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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:19 PM
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Reflections on Will Pitt's "Clinton, 9/11 and the Facts"
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 04:25 PM by reprehensor
by reprehensor.

"The passage of time will, in all likelihood, finally expose the truth behind exactly what happened on September 11, and why. Until the moment of final revelation comes, however, we are all best served by a systematic analysis of the facts surrounding that dark day."

- William Rivers Pitt, "Clinton, 9/11 and the Facts"

Mr. Pitt, I couldn't agree with you more. In fact, that's exactly what so many of us have been screaming for -- for 5 years now. A systematic analysis of the facts. (This September will see the release of the documentary "9/11: Press for Truth," across America, highlighting the consistently uphill battle of the Jersey Girls, and the careful research of DU'er Paul Thompson. This documentary will undoubtedly offer some satisfaction to independent 9/11 researchers, a kind of, "I told you so," revelry. And, hopefully, a corrective to the lobotomized approach to 9/11 skepticism lopsidedly administered by media pundits of all political shades for the past 5 nasty, brutish years.)

You may ask, "Why is it so easy for a media giant like ABC to allow for a partisan cudgel to be so finely crafted within the folds of its cloak?"

Let's also ask this musical question: "Why has the Democratic Party practically en masse allowed Neoconservatives to establish a stance from which to launch a campaign of this nature?"

To answer these questions in any substantive form will require a short walk down memory lane to examine the ideological roots of "international terrorism".

The name Zbigniew Brzezinski is well known to those familiar with contemporary Western geopolitical thinking. He is infamous for making this statement;

"What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?"

He was talking about President Carter's endorsement of a plan to give covert aid to the Soviet regime's opponents in Kabul. Mr. Pitt is familiar with this quote as he used it in a prior article that he reposted here.

That, of course, is not the only quote Brzezinski is famous for. In a shocking pre-cursor to PNAC, we see Brzezinski framing the geopolitical reality of Central Asia within the confines of the resurrection of the Great Game of earlier times, (played out previously by Great Britain and Russia as they sought to control Central Asia), in his book "The Grand Chessboard" (1997);

"The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported Americas engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor." (pp. 2425)

"America is too democratic at home to be autocratic abroad. This limits the use of Americas power, especially its capacity for military intimidation. Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, except in conditions of a sudden threat or challenge to the publics sense of domestic well-being." (pp. 3536)

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstances of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." (p. 211)

It's difficult to say who influences who more, but it's clear that Brzezinski and the Neocons share a common vision of control, hegemonic if necessary, of Eurasia and the natural resources therein.

It's also clear that both Brzezinski and the Neocons saw no other way around the mobilization of America in this Imperial conquest, than by harnessing the desire for action and revenge following a calamitous event like a new Pearl Harbor, and by clearly identifying an external threat, a specific enemy that could be set up as a target and focused on with great fury.

Fortunately for the geo-cons, the framing of the "Islamic Terror Menace" had already begun;

In the summer of 1979, a group of powerful elites from various countries gathered at an international conference in Jerusalem to promote and exploit the idea of international terrorism. The forum, officially known as the Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism (JCIT), was organized by Benjamin Netanyahu now a former Israeli Prime Minister and Minister of Finance on behalf of the Jonathan Institute. The Institute was established in honor of the memory of Netanyahus brother, Lt. Col. Jonathan Netanyahu, an Israeli officer killed by a stray bullet during an IDF raid in the Occupied Territories.

Over two decades ago, the JCIT established the ideological foundations for the War on Terror. The JCITs defining theme was that international terrorism constituted an organized political movement whose ultimate origin was in the Soviet Union. All terrorist groups were ultimately products of, and could be traced back to, this single source, whichaccording to the JCITprovided financial, military, and logistical assistance to disparate terrorist movements around the globe. The mortal danger to Western security and democracy posed by the worldwide scope of this international terrorist movement required an appropriate worldwide anti-terrorism offensive, consisting of the mutual coordination of Western military intelligence services. The JCITs findings served as the basis of the worldwide publication of hundreds of newspaper, think-tank and academic accounts of Soviet involvement in orchestrating an international terrorist network.

