostitutes of either sex, and perhaps of children too. Biit even without that kind of corruption, there would also be records of graft, payoffs, bribery, kickbacks. The Bushies will have the evidence filed away, ready to bring out if the congressman or judge or media owner or whoever threatens to bolt. These people are toeing the Bushie line in part from fear, not only of assassination or injury of themselves or their families, but also of threatened exposure of secrets that would end their political careers.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:27 AM
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75. And this could also be why
Frist is such a poodle with Bush and other republicans like McCain. He used to care about looking bipartisan but not since 2004.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 06:39 PM
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19. you bet!
great post
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ocean girl Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:46 PM
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20. Thanks to Octafish and H20 Man for all your hard work
You always teach me something.

I knew Bob Stevens personally and know the workings of the tabloids. Based on their system, it was probably just pure chance that Bob opened that envelope - it could have been one of several people. I think American Media, Inc. was the target, not Bob specifically since the envelope wasn't addressed to him. Photo editors usually don't pick the content of stories - they just fetch the photographs that the editors want. What's really sad is that he was one of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. I'll never understand why it had to be him.

Also, it may interest you to know that American Media now has a framed, autographed photo of Bush in the lobby.

I'm just saying...
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 07:49 PM
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21. We can't protect them
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 07:51 PM by JNelson6563
If the BFEE wants them whacked that'll be that. Unless you've got a pipeline in the BFEE and have advance notice of their To Be Whacked list.

I doubt they would take much comfort in the knowledge that we'll do our darndest to avenge 'em after they've been whacked either.

Julie
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susu369 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:16 PM
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22. Mafia power to suspend the release of the Presidential Papers
(now that took some serious strong-armed power - and was one of the initial crimes after bu$h* was put into office)

Published on Monday, October 10, 2005 by the New York Times
Bush's Veil Over History
by Kitty Kelley

WASHINGTON - SECRECY has been perhaps the most consistent trait of the George W. Bush presidency. Whether it involves refusing to provide the names of oil executives who advised Vice President Dick Cheney on energy policy, prohibiting photographs of flag-draped coffins returning from Iraq, or forbidding the release of files pertaining to Chief Justice John Roberts's tenure in the Justice Department, President Bush seems determined to control what the public is permitted to know. And he has been spectacularly effective, making Richard Nixon look almost transparent.

But perhaps the most egregious example occurred on Nov. 1, 2001, when President Bush signed Executive Order 13233, under which a former president's private papers can be released only with the approval of both that former president (or his heirs) and the current one.

Full Story:
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1010-20.htm
===

K & R
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happydreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:41 PM
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23. Another horrifying series of deaths connected to October Surprise
Edited on Tue Jan-24-06 08:44 PM by happydreams
is the deaths of a number of people interviewed by suicided Danny Casolaro. Then David Keith who picked up the story where Casolaro left of and wrote a book called 'Octopus" died in the hospital after a skiing accident. Then the lawyer (Wilcher) who brought the info on October Surprise to then Att. General Janet Reno was found dead in his apartment. Wilcher said he had a tape of Poppy in an SR 71 Blackbird that was used to fly him back to the US from France in hurry.
Poppy Bush was a main operative in delaying the release of the hostages held in Iran until after the 1980 election.

I have no doubt whatsoever that the BFEE will murder anybody who threatens their grip on power. The sleaziest cabal of thugs to have ever come down the pike. The only thing to keep them from doing what Hitler did is the US has a stronger tradition of democracy than Germany did.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 08:49 PM
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24. Hell yeah!
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 09:27 PM
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25. They better be, just look at how they were treated after the 911 attacks.
Well, the Dem majority leaders were sent anthrax most likely by a MILITARY company connectd to the BFEE. The BFEE has talons so deeply embeded into our military, so do Congress critters. The BFEE, unlike Congress, is bound to no laws nor can it be defeated by legislation from the minority party. Hopefully impeachment is real and sincere. Honestly, at this point I believe even moderate Repukes are scared of the BFEE.
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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:16 PM
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27. Exactly! What we need is an acurate history book.
And let's not forget JFK, Bobby Kennedy, and Martin Luther King, Jr.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 10:31 PM
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29. Request by the King Family

King Family Statement on the Justice Department "Limited Investigation" of the MLK Assassination

ATLANTA ... On behalf of The family of Martin Luther King, Jr, Martin Luther King III today issued the following statement on the U.S. Justice Department's release of its report on their "limited investigation" of recent evidence regarding the assassination of Dr. King

"We learned only hours before the Justice Department press conference that they were releasing the report of their results of their "limited investigation," which covered only two areas of new evidence concerning the assassination of Dr. King. We had requested that we be given a copy of the report a few days in advance so that we might have had the opportunity to review it in detail. Since that courtesy was not extended to us, we are only able at this time to state the following:

1. We initially requested that a comprehensive investigation be conducted by a Truth and Reconciliation Commission, independent of the government, because we do not believe that, in such a politically-sensitive matter, the government is capable of investigating itself.

