The sad state of affairs in the U.S. Is it Monica Lewinsky's fault?

[Jara sang]

Gore certainly would have gotten enough votes if it were not for the Lewinsky debacle.

[Tesha]

1. No, Clinton's for taking advantage of what Lewinsky was offering.

A classic error between a supervisor and the one being supervised.
He certainly should have known better, but was a man of large
appetites and limited personal control.

Tesha

[BattyDem]

2. Um ... Gore DID get enough votes ...

but the Bush brothers and Diebold stole them! :grr:

[Jara sang]

8. Indeed, despite winning the popular vote

you need to have extra, over the top votes to beat the lying cheating swindlers of Bushco.

[AGENDA21]

3. Nope..I blame voting machines.

[Cleita]

4. No it wouldn't have changed anything.

If there had been no Monicagate, there would have been something else. The people who framed Monica and Bill were determined to get Clinton one way or the other. They would have found something else to smear him with.

I think Gore didn't do himself a favor by not including Bill Clinton in his campaign, but I really don't know whom to blame him or Donna Brazile for giving him bad advice.

[Vinca]

5. Gore DID get enough votes. nt

[napi21]

6. I doubt it.. I think the public gets tired of one Party in the Presidency

after 8 years, and it's VERY VERY difficult for that same Party to keep the WH.

Sure, Monica contributed to that "tired" feeling, but I doubt there would have been much of a different outcome.

[Surya Gayatri]

7. If there hadn't been Monicagate

they would've found something else. Have a thought for poor ML whose name will go down in infamy--she was just a young, silly star-struck kid at the time. That's a lot of opprobrium on the shoulders of a 22/23 year-old. SG

[Jara sang]

9. No can do, somebody who has that kind of access

needs to be more responsible.

[Surya Gayatri]

15. Don't know how old you are,

but I remember how "responsible" I was about matters of the heart when I was 22. :eyes: SG

[BlueCaliDem]

10. Nope. Voting machines and the Corporate Right-Wing Media's fault. n/t

[0007]

11. Monica was a good girl. A healthy girl. Monica was a normal girl.

The problem was is that she knew what she wanted. And the big dog...well, the rest is history. I guess the moral of the story is ya never look back.

It was proved that Gore had more votes than junior. Was that Monica's fault?

Unequivocally, Fuck no!

[aquart]

12. What an unbelievably ridiculous question.

Troll-like, in fact.

Is this Infiltration Sunday?

[democracyindanger]

13. No, it's the NYT's, WaPo's, et al. fault.

Lewinsky, the theft of 2000, the illegal invasion of Iraq, outing of a CIA agent who specialized in WMD. The wingnuts are evil, but the 'press' are a bunch of shallow, selfish, self-important, self-aggrandizing, petty bastards who were supposed to tell the truth.

[BillZBubb]

14. NO! It's the sheeple's fault.

Enough of them bought the Repug and media lies that Bush was a moderate. Enough bought the lies that it didn't matter who the president was, that the economy would keep doing OK. Too many bought it all.

Of course, Gore DID GET MORE VOTES!

[Burried News]

16. George Bush is the Clinton Legacy.

Without Whiewater and Monica, Gore would have gotten elected.

However, Gore would not have been effective with a Senate and House dominated by the GOP. AND subsequent events have shown that Hillary was right in one regard - there is a vast right wing conspiracy.

All in all we need to learn and move on AND to figure out how to capture the center.

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[Jara sang]

19. What are you doing out of The Lounge?

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[pitohui]

18. she still alive?

i don't see how monica can possibly be to blame for * stealing gore's seat, a gore presidency wouldn't have happened if everyone in the country voted gore, it was never gonna happen, we have witnessed a classic bloodless coup in our country & it's silly to pretend it was anything otherwise

gore was unwilling to start a civil war over this, and i don't blame him, we have the advantage of hindsight, perhaps if he had a peek into the future and knew abt 9-11, enron, katrina etc. he might have made a different decision

but it is not given to any of us to know the future