But as Philip Paull documents extensively in his Masters thesis at San Francisco State University, the JCITs own literature and use of source documentation was profoundly flawed. It heavily cited, for instance, statistics purporting to demonstrate a drastic ten-fold increase in incidents of international terrorism between 1968-78but as Paull shows, these figures were deliberately concocted and inflated, contradicting original CIA data illustrating a decline in terrorist incidents for the same period. It also routinely relied on techniques of blatant disinformation, misquoting and misrepresenting Western intelligence reports, as well as recycling governmentsponsored disinformation published in the mainstream media. Paull thus concludes that the 1979 JCIT was:

" a successful propaganda operation the entire notion of international terrorism as promoted by the Jerusalem Conference rests on a faulty, dishonest, and ultimately corrupt information base. The issue of international terrorism has little to do with fact, or with any objective legal definition of international terrorism. The issue, as promoted by the Jerusalem Conference and used by the Reagan administration, is an ideological and instrumental issue. It is the ideology, rather than the reality that dominates US foreign policy today."

- Nafeez Ahmed, "Subverting Terrorism", in a speech to the Perdana Global Peace Forum, 2005.

So, at the same time that the Carter Administration had begun covert support to the Mujahadin, a parallel movement was afoot to frame "International Terrorism" as a uniquely Islamic phenomenon, wholly funded by the USSR.

Bad craziness.

Anyhow, once Carter got the ball rolling, we know that Reagan & Co. were only too happy to facilitate even more folly;

"In 1981, Casey of the CIA, Prince Turki of Saudi intelligence, and the ISI worked together to create a Foreign Legion of jihadi Muslims or so-called Arab Afghans (who in fact were never Afghans and not always Arabs) in Afghanistan. The foreigners were supported by the Services Center (Makhtab al-Khidmat, or MAK) of the Jordanian Palestinian Abdullah Azzam, in the offices of the World Muslim League and Muslim Brotherhood in Peshawar, Pakistan.

This project did not emanate from the Afghan resistance but was imposed on it. According to the Spanish author Robert Montoya, the idea originated in the elite Safari Club created by French intelligence chief Alexandre de Marenches in 1976, bringing together other intelligence chiefs such as Gen. Akhtar Abdur Rahman of ISI in Pakistan, and Kamal Adham of Saudi Arabia." - Peter Dale Scott, "The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America", University of California Press, forthcoming.

The Mujahadin were developed, facilitated, and trained directly and indirectly by Western assets. Heck, somebody had to teach them how to shoot those shoulder-mounted SAMs, might as well be the CIA.

"Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians." - Robin Cook, The Guardian, July 8, 2005

Mr. Cook is dead now.

However, we can say that the genesis of Al Qaeda was not "Made in Islam", even though the deployed agents in many respects were Arab, Afghan, Muslim, Sauds, brown, etc., etc., etc...

These ideas coalesced at the same time; a desire for an arm's length guerrilla army to deploy against the USSR in Afghanistan, a desire for a readily perceivable external threat, and, once the Cold War ended, a desire to legitimize the truly gargantuan Pentagon budget and the industrial base which butters its bread with the blood and guts of the Third World.

"The American people have been seriously misled about the origins of the al Qaeda movement blamed for the 9/11 attacks, just as they have been seriously misled about the reasons for Americas invasion of Iraq.

The truth is that for at least two decades the United States has engaged in energetic covert programs to secure U.S. control over the Persian Gulf, and also to open up Central Asia for development by U.S. oil companies. Americans were eager to gain access to the petroleum reserves of the Caspian Basin, which at that time were still estimated to be the largest known reserves of unexploited fuel in the planet.

To this end, time after time, U.S. covert operations in the region have used so-called Arab Afghan warriors as assets, the jihadis whom we loosely link with the name and leadership of al Qaeda. In country after country these Arab Afghans have been involved in trafficking Afghan heroin.

Americas sponsorship of drug-trafficking Muslim warriors, including those now in Al Qaeda, dates back to the Afghan War of 1979-89, sponsored in part by the CIAs links to the drug-laundering Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI). It was part of CIA Director Caseys strategy for launching covert operations over and above those approved and financed by a Democratic-controlled Congress.

