George Allen ADMITTING his entire family is shamed his mother is Jewish

[Proud2BAmurkin]

said HE hid the fact that his mother is Jewish because she and his father were ashamed of it.

Unfuckingreal

[MasonJar]

1. That should get him some Jewish votes---not.

[oncall247]

2. Please post a link. I find that hard to believe. Thanks.

[Subdivisions]

4. Believe it.

[Maine-ah]

7. yep, I'm with you!

welcome to DU!

I want some form of link, or at least where you heard this from.

[Subdivisions]

9. It's an interview on CNN with Blitzer right now.

[Maine-ah]

19. thankyou.

[notadmblnd]

25. it was an interview on CNN

those weren't his exact words, but it's what it amounts to. His mother didn't tell him because she was afraid he wouldn't love her anymore and she thought she would also be rejected by her friends and her husbands friends.

[Cha]

43. Wow...What's making him

admit this now? Reminds me when Kerry was running and they had all that stuff in the Boston papers about him and his ancestry.

[onenote]

45. wouldn't it be more accurate to say

Allen is admitting that his mother was afraid the family would be ashamed of her?

[serryjw]

33. Regardless of the religion he practices

HE IS JEWISH in the eyes of the faith when your mother is Jewish!
http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=24533

[chelsea0011]

3. He's clueless how this is all sounding. Afraid family and now

friends would hate her for being Jewish. Nice crowd they all hang out with.

[Kagemusha]

5. Forgive my boundless cynicism but, what's shocking about this?

Rewrote this reply because it might've come off wrong: in hardcore Christian circles, why WOULDN'T he feel shame? If they thought Judaism was correct they'd be Jews.

[LeftishBrit]

13. There is a difference between rejecting the religion..

and being ashamed of one's Jewish heritage.

I'm an atheist, and am Jewish due to my mother being a Jew. I am getting to feel ashamed of having anything in common with George Allen, but then I suppose we have other things in common, such as having two eyes and a nose and a mouth.

We had a Christian Prime Minister of Jewish descent IN VICTORIAN TIMES (Disraeli) - I can't believe this Senator. Who votes for him?

[Greeby]

18. Yes, but the crucial difference between you and Allen

You don't use your mouth to breathe ;)

[aquart]

16. SHAME????

For being the same faith as Jesus Christ? Descendent of the House of David? Son of Mary?

Dear me.

That is a zenith of self-loathing, don't you think?

[Kagemusha]

20. I hear you, but I'm not in such circles. If I were...

well, if I were I wouldn't be saying this at all. But if I were, I'd be spouting stuff about how enemies of Sen. Allen are trying to sow confusion about his commitment to Christ to undermine his support among the born-again.

And that they're anti-semites to boot.

Which is what Allen's people are saying...

[Bluerthanblue]

17. no, in Christian

circles, a "Completed Jew" has the best of both worlds. They are among the "chosen people" and they have seen the light.
Don't forget, Jesus was a Jew- So was Father Abraham, Moses, Noah, Elijah, and all the patriarchs.

[LostinVA]

47. Agreed -- he's a frigging CCC member and Klan wannabee

They HATE JEWS. This is akin to a Grand dragon finding out he's part black.

[Lerkfish]

49. why shame?

that's the crux of the scandal. Not that his mother was jewish, but that anyone should feel shamed by it. Even in hardcore christian circles, being of jewish heritage is no reason for shame.

however, in white supremacist circles, it is.

Those two groups do occasionally (and perhaps too frequently) overlap, but there is no inherent reason for fundamentalist christians to be ashamed of jewish heritage. All the disciples were jewish, as was Jesus.

[Bluerthanblue]

6. how sad, remember when Kerry found out

his grandfather was Jewish, and had committed suicide?
He was not ashamed. He was moved with compassion, and glad to learn the truth.

I really feel sorry for mr.Allen. He is a sad man.

[Subdivisions]

8. OMG! What a fucking liar! My God! This guy is a SENATOR!

[TahitiNut]

29. None of it passes a sniff test. Political Kabuki.

There's no rational, honest reason on earth to hide or lie about one's ancestry, imho. Either he regards his ancestry as a "political liability" or he's a bigot. Personally, I'd be overjoyed to find that my ancestry was diverse, and the more diverse the better. I've done as much genealogy as I can but tracing my ancestry on my father's side is a rat's nest of marriages, divorces, unmarried mothers and very common names (e.g. Davis, Clark, etc.) going back to 17th century colonial America, as far as some tenuous data I've collected indicates. My uncle indicated that he recalled some family talk about a black great-great-grandmother but he was unable to offer any documentation or specifics. It'd tickle me pink to find out more. Why wouldn't anyone be proud of a diverse ancestry?? (Boggles my mind.)

