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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:03 PM
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57 out of 80 threads on GD first page.
That's how occupied we are with this Path to 9-11 thing. Just by a quick count.

While I'm not criticizing anybody or anything, I'd just like to take an opportunity to remind everybody there's an election coming up.

And I'm wondering, if I were Karl Rove, what would I do? I mean, I've got this guy who's an absolute mess, he's an embarassment to his party and country. Anything he says and does puts the GOP behind another 5 points. So what to do? Why, put the other guys on the defensive. Criticize a politician who's been out of office for six years, and they'll be so upset that they'll forget about the election. That's what I'd be doing if I were Rove.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:03 PM
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1. I doubt anyone has forgotten...
Most DUer's can walk and chew gum at the same time :)
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:05 PM
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2. And maybe, what we should do
is not forget about the election while fighting the lie. Maybe what we should do is point out how this is just another case of how rightwingers are spoiled little children that can't take responsibility for anything they do, and have to blame everyone else for their own mistakes.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:05 PM
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3. I can multitask.
Edited on Thu Sep-07-06 02:06 PM by sparosnare
Don't worry, I can spend some time today sending emails and making calls about this film, and I also can make calls to Congress about the torture legislation Bush wants pushed through, among other things.

No forgetting about the election.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:05 PM
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4. You might beright
I would think they would push it back a little bit - but it certainly does fit into the pageant of vote republican or terrorists will eat your babies they are running. In that sense it's worth answering. If it is part of their efforts to paint Democrats as untrustworthy - - well should we answer those charges?

Oh and is this 58?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:06 PM
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5. I think it is great
that the nation is having a discussion about the truth concerning the Clinton and Bush2 administrations in terms of national security. I think it is the exact opposite of what Karl Rove wants.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:21 PM
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19. I agree with you whole heartedly
It also has the potential to wake people up the fact that just because it's on TV doesn't mean it's true. The ramifications of that also, being the exact opposite of what Karl Rove would want.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:00 PM
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20. Exactly.
A program can have fictionalized scenes, without being dishonest. This flick is dishonest. It is no better than a film that has a scene blaming Clinton for Pearl Harbor, or one that claimed Forest Gump was actually president on 9/11.

The American public is waking up to the fact that the corporate media is purposely distorting the truth, because they have an agenda to promote. The ABC/Disney film needs to be exposed for what it is: a subliminal ad trying to sell fear. The public isn't buying it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:59 PM
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33. Because of our focus, Scholatic has now DROPPED the bullshit
... So to hell with people who say we shouldn't be focussed.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:07 PM
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6. But now, anyone who was "persuadable" . . .
Will watch this thing knowing that its accuracy is (to say the least) highly contested. All the brouhaha has, to some degree, innoculated the audience.

And it'll all go poof! on Monday (football season's starting, after all).

Leaving Republickers whining and waving their arms with "it's all Bill Clinton's fault." Making them look more ridiculous than ever.

Outside of the unpersuadable base, I think this thing's going to backfire.
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IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:07 PM
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7. And 300 posts in LBNs on an airplane from a foreign country n/t
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Human Torch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:07 PM
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8. I'll bet Rove's favorite song is "Cinnamon Girl"...
...and that bitchin' solo...ONE note, played OVER and OVER and OVER and OVER again...

No offense to Neil Young fans...I happen to be one. I'm just sayin'...ya know?

:evilgrin:
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:09 PM
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9. I think there is a very good reason why 57 of 80 threads pertain to
the ABC "docudrama".

Right now, this film is looming as the biggest threat to the electoral chances of the Democrats this November. Also, it is an absolute outrage.

Democrats have to prevent the terrible damage that this film could cause, and I love the way that many of them are fighting this. Hopefully they may even be able to take this stinking mess and make a plus out of it. This absolutely MUST be exposed.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:11 PM
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11. ...
"Right now, this film is looming as the biggest threat to the electoral chances of the Democrats this November. Also, it is an absolute outrage."