The most conspicuous example of this alliance with drug-traffickers in the 1980s was the Contra support operation. Here again foreign money and drug profits filled the gap after Congress denied funds through the so-called Boland amendments; in this case government funds were used to lie about the Contras to the American people. This was followed by a massive cover-up, in which a dubious role was played by then-Congressman Lee Hamilton, later of the 9/11 Commission. - Peter Dale Scott, 9/11 in Historical Perspective: Flawed Assumptions

I'll bet Senator Kerry has some tales to tell about BCCI, huh? It doesn't take much digging to find out that the BCCI spread money all over the place, covered all the bases, as it were.

The problem, Dear Brutus, is that the Cold War ended, but the covert use of the Mujahadin never did.

"As many as four of 19 suspected hijackers may have participated during the 1990s in the base's flight training program for foreign military trainees, according to reports in The Washington Post and Newsweek magazine." - The Pensacola News Journal, September 17, 2001

"The US may also have allowed al-Zawahiri residence. The House of Representatives judiciary subcommittee on immigration was told by an expert on terrorism in January 2000 that he was one of a number of Islamist activists who had been granted green card status by the US immigration service." - The Guardian, September 24, 2001

"Sakra, the fifth most senior man in Osama bin Ladins al-Qaeda that has challenged the whole world from a base in the Afghan mountains, is in the hands of Turkish Justice. Sakra has been sought by the secret services since 2000. The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) interrogated him twice before. Following the interrogation CIA offered him employment. He also received a large sum of money by CIA." - Al-Qaeda, a Secret Service Operation?

"The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvellously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power, and especially to counter the Chinese influence in Central Asia." - CIA informant quoted by Richard Labvire in "Dollars for Terror" (prologue)

MI6 used Al Qaeda as well. In 1996, whistleblower David Shayler (ex-MI5) came forward and revealed that MI6 paid an Al Qaeda linked terrorist organization in Libya 100,000 to assassinate Col. Qaddafi. They failed, but they did manage to get a bunch of civilians killed and maimed by a poorly placed bomb, and got other civilians shot at by jumpy Libyan security guards.

Then there's the whole Balkans deal. The KLA and practically every other militant muslim guerrilla force in the Balkans (up to the present) had, (or has), Al Qaeda personnel;

"The United States, which had originally trained the Afghan Arabs during the war in Afghanistan, supported them in Bosnia and then in Kosovo. When NATO forces launched their military campaign against Yugoslavia three years ago to unseat Mr. Milosevic, they entered the Kosovo conflict on the side of the KLA, which had already received "substantial" military and financial support from bin Laden's network, analysts say.

In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist strikes on the United States, NATO began to worry about the presence in the Balkans of the Islamist terrorist cells it had supported throughout the 1990s." - National Post, 2003, archived at

This proud tradition of utilizing radical Islamists was passed like a baton from Carter to Reagan to Bush to Clinton to... Bush?

What else should we call P2OG?

Let's also not forget that the majority of the 9/11 hijackers were issued Visas from a virtual CIA visa mill in Jeddah.

So, why has ABC gone this route? Because it's so bloody easy. I'll wager that ALL of the information that will be used in the Clinton-bash-fest will be easily obtainable and verifiable in the Public Domain.

Why has the Democratic Party not clamored for an open, truly independent investigation of 9/11 and the relationship between Western intel and Al Qaeda?

As Frank Zappa once said, "When you're up to your neck in shit -- don't make any waves."

Now, would it be just as easy to make a movie that casts Republicans in just as crappy a light?

Of course, my horse!

And herein lies the problem.

The coy facilitation of Islamist extremists continues... to this day, by elements within, and loosely affiliated with, Western intel on both sides of the Atlantic. This Machiavellian duplicity, this hideous realpolitik, is the flowering of demonic Neocon-Straussian philosophy and the manifestation of the cold-blooded prescriptions of George F. Kennan;

"We should cease to talk about vague and unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better. "

The problem is not "Democratic" or "Republican" or "conservative" or "liberal". I would have to agree with Gore Vidal when he says that America's problems in the modern age really began with Truman's signing of the National Security Act in 1947, which gave birth to the CIA and a nascent "Invisible Government".

In this National Security State, a pure oligarchy looms, remote from the casual concerns of the hoi polloi and indifferent to the social desires framed and reframed endlessly to give a sense of legitimacy to Pantomime Presidential Elections that are decided by machines.

