Wow. This is bad....(concerning illegal immigration)

[jerry611]

A co-worker of mine (who has a few screws loose) has a boyfriend who is here from Mexico illegally. The other day he was stopped by the police for speeding and a broken headlight. He had no identification (except for some kind of Driving ID from Mexico), no proof of auto insurance, and no proof of registration.
The cop let him go...

Now, if that had been me speeding with no ID, no insurance, and no registration...I'd either be given astronomical fines or possibly even arrested.
It ticks me off about how scared the government is of illegal aliens.

Now this boyfriend is demanding to get married so he can stay in the country...
Does anyone know what the law is on this? I mean does he get married, become a citizen, and then get a divorce?

Something isn't right about all this...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Fine with me.

But by all means. Let's stop all of the Mexicans, assume they're illegal, and deport them.

:eyes:

[Disturbed]

12. A Mexican lady driver cut in front of

one of my son's while he was, thankfully, slowly driving and his car hit hers only slightly. It turns out that she had no driver's license, no registration and no inusrance. Also, four children were in her car and none had a seat belt on. No one was hurt. Good thing that he was driving slowly, around 30 mph.

It may be that a few million people are driving around without a driver's license, registration and inusrance.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Fine.

A couple of months ago some crazy white bitch pulled a U-turn and T-boned are car.

I'm pretty sure she wasn't an illegal alien though.

[treestar]

17. Not having license, etc., does not automatically make the driver

the cause of the accident. Even drunkenness does not, if you think about it. If a drunk goes through a green light and a sober person has the red light and runs it, the accident is the sober person's fault. It may not be the odds, but it can happen. Not having insurance would put the driver of violation of state laws, but does not mean the person was automatically driving negligently. Even driving without a license does not ipso facto mean the person was driving negligently.

[RB TexLa]

72. And the situation you mentioned counts as an "alcohol related accident"

in those stats they use. And it does happen.

[alstephenson]

35. Yeah, and some of them might be WHITE!

[lynne]

70. A family friend - 8 1/2 mos. pregnant - was rearended last week -

- by an illegal immigrant. He was drunk. No insurance. No license. Not only did he rearend her once, he then rearended her AGAIN trying to escape the scene!

Thankfully, neither she or the baby were injured. However, she will have to pay the deductible on her collision coverage to repair her car because this illegal didn't have any insurance.

[Ms. Clio]

75. "This illegal" -- what a nasty turn of phrase -- people are not "illegal"

and how do you even know that he was undocumented? And why is it relevant to the story at all? Plenty of citizens don't have licenses or insurance, either.

[lynne]

84. He wasn't here legally so he was illegal -

- and he admitted as much at the scene when he could not produce a green card or any other evidence of being in the US legally.

[Ms. Clio]

87. so next time you break any law, that means you become just "that illegal"

and again, how is his immigration status actually relevant to the story?

[Lost-in-FL]

102. And you didn't report them?

Cause my guess is that that "illegal" is still in the US cause no one has called INS. I wonder how no one has called INS? :sarcasm:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. ...

You'd rather she got hit by a drunk uninsured american?

[lynne]

86. I'd rather she not have been hit at all, of course.

But that doesn't change the facts of the incident.

[Lost-in-FL]

103. Must be the same drunk one who

knock my mail box (federal offense) and ran away. Was also drunk and still "illegal" for knocking that mail box. :sarcasm:

[Richard Steele]

80. A drunk came tearing up my street and trashed my neighbors car...

a few weeks ago. No insurance, no license, expired tags...

But it was A-OK with everybody, cuz he wuz WHITE.

:sarcasm:

[lynne]

90. Not hardly -

- I would hope that his white/black/sky-blue pink ass would be put in the slammer, too. But - where I am - there are more accidents involving uninsured illegals than there are involving uninsured citizens. And it seems to be rapidly on the increase.

[Ms. Clio]

91. put up some links to prove that assertion

Frankly, I find it specious in the extreme.

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. Got a link?

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. LOL

!

[Cleita]

81. Yes, and when we tried to get driver's licenses for these people

in California so they could buy insurance, Gov. Schwarzzie vetoed the bill and now you are all bellyaching because they don't have insurance and aren't driving safe vehicles, which the DMV would have screened them for.