[Leopolds Ghost]

35. Webb needs to get on this somehow.

An ad indirectly referring to Allen's mother asking why Allen pretends to be a Confederate when he is a self-loathing carpetbagger whose parents and grandparents taught him to be ashamed of his Jewish relatives and condescending towards minorities. Southern Heritage does NOT mean Californian, and it does NOT mean Anti-Semitism! He should get someone of the many prominent old-line Jewish families in Richmond (which, like Birmingham, has a long-time Jewish community) to deliver an ad like this.

[TahitiNut]

42. Webb should only do it by proxy - keeping his distance above it.

No matter how articulate, it's political nitroclycerine. At the very most, if pressed, he should say he doesn't understand why Allen isn't both well-informed about and proud of having diverse ancestry. It's too bad he hasn't had the opportunity to learn from his family background. (It could no doubt be said better, but the 'hook' is in that last sentence.)

[notadmblnd]

44. I think it's because he's a racist and a bigot and is afraid

he'll lose the support of his KKK and white supremist pals. As for his mother, he claimed she taught them tolerence, so why would she be afraid that he would reject her when he found out about her heritage. Sounds to me like his mom knows he's anything but tolerent.

[LostinVA]

48. Of course there is -- he's a CCCer -- he is a white supremacist

And makes no bones about it. The Klan, et al, loathe Jews... they think they are sub-human. Imagine what this is doing to both his nasty little psyche and his extremist supporters?

It is pure, unadulterated poetic justice... and I fucking LOVE it. It couldn't happen to a more deserving punk than Felix...

(I have relatives would I know would commit suicide if they found out they were part black.)

[Selatius]

10. This is 60 years after the end of WW2 and the Holocaust

Honestly, you would think attitudes that would lead one to feel ashamed of Jewish ancestry died in the last fires of that war, but people too easily forget hard lessons, don't they?

[flpoljunkie]

22. Self-delete.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Way Too Common...

My parents generation was full of "self-hating Jews"...people who hated being a Jew cause it got in their way of being "an American".

Few here remember a time when Jews were discriminated against in this country. My mother had to hide her Judiasm when she took a job in the 30's as the company would have fired her if they had learned out about her religion. She hated it, but this was the depression and her family desperately needed the money. She wasn't alone. Anti-Semtism in this country during the 30's was thick in this country and many immigrants or their children not only discarded their Judiasm but would renounce it to get ahead in a very white, christian country.

Allen is a lying sack of shit. He's trying to cover up for not only a family that was ashamed of being Jewish but were anti-semites. I recall stories of Felix's dad...the football coach...as being anti-semetic.

Allen is embarassed of having Jewish blood...that's cause he's been unmasked as not only a racist, but now an anti-semite. He keeps digging himself in deeper every time this fool opens his trap.

[C_U_L8R]

12. This is such total BS

Allen is a man who dresses up in confederate costumes.
Nuff Said.

[thereismore]

14. Just goes to show: Allen is STUPID!!! A great successor to GWB, BTW

[dave502d]

15. Allen is lying.

We need to fine out if he knew this before.I don't care about him being Jewish.
I just don't like his lying.

[onenote]

46. how do you plan to prove that?

I'm a big Webb supporter. And while we're enjoying the fact that Allen keeps getting forced off-message, we also have to be careful to know when to move on in order to avoid a voter backlash.

[flpoljunkie]

21. Wolf, your transparent effort to rehabilitate George "Macaca" Allen was

priceless, and Allen took the opportnity to milk it mightily and shamelessly, with such comments as "Are they going to be putting gold stars on us now?" purportedly asked by his mother. Puhleeze!

And how about a follow up question, Wolf? "If, as you say, you made up the word "macaca", which just happens to be a French Tunisian slur for dark skinned people, what did you mean by the word "macaca?"

[JanusAscending]

23. That's NOT the way I heard it!!

Do I believe him??? That's another matter....I just wonder what the "Klan" thinks of him now??? Your heritage is not something you should ever be ashamed of. If he had already known this, why didn't his brothers and sisters? His Mom begged him not to tell them. I wonder how old she is????

[tulsakatz]

24. you know, I saw him when he was on MTP recently.......

...and his 'mucacah' remark was addressed. Anyway, he went on and on about how he was from a football family and in football you learn that racism doesn't exist because all races have value.......I don't remember the exact words but it was something like that.

So if that's true, why would he be ashamed to admit he's part Jewish? That sounds racist to me.....

[Leopolds Ghost]

38. If that's true, why'd he make a watermelon joke about a prominent Redskin?

Which you will not hear anything about in the Washington Pravda... UNLESS Allen changes parties and becomes a liberal democrat. Then all this "news" about Allen's "football family" will suddenly be revealed by the Post and TV shows. Don't believe me?

[redherring]

26. I think he hid it because he's a republican

I don't think his right-wing Christian supporters would like the fact his mother is Jewish, and so he hid it, even though he knew full well that his mother is Jewish.