Oh, I disagree with that.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:52 PM
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31. Why? And which part do you disagree with?
Terrorism has consistently been the only topic on which Republicans outpoll Democrats over the last couple of years.

There are a lot of very gullible people in this country, who will believe something just because they see it on TV. I've heard a number of otherwise intelligent people make comments that indicate that they think they learn something when they see a so-called "docudrama". And it wouldn't take very much. If this film causes 2% of the population to change their vote, that will make a huge difference in the composition of Congress next year.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:20 PM
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34. Well, that's the thing, isn't it?
Terrorism.

The Bush administration is giving Indiana money to protect petting zoos from terrorists instead of New York, because New York doesn't have any monuments. So in other words, Bush is playing politics instead of fighting terrorism. So why isn't that our main focus instead of a TV movie?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:09 PM
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10. i can mulittask. This is important
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:12 PM
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12. Not to mention...
This disinformation is purposely timed to help struggling Republicans in this election. I see them clearly related. Stopping this propaganda in it's tracks prevents our children from being brainwashed and stops them from having a two day prime time infomercial on the values of neoconservatism and the incapability of Democrats to lead.

Clearly this is an election topic.

Rp
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:14 PM
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13. Considering this film is an attempt to throw the election, I think it
merits a little extra attention.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:14 PM
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14. The election IS the reason for the timing of this POS airing
The Rove machine knows that the sheeple believe everything the tube shows them and that they'll ignore the ineffective disclaimer.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:15 PM
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15. Absolutely an attempt to lie their way back in to the sheeple.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:28 PM
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28. bingo
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:17 PM
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16. propaganda must be addressed immediately, completely and loudly
That is the ONLY way to deal with it. To ignore it, assuming others will figure it out only contributes to the problem.

besides, like others have said, I can mutlitask.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:05 PM
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24. Yup
That's how the Swift Boat liars hurt Kerry.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:17 PM
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17. Anyone notice the "Was it Clinton's fault?" line from the media??
I don't recall any questions as to whether Reagan really did have some sort of responsibility for the massive AIDS epidemic, when "The Reagans" controversy flared up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Reagans

"They that live in sin shall die in sin." --Ronald Reagan, "The Reagans," the main point of controversy.
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 02:18 PM
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18. The purpose of the film is to influence the election (against dems, duh)
and to brainwash our youth

This is the straw that broke the camels back and people are furious.

How can you be upset that people are taking action??????
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:03 PM
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21. Seems to me this docu-craparama is important for the election
All they have is national security and terra, terra, terra! If we let the lies in this thing go unchallenged, it helps them in the election.
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Change has come Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:05 PM
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22. This story is also dominating the DU front page.
Apparently the Admins think it's important.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:05 PM
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23. This is about the election
why do you think they are doing this? And it isn't just about '06 it's about '08 too. How old are these high school kids going to be when the '08 election hits? They will be voters then, at least some of them.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:07 PM
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25. There is an election coming up - AND....
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:23 PM
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26. IMHO reminding people of 9-11...
is a good thing for Democrats in the run-up to the election. Bush and bin Laden have milked that cow once too often. Just ask Tony the Toodle.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:28 PM
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27. That's why ABC is putting out the show now.
Ergo, we must say sumpin' about it, otherwise the pukes can blame the DEMs.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:31 PM
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29. You should have been here the day Mallory got fired.
Edited on Thu Sep-07-06 03:32 PM by LostInAnomie
I hid 75 threads and could barely make a dent.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:48 PM
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30. Wow
We were idiots to focus on this ploy to influence the election when... there's an election coming up!

In other words:

:wtf:
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 03:56 PM
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32. So you started thread 58...
Edited on Thu Sep-07-06 03:56 PM by haruka3_2000
:thumbsup:

You could have been working on those elections instead of counting threads. ;)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 04:20 PM
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35. 81
This one's about the election. ;-)
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