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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:06 AM
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The answers to many of our questions can be found in the movie "V"
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 08:08 AM by Philosoraptor
V for Vendetta, the much hyped futuristic look at the bleak futures of England and America under the current trends, is all it is made out to be and more. I've read the hype, and I finally viewed it, and my mind is blown.

Is this movie bold or what? Does it lay it down in the dirt like no other movie? Or am I being too easy on it? Is it just an overblown "Batman" on acid?

The fictional main character answers many of the questions I see posted here often, and wheather I like to admit it or right, the movie made a lot of sense, especially the comparisons with bushco and the neo cons.

I highly recommend it for those who haven't checked it out yet, its not the new liberal bible by any means, but it does address many of the greatest threats to the world posed by fascism left unfettered.

I believe it deserves at least as much praise and perusal DU gave Michael Moore's political film F9-11. Its entertaining and artistic, simple, yet deep at the same time. I suggest it as a learning tool for our cause, not for it's violence, but for it's message, we should not fear our government, it should fear we, the people.
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MissMillie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:10 AM
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1. I watched it last weekend.
and marvelled at some of the parallels to today. The whole politics of fear campaign: the offer-up-your-liberties-so-we-can protect-you mentality. Scary shit.

Enjoyable film.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:37 AM
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14. Even more to marvel at,
wasn't the graphic novel written in the late 80s? Some outstanding prognostication going on there.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:29 AM
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34. It was written by a Brit under Thatcher's rule
Bush** is Thatcher on testosterone therapy and quaaludes.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:10 AM
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2. I'd recommend the Graphic Novel over the Film
More unsettling and deeper. V for Vendetta is a much simplified version. It is my opinion that they essentially castrated the character of V in order to make him more simple and heroic.

The movie is good though and inspiring in a way.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:11 AM
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3. I just saw it this summer and was blown away as well. n/t
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QuettaKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:11 AM
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4. the movie ROCKS in so many ways.
Edited on Tue Sep-05-06 08:12 AM by QuettaKid
and you're right it does make it plain for any who has eyes to see....PLUS, you can't go wrong in a movie with Natalie Portman looking all kinds of yummy in the little miss innocent outift. but I digress...:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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Pawel K Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:17 AM
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5. I had no idea, it looks like just another dumb movie
I wasn't going to see. Thanks, I will check it out this weekend.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:18 AM
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6. Bullocks!
That's what we need to learn to say. We need to have more people wake up and understand that we don't have to swallow the BS.

Great movie. We sat stunned for a while.

Loved the Stones tune over the closing credits.
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:58 AM
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9. I viewed it 3 times at the theater. Matinees, I'm cheap
It is the only movie I have seen more than once at the box office, though I am not a big movie goer.

At the first viewing, I was very impressed but didn't get that lump in my throat until the Stones tune at the end.

Subsequent viewings, having the benefit of knowing the plotline, tended to be more moving than the first. I now watch it on DVD and will get the graphic novel sometime.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 12:47 PM
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19. The Stones made it real
Since that song is already part of my head. The Stones, and rock 'n roll, are prophetic.

I waited for Netflix to get it, then daughter, boyfriend and I watched it together. I will buy the DVD now.
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:58 PM
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21. The word is "bollocks"...
...and I don't wish to rag on the movie, but if you haven't read the original comic book, please, PLEASE go and do so. The movie is a fun vehicle to take some of the book's message to the movie-going public, but the comic book itself is (ironically, some might say) for grown-ups.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 06:10 PM
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31. Thanks for the spell check
I have read the graphic novel and I think the movie would reach more people and you can't make a movie long enough to contain all that's in the book. Some people can't sit still to read anything at all. For those who read, yes, I can say without reservation that I always, always, always prefer the book to the movie.
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kiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 06:42 AM
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37. Hey, it's only a comic book...
...it's got pretty pictures. :)

