DU Folding@Home Thread #5 - Gaining on the freepers

[Mabus]

and doing important medical research at the same time. Imagine beating the freepers, doing medical research and letting your computer do it all for you? How's that for an offer you can't refuse? How? All you need to do is join Team # 48157, Democratic Underground's own Folding@Home Team!

Join the Team here: http://folding.stanford.edu


Since ny_liberal sounded the first call on December 22, 2005, 107 DUers have donated the spare computing cycles of 151 CPUs to the cause. We started out small; our ranking was around the 17,000 mark out of over 40,000 teams.

Today, we're firmly entrenched in the Top 2000 Teams and going for the top 1500!

Date of last work unit 2006-01-21 13:26:34
Active CPUs within 50 days 151
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 127781 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1129 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1610 of 42311

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=48157

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

Our DU CPUs are busily simulating the folding of proteins to support medical research into diseases and disorders that kill, cripple, and impair human life. Help the work...help find cures!

Every PC has spare computing cycles to contribute to the effort. The program is small and runs in background, can be paused at any time, or closed entirely if your workload or hobbies require more CPU resources. There's even an interesting graphic to let you watch the simulation in progress. Old PCs, Slow PCs, Spare PCs lying around that can be attached to your home network all help the cause. The race may go to the swift, but slow and steady racks up points, too!

Mac and Linux clients are available, also.

You can have fun catching Freepers along the way. It's a great fringe benefit to joining Team DU. :)

The Freeper team stands in the top 500 -- let's knock 'em off that pedestal they're sneering down on us from; what do you say, DU?

Join the Team here: http://folding.stanford.edu


If you've already joined the team, there's still more you can do. Send out the call to your progressive friends and family; get them to join our team!

C'mon, DUers! More CPUs!!!


Links to prior threads:
Original Thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=753&mesg_id=753
Thread #2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=38723&mesg_id=38723
Thread #3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=120440&mesg_id=120440
Thread #4: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=164110&mesg_id=164110

edited to correct thread number. :blush:

[strategery blunder]

1. I'll join the ranks of active DU CPUs sometime next week

I started the evening of the 18th; I've had my lappy running FAH 24/7 ever since. I think it gave me the biggest protein it could find; I'm running a 2.4 GHz P4, and the program tells me I've folded 340 frames out of a thousand!

So know that I'm here, though I won't have an "official" presence at FAH until the second half of next week.:hi:

[Innocent Smith]

3. Team id

Do you know the Freeper team id?

[strategery blunder]

4. I think it was floating around somewhere in the fourth thread...

I'll see if I can't find it.

Edit: 36120.

freeper FAH page

[tiptoe]

7. here

Team # 36120

Freeper team

[Roland99]

5. Rock on! BTW, is that P4 an HT chip? If so, you can run TWO processes.

Any HyperThreading-enabled P4 can run TWO processes of F@H. Just setup a 2nd directory and when prompted, specify a different value for the "machine id" or "process id" (forget which one it is).

[strategery blunder]

6. Fudge, I dunno.

I'm inclined to say I didn't get HT because of the price difference (I was but a college freshman).

I can say it's a 2.4 GHz P4.

[mcscajun]

144. Turns out it's not such a great idea to go for the HT use on the FAH

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=204219&mesg_id=216653http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=204219&mesg_id=216653

[kliljedahl]

12. I've had two that had over 20, 000

most have been about 500. Just finished the second 20,000er this afternoon.

On edit: just starting the 14th, it's also 20,000, will be done Tuesday.



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[TimeChaser]

16. My first was a 20,000 one

[kliljedahl]

17. You'd think they'd be worth more than they are, but they're not.

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:
:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:



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[Mutley]

74. My first is a 20,000 also.

Been working on it for days. :crazy:

[mcscajun]

37. Don't feel too bad about 340/1000

My Dell Desktop has been crunching for the last couple of days on a biggie...frame count right now stands at: 17200/20000. It's supposed to finish sometime late tomorrow afternoon.

:) Hope my next one's a 500 frame job. :)

[mcscajun]

46. I was wrong...my biggie is set to complete in the wee hours of Sunday...

...not Sunday afternoon.

:woohoo:

[strategery blunder]

48. How the hell did you get it so fast?

My computer isn't that old.:P

[mcscajun]

50. Get it so fast? It's been running for more than two days now.

or is it three? I can't quite recall... :)

My "frame rate" at the moment is 8.4s/frame. Sometimes they're bigger, and the frame rate is in minutes. It's all a big crapshoot as to how long these things take.

[strategery blunder]

54. Your computer is still running this about twenty times faster than mine.

You=17200 frames in a couple of days
Me=375 frames in the same time period

You=8.4 s/frame
Me:10-15 min/frame

Jeez...my computer's not that slow, there must be something in the configuration or something...

Or maybe I just got a WU with really big frames. Though I can't imagine there would be that much difference in the frames themselves as far as time requirements go.

[craychek]

57. how many frames you have to do doesn't make a difference

Each protein is radically different and some are simple and others are complex. The more complex ones take more time per frame than the less complex ones. I've had a 3000 frame one take under a day while I've had a 400 frame one take over a week. It just depends on the protein as far as frames per hour are concerned

[strategery blunder]

59. OK. It would have taken me a month or so to figure this out on my own.

Good night.:)

[Roxy66]

94. Mine is 400....and I have been running it since last night....now 33/400

[mcscajun]

60. I've hit as high as 7mNs per frame...that I KNOW of...I don't watch them

all or all that often, unless and until there's a discussion like this.
Last night, my 20000 frame job finished, it's late frame rate was that 8.4s you mentioned.
This morning, I've got a 250 frame job running, at 2m7s per frame.