The dark heart of the Military - Industrial - Thinktank - Media - Congressional - Complex beats in secret, with no oversight and trillion-dollar overdraught protection.

Ponder this, and ponder it again when next "they" hit us;

"It (Al Qaeda) has no existence as an independent concrete entity. It designates a highly developed category of Western covert operations designed to secure destabilization through the creation, multiplication, mobilization, and manipulation of disparate mujahideen groups. The evidence suggests that this was certainly the case on 9-11." - Nafeez Ahmed in The Hidden History of 9-11-2001
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:22 PM
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A good read.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:23 PM
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2. Thanks for tracing the whole stream
with a vision broad & deep.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 11:17 AM
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10. Not the entire stream.
I'm just pointing out that there is a valid counterpoint, growing in length, breadth, and depth of seriousness.

Here is one of the best scholarly volumes to appear so far on 9/11;

"The Hidden History of 9-11-2001"
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 02:50 PM
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12. ok, ok
Not the whole stream. Well no kidding. Let's just kick it.

Here's something that outlines a case for 9/11 skepticism:

And something else:

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:28 PM
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3. BCCI and Pakistani Nuclear Hero

BCCI and Pakistani Nuclear Hero
Pakistan's Nuclear Hero Defended
by Jefferson Morley

"Washington and Islamabad," says the Delhi-based daily, are "holding their breath" to see if Khan "will spill the beans about Pakistan's offical complicity in the spread of nuclear weapons technology."

Pakistan proceeded to spend some $10 billion developing a nuclear arsenal, say the editors of the Times of India. The money came from Libya, Saudia Arabia, Iraq, the United Arab Emirates and the depositors of the BCCI. The bank, says the editors of the Times of India, was founded by a Pakistani and operated freely in the Persian Gulf oil enclave of Dubai. It is inconceivable, they argue, that Western intelligence agencies didn't know all about this black market.

In other words, was the United States totally clueless while a Pakistani scientist supplied nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea.

George W. Bush and partners receive more than $2 million of Harken Energy stock in exchange for a failing oil well operation, which had lost $400,000 in the prior six months. After Bush joined Harken, the largest stock position and a seat on its board were acquired by Harvard Management Company. The Harken board gave Bush $600,000 worth of the company's publicly traded stock, plus a seat on the board plus a consultancy that paid him up to $120,000 a year. When Harken runs short of cash it hooks up with investment banker Jackson Stephens of Little Rock, Arkansas, who arranges a $25 million stock purchase by Union Bank of Switzerland. Sheik Abdullah Bakhsh, who joins the board as a part of the deal, is connected to the infamous BCCI.


From Outlaw Bank by Beatty and Gwynne.

They include this statement from Sheikh Kamal Adham, former head of Saudi intelligence, bro-in-law of late King Faisal, and shareholder in BCCI and First American Bank, who was speaking to an Arabic audience when admitted, in 1992, that "Pakistan had their own atomic bomb and that Abedi/BCCI had helped them get it.

...Kamal Adham was anticipating...indictment in the U.S. over BCCI fraud.

"So why would he want to call attention to all of this? The Western press aside, the wily old spy master certainly knew the intelligence agencies of the U.S. would pick up his remarks...He may have been sending a message directly to George Bush, reminding the president that Kamal Adham knew far too much to be trifled with.

in perspective...9-91. Morganthau was going after the powerful Saudi as one of the main culprits of the BCCI scandal. Morganthau kept quiet about his intentions to indict Adham AND SHEIKH KHALID BIN MAHFOUZ (in hopes to avoid state department inverventions.)

but when Kamal found out what was happening, he hired the former executive assistant of then White House Chief of Staff John Sununu...who had just (surprise...not) quit to go "private."

This publically brought the Bush administration into the BCCI scandal for the first time.

Beatty and Gwynne learned that Bush's White House was closely monitoring the BCCI investigation, insisting that a administration official sit in on congressional and justice dept. interviews with BCCI witnesses (does this sound familiar to anyone else?? ...the investigation into whistleblowing with Dubya).

some in the FBI complained the FBI probe was spinning its wheels because it was "too political" (again, sound familiar as an excuse to investigate the Bush lies to go to war with Iraq???)...and decisions were being held up in Washington.

A justice dept official complained Washington didn't really want the Atty Gen.'s office to actually return indictments. Washington (Bush) wanted to do an overall package deal, "'where we cut off the hands of a few Pakistanis and paint it as if they were really all the big folks.'"

Beatty and Gwynne go on to note that Bush Sr, lied and claimed he didn't know Adham. (who had been director of the CIA in 1976, WHEN GEORGE BUSH HEADED THE CIA).

The American agency had been "helping to modernize Saudi intelligence during Bush's tenure (oh, no conflict of interest there, huh, Zapata Oil?)

The authors also note that Bush was known as "the Saudi vice president" throughout the middle east. State dept said it was impossible for Bush not to have known Adham because he was the main man in S.A. when you making BIZ DEALS, as well as policy.

when asked about Bush's statement, Adham did not directly deny it, though Saudi's knew Adham's newphew, Sultan bin-Bandar was ambassador to the U.S. and was a frequent guest of Bush.

...but what about the nuclear weapons issue? Reagan, "intent on continuing military aid to Pakistan during the Afghanistan (mujahadeen/Osama bin Laden as Reagan's allies) war, turned a blind eye b/c U.S. law prohibited military aid or sale to nonnuclear countries known to be developing nuclear weapons.

In 88 and 89, Bush danced on the edge of truth about Pakistan, saying it did not "possess a nuclear explosive device" to justify continuing MASSIVE support for Pakistan, b/c Pak, bush said, only had "unassembled components."

As soon as Russia pulled out of Afghanistan, Bush said unassembled components violated the rules and cut off aid.

Beatty and Gwynne, in Time Magazine, were "the first to assert that BCCI was instrumental in Pakistan achieving unofficial Nuclear Club membership.

Via BCCI, Pakistan had received sophisticated American military technology that Congress NEVER AUTHORIZED. Adham's remarks re: an atmomic bomb may have been suggesting that it wouldn't be in the Bush administration's self-interest to probe too deeply into how Pakistan, and BCCI, came to possess such military capacity.

The Sheikh knew that BCCI was "the creation of a real life Dr. No, whose empire brokered ballistic missiles, illicit pharmaceuticals, stolen military secrets, heroin, and hot money, leaving a trail of corruption across two decades and seventy countries. And of all people, Adham had reason to know that the (Bush) White House knew it too, and had known about it for years."

pp 272-77

Dick Cheney exposed Valerie Plame to cover up his association with A.Q. Khan's Nuclear Walmart. Read about it here:
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 04:54 PM
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4. BCCI: the connector of so many threads.
Talk about a can of worms.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:29 PM
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13. Pakistan investigates BCCI role in sale of nuclear knowhow

Pakistan investigates BCCI role in sale of nuclear knowhow

Wednesday, February 04 2004 @ 06:11 PM CST

Stephen Fidler and Farhan Bokhari

The Pakistani government is examining records of the failed Bank of Credit and Commerce International in its investigation into the role Pakistani scientists may have played in selling nuclear knowhow to Iran, North Korea and Libya. According to bankers, some of whom worked with BCCI before it collapsed in 1991, Pakistani investigators have sought the help of former BCCI employees to try to uncover payments made to scientists connected with Pakistan's nuclear programme. BCCI's role in financing Pakistan's own nuclear efforts has long been the subject of scrutiny. In 1992, a report into BCCI from a US Congressional sub-committee headed by Senator John Kerry, now a leading Democratic presidential contender, said "there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear programme". Though it said the issue deserved further investigation, there was little public follow-through.

This year, however, as evidence has mounted that Pakistani scientists helped the uranium enrichment programmes of Iran, North Korea and Libya, the Pakistani government has launched an investigation. A government spokesman in Islamabad said that anybody found to have passed on secrets would be punished, but denied that the government approved any transfers. At least 11 Pakistani scientists and officials - as well as the so-called father of the Pakistani nuclear bomb, Abdul Qadeer Khan - have been questioned.

BCCI helped the Pakistani government under General Zia ul Haq, the military dictator killed in a 1988 plane crash, to channel payments from the US Central Intelligence Agency to fighters seeking to oust Soviet troops from Afghanistan. Soviet troops withdrew in 1989 but former BCCI officials said the relationship for organising undocumented payments for influential Pakistanis continued until the bank's collapse. One former BCCI banker who said he organised funds transfers on behalf of senior military officers in the Zia regime commented: "I'm not surprised that the Pakistanis are now looking to put together dossiers on some of their scientists receiving payments through BCCI." He said that over the past two months, Pakistani officials had travelled to the Middle East, looking for evidence of nuclear scientists receiving payments through BCCI.

Another former BCCI banker said that establishing payments to Pakistani nuclear scientists through the bank could provide evidence about the so far undocumented role of senior former Pakistani military officers in overseeing the transfer of nuclear knowhow to other countries. The investigation has prompted speculation among western intelligence officials and diplomats over the extent to which General Zia, leader of a frontline anti-communist state, in fact sanctioned the transfer of nuclear knowhow to Iran. In the past four to eight weeks, he said the Pakistani investigators have been seeking evidence of payments made to Mohammad Farooq, one of the nuclear scientists at the centre of the investigation. Pakistani officials are said to have focused on Mr Farooq as a possible contact between the Iranians and Mr Khan.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 03:45 PM
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14. Noose tightens round alleged network of international nuclear black market
Noose tightens round alleged network of international nuclear black market

South Africa charges two Germans with nuclear materials smuggling

S.Africa arrests two on WMD charges(Abdul Qadeer Khan link)

Two Men Charged with Smuggling Nuclear Equipment to Appear in S. African C

South Africa Reports Critical Stage in Nuclear Black Market Probe

Swiss arrested for alleged aid to Libya

Switzerland Opens Nuclear Investigation
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:39 PM
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5. .
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 05:58 PM
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6. Are you saying that the war on terror
Edited on Fri Sep-01-06 05:59 PM by wiggs
is a fabrication, a smokescreen, or at least a happy outgrowth of close ties with AQ...for MULTIPLE purposes which include positioning the US to protect its perceived interests for the foreseable future (pnac goal) in a world where China is beginning to compete for resources and superpower status?

Not implausible. Would explain a few things currently a mystery.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-01-06 08:44 PM
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7. Very informative, thanks
After reading this post and comments it is easy to see why a political outsider, Dem. or Rep., would not be elected President. Can't afford to have someone that has no bodies buried to have access to all this covert happenings in this country. They'd have to kill him. Just kidding.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:35 AM
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8. well kick it again
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 09:00 AM
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9. Heard about the jihad schoolbook scandal?
Remember how outraged the Western press was at the fanatical jihad preaching schoolbooks the Taliban were using to indoctrinate young Muslim minds in the principles of jihad and hatred of infidels?

Well guess who provided them. Good old Uncle Sam, that's who, always trying his best to make the world a better place, under both Democratic and Republican administrations.

The Jihad Schoolbook Scandal...

Why has the US been Shipping Muslim Extremist Schoolbooks into Afghanistan...for 20 Years?

And why is President Bush hiding it?

by Jared Israel


Washington Post investigators report that during the past twenty years the US has spent millions of dollars producing fanatical schoolbooks, which were then distributed in Afghanistan.

"The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books..." -- Washington Post, 23 March 2002 (1)

According to the Post the U.S. is now "...wrestling with the unintended consequences of its successful strategy of stirring Islamic fervor to fight communism."

So the books made up the core curriculum in Afghan schools. And what were the unintended consequences? The Post reports that according to unnamed officials the schoolbooks "steeped a generation in violence."

How could this result have been unintended? Did they expect that giving fundamentalist schoolbooks to schoolchildren would make them moderate Muslims?

Kicked and recommended.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 12:31 PM
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11. Kick n/t
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:01 PM
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15. ABC is owned by Disney which is partially owned by...
wealthy Saudis, the same people who funded al Qaeda so that it would set its sights on the U.S. instead of Saudi Royals. The "shadow government" turns against the US in order to protect its oil monopoly, and now is beating the war drums in order more oil interests.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:02 PM
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16. k&r
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-02-06 04:12 PM
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17. God damn
Great stuff. Thanks for putting the work in. This is excellent.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 10:10 AM
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18. Kick n/t
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Tuesday_Morning Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-03-06 11:47 AM
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19. Thanks
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