2. The type of independent investigation we sought was denied by the federal government. But in our view, it was carried out, in a Memphis courtroom, during a month-long trial by a jury of 12 American citizens who had no interest other than ascertaining the truth. (Kings v. Jowers)

3. After hearing and reviewing the extensive testimony and evidence, which had never before been tested under oath in a court of law, it took the Memphis jury only 1 hours to find that a conspiracy to kill Dr. King did exist. Most significantly, this conspiracy involved agents of the governments of the City of Memphis, the state of Tennessee and the United States of America. The overwhelming weight of the evidence also indicated that James Earl Ray was not the triggerman and, in fact, was an unknowing patsy.

4. We stand by that verdict and have no doubt that the truth about this terrible event has finally been revealed.

5. We urge all interested Americans to read the transcript of the trial on the King Center website and consider the evidence, so they can form their own unbiased conclusions.

Although we cooperated fully with this limited investigation, we never really expected that the government report would be any more objective than that which has resulted from any previous official investigation. In a reasonable period of time, when we have had an opportunity to study the report, we will provide a detailed analysis of it to the media and on the aforementioned website."

Transcript of the "Limited Investigation":
http://www.thekingcenter.org/tkc/trial.html

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SupplyConcerns Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-24-06 11:11 PM
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30. Thanks for showing me that.
I always wonder what the families of these slain people really think about their relative's death. Especially in the case where it's been made to look like a suicide, which carries so much psychological baggage. Of course, some people, like the Wellstones or Bobby Kennedy just get killed as well.
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kma3346 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:08 AM
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31. Kick
:kick:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:12 AM
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37. Very important!
Thank you for providing this.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:51 AM
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39. This part is important as well

THE COURT: In answer to the question did Loyd Jowers participate in a conspiracy to do harm to Dr. Martin Luther King, your answer is yes.

Do you also find that others, including governmental agencies, were parties to this conspiracy as alleged by the defendant? Your answer to that one is also yes.

And the total amount of damages you find for the plaintiffs entitled to is one hundred dollars. Is that your verdict?

THE JURY: Yes (In unison).

http://www.thekingcenter.org/tkc/trial/Volume14.html


Of the course the DoJ didn't agree with the verdict and launced an 18 months investigation with the following result (of course):


In 2000, US Department of Justice completed the investigation about Jower's claims, but did not find evidence to support the allegations about conspiracy. The investigation report recommends no further investigation unless some new reliable facts are presented.

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/crim/mlk/part2.htm
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:08 AM
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41. The $100 was symbolic
as the family -- and clearly the jury -- were primarily concerned with the truth being told.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 05:58 PM
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80. James Earl Ray was innocent. The powers that be HAD TO STOP KING.
He was inspiring a powerful movement for social and economic justice. The corporacrats in power had to stop that, ever protective of their power.

They killed him. They can NEVER kill his vision,...EVER!
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:15 AM
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32. They were afraid of Samantha Smith... a WAY forgotten person....
'America's Youngest Ambassador' - the one who met w/ Yuri Andropov during the Cold War.

She died in a SMALL PLANE CRASH. Quite a few USSR dignitaries attended her funeral - none from the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Smith
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:21 AM
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33. Funeralgate
Somebody's dead in that story too, I don't remember right off the top of my head. Be glad to google it up if you don't have it yet.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 02:25 AM
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34. they definitely have something on the Dems
and something to keep the repukes in line

partly their reputation for killing opponents (or having opponents conveniently kill themselves)

partly their history of "ratfucking"

partly their illegal wiretaps and invasions of privacy

partly their ruthlessness
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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 04:51 AM
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35. K&R-Thanks for this Octafish !
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 04:51 AM by JennasLiver
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:41 AM
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38. Yup, everybody's got something to hide.
We've all done things we're ashamed of, things we don't want anyone to know. Things buried deep in our pasts.