:shrug:

[Roxy66]

93. How can I speed up my frames per second? Folding

[mcscajun]

110. I don't know that you can. Some proteins are more complex than

others and the whole thing is a crapshoot as far as I know.

You can, according to some posters here, run F@H as a service rather than the graphical client (which is what many, including me, run) and that apparently runs leaner and quicker. I don't know how, or indeed, if that impacts the frame rate.

[kliljedahl]

2. Just finished my 13th

All for a good cause, get with the program folks.



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[FARAFIELD]

8. answer me this

I dont get it what is this all about? in plain language. Thanks!

[strategery blunder]

9. Basically, you get to do biomedical research on your computer.

No special expertise required--you just need to know how to install a program downloaded off of the internet.

Said program (Folding at Home) is basically a computer model to simulate how proteins manipulate themselves within the body, in a process called "folding." It's kind of like a new version of the Human Genome Project to map this process, a project that could potentially lead to yummy things like new cancer treatments, new treatments for Alzheimers, et cetera.

Or at least that's the way I understand it.:)

[kliljedahl]

14. What he said, also:

Instead of one extemely expensive super computer running this program, it's thousands of home computers.


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[mike_c]

47. a couple of definitions might help....

Protein folding: proteins are chains of amino acids, in one sense like a string of beads, but without the string-- they stick together by chemical bonds. Each "bead" is an amino acid molecule, so each has it's own internal structure, and it has atoms sticking out from the core of the molecule as well as areas with different electrical charges. These charged regions allow the amino acid molecules to interact with other amino acids in the chain (more properly, the polymer). Opposite charges attract, while like charges repel one another. Imagine a long chain of small magnetic beads-- when you release the chain, individual magnets attract or repel one another, causing the string of magnetic beads to "fold" itself into a ball. Real proteins do exactly this, but in a much more complex fashion-- it's more complex because the distribution of electrical charges on the constituent amino acids is not uniform-- in fact, it's quite complex, and since proteins can be composed of twenty-one (plus) different amino acids in ANY order, combination, or polymer length, the number of potential interactions within a given protein is immense. Really big.

The shape that the folded protein achieves is its tertiary structure. Its function in the body is highly dependent upon its specific tertiary structure. As it functions, the tertiary structure often changes, again in very specific ways.

Distributed computing: since the number of possible interactions between charged regions within even moderate length proteins is immense, equally massive computing resources are necessary to model potential interactions and folding within such "virtual proteins." There are, unfortunately, only a relatively few super-computers up to the task and demand for them is high. An alternative approach is to break the task down into many many smaller parts and give them to many many lesser computers-- like the one on your desktop-- to work on, thus "distributing" the task among many thousands of individual CPUs rather than relying on one or a few supercomputers. That's what the Folding at Home project is all about-- you can donate computing resources by allowing a low priority program to run in the background, working on one of the millions of potential sub-tasks necessary to model the complex internal dynamics of proteins. The goal is to better understand the "rules" that govern protein folding and tertiary structure-- the key to understanding protein function.

[Mabus]

72. Great information on what we're doing and how it works

Very clear and concise. Thanks for the write-up. I know I've been participating since I found ny_liberal's clarion call and have tried to think of a way to explain what we're doing. You did a great job that I can point people to for information. Thanks.

[Maru Kitteh]

80. Thanks! After failing miserably at trying to explain it to my husband

I just printed your post out. Much easier. :thumbsup:

[alfredo]

10. Thanks for starting this thread

Fold on!!!

[f-bush]

11. How do you do this?

[Roland99]

18. Go to the link in the OP and install the software

Myself, I run the Windows command-line version and have it setup as a service (the install process prompts you for that).

Just download the client and run it and put in 48157 for the Team ID when prompted. Typically, using the defaults for the prompts works fine.

[Beelzebud]

13. Done.

Just signed up, and added the DU as my team. :)

This will be running on a 2nd PC in my house, that doesnt' get used a whole lot. So it will be dedicating A LOT of time.

[TimeChaser]

15. I fnished my first WU last night!

And now I'm ranked 75 on the team

[Maru Kitteh]

19. Wahooo! I'm on board!

working on protein p2078 Core 7a. Wait a minute. This protein is effin' HUGE.

WU end Wed 14 March 07? AY CARAMBA.

[Maru Kitteh]

20. There's just gotta be a faster way - 416 days?

I won't even show up on our team for ages this way. :-(

[Roland99]

24. What's your CPU speed?

Not sure what that timeframe is calibrated to but I've not had a WU go more than 2-3 days on my slowest PC (PIII 1.0-M)

[Maru Kitteh]

26. P4 3.4GHz. not shabby. 1 gig RAM

update! my WU has modified. It now says next Tuesday. THAT'S MORE LIKE IT! :woohoo:

[Roland99]

31. There ya go!

[Maru Kitteh]

33. It just gets better, monday now.

when I saw 416 days I was a wee bit depressed, but this is much better.

[Roxy66]

95. O.K....how do I find my CPU speed? Sorry... idiot moment

[Brundle_Fly]

122. in windoZ

you right click on the my computer icon and it should tell you the speed.

mac click the apple logo top right and select about this mac

[Brundle_Fly]

162. second chunk done.

the mac is also chugging on a real biggy, should have another 2 done on the PC before the mac finishes.

[WePurrsevere]

21. Sounds like a SETI type thing, if it helps Alz and Parkinson's I'm in.

Years ago I ran SETI at home on my old computer so I'm sort of familiar with the concept of using others computers to help with research.