Actually, V is about as challenging to read in terms of use of the medium as a comic book gets... no sound effects, no whizz marks, just a series of very artfully rendered images. You really need to pay attention to the drawings, rather than skimming over them.
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:27 AM
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7. Oh, I thought you were talking about the series "V" - you know,
where the government is essentially run by these reptilians who eat mice and rats.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:06 AM
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11. That sounds like the government we have now!!!
Swamp Rat has some good lizard/reptilian pictures of this admin....
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:03 PM
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23. Loved that series...
I did finally get around to buying V for Vendetta. Hope to watch it tonight after kids are in bed.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 08:50 AM
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8. Thought the ending was a bit too happy for the tone of the movie
Other than the explosion. Oddly enough, I just watched it this weekend too.
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dharmabum65 Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:04 AM
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10. Very Powerful Film
This movie visceraly depicts just exacly where all of this fear,fascism and religious fundamentalism is leading us!Hopefuly enough people will wake up in time to stop these evil scum from destroying our country and the rest of the world!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:29 AM
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12. V for Vendetta is currently my favorite movie.
I have watched it at least 6 times now and it will remain one of my all time favorites. It is a powerful and stirring movie that is also entertaining.
It has many messages, particularly how a nation may degenerate into what Britain had become in the movie and a clear warning to us. I loved the ending and was put to mind in one sense of the ending of The Return of the King at the final battle scene after the ring had been destroyed. For those who have not yet watched V for Vendetta, I highly recommend seeing it and more than once.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:37 AM
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13. We saw it the night before last
>I've read the hype, and I finally viewed it, and my mind is blown.<

What an amazing, amazing movie.

Julie
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AusTexDem Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:42 AM
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15. for a sec i thought u meant the tv series V.
Plot Outline: A year after Liberation Day, courtesy of the red-dust bacteria, the humanoid, lizard-like aliens develop a resistance to the micro-organism and try to regain control of the Earth--only now some humans are knowingly working with them.

actually that may be it after all.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086822/
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:44 AM
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16. Rented it this week.. and really lays it all out - but -
Would the people truly be inspired enough to take to the streets? Or would they stay home and drink beer, like our current situation.

But damn, that movie certainly provides the answer to tyranny.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:01 PM
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22. V gave them incentive to hit the streets with the distribution
of the masks. It was one of the more brilliant ploys in the film.
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 09:55 AM
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17. I just watched it for the first time last night--
I was amazed! I know the story dates to the 80's, but it seemed absolutely tailored to our current situation. I also realized how frightening it is that we now live in a world that is so near the tipping point. I am a little squeamish with blood, so I found some of the scenes, especially the last fighting scene underground to be too graphic for me, but otherwise I would highly recommend this film.
I was also wondering, since I usually consider myself somewhat of a pacifist--are we now nearing a point where violence might be the last resort?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:31 PM
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30. Violence should ALWAYS be the last resort --
the question is, are we approaching that last resort?

Let's see what Diebold has to say about it in November.

BTW, the 5th of November is a Sunday - election day would be the 7th, this year.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 10:15 AM
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18. The *True* message of V is not the Government should fear
the people but, the People do not require Government...
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 01:55 PM
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20. V
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:03 PM
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24. V ROCKS and is the MUST SEE movie of the year!
Especially if you really want to understand what the U.S. government has in store for all of us...

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:05 PM
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25. it has a grim lesson to be heeded, like 1984
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:22 PM
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26. Are kids in school even reading 1984 or Animal Farm these days?
I remember reading both when I was in school and they had a huge impact on me.

I'd bet that Kids these days are probably not required to read either book in school. Instead they should be getting their "Path to 9/11" propaganda laden reading packets from Scholastic Books and Bush Co any day now....

