So, who is the source of the Bush & Abramoff pics?

[sabra]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/22/politics/main1227468.shtml

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CBS News correspondent Joie Chen reports Time's sources did not allow the magazine to print any of the sources, so the hunt for the photos is on. Political observers say the photos will lead to more questions for the White House (video).

"I think the president would be much better off if her gave a full accounting of his relations with Abramoff and let it get behind them," analyst Craig Crawford told Chen. "Unless they are hiding something."

Member of the Indian tribe affiliated with Abramoff, a family member, Jeff Gannon... ? How much do think these pics are worth?

[Steve A Play]

1. Does anyone know the names of the tribal leaders who visited the WH?

It's possible that a search for those names might pull something up. :shrug:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. This is a meaningless dead end

The President has his picture taken with thousands of people for thousands of reasons. So what if there are pictures of him with Abramoff? There are pictures of him with other lobbyists.

It's a red herring. Don't pay this hyped-up non-issue any mind.

Follow the money. That's how lobbyists work, and that's how indictments and convictions are obtained.

Not with photos.

It's just another way to try to divert our attention from the real issues - Iraq, oil prices, FEMA, cronyism, the absolute corruption of all of our governmental agencies because of no-bid contracts, and on and on.

[babylonsister]

3. Agreed, OLL, that this is a diversion, but when dimson says he

never even met the guy, and then has to swallow those words once pix surface, it does show what a liar he is.

[sabra]

5. I hear what you are saying.... But, Scotty and BushCo have

indicated that Bush doesn't know Abramoff, and maybe met him casually through those 1000's of photo ops. However we do have Scotty on the record saying this, just as he did with Rove/Libby not being involved in Plamegate. He was grilled after he was proven to lie/cover, and it will be even worse this time.

[TomInTib]

6. Spot on. Classic bait- "Oh, those pics. We forgot. Now let's move on."

Meanwhile they continue to wreak havoc while we keep dog-paddling waiting for the next Really Big Thing that won't really be a big thing at all.

They just keep creatin' that ol' reality, don't they?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

22. Man,

imagine the fun we could have if we could get some of whatever they're ingesting .............

[TomInTib]

27. I think we used to have it but lost our connection to the connection

[Steve A Play]

9. Sir, with all due respect, while what you say may be true

in a court of law, when fighting a propaganda war a single picture is worth a thousand words in the 'court of public opinion'. Our adversaries know that, which is why they're working so hard to keep the pictures out of the public 'eye'.

Most of the public don't follow detailed stories very well. Many never read an article past the first few paragraphs. Millions of people will look at the photos and merely scan the headline of the story or caption beneath the pictures. Those pictures will instantly tell a story that many people are too lazy or self absorbed to ever read. Combined with the e-mails that Abramoff and then Governor Bush exchanged could be more damning in most people's minds than any story so far written.

Steven P. :kick:

[OldLeftieLawyer]

11. Sir?

Oh, dear. You haven't heard? Women are lawyers now, too. It started a while back. You were probably busy looking at pictures.

OK, I'm teasing you.

You have overlooked one very large reality:

Outside of the Beltway, no one cares.

No one cares. No one cares about the NSA matter, and they don't care about pictures of anyone with anyone because, frankly, they're not interested in the Abramoff matter. So, photos - in or out of a court of law - are meaningless.

By the way, don't assume that one's profession defines one's opinions about everything. You'd be wrong, as you are here.

This is not a PR matter - it's a legal matter, and all you're doing - may I call you "Sir"? - is letting yourself be led around by the nose straight to where they want you to look.

Don't fall for it.

And, next time you select an appellation, be careful.

[wakeme2008]

10. I take exception MAYBE

If any photo comes out at Camp David OR the Pig Farm, then they are smoking guns IMHO.....

[OldLeftieLawyer]

12. What kind of smoking gun?

Did you read my OP? There are thousands of pictures of Presidents with people. Do you honestly believe the President knows the names of all those people?

You are so easily led to the wall, all the while the real issues are behind you. Don't fall for it.

[linazelle]

16. It's one thing to have one photo--but half a dozen photos with

a man dripping with money? Come onnn. The evidence that they're lying again is there. This should not be overlooked.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

21. They're meaningless

If you see a picture of yourself with someone, so what?

Do you realize how many people are photographed with the President?

And, honestly, if you show me six pictures of Bush and Abramoff, I'm going to show you twelve pictures of Bush with Prince Charles.

So, what's proven?

Nothing.

[linazelle]

31. What's proven is that it's reasonable to expect that I KNOW a person

I've been in a photo with half a dozen times.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

33. Honey,

we're not talking about you.

We're talking about the President of the United States.

Oy gevalt. Go read up on the Presidency in modern times, and how it's conducted.

[wakeme2008]

30. I read your OP

and I will still say it is WHERE the pictures are taken that counts.

* and him in a golf cart for example can not be spun away as "he takes thousands of photos with.."

[OldLeftieLawyer]

36. Huh?

You're kidding, right?

[Scout1071]

15. Monica Lewinsky was just another face on a receiving line once upon a time

But those pics sure came back to haunt ol' Bill.......