I've been thinking of DLing SETI's a again but if this project might help find a cure for Alz, Parkinson's, etc then as a past full time co-caregiver (with my DH) to my now late FIL who had Alz/Dementia and now late MIL who had early Parkinson's I think I'd much rather do something that may help put an end to these awful diseases.

(ps: Just told DH about it and he says he'll DL it and run it on his computer as well.)

[WePurrsevere]

29. DH has it on his computer as well & joined the team as WePurrsevere 2

He's not much into posting on boards but he reads DU and is a member at heart as is my DD (whom I'll suggest signing up for this as soon as she has her computer back online). B-)

[Caoimhe]

35. WELCOME! Thanks so much!

I know it's silly to be proud of doing something that requires no effort, but once you start seeing your work units come in, I bet you'll be addicted to watching the progress like me!

Thanks to you both! HUGE CAT LOVER HERE SO LOVE THE NAME!

[WePurrsevere]

22. Now that I've DLd it how do I sign up for the DU team? I must be missing

where it is. :-(

edited to modify: I *think* I've figured it out... in FAQ area it says: "To join a team, just put the team's number in the configuration panel (on graphical clients) or enter the team number at the first time you run the client (for text console versions)." Once the program is done loading and benchmarking I'll try doing it in the config area. If it doesn't work I'll be back... begging. :-D

[Roland99]

23. When you run the client, it will prompt you for the Team #. Enter: 48157

[WePurrsevere]

25. Good! That makes it much clearer then their FAQ... thank you. :-)

nt

[progressoid]

27. Cool, I'll try to get a spare computer going in the next couple days.

[IDemo]

28. Done. Did the 'SETI' thing on my old PC, this at least has promise n/t

[Sgent]

30. Take a look here

at the papers already publsihed :)


Stanford Folding@Home

[mia]

32. Count me in!

Thanks for the link.:kick:

[Maru Kitteh]

34. cool! Thanks for coming on board.

It's suprisingly....... fun!

[mia]

70. Fun? Yes!

My WU is now 6% finished.

[Caoimhe]

36. WOWIE! Team Ranking: 1591 of 42315 with 152 CPUS!

I am so AMAZED at how these numbers are jumping! KUDOS TEAM DU!!

:yourock:

[mcscajun]

38. WOW! I mean just plain...WOW! I go out for the day and I come back

to this phenomenal participation on our FIFTH Thread for Team DU!

Lots of new team members jumping on board, multiple family members joining, multiple processors being engaged, you gotta Love It!

I'm going to have to look at that hint about the HT capability, 'cause My Dell's got it! :)

Checking the stats now at 10:18, I see....

Date of last work unit:      2006-01-21 19:16:48
Active CPUs within 50 days:      152
Team ID:      48157
Grand Score:      129415
Work Unit Count:      1140
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate):      1591 of 42316

:woohoo: Go, Team DU! :yourock:

[Mabus]

39. There you are

Isn't this incredible! And incredibly addictive.

We keep growing. Part of me is proud to be participating in this research. Part of me is astounded at how fast we have grown. Sure, beating the freepers would be nice but what really feels good is knowing that we are doing something important. It really hit me yesterday when a friend called and told me her husband had been diagnosed with a type of renal cancer. The cancer had already spread throughout his body before it was caught. He's not expected to live much longer. I like to think that by donating spare CPU cycles we may spare someone the horrors of this and other diseases in the future.


C'mon DU, let's try to keep growing and folding.

[Maru Kitteh]

41. How do we find out if we have HT?

Our family has two CPU's working now, will bring another one on board tomorrow. If we could expand on that we'd LOVE to!

[mcscajun]

44. Check this link and look for your system's chipset ID

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/pentium4/index.htm -- Look for "View Processor Number Details"


You can find your chipset ID by going to Start, Control Panel, System, Hardware, Device Manager.

[mcscajun]

119. Turns out it's not such a great idea to go for the HT use on the FAH

client, after all.

See this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=204219&mesg_id=216653

[Craig3410]

40. I just joined!

[Maru Kitteh]

42. YAY CRAIG! And thanks for

helping the animals too. :hug:

[dmr]

43. Just joined

I use to have my pc set up to run w/ SETI a couple years ago, but when I changed my hard drive, I never set it up again.

[mcscajun]

45. Welcome aboard!

SETI's loss is medical research's gain.

:)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

49. ALRIGHT ALREADY! I'M IN

Ya'll talked me into it.

downloaded and working

very cool :)

[mcscajun]

51. Viva Viva!!

:)

[Viva_La_Revolution]

56. looks like...

6am Thursday morning I'll be adding to our score. :)

[Maru Kitteh]

81. sometimes that will come down too, mine started out w/an estimate of

416 days! Now looking like Monday.

[Adelante]

52. I'm in

It's working away doing its folding thing :)

[mcscajun]

61. WTG, WesDem!

Glad to have you on board. :)

[Adelante]

65. Overnight my mac did 20%

Does that sound about right?

Say hi to my protein, p754_vin2.8 :D

[mcscajun]

66. Sounds like it might be a complex protein. 20% overnight ain't bad.

:hi:

[Adelante]

67. Thanks, one more thing

I see new names on the team list since last night, but not mine. Do you have to complete a protein before your name shows?

This is what my report shows right now after working overnight.

WesDem Last updated: Sun Jan 22 04:00:04 PST 2006
Sun Jan 22 12:00:04 UTC 2006

Date of last work unit None
Total score 0
Overall rank (if points are combined) 526699 of 526699
Active processors (within 50 days) 0
Active processors (within 7 days) 0

I just want to be sure it's doing what it's supposed to do.

Thanks, mcscajun :pals:

[mcscajun]

68. You are correct. When your first WU completes, you'll show up

on the stat pages.

:)

[Adelante]

69. OK. all better now

:)

[Beelzebud]

53. heh, just found out the hard way.

Dont' right click and choose quit... You'll lose all the calculations for the work load you were just working on. I just flushed about 5 hours of working down the drain..........

Make sure if you want to use your PC this is running on to just use the X in the top right corner. I really didn't think right-clicking and choosing quit would wipe out what I had been working all night, but it did...

[Mabus]

55. # 1,587 with 153 CPUs with 1,150 WU completed

Date of last work unit 2006-01-21 21:11:52
Active CPUs within 50 days 153
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 130293 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1150 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1587 of 42317

Way to go.

:woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[nedbal]

58. recommended

[mcscajun]

62. Good Sunday Morning, DU Folders! Latest Stats...

Date of last work unit:     : 2006-01-22 04:17:46
Active CPUs within 50 days:     : 155
Team ID:     : 48157
Grand Score:     : 133184
Work Unit Count:     : 1172
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate):     : 1560 of 42320

[mcscajun]

63. Self-delete

wrong location... :shrug:

[mcscajun]

64. A Gentle Reminder to all DU Folders...

Please check your personal stats for Active CPUs within 7 days; if you find it's Zero, then you haven't completed a WU in a week or so. You'll see that there too; Date of Last Work Unit. If you're having a problem running the client, check in here for assistance. Some of our team members are falling away... :(

The only numbers that really count are the Work Unit Counts. Ranking on the team is irrelevant, ranking among teams, equally irrelevant. Work Units Completed are what furthers the scientific/medical research.

If you're in good shape, but you know a DUer personally who's falling away, give 'em a shout and see if they need help. This is a Team Effort. :)

[madeline_con]

71. SECURITY....

if my comp stays online all day while I'm at work ? :shrug:

[Mabus]

75. With f@h, your computer only connects to upload or download new WUs

What about security issues? We have worked very hard to maintain the best security possible with modern computer science methodology. Our software will upload and download data only from our data server here at Stanford. The Cores are also digitally signed (see below) to make sure that you're getting the true Stanford cores and nothing else.

How is this possible? We take extensive measures to check all of the data entering your computer and the results we send back to Stanford with 2048 bit digital signatures. If the signatures don't match (on either the input or the output) the client will throw away the data and start again. This ensures, using the best software security measures developed to date (digital signatures and PKI in version 3.0), that we are keeping the tightest possible security. Finally, the client/screen saver are available for download only from this web site, so that we can guarantee the integrity of the software. We do not support Folding@home software obtained elsewhere and prohibit others to distribute the software.


from: http://folding.stanford.edu/faq.html#misc.security

So, your computer will process the WUs on your computer and only connect when it is done. You can use the configuration options to set it to connect automatically or when you give permission.

[madeline_con]

132. Thanks for the techno- explanation!

:hi:

[Mabus]

140. It's easy when you copy and paste

Got most of it from the website. :hi:

[mcscajun]

143. Self-delete

wrong location...

[Roland99]

88. Do you have a hardware router/firewall or other firewall software?

Most routers have built-in firewalls that will protect your PC against typical and simple attacks. You can also get freebie firewall software (assuming Windows platform) such as ZoneAlarm.

But, as posted above, F@H client won't make your PC any more susceptible to attack.

[mcscajun]

101. Your PC doesn't have to stay online all day, either.

You can shut down the PC and turn it on when you come home if you feel more comfortable that way. You won't get maximum processing, but the FAH client will pick up the WU pretty much where it left off. At most, you'll lose 15 minutes of processed work in the process.

I'll leave mine on overnight while I sleep...it gets LOADS of stuff done while I'm cuttin' ZZZZZzzzz's.

Sometimes I leave it one while I'm work, sometimes I don't. YMMV.

[Mutley]

73. Wow --1550 of 42323.

We're gaining ground really fast! Good work, folks! :thumbsup:

[alfredo]

77. Rank - 1532 CPU's-159

[alfredo]

76. I'm impressed with DU's efforts.

Keep up the good work folks

[Beelzebud]

78. If i turn the PC off will it save the work I've done?

Last night I shut the program down for a bit, and when I restarted it, ALL of the work it had done was lost.

Is there a way to save the work you've already completed? If not, this is kind of a shitty program...

[Mutley]

79. Check your configuration.

I've been shutting mine down every night and I haven't lost my work.

[r0tt3n1]

83. Lost work

The F@H program does auto save every 15 minutes by default. So normally there should be no problem opening and closing the client. There are some wu's that are more sensitive to this issue than others, that dont like to be interupted and `lose` their info after re-opening. This is not a defect in the F@H program, but has more to do with the wu crunhing engine or `core`. The Gromacs `core` used for some of the big wu's can be a real pain. Also, there are some wu's that just screw up from time to time.
Even if a wu ends early, you will still get partial credit for the portion it did finish.

[Roland99]

87. Are you running Windows? Graphic version or the command-line version?

I run the command-line version under Windows (crunches better as there is no graphics overhead) and I have it setup to run as a service so it gets shut down normally when I restart or shutdown the PC. But, fwiw, I just leave all of mine on 24/7.

If you're running the graphical version, perhaps manually closing it out before shutting down?

Also, I set my checkpoints to save every 5 min. instead of the default of 15 min.

[Beelzebud]

99. Thanks for the help guys, i'll give it a try.

Not giving up yet, I was just a little dismayed when I found that 5 hours of work was gone last night.