[gaspee]

88. Exactly

That was about the most shortsighted thing I'd seen in awhile.

If the government doens't plan on deporting 12 million people, can we at least make them get car insurance.

My parents where hit head on by a drunk illegal resident last Christmas morning. They were injured pretty severly and we had a bitch of a time getting their insurance to pay off on their uninsured motorist claim. It would have been a hell of a lot better if legal status wasn't a factor when getting insurance. And we'd all have lower premiums.

[proud2BlibKansan]

95. Same thing happened here in KS

They tried to pass a law so undocumented immigrants could get drivers licenses and insurance. But the conservative RWers wouldn't vote for it. It makes no sense.

[Not Me]

18. Getting married=residency...only for heteros

...just sayin.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Are you talking to me?

Because I wasn't asking. Give the guy citizenship, if you ask me.

As for marriage, is it just me, or does the OP have a problem with a mexican guy getting married to his (white?) girlfriend who (obviously) must have "some screws loose" to be dating the guy?

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. yes this story is complete b.s.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Yup.

Pegged the needle.

[Richard Steele]

46. Oh, that's our Jerry....

[Ms. Clio]

77. Looks like a HIT AND RUN n/t

[uppityperson]

78. been watching over the last 3 months.

[Ms. Clio]

85. sí, y yo también n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Not any more

[rodeodance]

2. Happens a lot: I mean does he get married, become a citizen, and then get

[proud2BlibKansan]

3. You are right - something isn't right

First of all, I find it hard to believe the cops let him go. No way. I believe federal regs say they have to detain him and notify INS (or homeland security).

Second - no, if she marries him, that doesn't make him a citizen.

[spindrifter]

6. The cop probably didn't want to be hassled with

the paperwork. Maybe he didn't have time to take the guy in to get booked. Maybe he thought there are bigger fish out here than some guy with no proof of insurance.

[SoCalDem]

8. BINGO... paperwork....n/t

[jerry611]

9. Or maybe he knew what INS would say.....let him go....

Why spend 3 hours booking someone if the system is simply going to tell you to let him go?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

14. Question.

How was he supposed to know the guy was an illegal immigrant?

[treestar]

16. Exactly, local police aren't trained at all in that

It is the job of ICE. The feds.

Police can't tell if a person has a right to be in the US or not unless they are trained in immigration documents. There are visas and statuses that not everyone knows about. In addition, the free nature of our society is that we don't have to prove we are US citizens either. The local cop just deals with local law. Why should he/she have to figure out all the mangled bureaucracy of immigration and nationality law on the street? The feds can't keep it straight in their offices.

[jerry611]

21. Police let Mohammad Atta go on an expired visa

Mohammad Atta was stopped once for a traffic violation before 9/11. His visa was expired yet the police didn't do anything about it.

And 6 months after 9/11...his new visa arrives in the mail at the place he used to live.

That ought to tell you how screwed up the system is...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. LOL.

Right. And he even looked mexican too.

Damn cops.

[jerry611]

23. Who said anything about Mexican?

If the FBI, INS, and the police were all doing their job, 9/11 would have been thwarted easily. Most of the 9/11 hijackers were here on expired visas.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. well...

If law enforcement were doing it's job and locking up furriners than 9-11 wouldn't have happened. Right?

[uppityperson]

31. maybe if the administration listened to the intellegence, 9/11 thwarted.

Little things like FBI concern over middleeasternmales taking flying classes and not interested in landing. Or perhaps the daily bulletin. Or perhaps....

[treestar]

61. Or the two guys who were on the watch list

If the INS is to be faulted, it is for not picking up the guys on the watch list, though we cannot be sure if that would have prevented 911. Maybe there were potential hijackers who were picked up and deported but someone else there to take their place. It is always interesting how the government has never really investigated the plot itself.

Then there is the issue of the watch list just being too big. Including every Arab male between 14 and 49 just isn't specific enough. And causes the govt. to waste time harassing people who had nothing to do with it.

[treestar]

58. I would say the CIA first, then the FBI. The INS did their job.

The INS was only supposed to decide which aliens to let in; it is the CIA that had intelligence capabilities. The INS did they best they could; it is absurd to try to prevent terrorist attacks from such a broad perspective when it is possible to zero in on the people who are planning them, rather than just assume all entering aliens are planning them.

The police had no job to do at all. Police could not have done anything to stop 911.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. The rules have changed since then

[treestar]

55. It was not a new visa that arrived

It was a notification that the bureaucracy made from one part to another.

Besides, Mohamed Atta's overstaying his visa was not the problem. It was flying a jet into the North Tower that was the problem. At least, as to those two offenses he committed, the latter was considerably the worst.

[Ms. Clio]

68. See Lydia's post downthread -- it's not their job to enforce immigration

laws.

Another subject you don't seem to actually know anything about at all -- shocking!

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Oh yes they are trained

No ID, no green card, they take you in.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Really?

because a couple of years ago I bought a new car, had all the paperwork sitting on my desk, and had to make an unexpected trip to the pharmacy in the middle of the night.

I got pulled over but the cop me over and I didn't have my license, or a green card and the cop let me go.

Not a word about handing me over to INS.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. That was a couple years ago

Times have changed. I have friends who are cops and another friend who works for Homeland Security. They are honestly aggressively detaining and deporting Hispanics now- especially since this past spring.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

42. Ah, detaining and deporting hispanics.

Good old-fashioned racism. Apparently times haven't changed much. I mean from the thirties.

[treestar]

57. They can deport illegal aliens of any nationality, but they cannot

deport "hispanics" unless they are also illegal aliens. Many citizens are "hispanics." Some hispanics have a valid legal permanent residence, a valid nonimmigrant status, or have been granted asylum or cancellation or withholding of removal, ergo, such hispanics, though aliens, would not be deportable either.

As to aggressive ICE policies, that would be the Arabs and espcially Egyptians.

[treestar]

56. They would have to know how to read an I-94

And what if a citizen has no ID? They can take you in for just not having an ID? That would be a police state wouldn't it? If they have probable cause to believe you committed a crime, they could take you in for that. If they have nothing else, then just taking you in for not having an ID sounds like an unconstitutional ordinance.

[proud2BlibKansan]

92. That is a very common law

It is against the law in many jurisdictions to not have ID on you.

[spindrifter]

82. I haven't seen ICE releasing a hold on

an illegal ordinarily. The locals may not want to dink around trying to get reimbursed the jail cost, though.

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. No I doubt it

New rules came down this past spring about detaining and deporting undocumeneted immigrants. They are sending them back all over the country.

This story is B.S.

[Lost-in-FL]

47. Aren't foreign drivers licenses legal documents

if used within certain period (from the moment you get to the states maybe to a few weeks or months)? But of course, you still need proof of insurance.

[Balbus]

63. In Arizona city police officers are not allowed to detain

anyone based on immigration status. That may change in November due to a local ballot initiative, but in the meantime it's considered an INS/Federal issue. So yes, violators are let go.

[Kali]

71. County or DPS either. (Arizona)

Local cops tell you to call Border Patrol (or whatever the lates name change is now)

[spindrifter]

83. Right. They hold if they

have a local jailable charge.

[unschooler]

4. Oh, please. Cops aren't afraid of Mexican illegals.

That's got to be the most ridiulous thing I've heard in weeks.

Obviously, there are some facts missing from your scenario.

[democrat_patriot]

5. It's not that easy anymore.

Used to be Get married, get Green Card. Now it takes years. And $2000+ .

My wife is from England and when we got married we had several interviews etc. You have to have mingled bank accounts, know personal things about each other. She still is not a citizen, she doesn't want to be, I have to continue sponsoring her. We get divorced she has to leave, or be sponsored by an employer.

[nosillies]

38. No, divorce isn't always an issue

After two years of marriage, the "conditional" can be removed from her resident alien status and she can become a permanent resident alien.

http://www.divorcehq.com/articles/alienfraud.html

And in fact, a friend of mine who was an RA got his divorce after only 15 months of marriage, and he became permanent anyway, because they filed the "good faith" affidavit.