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. Not really

Linda Tripp's tapes and a DNA test on a blue dress were what mattered.

Those video clips are meaningless.

I look at Bubba working those crowds, and I wonder who else in those crowds blew him.............

[Scout1071]

41. I'm sorry, but in the court of public opinion, the pics/video of them

embracing in the receiving line went a long, long way.

Played over and over again on the news and cable talk.

[JanMichael]

19. Wasn't it Groucho and not Karl?

Just curious:-)

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. Uh,

duh.

;)

[FreedomAngel82]

20. So why are they scurring to get rid of the pictures?

[OldLeftieLawyer]

25. Who's getting rid of pictures?

You believe everything you read?

OK, then, go with this:

You must send all your ready cash to OldLeftieLawyer. Wait for further instructions.

[TahitiNut]

29. It's legally meaningless but P/R dynamite.

They're an opportunity to show pictures to the illiterate ... images instead of all that complicated stuff that people don't follow. People look at puctures and (maybe) read headlines. That's what forms their impressions, not the "fine print" of an articlae and certinaly not the legal ducments. Hell, 57% can't even name a Supreme Court Justice ... but they know Monica Lewinsky's name and remember the rope line photo of Bubba reaching around her. That rope lone photo ran thousands of times - legally meaningless but huge P/R.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Agreed. Rove probably released the photos to get this off the table. nt

[OldLeftieLawyer]

34. Yeah, but,

has anyone actually SEEN these photos?

Wanna bet the story's all smoke and no fire?

And, I'll bet you're right - that Rove threw the story out there and the M$M lunged for it like a starving dog at a standing rib roast.

[ThoughtCriminal]

4. Just a guess

Somebody else who is in the same pictures.

[Imalittleteapot]

7. Who cares?

Every time we catch him in a lie -- no one notices, which is greatly assisted by MSM. I don't see anyone with a brain actually believing that Bush doesn't know Abramoff. But there are plenty of people that don't care.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

13. I agree

The whole country doesn't care, and they won't until serious indictments are handed down.

Until then, this picture thing is a bad joke, and we're too smart to waste time or energy on it.

[C_U_L8R]

8. It's probably.... Jack

and the reason we haven't seen em yet
is because he's holding out for a price.

Follow the money.

[EFerrari]

28. Of course it is. Who else would gain?

OLL is right.

Don't let yourself be distracted by bright shiney things. We can take these guys if we keep our focus.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

37. Hey, you .............

Let's get out our black leather jackets and really cool boots and start a gang.

There's an Irisher who wants to join, too.

We'd clean it up in a matter of hours.

;)

[EFerrari]

40. I'm in. Nobody steps on the Constitution in my town.

:smoke:

[Catherine Vincent]

14. My guess is the photographer that snapped the photos or

the company that employs the photographer. I also want to say that apparently Time has printed the photo in their magazine some years ago...probably during Bush's transition times say 2000/2001. If anyone subscribed to Time and still have all their magazines from back then, should be checking them right now. It's too bad it wasn't Newsweek because I still have all my late 90's early 2000 copies.

[PretzelWarrior]

17. Lyndie England. SHe's got photos of EVERYTHING

buwahaha. Or maybe it's Linda Tripp.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

38. The guy who knocked up Lyddie England,

and who is now doing ten years in Leavenworth got married AGAIN, to another prison guard from Abu Ghraib.

What is WRONG with these women?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/22/AR2006012200928_pf.html

[Scout1071]

18. I think Abramoff is shopping them around to the highest bidder.

That's my gut instinct right now.

[Ksec]

26. Time is on these pics also

From the Magazine | Nation
When George Met Jack
White House aides deny the President knew lobbyist Abramoff, but unpublished photos shown to TIME suggest there's more to the story
By ADAM ZAGORIN, MIKE ALLEN
SUBSCRIBE TO TIMEPRINTE-MAILMORE BY AUTHOR
Posted Sunday, Jan. 22, 2006
As details poured out about the illegal and unseemly activities of Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff, White House officials sought to portray the scandal as a Capitol Hill affair with little relevance to them. Peppered for days with questions about Abramoff's visits to the White House, press secretary Scott McClellan said the now disgraced lobbyist had attended two huge holiday receptions and a few "staff-level meetings" that were not worth describing further. "The President does not know him, nor does the President recall ever meeting him," McClellan said.

The President's memory may soon be unhappily refreshed. TIME has seen five photographs of Abramoff and the President that suggest a level of contact between them that Bush's aides have downplayed. While TIME's source refused to provide the pictures for publication, they are likely to see the light of day eventually because celebrity tabloids are on the prowl for them. And that has been a fear of the Bush team's for the past several months: that a picture of the President with the admitted felon could become the iconic image of direct presidential involvement in a burgeoning corruption scandal like the shots of President Bill Clinton at White House coffees for campaign contributors in the mid-1990s.

[dave29]

35. Karl Rove?

He's got a red herring up every oriface.

[elehhhhna]

39. Some scwewed-over american Indians (who paid 25K for a meeting)

might be a great place to start...