[flpoljunkie]

27. Loved Josh Marshall's take on Allen appearance with Wolf...

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/009906.php

(September 21, 2006 -- 04:47 PM EDT)

I suspect this Allen interview might help him since he's really laying it on pretty thick. But it's cool that he's dedicating the rest of life to the fight against discrimination of all sorts. That'll be interesting to watch. I guess it was too much for Wolf Blitzer to bring up Allen's history with white supremacist groups. That wouldn't have been nice.

-- Josh Marshall

[burythehatchet]

28. The relative ease with which these men lie is truly

breathtaking. When their web of lies is exposed, there is not even a modecom of shame. They go to jail and yet they still feel they have a right to dictate their morality to others.

[Catherine Vincent]

30. That guy is whack. You should never be ashamed of your own flesh&blood.

[AspenRose]

31. Some seriously screwed up family dynamics there

I sure hope he doesn't find out he has any black ancestry....he may just kill himself (!)

(oooh I just thought about Dave Chapelle's character, the black racist who thought he was white...."White Power!" :rofl: )

[Leopolds Ghost]

39. Depends on how long his family lived in French Tunisia.

A North African nation, in case folks didn't know.

We do know he's half French and zero percent "native Virginian".

ON EDIT: If the "august" Lumbroso family lived in Tunisia for
generations and has NO black ancestors, well, I would be LESS
proud to be part of that sort of "august" family tradition, wouldn't you?

There's nothing worse than a lily-white "Arab"
aristocracy in a mostly-black nation (think: Sudan, Zanzibar) --
the whole basis of their culture is segregation from black people.

[Spider Jerusalem]

50. There's a very large problem with what you're saying:

to wit, Tunisia (and, indeed, most of North Africa) isn't mostly black; it's mostly Arab and Berber. So your statement is completely ignorant. The ethnic majority of sub-Saharan Africa is black, but not of North Africa; and if the Lumbroso family were Jewish, one would expect that they intermarried within the Jewish community, as Jews everywhere have historically done.

[Orangepeel]

32. I believe he didn't know.

We know his mother is a racist asshole (because he learned the word "macaca" from her), so she probably is a self-hating Jew and she probably did try to keep it a secret.

And, we know that Allen is 1) also a racist asshole and 2) an idiot. Why would it occur to him that he wasn't "pure"?

Why does it matter whether or not he knew? What matters is that he's 1) a racist asshole; 2) an idiot; 3) a lousy Senator and 4) going to lose in November.

[Vinca]

34. Felix lost the Jewish vote as well as the Klan vote.

Tough times.:rofl:

[oldboy101]

36. I'm willing to give Allen the benefit of the doubt

He sounded sincere to me when he explained the situation to Blitzer. His mother was just a girl when the Nazis came in the middle of the night and arrested her father in Tunisia. After that she was afraid to let anyone know that she was Jewish. She converted to Christianity and never told her children that she was of Jewish heritage.

Now all these years later, this has been discovered. George questioned his mother about it and only learned about this a couple of weeks ago. He says his mother begged him not to tell her other children. What a pity that this woman has lived with such a lie most of her life.

However if all this is true, then I certainly cannot blame George for it. Still the story is not going to do anything for his chances in November and I am hopeful that Webb will win this election!

[Leopolds Ghost]

37. Read Michael Beschloss' "The Conquerors" on American Anti-Semitism

20% of America wanted to enter the war on the German side.

Republican leaders attacked "FDR's Jewish advisers" for
trying to "punish and humiliate Germany" after the war.

It gets worse.

There were plenty of people like Allen's grandfather who,
according to Beschloss, criticized FDR's "jewish advisers"
for "making the jewish race look bad" by "appearing harsh
and vindictive" in response to the Holocaust.

FDR's top advisor, Treasury Secretary Morgenthau, was sacked
by anti-semites in the Truman administration.

Then there's the hypocrisy of French North African who is
ashamed of her parent's religion yet passes on words like
"macaca" to her son.

[ikojo]

40. During WWII when some in congress were trying

to work to at least allow Jewish CHILDREN into the US, a congressman said that Jewish children become Jewish adults and they should not be allowed in.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/grobim.html

Wagner-Rogers legislation — Legislation was introduced in the United States Congress in 1939 by Rep. Robert Wagner to admit a total of 20,000 Jewish children over a two-year period above the refugee quota applicable at the time. The legislation was inspired by similar efforts by the Dutch and British government to save Jewish children from Nazi terror. The legislation was amended in committee to admit the 20,000 children only if the number of Jewish refugees admitted under the regular quota was reduced by 20,000. The bill died in the House after the sponsor withdrew his support for the bill in frustration.

[Swamp Rat]

41. Macaca is a JEW???

He's gonna lose his seat! :D