[dethl]

82. Didn't know DU had a folding group...will add my Dual 2.0 G5 very soon

:D

[dethl]

84. Ok, added!

Dual procs == 2 units at a time :D I hope this helps.

[mcscajun]

102. Does it Help? You Bet Your Sweet Bippy It Helps!

Bravo!

:applause: Glad to have you on board.

[northamericancitizen]

85. Help please

I had the folding system working for the last 2 weeks. Just realised that I am not registered with the DU team. I tried many things to change join our team... nothing's working. please help.

[Roland99]

86. Edit the client.cfg file where your F@H program files are installed

username=<your username>
team=48157
asknet=no
machineid=1
local=6


active=no
host=localhost
port=8080
usereg=no


checkpoint=5





Set the team # in your client.cfg as bolded above.

[northamericancitizen]

90. No success trying.

I opened the cfg file with word pad. Before that I tried opening it with the program itself.

What am I doing wrong.

I already have more than 30 units done and would like to include it in our DU team results.

[Roland99]

91. Oh, you can't change past results, only future ones.

[northamericancitizen]

92. Too bad I can't change the past. lol

Still, my problem is not solved. I did edit the client file. No change. I am still listed with an anonymus team.

[Roland99]

96. If we could change the past, we'd have Pres. Gore! :-)

Anyway, just wait until the next upload. If that doesn't work, delete the folder with the F@H files and reinstall and then enter the team id on the 1st run.

[northamericancitizen]

97. Thank you. nt

[Mutley]

89. We're still gaining, even today! Brilliant!

Date of last work unit 2006-01-22 12:24:21
Active CPUs within 50 days 160
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 137356 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1204 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1522 of 42328
Home Page http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/
Fast Teampage URL http://fah-web.stanford.edu/teamstats/team48157.html

[Caoimhe]

98. Yay we are up to #1517

Date of last work unit 2006-01-22 14:20:12
Active CPUs within 50 days 161
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 138130 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1209 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1517 of 42332
Home Page http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss /
Fast Teampage URL http://fah-web.stanford.edu/teamstats/team48157.html

[Caoimhe]

104. 1509 of 42336! (162 CPUs)

Go Team!

[MrMonk]

100. Completed WU are not uploading to server.

This problem occurs with my Windows 98 client; my Windows 2000 client uploads just fine. Is there something that I can do to fix this?

[mcscajun]

103. This one's beyond me...perhaps someone else in the Team has an

answer, but...

...in the meantime, it might be worthwhile to post your query here:
http://forum.folding-community.org/viewforum.php?f=12&sid=bd8e20bea42b072318553ff4909cb619

[tiptoe]

105. # 1,499 ( 162 CPUs ) -- stats, rankings, charts & signup (Climbing!)

DU Folding@Home Team Members

Active Teams Rank - sorted by # active members (Freepers #37 (187) ...DU #57 (103) Jan 22, 2006 at 18:00 UTC-8)

F@H Stats - Team Radar Screen

Team New Members Daily Histories & History Tables - recent 8-weeks:
Freepers (36120) (leveled off)
Redstate.com (48064) (leveled off)
Daily Kos (48083) (leveled off)
Democratic Undeground (48157) (started 12/23/05) (Climbing!)

Democratic Underground

Date of last work unit 2006-01-22 19:16:35
Active CPUs within 50 days 162
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 140621 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1226 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) # 1,499 of 42336

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[jsamuel]

106. Date of last work unit 2006-01-22 19:16:35 IN TOP 1500 - YAY!

[Mabus]

141. On the active page DU #48, Freepers #37

Posted this elsewhere on this thread but thought there was a better chance if I posted it here.

:toast:

http://fahstats.com/index.php?col=1

Earlier it was
Active Teams Rank - sorted by # active members (Freepers #37 (187) ...DU #57 (103) Jan 22, 2006 at 18:00 UTC-8)
--thanks to tiptoe who posted these numbers at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=204219&mesg_id=212909

[Mutley]

107. We're doing great!

Date of last work unit 2006-01-23 03:17:19
Active CPUs within 50 days 163
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 142261 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1241 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1483 of 42342

My first WU should be done in about 20 minutes! :bounce:

[Mutley]

108. Woohoo! I'm finished!

My second WU is a much more reasonable 3000 frames. :bounce:

[mcscajun]

109. #1,475 at 8:00 AM Monday Morning - 1,249 WUs completed - 164 CPUs

on board and cranking!

Date of last work unit:     : 2006-01-23 04:17:19
Active CPUs within 50 days:     : 164
Team ID:     : 48157
Grand Score:     : 143292
Work Unit Count:     : 1249
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate):     : 1475 of 42343

[Roland99]

111. But we're losing ground to the Freepers...big time

They're producing about 29,000 points/day...4x as much as Team DU.


We need MORE MORE MORE!!!

[mcscajun]

112. That's why these threads keep on rolling....we need to overwhelm

them with a constant stream of new DU Team Members. They've got the head start, we need to get double or even triple their members/CPUs to mount an effective challenge, let alone pull ahead.

[corporate_mike]

113. It's unacceptable to lose to the FREEPers!! ---- More CPUs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[corporate_mike]

127. I think we're ahead in relative terms

See where they were at this point after their team started.

We muct continue to grow, no question about it. But we can and WE WILL pass the FREEPers.

[Roland99]

130. I hope we can keep growing. They still have TWICE as many active users!

We need MORE MORE MORE!!

:D

[corporate_mike]

131. Think positive :)

We WILL pass them :)

No have no other option :)

[mcscajun]

114. More on HyperThreading (using the P4 HT chip to run two FAH processes)

Apparently, it may raise your points but not improve the scientific end much at all; in fact, it may hinder it.

I found this on the Folding-community.org Forum, posted by one of the moderators:

Folks, for many the HT (HyperThreading) issue is one that they just don't understand. While Stanford allows you to run more than one instance of the Folding@Home client on your computer, you are not really helping them if the number of clients you are running is not equal to the number of REAL CPU's you actually have.

While running two instances of the F@H client will return two work units more quickly than doing one at a time, that is not what is important. Returning one work unit 70% faster and starting the next generation of tests on the work unit, is what Stanford wants. Speed in working through each protein generation is very, very important. Sometimes quality is better than quantity. Quality in this case is work being returned more quickly.

While it is well known that an HT CPU can run 2 work units because the OS treats it like two CPU's, and you can gain a possible 15-30 percent increase in points for that computer, it also means that each work unit is returned more slowly. In simple terms, if the project has 300 generations needed to test a theory on a protein model, and running two instances at once delays the return of work for 1 day each time, you end up with a 300 day delay. That translates to about a 10 month delay in examining your data for the final result.

The bottom line is simply this: Run 1 instance for each CPU you have. An HT CPU is not two CPU's, it is one. Let's work to advance the science and spend a little less time worrying about the number of points you get.

This is a direct quote from Dr. Vijay Pande:
1) If you care primarily about points, running 2 procs on HT is still the best bet. We are grateful for all contributions and if people choose to run 2 procs on HT, our approach is that all contributions are welcome.

2) If you care about the science foremost and are interested in our recommendations, then do not run 2 procs on HT, but please just run one process. That won't be best for points, but is best for the science.

3) If your machine cannot make the deadlines, then one should run the timeless WUs.

[mcscajun]

116. More about "Timeless" WUs -- Alert for those with slower PCs

Slower computers or computers which spend only of a fraction of the day on FAH should run with "timeless" or deadlineless work units. These work units are designed to not require a deadline time for return, and thus are well suited to these types of machines. In the GUI (Graphical User Interface to you non-techies) deadlineless WUs can be selected in the config panel. Do not use the -advmethods flag or the bigWU setting with this setting.

[nedbal]

138. I cannot find this "Timeless" WUs switch

I cannot find this "Timeless" WUs switch in my w98 machine with the gui ??? . my other 3 machines running xp and MUCH faster have at least finished wu's. I was considering taking out f@h on this till I checked the deadline and estimate this one should finish within time


readme.txt FILE

- Deadline information included with work (Printed to unitinfo.txt and
available in queueinfo). Active units checked for expiration periodically
all others checked for expiration at autosend time. Configuration option
of ignoring deadline information (to use if system clock is bad -- not just
telling incorrect absolute time, but having an incorrect conception of
what one second is, for instance) if so desired.

If you're system clock is imprecise, you may wish to disable
deadline checking, which causes a work unit to be deleted if you have worked on it
longer than the allotted time.

unitinfo.txt FILE

Current Work Unit
-----------------
Name: p2071_A21_agbnp_amber99
Download time: January 3 04:25:33
Due time: February 19 04:25:33
Progress: 50% <|||||_____>


client.cfg FILE

ignoredeadlines=yes


the clock is always going off on the w98 machine, so I know it does not keep time accurately. Over a month it will be a day slow

[nedbal]

142. it is on my xp client, not the w98 typical slower machines.... duh....

[Brundle_Fly]

115. finished my first chunk

I am now number 99 on the list. whoohoo

[mcscajun]

117. Woohoo!!

Indeed.

:woohoo:

[Mabus]

118. Congrats. Remember quality not quantity

As mscajun points out in the post immediately above yours, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=204219&mesg_id=216653 it is quality not quantity that the researchers areafter.

Participating is enough to further research and that's what the project is really about.

I've got an old machine. It is working slowly but steadily. My ranking in the group won't climb and I'm sure I'll be bypassed by faster machines that are able to do WUs more quickly. I'm in for the long haul.

[Brundle_Fly]

120. nono, I am pretty sure...

bigger is better.

;)

[mcscajun]

121. Wanna bet this is how the Freepers built up their point count?

By shortchanging the future to embellish the present?

[Mabus]

123. Isn't that their MO?

btw, thanks for the info on this issue. I hadn't realized it until you said something. That's one reason why (as you and others have said) that we need more Du'ers on board.

[mcscajun]

124. 3:33 PM -- 167 CPUs, 1276 WUs, Rank: 1438

Keep it goin', DU!

MORE CPUs!!!

[Maru Kitteh]

125. Finished my first WU today! YEAH!

I'm now officially listed on the team at

81 Veganistan 244 1

:party:

[Mabus]

128. Way to go! Congratulations

:woohoo:

[strategery blunder]

134. Woo Hoo!

:bounce::party:

[tiptoe]

126. DU just passed "The Knights Who Say Ni !"

Uhhh...not in score:
32,007,096 Rank 24 The Knights Who Say Ni!
___146,713 Rank 1430 Democratic Underground
:silly:
but in Active Members: ;)
Rank 37, 188, Freepers
Rank 52, 110, Democratic Underground
Rank 53, 108, The Knights Who Say Ni !
See Active Teams Rank at 12:00 UTC-8

DU membership growing Team 48157 Active and New Members History
The Knights Who Say Ni! have leveled off Team 117 Active and New Members History
Freepers have leveled off Team 36120 Active and New Members History

[alfredo]

129. 168 CPU's Rank # 1426

Keep it up

[Mabus]

133. Looks like we might break 1400 soon. Currently 141 (168 CPUs and 1293 WU)

Date of last work unit 2006-01-23 18:21:12
Active CPUs within 50 days 168
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 149726 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1293 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1414 of 42352

[alfredo]

135. We're slowly moving up the list. Great.

I am still working on one hugh WU. I am 59.25% through this on. I've been at it for over a week.

[Mabus]

136. 1,407 with 170 CPUs and 1399 WUs completed!

:applause: :woohoo: :applause:

Date of last work unit 2006-01-23 19:17:49
Active CPUs within 50 days 170
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 150627 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1299 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1407 of 42353

[alfredo]

137. Were Still grow!! That's great.

[Mabus]

139. On the active page DU #48, Freepers #37

http://fahstats.com/index.php?col=1

Earlier it was
Active Teams Rank - sorted by # active members (Freepers #37 (187) ...DU #57 (103) Jan 22, 2006 at 18:00 UTC-8)
--thanks to tiptoe who posted these numbers at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=204219&mesg_id=212909



:applause: :woohoo: :applause:

[corporate_mike]

148. Only 11 teams between us and the FREEPers

[Mabus]

152. Cool, huh?

When you look at their team number (36120) and compare it to ours (48157) I think we've made remarkable strides. They got a head start but we're proving that once we're mobilized and working together we can overcome them.

Shortly after we signed up ny_liberal pointed out that there were 41,815 teams (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=753&mesg_id=779) currently there are 42,365 participating teams. This means in a little over two months only 550 new teams have been created! So, you can see the number of teams creeps up slowly. It also gives you an idea of how big a head start the freepers had and how quickly we've made up ground! :P They had a 12,037 team head start.

Once we've got more team members and CPUs cranking than they do then it is only a matter of time before we leave them in the dust. Not only that, I firmly believe the quality of our work is superior to theirs.

[mcscajun]

150. Active Teams Rank is a function of one thing and one thing only -

Number of Members. We're moving up strictly on the basis of the flood of new members. Even once we pass FR in that metric, and I have no doubt that we will, we'll still have a lot more work to do to pass them on Team Ranking, which is a function of points.

[Mabus]

153. Once we have more team members it is only a matter of time

We've proven over and over again that we are a very patient lot. Slow and steady wins the race but it sure helps when we've got so many enthusiastic people working together. Moreover, we believe in quality medical research.

[mcscajun]

154. Believe me, I'm not saying it won't happen...I'm just saying not to

get prematurely excited over the Active Teams Rank...it just doesn't mean too much yet.

Yet.
:)

[Mabus]

155. I agree wholeheartedly

But (not so secretly) I'm still excited and encouraged by our continued steady growth. :thumbsup:

[alfredo]

156. Our people got to remember to set it to start automatically because

in time they may forget to launch it. I went months forgetting I even had the client. Luckily it lauched automatically when I logged in.

[Roland99]

163. What matters more is the # of CPUs! If they have a higher CPU/user avg

then it will take even longer for us to catch up!

Assimilate your family and friends' PCs!

MORE! MORE! MORE!

[corporate_mike]

165. True -- we MUST and we WILL overtake the FREEPers

. . . long term

They'll give up in a few weeks. Just watch their CPU count drop :)

[mcscajun]

145. Tuesday Morning: 173 CPUs; 1328 WUs Completed; Rank: 1374

We just keep movin' on up!

Date of last work unit:      2006-01-24 05:21:10
Active CPUs within 50 days:      173
Team ID:      48157
Grand Score:      155250
Work Unit Count:      1328
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate):      1374 of 42363

[corporate_mike]

146. 174 CPUs

[Beelzebud]

147. The graphical client keeps freezing my machine up.

I'm going to try out the command line version later today. The computer I ran it on keeps freezing when it's running. That machine never had problems before, so today I'm going to give the command line version a try.

I really think it's a great idea, and I'd love to see DU overtake the Freepers on this thing, so I'm NOT giving up just yet. :)

BTW I got 2 work units completed and uploaded over the weekend, and yesterday. :)

[Roland99]

149. Does it lock up with the screen saver kicks in maybe?

But, anyway, the CL version crunches better and can be setup to run as a service in Windows. Less worries about it. :)

[r0tt3n1]

151. Freeze ups

F@H is very hard on a cpu. It will increase heat build-up quite a bit. One way to counter this is to use the throttling feature of the CLI (in the Windows version). When configuring the CLI, choose yes when asked to 'Change advanced options'. (If the CLI is already started, shut it down then restart with the -configonly flag {e.g. FAH5xxx.exe -configonly} to bring up the configuration again) There is an option for 'CPU usage requested' (again, only in the Windows CLI), set this to 70 maybe or whatever. This will cause the F@H client to only use 70% of the cpu's idle time, therefor reducing cpu usage and heat build-up. Or, as is the case with my PVR machine, throttling is used so the F@H client doesnt interfere with all the transcoding and what-not, yet it still crunches for a good cause.

edit: :thumbsup: Big Congrats to Roland for taking over 1st spot on Team DU! :applause:

[Roland99]

158. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

No applause, just throw money (to buy more PCs to run F@H!) :D


Another thing to combat heat is get a better CPU fan and some Artic Silver between the heatsink and the CPU.