For you and me, we face embarrasment, perhaps a disruption in our personal or business lives and maybe the loss of our loved ones' respect. For an ambitious politician, the stakes are higher--and the possibilities for wrongdoing are far greater than for ordinary people.

Look at the story of Ted Kennedy's love child. Not a shocker that--the Senator's been known to be a man about town--but the fact that it came out in a tabloid shortly after he pounded Alito in his confirmation hearing is interesting to say the least--maybe it was a warning shot across Kennedy's bow. "If you keep crossing us we'll release the "good stuff"."

Add to that, ambition and the willingness to compromise values to gain political advantage or for fear of losing an election and you have a situation where even the well intentioned are afraid to stand up for what they believe.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:02 AM
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40. I'm trying not to feel hopeless
The list of the dead keeps growing. The things that we accept being done in our names would make Satan proud. No relief in sight.
:banghead:

Good is supposed to triumph over Evil. I can't wait.
:dem:
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Pooka Fey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 12:46 PM
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43. K & R Follow the bodies. n/t
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 01:43 PM
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45. Great post once again.
The comfort I take is that they can't kill/silence everyone on the internet that speaks out against them, much as they'd like to. And our numbers are only going to grow every time they misstep or shoot themselves in the foot, which will be OFTEN.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 05:21 PM
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78. Bush: 'L'etat, C'est Moi'
Thank you for the kind words, HughBeaumont.

We are not alone...



Bush: 'L'etat, C'est Moi'

by Helen Thomas

We are now learning what President Bush considers to be the limits of his powernothing.

In public appearances this week, Bush defended his program of domestic spying without court approval, citing the inherent war powers of the presidency under the U.S. Constitution.

The president points to his status as commander-in-chief and the resolution approved by Congress three days after the 9/11 attacks authorizing him to use "all necessary and appropriate force" against the terrorists.

It is an obvious overreach of presidential prerogative; thin justification for what amounts to a snooping foray against Americans and others in the U.S.

It all smacks of France's Louis XIV's famous dictum: "L'etat, c'est moi" "I am the state."

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0127-20.htm



Keep spreadin' the news...
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JetCityLiberal Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 04:33 PM
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46. This is outstanding work
you have done. Bookmarked, and emailed.

People are literally fighting for their lives to expose these criminals, and people are losing their lives...

WAKE UP AMERICA!!!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 05:17 PM
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76. Impeach or Indict Bush and Cheney
Thanks for the kind words, JetCityLiberal!

Some more that's in the spirit of our times:



Impeach or Indict Bush and Cheney

by Ronnie Dugger
Published on Friday, January 27, 2006 by the Texas Observer

The year 2006 will be historic for the nation, and probably for humanity. Texans Bush and Rove and their conspirators in the second Bush presidency have disgraced American democracy at home and in the world with debasements of our nation and our values that have now entered their climactic phase. What part will the rest of us Texans play in this decisive year?

As I have written in a review-essay that appears in the tenth-anniversary spring issue of Yes!, the quarterly of new solutions published in Washington state by David and Frances Korten (YesMagazine.org), we are living and working in the very days and nights of the American Emergency, the climactic American Crisis. Our elections are bought, and our government is run by and for the major transnational corporations. Bush announced in 2002 his illegal presidential policy that the United States can and will attack other nations first, waging war on them, when he so decides. He is now waging, as if he were doing it in our names, a bloody war of aggression against Iraq, which on the face of it is a crime against humanity under the Nuremberg principles that we and our allies established and enforced with hangings after World War II. The President, the Vice-President, and their factors sold this war to Congress with twistings and lies that were crafted to infuriate and terrorize us about Iraqs alleged connections to Al Qaeda and mass-murder endangerments to us from Iraq itself, all of which literally did not exist. In polls now six of 10 Americans do not believe the president is honest. Yet he has three more years of dictatorial control over our nuclear and other arms and our Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps and seems now to be maneuvering to use that control to wage another aggressive war on Iran, with literally incalculable consequences.