The reality of "V" gets closer and closer every day. :scared:
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:25 PM
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27. Don't know, I read them when I was 12 or 13 back in the sixties.
And I too was deeply effected by them, that and the study of the Hitler years, and a steady diet of Twighlight Zone shaped me for life.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 03:00 PM
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29. Sounds like we were shaped by the same things.
I read Orwell in the 70s and learned a lot about Nazi Germany through my love of reading-mainly novels and some history/biographies-where many of the books were set in that time and place. And I LOVE the Twilight Zone! :)
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:40 AM
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40. We're there already. Look at how many people believe Saddam
is responsible for 911 as one example. I think we're about one more 911-style incident from invading Iran.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 10:57 AM
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43. I love it that they got John (Winston) Hurt
to be in it.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 02:51 PM
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28. FUCK 'path to 9-11... V FOR FUCKING VENDETTA
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-05-06 10:57 PM
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32. V...
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:23 AM
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33. ..........V.......
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:36 AM
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35. Many reviewers misinterpreted V
as a hero. He was a monster as he himself realized at the end. The message of the movie is that violence begets violence.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 05:38 AM
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36. violence begets violence
V is coming sadly enough, can't be stopped.
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:03 AM
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38. V
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Finder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 09:22 AM
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39. I disagree with what you think the message was...n/t
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 10:31 AM
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41. Alan Moore is Very clear on that point
He left it to the readers of his Novel to determine is V a hero, a terrorist, a madman, or is he right?

V is most likely psychotic but then so is the world.

But the message is not Violence begets Violence, the message is take control of your own destiny, throw off the shackles...
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meldroc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 11:18 AM
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53. Even in the movie, V did some very unheroic things.
V is actually somewhat psychotic. He did the mask ruse in the TV control room, which got an innocent schmuck shot, he murdered a whole bunch of people (granted, they deserved it,) he destroyed several monuments, and he tortured Evey, tricking her into thinking she was captured by Creedy's fingerman, black-bagged.

In the graphic novel, he commits quite a few more acts that aren't very nice... The novel goes into V's politics a bit more (in the movie, he's just a revolutionary against fascism, in the novel, he's a full blown anarchist.)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 10:56 AM
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42. Watch and listen closely
to the things on the peripheral of any scene. It's the quick little nods to what is happening to the US that makes this film really hit home <SPOILERS>>>>>>>>>>> At one point they speak of the civil war that has broken out in and devestated the US and you also see a flag with "Coalition of the Willing" printed across a swastika. There are a lot of little prophetic nods like that and the lead villian is a psycho religius zealot that Bush would be proud of.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:00 AM
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44. There was an earlier thread about this film
suggesting a number of people pull the whole "protest in masks" thing except use Uncle Sam masks on the sunday before election day. I'm still waiting for someone to agree to meet me in Albany to represent for NY.
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:11 AM
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45. My partner and I watched it the other night.
He's not nearly so political, so I was shocked when he said he LOVED it. He's commented on it several times since then. It really made an impact on him.

I very much liked it too - especially the scenes where V takes over the airwaves and delivers those speeches. Wouldn't that be great or what?
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:17 AM
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48. The media takeover
would be the necessary first step in any revolution. Without getting the message to a mass audience you are just terrorists. A "Declaration" so to speak is necessary.
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E-Z-B Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:15 AM
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46. lol, I thought you meant the 80s movie with the lizards
where the lizards control the U.S. media to make them look like the best thing to happen to America. But then again, that movie applies here as well.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:17 AM
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47. Remember, remember the 5th of November . . .
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-06-06 11:58 AM
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49. guy fawkes
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 05:29 AM
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50. V for vendatta
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 06:01 AM
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51. You are no longer my justice. You are HIS justice.


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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-07-06 10:24 AM
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52. kik
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:48 AM
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54. V
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:07 AM
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55. There's a lot to get you thinking in this film
The dominoes for symbology. I think V realized the one that didn't fall, which he removed and later placed on the switchbox on the train, represented him. He knew there was no place for him now that he'd set a new path in motion. His way was violence to answer violence and it was time for peace and rebuilding.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 05:04 AM
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56. Ok, you've convinced me.
I will watch it when I can buy a used DVD of it.


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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 02:12 AM
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57. Now I know what to get you for Christmas!
:hi:
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