Chavez might have his faults, but the guy deserves a fucking medal

[mtnsnake]

for saying something that all our Democratic leaders would love to say...but don't have the balls to.

In a justifiably weird kind of way, the world is a just a little better off since Chavez said what he said about Bush.

Next time he gets the mike, I hope he calls Bush a dipshit. "George Bush esta El Dipshitto!"

[az chela]

1. LOL,I agree completely with you on this one

We all know the little puke needs to be called much worse than this

[meisje]

2. Didn't he flee the country? What a tough guy

[rman]

19. Who, Chavez? Where the heck did you get that idea from?

[LibertyorDeath]

3. "George Bush esta El Dipshitto!"

A colossal Dipshitto!

How do you respond george?

[dharmabum65]

4. Exactly correct!

If the cowardly democrats had any of the integrity,courage and passion that Chavez repeatedly displays,we could actualy save our country and the constitution from the Bush Crime Family!

[mtnsnake]

5. Yup, courage and passion are sorely lacking

You hit the nail on the head, dharma.

[partylessinOhio]

6. Maybe next time he could call his 'ho a 'ho!

Mistress of Evil is always in the picture at an arm's length.

[billbuckhead]

8. Bush sure does have pointy ears

[Cha]

7. How about "El Guerro Criminale"?

I'm sure that's not the right phrase but you get the idea?

[ComerPerro]

11. Not exactly the best phrasing

[Cha]

15. THen give us the

correct one, por favor. :)

[ComerPerro]

9. not everyone who trashes Bush is your friend. And, additionally,

trashing Bush in the international community isn't exactly taking any kind of bold stance.

Its not like he is gonna have to face his angry people or anything...

[mtnsnake]

13. Anyone who trashes Bush like Chavez did is my buddy, at least for a day!

More people should follow his example. If they did, the nightmare would end sooner than later.

[Cha]

16. And I'm betting Chavez

would have no trouble facing bush mano a mano, either!

[greenman3610]

10. No, I think he's been unhelpful

As satisfying as it is to hear someone
tell it as it is, as one of those who see the UN as one of mankinds
best hopes, I find this less than useful.

Already the rightwing is drumming on this to
fire up the base, and trying to make the middle of the
roaders see it as time to circle the wagons around
our pres embattled by "furriners".

Chavez would have done better to focus on his
offer of cheap fuel to poor Americans, and
be more professional on the floor of the UN.

[mtnsnake]

12. Ya gotta stop worrying about things like that

If you're worried that Chavez's tongue lashing on Bush is going to stir up the rightwingers, then you're going to worry about anything. Stop letting the rightwingers push you around. Enjoy the moment!

[Jim Lane]

20. Chavez was pulling an Ann Coulter: wild language to get attention

I agree with you, mtnsnake, that there's no point in worrying that Chavez will stir up the rightwingers. They already think every Democrat in Congress is a socialist and/or actively roots for al-Qaeda.

There is a point, however, in considering how this will affect swing voters. Coulter's outlandishness pleases the RW base but makes their whole side look silly in the eyes of centrists. I fear that Chavez will do the same to us.

You can make a powerful case against Bush without calling him "the devil". If the issue is framed as whether Bush is the devil, we'll lose in many voters' eyes. So why let that be the issue? The issues should be whether he lied to get us into a war that hurts our national interest, whether he favored his rich pals at the expense of the bottom 90% of the population, etc.

I must regretfully agree with greenman3610 that Chavez, by venting his anger this way, has done more harm than good.

[Karenina]

23. What is missing in your post

is an understanding that AMERICA IS NOT THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE. Chavez is in NO WAY beholden to frame issues in a way that is acceptable to Americans. Indeed, he is quite compassionate in not blaming American citizens for their COMPLETE IMPOTENCE in reining in their *gubmint-T-rex-on-a-rampage. One of your mullahs publicly called for his assassination and the CIA failed in its attempt to overthrow his DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENT and you're worried how the TRUTHS he spoke will affect YOUR DOMESTIC NUTJOBS!!! AMAZING!!!

[malaise]

27. Bingo

Funny how MSMs reactions are the same as they were when Colbert roasted the fugging devil.

