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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:23 PM
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Did you all see this? (Conservative) "Pundits Renounce the President"
Pundits Renounce the President
By Peter Baker
The Washington Post

Sunday 20 August 2006

Among conservative voices, discord.

For 10 minutes, the talk show host grilled his guests about whether "George Bush's mental weakness is damaging America's credibility at home and abroad." For 10 minutes, the caption across the bottom of the television screen read, "IS BUSH AN 'IDIOT'?"

But the host was no liberal media elitist. It was Joe Scarborough, a former Republican congressman turned MSNBC political pundit. And his answer to the captioned question was hardly "no." While other presidents have been called stupid, Scarborough said: "I think George Bush is in a league by himself. I don't think he has the intellectual depth as these other people."

These have been tough days politically for President Bush, what with his popularity numbers mired in the 30s and Republican candidates distancing themselves as elections near. He can no longer even rely as much on once-friendly voices in the conservative media to stand by his side, as some columnists and television commentators lose faith in his leadership and lose heart in the war in Iraq.

While most conservative media figures have not abandoned Bush, influential opinion-makers increasingly have raised questions, expressed doubts or attacked the president outright, particularly on foreign policy, on which he has long enjoyed their strongest support. In some cases, they have complained that Bush has drifted away from their shared principles; in other cases, they think it is the implementation that has fallen short. In most instances, Iraq figures prominently.

"Conservatives for a long time were in protective mode, wanting to emphasize the progress in Iraq to contrast what they felt was an unfair attack on the war by the Democrats and media and other sources," Rich Lowry, editor of the National Review, said in an interview. "But there's more of a sense now that things are on a downward trajectory, and more of a willingness to acknowledge it and pressure the administration to react to it."

Lowry's magazine offers a powerful example. "It is time to say it unequivocally: We are winning in Iraq," Lowry wrote in April 2005, chastising those who disagreed. This month, he published an editorial that concluded that "success in Iraq seems more out of reach than it has at any time since the initial invasion three years ago" and assailed "the administration's on-again-off-again approach to Iraq."


Few have struck a nerve more than Scarborough, who questioned the president's intelligence on his show, "Scarborough Country." He showed a montage of clips of Bush's famously inarticulate verbal miscues and then explored with guests John Fund and Lawrence O'Donnell Jr. whether Bush is smart enough to be president.

While the country does not want a leader wallowing in the weeds, Scarborough concluded on the segment, "we do need a president who, I think, is intellectually curious."

"And that is a big question," Scarborough said, "whether George W. Bush has the intellectual curiousness - if that's a word - to continue leading this country over the next couple of years."

In a later telephone interview, Scarborough said he aired the segment because he kept hearing even fellow Republicans questioning Bush's capacity and leadership, particularly in Iraq. Like others, he said, he supported the war but now thinks it is time to find a way to get out. "A lot of conservatives are saying, 'Enough's enough,' " he said. Asked about the reaction to his program, he said, "The White House is not happy about it."

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:29 PM
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1. Yep. It's a beautiful thing!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:34 PM
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3. I saw it.
It was indeed "a beautiful thing."
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Nickster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 02:32 PM
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2. Discussed that a little bit a day or two ago.

Replay of my previous comments:

The only problem is that the time has clearly
passed for them to honestly speak out against Dubya. Everytime I hear another Puke seem to come to their senses, I always think, where the hell have you been for the past 5-6 years?? Then I start to understand that their "speaking" out is just political bull puckey.

I don't want the general public to start thinking that these animals have finally awoken and realize that they are only speaking out because it is politically expedient and it becomes less and less dangerous to attack a lame duck President as his last term draws to a close. We have to keep reminding the public that their (politician, pundits, MSM, Republican voters) silence in the past and their votes is what allowed these criminal actions to happen in the first place. This White House couldn't have done any of this without their direct involvement and support.

If we allow them to forget and drive these people out of politics and the establishment overall, they are just going to resurface over and over. Look at how many of these people in the current administration are directly involved in Iran-Contra and how many were involved in Watergate? Honestly, did you ever imagine that some of these people would be so prominent in the political scene today? Oliver North, G.Gordon Liddy, Negroponte, etc, etc, etc. Why aren't these folks ridiculed and seen for the crooks they are? It's because we let people forget.

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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:01 PM
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4. Well I can see something sinister in about they will have
him step down because he has mental problems, Chaney takes the Pres. and brings Lieberman in as VP...I just can't see them turning on the President unless there is an advantage for them...KKKarl
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:04 PM
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5. Yes saw it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:22 PM
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6. they were for Bush before they were against him
Edited on Mon Aug-21-06 03:23 PM by bigtree
or something like that
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blue neen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 03:30 PM
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7. But, but, but Bush just can't articulate well!
That's what John Fund said.

No, John, the caption was on the money. Actually it should have said, "America thinks George Bush IS an idiot."
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