I could only hang the threat of divorce over my husband's head for two years -- he's not scared of me anymore. :evilgrin:

[gaspee]

7. Something's wrong with this story, all right

[treestar]

10. If he marries a US citizen, that citizen has the right to file a petition

for permanent residence for him. But he has to leave the country for 10 years even so, if his initial entry was surreptitious - that is, if he was not admitted on a visa. To get around the 10 year bar, he and his wife have to show extreme hardship to the wife if he could not become a permanent resident for the next ten years. This would involve an analysis of whether it would be a hardship for the wife to live in Mexico. Often this is found not to be the case, if the wife has any ties to Mexico or speaks the language as a native herself. (Where the wife has a Mexican background). If they have kids they count too, but it can be found not to be a hardship for US citizen children to spend their childhood in Mexico. It is not ipso facto hardship.

Traditionally the police don't care about immigration status. It is their job to enforce local laws, and they don't have to help the feds do their jobs. It is not the problem of the local police. This country is not a police state where the police can enforce whatever. It is based on the rule of law and the law enforcement officer has to have jurisdiction under the law. Immigration violations are civil in nature.

[ret5hd]

11. Cops afraid of undocumented aliens...bwahaahaahaahaa...

you gotta be kidding me! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

c'mon, tell another one. i'v had a hard week and i need a few laughs!

[Spazito]

13. sniff....sniff...

You're right.....something isn't right about this.....story.

[NNN0LHI]

19. Some people appear a bit obsessed with this immigration stuff n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

20. link takes me back to the lobby.

But I know what you mean about obsessions.

[treestar]

62. Maybe it needs its own dungeon.

[uppityperson]

32. OMG, police are afraid of illegal aliens!

maybe I need to get one of those illegal alien costumes so I can speed and not get tickets? hmmmm

Something isn't right about this story at all.

[alstephenson]

33. It's mostly about resources......

There is a big debate about this here in Arizona. A horrible racist guy named Randy Pullen has put an initiative on the ballot in Phoenix called "Protect Our City". I saw him on a local PBS station the other day spewing his racist B.S. He wants to be able to sue law enforcement officers who for whatever reason do NOT arrest a suspected undocumented immigrant, even if no crime has been committed and the (brown skinned) guy is standing outside Home Depot looking for work. A representative from a coalition of local law enforcement agencies was also on the show. The law enforcement representative explained it this way: they can arrest the guy and take him down to the station, process him and call ICE, since being undocumented is a federal crime. ICE does not respond unless there are MULTIPLE undocumented immigrants (and usually not even then), so they end up releasing the guy anyway. In the meantime, the arresting officer is not available to respond to violent crimes, or a child pulled from a pool, or a terrible accident. This is extremely frustrating for law enforcement, but since the federal government has put the burden on already strained local law enforcement, it's just the way it is. A comprehensive immigration policy would address these issues and is long over due.

[Lost-in-FL]

34. Well, lemme see

Besides you, who else at work knows she is dating an "illegal"?

Now, the reason illegals are "taking over" :sarcasm: is not only because of the police (or government) not doing what they are supposed to but because of people like you and your coworkers who DO NOT call Immigration services about someone here "illegally" and then come here or any other blog all pissy about it and start a biased thread.

I have been stopped and not given a ticket and only given a warning, even for being speeding. Maybe the cop was not a bigot and never ocurred to him that a Non-american is automatically an "illegal alien". Maybe the "illegal's" foreign drivers license was a "legal" document. And you are right, something is wrong about all this and maybe you do not know all that happened to "judge" the actions of others.

[EFerrari]

40. The Mexicans are coming, Jerry!

:rofl:

[Lost-in-FL]

41. LOOK OUT!!!! THE MEXICANS ARE COMING!!!

:rofl:

Psst... psst... sfex, get the Tequila.

[EFerrari]

52. Why not? It's a holiday and if we're DOOMED, I might as well.

I mean, what else would you do during an INVASION?

LOL

[Richard Steele]

59. Now, you know DAMN well...

...that if Jerry actually knew any Illegal Immigrant
he would have turned the guy in to the INS in about
two minutes flat.

[EFerrari]

60. If he could get their attention.

They have all the energy of the FBI and all the effectiveness of FEMA.

:)

[uppityperson]

45. Quick!buy your Mexican Mask here!Never get stopped for speeding again!

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

48. Duct tape and sheet plastic effective deterant against mexicans...

news at eleven.

[tjwash]

43. How the hell do you rack up 1100+ posts in 3 months?

[Kali]

74. hyuck

:thumbsup:

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.edited to add: :blush: by posting like I just did?

[Richard Steele]

44. Up next on 'Rush Limbaughs Urban Legends'......

Same old RW :puke: as ever.....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. My mother came to this country and married an American citizen.

Actually, she married 3 American citizens in succession. When, not getting married, she was busy "stealing" wonderful jobs like scrubbing floors from "real" Americans.

Maybe the cop was tinged with humanitarianism and didn't want to see the poor guy deported for a traffic ticket.

[EFerrari]

50. Omigod! That's means, they're not coming, they're ALREADY HERE!

:evilgrin:

[Warren Stupidity]

67. My granddad stole and sold the family cow to pay for his passage.

Then again my ex brother-in-law's family walked here like 15,000 years ago or so. We all got here somehow and I am shipped-witless with the mexiphobians.

[China_cat]

51. Marriage for green card is hard.

INS can come snooping in all areas of your life at all times of day and night for at least 2 years...and any separation before a full 2 years are up is considered evidence of fraudulent marriage. Marriage does not automatically confer citizenship. Only resident alien status.

It just isn't like it used to be portrayed any more. And hasn't been for about 20 years.

[wicket]

53. Oh boy

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Lydia Leftcoast]

54. Traffic cops (who are local, not federal) don't enforce immigration laws

That's left to the INS.

And no, one can't become a citizen just by marrying an American. IF you can prove that you're really married and in a real relationship (not just a marriage of convenience), you can get a green card.

It takes years to become a citizen, even with a green card, and yes, a person can become a citizen and then divorce their native-born spouse. But that doesn't change the fact that they're still a citizen. Relationships go sour. Spouses die. (I'm not sure what would happen to a person's green card if it was based on a marriage and the marriage broke up, though.)

I think the OP needs to get better informed before he repeats the conventional prejudices that are floating around among insecure people.

[pitohui]

96. they should enforce traffic laws tho

a black man in the same situation would be taken straight to jail, and i have even known cases where a white man in that situation was taken to jail -- in one case, it cost the guy $400 (well it cost his mom that) to get him out of the jail

why is the mexican special?

the law should be the same for all peoples and driving w.out proper documents is highly illegal

most criminals are caught in the course of routine traffic stops anyway so don't even pretend that traffic cops have no authority to detain criminals

sheebus

i'm guessing the mexican guy slipped the cop a hundred dollar bill or something when he showed him the "mexican" documentation

[Ms. Clio]

97. in the first place, the story is most likely complete crap

actually, that's really the only important point.

[Warren Stupidity]

64. Mexicans Mexicans Mexicans Mexicans Mexicans!!!

This is HUGH!!!11!!1! IM SERIES!!!11!!!!

Hey I saw 'A Day Without Mexicans' a few nights ago. It was goofy but charming. Get over it. Learn Spanish. Celebrate diversity.

[Ms. Clio]

65. "Something isn't right about all this..."

Yeah, and I know why:

[KingFlorez]

66. Really?

And I just was crowned The King of France

[NNN0LHI]

69. Pleased to meet you Your Majesty

:rofl:

[Richard Steele]

73. Or as Jerry calls it, "Freedom Land".

[Cleita]

79. Another one of your little ancedotal stories that can't be

proved I see.

And even if true. Why bring it here? Report the "friend" and her "boyfriend" to the police and tell them that one of their officers isn't doing their job. Let them investigate it.

What do you want from us other than patting your back for reporting a cop's dereliction of duty?

[sandnsea]

89. Somebody let some war criminals go too

I think that's a bit more important, but then I haven't got anything the scary Mexicans would want to take anyway.

Get a life.

[Lost-in-FL]

98. I just noticed this prior post of yours

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1964329&mesg_id=1964329

They are similar. The only thing is that this one hasn't been locked.

[Ms. Clio]

99. The fun and games are finally over for this pendejo

Vaya con Rush Limpbough, cabrón.

[U4ikLefty]

101. Yay!!! n/t

[and-justice-for-all]

100. I have a friend who is married to a British fellow...

and they went through MONTHS of paperwork, this that and the other. He could not come to the states until a certain point in the citizenship process regardless of the fact that the wed already. They still had to wait several months before he could stay...

[Rosemary2205]

104. Well, Jerry, I see you got all the anarchists wound up.

the very idea of having a border gives them the willies. :)

[maddezmom]

105. locking OP is no longer with us