[Jim Lane]

29. Why it was "missing"

Of course America isn't the center of the universe. I was addressing the issue of whether Chavez's comments would be helpful or unhelpful in U.S. politics, but that doesn't mean I deny the existence of other considerations. Chavez presumably was more concerned about the effect at the U.N. Does rhetoric of this sort help drive his point home to that audience, or does it lessen his credibility in the eyes of the international community? I didn't comment on that question because I have no idea.

It's partly an issue of personal style. To me, calling someone "the devil" is just silly. It's much more effective to use facts and logic (as you did, for example, in noting the coup attempt). My stylistic preference is obviously not universal, though, as shown by Coulter's continuing prominence.

[mtnsnake]

24. The thing is

the fact that we DON'T do what Chavez did...that we only beat around the bush, no pun intended...only proves to swing voters that Democrats just might be as wimpy as what the Republicans claim.

Look, no world leaders should have to run around calling other world leaders the devil, but we're not talking Jack and Jill here. Bush IS the fucking devil, and it's important that someone has stepped up to call him out and do it in crystal clear rhetoric that even the simpletons can understand. I only hope that more world leaders follow suit. Sometimes the rhetoric has to be tough to drive the point home.

Here we have the leader of the most powerful nation on earth leading the world to the brink of disaster and the best that Democrats can do is say Bush "mislead" us. Wow, that's really gutsy! :eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

31. Of course he was...

do you think Americans would give him a second thought if he hadn't stirred up this pot of shit?

[Ino]

14. Memorable quote from "Broadcast News"

What do you think the Devil is going to look like if he's around? Nobody is going to be taken in if he has a long, red, pointy tail. No. I'm semi-serious here. He will look attractive and he will be nice and helpful and he will get a job where he influences a great God-fearing nation and he will never do an evil thing... he will just bit by little bit lower standards where they are important. Just coax along flash over substance... Just a tiny bit. And he will talk about all of us really being salesmen. And he'll get all the great women.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. We should have said, "Yes, he's the devil. But he's OUR devil."

[Vidar]

18. Bravo. Viva Chavez!

[FrenchieCat]

21. Well give Hugo his medal and let's move on....

cause we've got other fish to fry.....

Right?

[GreenTea]

22. Viva Chavez! I do love this man!

[RebelOne]

25. Just to show my appreciation for Chavez,

I filled up with Citgo gas this morning and it was only $2.16 a gallon.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

26. It's not a matter of "balls".

If a senior Democrat called Bush "the Devil", they would probably lose their seat and harm the party's electoral chances. Another n years of Republican government for a momentary satisfaction is a poor deal.

Chavez can do it because there's no cost to him in doing so. It's not comparable at all.

[mtnsnake]

28. Oh gimme a break. It took all kinds of guts for Chavez to do it

and he knew he'd be getting lots of heat for doing it. Like it or not, the guy is a world leader, so for you to say there's no cost in him doing what he did is just plain wrong.

If a senior Democrat called Bush "the Devil", they would probably lose their seat and harm the party's electoral chances. Another n years of Republican government for a momentary satisfaction is a poor deal.

Oh come on. One of the reasons why we're suffering all these years under total Republican rule is because almost all of our Democratic leaders don't even have the guts to call the most corrupt president in history a liar. The best most of them can do is say Bush "mislead" us. No one, not even me, is expecting any of our leaders to call Bush the devil, although I'd love if one of them did. All we want is for them to start getting MUCH tougher with their rhetoric and denouncing Bush in the manner he deserves. We the constituents deserve nothing less, but our pansy ass Dem leaders pretty much say nothing harsh. Instead they sit back and let other world leaders take the initiative. Heck, even Bush's fellow repukes have been tougher on Bush than we have. Shame fucking shame on all of our gutless Dems for not denouncing this fucker.

[Virginia Dare]

30. Yep, I've been saying this since yesterday,

but I'm hoping he calls him an asshat fuckwad, whatever the spanish translation is for that..

[StraightDope]

32. The term you're looking for is...

"Cabeza de mierda"...

[stepnw1f]

33. It Was a Major Slap Down... an Unveiling Bush's Weakness on his own Turf

and righties know it! I'm twisting this knife, and enjoying every moment. :hi: