Should we put aside our differences with conservatives and go after Bush?

[BushOut06]

On my lunch break, I was scanning through the radio stations, and O'Reilly had some judge filling in for him on his show. I forget the guy's name, but he was assailing Bush for his abuses of civil liberties, with the warrantless wiretaps and going after internet records. He talked about Reagan's inaugural speech, about how the GOP stood for "less government", and asked How much are we going to allow Bush to get away with. He said how Bush's crimes are far worse than what Nixon was going to be impeached for.

We have Gingrich and Barr speaking out publicly against Bush. I know quite a few conservatives who are genuinely pissed at Bush for what he's doing. Maybe it's time for us to put aside our differences and work with these people to go after Bush. We don't have to abandon any of our core values to do so, we both have a common enemy in this case. Besides, we want to have some Republican support when we impeach Bush, regardless of if we have the majority or not. This isn't a partisan issue, it's an American issue - Bush is shredding the Constitution, and we need to work together to get rid of him and Cheney.

We can always go back to beating each other up once we get Chimp out of power.

[liveoaktx]

1. I think "conservative" is a misnomer-in many ways, I'm a conservative

for example, I like a balanced budget.

The difference that ought to be stressed is the far-right-wingers attitudes. I'm not giving up on going after them.

[BushOut06]

2. There is a difference between the religious RWers and fiscal conservatives

The religious RWers will never go after Bush, he's their King. I don't expect to see the senior GOP leadership go after him either. But there are plenty of GOP politicians out there who are fed up with Bush, whether they've come out publicly or not. It's these that we need to seek out and work together with.

[RufusEarl]

3. Conservatives

If some conservatives truly disagree with Bush, let them stand up and say so. Let them go on CNN and Faux and MSNBC and say so, if they're serious and have the convictions then by all means shout it loud and shout it proud we could use the help.

So far I haven't seen many that will do it, but it would let me know that they're serious about doing what's right for the country in contrast to what the RNC tell's them to do.

[BushOut06]

5. Pay attention, watch and see

Bob Barr and Newt Gingrich are already out there. Barr in particular is helping to leading the charge. I don't harbor any misconceptions that they aren't doing this for their own party's good, and I know they sure as hell aren't doing it for the Democrats' sake. But as I said, those are battles we can fight later.

Slowly but surely, you're seeing many GOP figures waking up and smelling something rotten. Don't use what you hear on Hannity or Limbaugh as a measuring stick, these guys would kiss Bush's ass all the way to the grave.

[RufusEarl]

12. Paying attention

I have been paying attention! You citied two republicans, that have said something against their fearless leader that's not a coupe.

I keep hearing about all these conservatives that are up in arms about what Bush has been doing, but I haven't seen or head them speak out. If they're so concerned about their president and his actions, them let them stand up!

Newt and Barr, making comments about this admin doesn't make me think it's anything but pre-election BS

[Benhurst]

6. Barr has spoken out against the so-called "Patriot Act" earlier

and stronger than all but a few of our people.

I didn't like it when he went after Clinton for lying about consensual sex; but he's going after Bush for lying now and stating that issues are even more serious in his case.

I think we should open-minded enough to at least support people with whom we may disagree on many issue, when they stand up for what is right.

[leeroysphitz]

4. The enemy of my enemy... n/t

[AZBlue]

7. Of course.

I for one don't believe in arguing against or fighting with a Republican just because they are a Republican. To me, that's just stupid. How will we ever create lasting change?? The balance of power is constantly in motion - they have it now, we will have it again, then they'll have it again. If it's always us vs. them, we'll never get anywhere. If only one party is always in charge that's tyranny. It's not good, no matter which party it is, and that's not how this country was founded. We're supposed to argue (politely), discuss, debate and converse.

We have to look at it issue by issue. On this issue we agree. On another one, we'll disagree. Dems don't even always agree with each other on every issue. Refusing to ever work with the other party on anything is a dangerous way to run a government.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. I agree with you

building bridges is constructive. Being constantly at "war" doesn't really help things. Lincoln once said that the way he destroyed his enemies was to make them friends.

[sandnsea]

11. They don't play that way

They tar and feather the entire party with the far left liberal label. That's how they've gained power. Now that we have them on the ropes, we have to put as many there with them as we can. What we're seeing IS the Republican Party and always has been. The Republicans who don't yet get that either need to in a hurry or go down with the ship.

[AZBlue]

14. No, not all of them do.

Unfortunately thanks to Bush & Co. and Delay and Abramoff and the rest, there are more Reps like that now than maybe ever before. A very sick philosophy has taken over the leadership of that party. But not all politicians with an "R" after their name fall in step with it. Just look at those who have spoken out against the NSA spying issue for example. I do think that we can work with some - not all - in the opposition party and should whenever we can. That doesn't mean that we fully let down our guard and/or we'll agree and work with them on the next issue. But, especially when we are the minority in Congress, it's beneficial to unite when possible. Just because they attack us without reason doesn't mean we have to do the same- when we can join forces without compromising our beliefs and goals, we should. Plus, that paves the way in working together more once this group of sick and corrupt politicians are taken out of power.

[rpgamerd00d]

8. Yes! (wink wink) We should definitely (nudge nudge) set aside our...

... differences (wink wink) and totally mend our ways to make compromises (wink wink) to accomodate the Conservatives (wink wink). I think its best for this country if we (wink wink) totally set aside our differences (nudge nudge) and work with them (wink wink).

p.s. dont worry about the (wink wink) and (nudge nudge) comments - "they" are too stupid to get what they mean.

:D

[sandnsea]

10. No, now its time to broaden the scope

They want us to fall for that trap, but Bush is no longer the target because he can't run anymore. Now is the time to label as much of the party as we can with the scandals and abuse of power that Bush has displayed. Sink the whole party once and for all. That's why they're piling on Bush, to try to distance the party from the Bush scandals. We can't fall for it. You don't get these political opportunities very often.

[ladjf]

13. If it would help to dethrone the current administration, yes.

[Servotron]

15. Here's how I see it.

Right now, I'd rather deal with conservatives that want Bush out than "Democrats" who defend his policies. This is a situation that transcends partisan politics. It is a question of whether the United States of America is allowed to become a totalitarian dictatorship. And anyone who defends the moves toward dictatorship is NOT on my side regardless of which party they claim to belong to.

Beyond that, it's only realistic to admit that Chimpeachment isn't going to get off the ground this year unless some Republicans wake up and initiate the process. Who's that guy from Texas who has been critical of Junior from day one? Ron Paul, I think? Maybe he can talk some of his fellow 'Pubbies into action.