Who Are We Torturing Today?

[ThomWV]

Poll question: Who Are We Torturing Today?

Since the first day of his Presidency George Bush has stunned concerned Americans with his brazen disregard for the law.

We are torturing people, we have been torturing people, and it is likely that as long as Bush remains in office we will continue to torture people. It is generally, but quietly, assumed that the people he is torturing are foreigners captured in his "War on Terror". But do we know that to be true?

I shudder to think what revelations are yet to come. In that light I ask:

[etherealtruth]

1. Thom ... can we have a choice that includes both?

[Jack Rabbit]

3. I believe choice two implies both

The poll, more simply stated, is whether the junta is torturing Americans. We don't need to ask if they are torturing foreigners.

[etherealtruth]

7. Yep, yep ...I see

Of course "we" are torturing foreign nationals:puke: ... so, I need to vote for the second choice because I have no doubt "we" are torturing Americans as well.

[Jack Rabbit]

8. I wish we would get off this "we" business

Bush and the neoconservatives are part of us.

[Jack Rabbit]

2. My hunch is that this his been confined to foreigners

It is easy to do waterboard a foreigner in secret prisons, knowing that they are faceless, they are suspected terrorists (why use two words? It's so awkward; they are terrorists) and that we have a debate in this country whether the Geneva Conventions apply to them. Most importantly, they aren't getting out any time soon.

It would be more difficult to do that with an American and get away with it. People are going to be looking for him or will be aware that he has been arrested by federal agents; Bush's victims in this case will have faces; more people will say a body of law applies in this case and fewer will be willing to go along with the yuppie fascists and presume the guilt of the detainee.

[lonestarnot]

4. I'm tortured with the mere thought of that crap bag occupying the W.H.

[Jed Dilligan]

5. What about foreigners taken on American soil?

[leftofthedial]

6. all of us

king george's repuke Murka is a terrorist state

[TahitiNut]

9. It's appalling that we'd think it was better if limited to foreigners.

A human being is a human being. When it comes to civil liberties and human (inalienable) rights, the Constitution makes no distinction between citizens and non-citizens, domestic or foreign.

Nor should any person of conscience, imho.