We Texans are a major source of this deterioration into crisis. The leading Democrats of the state so dishonored the liberal traditions of their party that in the resulting political vacuum, Bush was elected Governor here, and from Austin he mounted the campaign that a 5-4 majority of the U.S. Supreme Court illegally decreed made him President. After that, House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, from Sugar Land, crafted his scheme to use corporate money to widen the Republicans majority in the Texas delegation to Washington, D.C., battening down right-wing GOP control of the House and the Congress. The third President from Texas and his Republican Congress then waged aggressive war on Iraq, drove the nation into insolvency to further enrich the already rich, and just for good measure tore up the Constitution.

As we in Texas bear guilt for this we have also begun to join the resistance and revolt against it, starting with Cindy Sheehans brigades in Crawford. By happy accident the Texas trip-root that now threatens to help bring the Bush presidency crashing down, crushing itself under its own arrogance, hubris, and criminality, is a law against corporate money in Texas elections that was passed a century ago in the states populist afterglow. To uphold that law, Travis County District Attorney Ronnie Earle has braved ruthless contumely, as he had done often before in order to prosecute public officials he believed had violated the laws. While it is merely seemly to await the outcome of the trial of DeLay and his co-defendants on the charges that they laundered corporate money through Washington to elect Republicans to the House from Texas, in a speech in September Earle declared what he believes his prosecution is all about. Corporate money in politics has become the fight of our generation of Americans....It is our jobour fightto rescue democracy from the money that has captured it, he said. The issue that were faced with is the role of large concentrations of money in democracy, whether its individuals or corporations, the issue is the same.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0127-30.htm



After the trial, comes conviction. Then punishment.
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Clara T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 09:08 PM
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47. kick
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:33 PM
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50. kick
Edited on Wed Jan-25-06 10:37 PM by bobthedrummer

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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:34 PM
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51. don't forget Ray Lemme who was about to break the stealing of 2004
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 02:48 PM
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58. Post "news conference" kick n/t
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 06:50 AM
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64. NYT Reporter David Rosenbaum's recent murder and the 2 patsies
who deserve to have attention paid to the likely torture that is going on:
http://www.xymphora.blogspot.com /

Re: Fascism; 2006-01-12 More of the Rosenbaum piece can be read here (second cited chunk)

http://brilliantatbreakfast.blogspot.com/2005/12/looks-...

I guess 'someone' didn't appreciate light being cast on Alito's creepy 1984(heh) memo ?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/09/national/09rosenbaum....
http://www.wusatv9.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=4...

Another is the cops are under heat to find someone to take the rap to make the heat go away. So they put out some totally unrelated video. Arrest people and lie about the whole thing. Then follow well established torture procedures(recall the Chicago cop torture presentation by an activist group recently to the OECD.) and get "confessions". An innocent guy would wonder why he was on TV.
http://www.livejournal.com/users/mparent7777/5593000.ht...

And now this rosenbaum fellow is connected to Alito. This Alito some years ago wrote a book promoting what we have come to know has neo facism .. and this Mr Rosenbaum was a inside on such cases .. involving alito and the gop .. Rosenbaum was a Bush backer but these sociopaths will kill each other ..

**coincidentally he was dead abou the same time the confirmation hearings started .........???????????

He'd been digging around the National Archives for some time. That's where he got the wire-tapping memo. You don't just find one trail when you do that kind of research. You find a bunch of them. Who knows what else.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 06:58 AM
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65. Where there's a scandal their's a Bush
Edited on Fri Jan-27-06 06:59 AM by FreedomAngel82
If you haven't try to find the film "JFK II- The Bush Connection." It's a film that connects the Bush's (Poppy and Prescott) to the killing of Kennedy. I find it quite impossible for Poppy to not remember where he was when Kennedy was killed if my own mother remembers and she was a wee little girl. That's like me not remembering where I was on 9/11. Ha!

http://jfkmurdersolved.com/images/JFKpoints.bmp

Where were you George? :mad: Freakin Nazi bastard. :cry:
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:01 AM
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66. There's another guy too
His last name is Tarpley. He wrote a book about Poppy that tells of everything. Check him out at http://www.tarpley.net
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:02 AM
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67. I think John Kerry and Ted Kennedy might be the only one's
And Ted Kennedy. I think they're the only one's not afraid. Sometimes Reid isn't. But they're more afraid of Ted Kennedy for whatever purpose I think. :shrug:
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 07:15 AM
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69. I really think John Kennedy's crash was pretty well explained, but
I can get behind a few of the others. :thumbsup: Flying by instrument only is difficult for even an experienced pilot.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-27-06 05:21 PM
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77. kick
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