[Beelzebud]

159. Thanks! So far that seems to have worked!

I'll continue running it like this for the rest of today, and if it doesn't crash, I'll just keep it like it is. If it crashes I'll just get the command line version. I really don't want to see those freaks at fr be above the DU on this thing. :D

[corporate_mike]

157. #1,372 (with 175 CPUs)

http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=48157

[Mabus]

160. #1,355 with 176 CPUs and 1353 WUs completed

Date of last work unit 2006-01-24 13:28:02
Active CPUs within 50 days 176
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 157858 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1353 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1355 of 42369

[tiptoe]

166. # 1,346 ( 178 CPUs )

DU Folding@Home Team Members

Active Teams Rank - sorted by # active members (Freepers #36 (187) ...DU #48 (117) Jan 24, 2006 at 15:00 UTC-8)

F@H Stats - Team Radar Screen


Team New Members Daily Histories & History Tables - recent 8-weeks:
Freepers (36120) (leveled off)
Redstate.com (48064) (leveled off)
Daily Kos (48083) (leveled off)
Democratic Undeground (48157) (started 12/23/05) (Climbing!)


Democratic Underground
Date of last work unit 2006-01-24 16:18:44
Active CPUs within 50 days 178
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 159269 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1364 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) # 1,346 of 42371

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[tiptoe]

167. # 1,327 ( 180 CPUs ) - 1381 WUs -- signup & info

Democratic Underground

Date of last work unit 2006-01-24 20:19:39
Active CPUs within 50 days 180
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 162576 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1381 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) # 1,327 of 42373

DU Folding@Home Team Members

Active Teams Rank - sorted by # active members (Freepers #36 (188) ...DU #48 (117) Jan 24, 2006 at 18:00 UTC-8)

F@H Stats - Team Radar Screen


Team New Members Daily Histories & History Tables - recent 8-weeks:
Freepers (36120) (leveled off)
Redstate.com (48064) (leveled off)
Daily Kos (48083) (leveled off)
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[LiberalAndProud]

161. Anybody else having trouble connecting?

My machine has been attempting to get a work packet for a few hours now. Is anybody else having trouble?

[mcscajun]

164. I'm working on a 20,000 frame job. I just checked and it's in progress

You might try rebooting. It certainly couldn't hurt. :)

[mia]

168. Moving up! WU 1400 - Rank# 1308

Date of last work unit 2006-01-25 03:12:27
Active CPUs within 50 days 182
Team Id 48157
Grand Score 165597 (certificate)
Work Unit Count 1400 (certificate)
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate) 1308 of 42374

[mcscajun]

169. Rollin', Rollin', Rollin' -- Rank now 1300 and climbing.

Date of last work unit:      2006-01-25 05:20:38
Active CPUs within 50 days:      183
Team ID:      48157
Grand Score:      166455
Work Unit Count:      1404
Team Ranking (incl. aggregate):      1300 of 42374

[corporate_mike]

170. 183 CPUs

[corporate_mike]

171. Check this out - we're ahead of FREEPers (graph posted on FR)

[mcscajun]

172. Um...did you forget something? Or is there a link broken?

Your post looks mighty empty.

[corporate_mike]

174. Try this

I can't post the graph

See this thread and scroll down to middle of the page:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1562606/posts?q=1&&page=151

[Name removed]

175. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[corporate_mike]

176. Yes, it shows we're ahead of where they were 32 days after the start

We must continue to grow, no doubt, but 32 days after starting a team, we're beating the FREEPers.

[Mabus]

187. The idiot freeper couldn't take the heat and changed his graphic

I've asked the mods to either delete the graphic or my post. I did capture it and will repost it if you'd like in the new DU Folding Thread once it is created.

:rofl:

[mcscajun]

177. Got it, thanks.

:)

[Punkingal]

173. Thanks so much for posting this!!!!

I joined on Sunday. I love seeing the little red flower at the bottom of my computer and knowing it is working away to help all of us on the planet! What a great thing to be able to participate in this project!

[mcscajun]

178. Nice to have you aboard! n/t

:)

[corporate_mike]

179. If every member recruited another CPU, we'd be closing in on 400 CPUs

We should all try to get friends and family members to join

[mcscajun]

180. I'm sending it out to about half a dozen or so properly motivated folks.

:)

[Mabus]

186. I posted a request in the "upcoming events" thread on the Kansas forum

Hopefully some of my fellow Kansans will step up. I'm still trying to work out some problems on hubby's computer so I can load it.

[alfredo]

181. 184 CPU's Rank- 1286

Fold on!!!

[corporate_mike]

182. #1281 with 185 CPUs

and moving higher every hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[alfredo]

183. I'm still working on the same WU. I am 71.25% through with it.

My computer is around 6 years old, a dinosaur by most standards.

[Mabus]

184. You and me both

I got mine in 2001. It was a grand state-of-the-art machine (at least what I could afford) at the time. I was planning on replacing it in 2002 but then the stock market crashed. Oh well, it still gets me on the internet and currently it is crunching away on a WU.

:hi:

on edit: if I had upgraded in '02 my husband would have got this machine, a step-up from his dinosaur which was running (barely) Win 95 after it got upgraded from Win 3.1.

[alfredo]

192. Mine is an old Mac G4 450 Dual processor. It's not

bad, it's probably equal to an 800 mg computer.

I went from $50,000 a year to $15,000 a year right after I bought this machine.

I pulled out of the stock market when bush got selected. Glad I did.

Wish I had kept my Apple Stock. I bought at $10 a share.

[Mabus]

193. Wish we had

but we couldn't. Husband's ex-wife :grr: got greedy at the wrong time and got our assets frozen. By the time we got it sorted out it was too late.

[alfredo]

194. Oh boy, that sucks.

[corporate_mike]

185. Time for a new thread?

This takes a long time to load.

[mcscajun]

188. Your wish (and Mabus') is granted....Thread #6 coming up.

:)

[tiptoe]

189. :)

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[mcscajun]

190. Thread # 6 Is Here!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=241611&mesg_id=241611

[Mabus]

191. Yay!

:headbang: :yourock: :applause: