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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:47 AM
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Sen George (Macaca) Allen's SISTER: 'My Brother Is A Bully & A Bigot'
GOP Senator George Allen's Sister Documents Her Brother's Bully Tactics:
"He Saw Dentistry As A Perfect Profession - Getting Paid To Make People Suffer"...
Huffington Post | Posted August 16, 2006

Senator George Allens racial remark to a 20 year old Indian man last week, has re-highlighted accusations that the Senator is a bully and a bigot. Senator Allens sister, Jennifer Allen, documents many cases of her brothers bullying in her book Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach's Daughter.

Read the excerpts below:

Explaining why she is scared of heights, Ms. Allen writes that Ever since my brother George held me over the railing at Niagara Falls, Ive had a fear of heights. (Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach's Daughter, page 43)

Referring to Georges relationship with one of her boyfriends: My brother George welcomed him by slamming a pool cue against his head. (Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach's Daughter, page 178)

Referring to Georges early leadership skills, Jennifer wrote: We all obeyed George. If we didn't, we knew he would kill us. Once, when Bruce refused to go to bed, George hurled him through a sliding glass door. Another time, when Gregory refused to go to bed, George tackled him and broke his collarbone. Another time, when I refused to go to bed, George dragged me up the stairs by my hair. Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach's Daughter, page 22.


more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/16/gop-senator-george-allen_n_27382.html
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:49 AM
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1. This guy is stark raving mad!
He doesn't belong in the US Senate
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nam78_two Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:30 PM
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77. Exactly what I was thinking!
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 03:31 PM by nam78_two
Good God...the guy is a psycho and a sadist .....
What is wrong with these people?

Whats wrong with a media that goes on and on about Gore's hairstyle and "stiffness" and gives creeps like this a free pass??
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:31 PM
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90. You may get your wish.
When he wins the White House in 2008, he'll have us lamenting the loss of Bush in less time than Bush had us pining for Reagan and Nixon.
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liberaldemocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:52 PM
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99. and the press gave Michael Jackson grief over hanging his baby over a rail
Explaining why she is scared of heights, Ms. Allen writes that Ever since my brother George held me over the railing at Niagara Falls, Ive had a fear of heights. (Fifth Quarter: The Scrimmage of a Football Coach's Daughter, page 43)


The press ought to take Allen to task for what he did to his sister, affecting her life for years.

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rrasile Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:07 AM
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117. Worthy of The Senate
The man's just perfect for congress. He does everything wrong, yet someone elected him. What I can't understand was how the Coach ever allowed him to live this long. If your sister doesn't have good things to write about you there has to be something wrong with this man's brain.
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elliswyatt Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:49 AM
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2. sounds like
pure evil to me. i hope this man becomes the nominee. how can you defend that?
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:04 PM
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11. I would have agreed with that 6 years ago
now... I don't know and don't care to find out.
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elliswyatt Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:34 PM
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26. well i was a kid
i didn't know stupid when i saw it back then. i hope the american idiotry has had enough of it though...
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:41 PM
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31. me too!
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 12:50 PM by unpossibles
welcome to DU!

EDIT:
I also hope we're done being stupid.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:39 PM
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29. you defend it with electronic voting machines
:grr:

welcome to DU! :toast:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:29 AM
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111. what do you mean?
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:14 AM
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123. in response to the query "how can you defend (allen's idiocy)"
you defend (allen's idiocy) with electronic voting machines. The support he may lose from his bullying/bigoted behavior could be recouped through corruption in the vote counting process.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:52 PM
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103. youthful indiscretions..
republican playbook, pp. 8.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:49 AM
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3. Sounds just like another George we all know and loathe.
.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:49 AM
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4. Oh my goodness
I knew he was insane, but I didn't know he was *that* insane.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:19 PM
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19. Batshit crazy and hiding behind the flag and the cross
That's why he'll be Stupid's successor.
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Iowa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:00 PM
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68. Actually, these are NOT symptoms of mental illness...
These are character and personality traits. George Allen has a history of malevolent, malicious, depraved, & vicious behavior. The only link between sadistic cruelty and mental illness is in "Dirty Harry" types of movies.

George Allen is an asshole without a conscience. I have known hundreds of people with mental illness through my work, and only a very few were like George Allen... which only demonstrates that vicious assholes are susceptible to mental illness, just like the rest of us. The vast majority of people with mental illness are very good and decent people.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:09 AM
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110. He Doesn't Have A Mental Illness He Is A Narcissistic Jerk
Me Me Me Me. His daddy let this little tyrant run wild and he is a three year old with a fucking attitude. Somebody needed to sit this little shit down and tell him the world don't revolve around you sunshine. Get that? Now shut the fuck up.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:58 AM
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121. Lots of 3 yr. olds with attitude in need of that message.
And 5 and 7 year old too. Too many parents just tuning their kids out - so the kids rarely speak in less than a scream, and find that being bad is the quickest, if not the only way, to get parental attention. Kids are being raised with this sense of entitlement to be constantly entertained and catered to. I often want to go up to tables in restaurants with 1 or 2 adults and 1 or more screaming, misbehaving kids and ask, "Who's the adult here?"
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #121
125. Where's Willy Wonka when you need him?
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:49 AM
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5. Yikes! Felix is freaking insane and a bigot!
:scared:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:52 AM
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6. in other words, the perfect republican
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:55 AM
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9. Yep. nt
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:54 AM
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7. That dude has a problem.
When you have relatives warning you about a candidate, that's not good. I'm surprised he has made it as far as he did.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:35 PM
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28. sociopath or psychopath? Can't decide? Let's send a tape to Frist.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:41 AM
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113. A psychopath is virtually incapable of pretending to be 'normal',
whereas the ability to pretend to be normal (socially adjusted) is a primary characteristic of a sociopath. This goes hand in hand with continuous lying and deceiving.


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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:55 AM
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8. allen is a sadistic bastard.
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:58 AM
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10. And we all thought
catkiller Frist was bad! They are all insane, no wonder they hate peace and love war so much, it satisfies their killer instincts. They actually get a kick out of watching people suffer.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:31 PM
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78. Explains why they get off on the death penalty too.
nt.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:18 PM
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86. Until an army recruiter shows up at their door.
Then they'll become pacifist.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:05 PM
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12. Pretty much sums up the basic mentality you have to have...
to subscribe to neo-con ideologies, if you ask me (think John Bolton)....or most rapepublicons for that matter.

Doesn't surprise me in the least.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:05 PM
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13. He is a terrorist and in violation of Patriot Act! This is no joke
I am so tired of hearing this God awful stories of American Citizens standing up for justice only to be accused of being a terrorist. The truth is, this senator is in direct violation of USA PATRIOT ACT OF 2001 SEC. 102 and I think he needs to be arrested. I am not kidding!

http://www.justlawlinks.com/ACTS/patriot-act-index.htm



I do not know why he has not been arrested.......oh I forgot ...they are all claiming themselves above the law! Bullshit! This makes me so angry!
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:33 PM
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24. Use their own bullshit against them...
Please read previous post.....Just wanted to make it clear why I brought up Patriot Act.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:56 PM
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35. he hasn't been arrested because it isn't against the law
section 102 doesn't make it illegal to be a jerk, it simply condemns discrimination without making it illegal.
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lisainmilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:38 PM
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43. The law states
any acts of violence or discrimination against any Americans be condemned.

Merriam-Webster dictionary: (definition 3a) reads: the act, practice or instance of discriminating categorically rather than individually. (b) reads: predjudiced or predjudial outlook, action or treatment<racial discrimination. For further definition of the term see link.


http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/discriminating


It was clear, though he has since apologized that this was a racial instance of predjudicism.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:49 PM
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67. right, but condemning does not equal criminalizing
I don't disagree that it's discrimination, just that the law doesn't make discrimination illegal. In this case the condemnation is an expression of disapproval, since the legislation neither imposes or suggests any penalty for such discrimination.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:46 PM
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102. Did he apologize? Or did he tell his PR man to "handle it?"
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:18 PM
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57. Sec 102 is just rambling...
Congress is saying this is a bad thing. There's no punishment or teeth to it.

-Hoot
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:08 PM
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14. There are people who are like this from birth--and they don't change
they just learn to hide it a little better as they grow up.
George Allen is one. George W. Bush is another.
One day I hope there will be a test that can diagnose congenital asshole syndrome, so at least the rest of us can know who were dealing with.
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:52 PM
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34. If these two didn't have wealthy parents, they
would have been in jail long ago.

I just wonder how many people Allen physically hurt and/or raped....he is a sadistic psycho. I hope the VA voters see the light and kick his ass out!
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:12 PM
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15. Did you notice the Bush like grin on George's face when he was
calling that 20 year old guy "Macaca" on the video they showed on TV? Allen knew exactly what he was doing. Trying to score some points with his red neck base...I think so.
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Z_I_Peevey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
80. Yes, it was very striking, that expression of smug
satisfaction. He most certainly knew exactly what he was doing.
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SupplySideLiberal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:34 PM
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128. That expression was ugly.
It showed him having a laugh and taking pleasure in humiliating someone he obviously thought of as as an inferior being. Pretty sick stuff if you ask me.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:35 PM
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91. The "macaca" comment was just part of it.
People can debate what the hell Allen meant by "macaca", but I thought his "Welcome to America" comment was most telling. Just because the guy didn't fit Allen's profile for a good American, he must be a foreigner. Definitively racist. The macaca statement just expands the degree.
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SupplySideLiberal Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-18-06 12:30 PM
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127. I agree 100%
Saying "welcome to America" to a citizen because he happens to be of Indian origin? You're required to look like Allen to qualify as an American? Vey low, nasty, stuff. He never admitted the venality of this verbal assault and never truly apologized for it. Until he does he's unfit for public service.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:14 PM
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16. Sounds like a disciple of Dobson's theory of discipline.
And remember, Tom DeLay doesn't get along with his family, either. Hasn't spoken to his mother in years. His mother, for crying out loud. What did she do to deserve that; stop him from huffing the Raid?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:16 PM
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17. As the Daily Show pointed out last night,
it remains to be seen whether Allen's racist nuttiness will help or hurt him.
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:17 PM
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18. Dangerous psycho
I hope the voters of Virginia come to realize what a sadistic headcase this guy is and shun him.

The reviews on Amazon are worth checking out, too.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:21 PM
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20. One good Amazon review: Appalling, but very Republican
"Appalling, but very Republican", May 26, 2006

<snip>

Sounds like Ms. Allen experienced a typical Republican upbringing - a way of raising children that has created self-centered, violent politicians and which has brought our beloved country to this constitutional crisis.

:rofl:

Did you write that, Klook?
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klook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:39 PM
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30. Wish I could claim credit
but no, I didn't write any of these reviews. That one was my favorite, too.

Reading about this book I was reminded of The Great Santini by Pat Conroy. It must be harrowing to grow up in a household with so much coldness, humiliation, and violence. I really feel sorry for people who have this kind of family life--even for the parents and the mean siblings, but especially for the ones who bear the brunt of the abuse, as Jennifer Allen did.

Another fascinating/horrifying story of a child surviving emotional abuse is Thin Ice by Bruce McCall, the brilliant New Yorker artist and writer.
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:58 PM
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36. haha
:rofl:
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:24 PM
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21. Recently she's distanced herself from those
comments. Nevertheless, interesting that the book was published in 2000, the year he first ran for the Senate. You'd think knowing the political damage that stuff could cause, she'd have left it out. The fact that she didn't speaks volumes.
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:27 PM
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22. During one of his campaigns
he said, when talking about liberals; "we need to knock their soft teeth down their wimpy liberal throats"
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:52 AM
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119. My Reply To George Allen
"Don't sing it. Bring It, tough guy." He's probably never been in a fight, in his whole life, that he knew ahead of time was no contest. I'd annihilate him.
The Professor
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maxrandb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 09:38 AM
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120. Well, apparently, he was adept at beating up girls.
Just ask his sister.

George Allen is a sick, twisted fuck. To think he would have any chance of becoming President of the United States makes we want to resign my commission and move to Switzerland.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:27 PM
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23. this can all be easily explained -HE THOUGHT IT WAS A MOHAWK!!!
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bumblebee1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:34 PM
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25. This brings me to one question.....
Where the bloody hell were his parents when he was pulling that crap with his brother and sister? His father spent too much time looking at game films and not enough time putting a boot up young George's ass.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:51 PM
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33. Dad rarely home. On the road.
In the book the sister, the only girl by the way, talks about a woman who used to show up at the stadium back entrance after each Rams home game with a plate of homemade brownies for the team. One day after a loss she offered a brownie to Coach Allen and he wouldn't take it. Said he didn't deserve it because the team lost. This was a guy who lived and breathed football and who believed winning was "the only thing." He had no time for his family.

Mom had her hands full raising 4 kids by herself. If you think George was bad growing up, you should have seen his brother Greg - huge troublemaker from the get-go.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:03 PM
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37. He may have learned his aggression from his father
the idea that "stern disciplinarians" don't raise violent abusive kids is at the very least unproven.

But I still lean to the theory that George was probably born with a sadistic streak, taking pleasure in the pain and humiliation of others. This tendency could also be evident in the father and might have something to do with his success as a football coach.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:34 PM
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27. whatta guy.....
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 12:48 PM by shanti
:puke: is this the same george allen who used to coach the NFL Rams??

on edit: never mind, his FATHER was george allen.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:42 PM
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32. So much for his Presidential aspirations.
eom
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:04 PM
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53. I would say the GOP found a perfect candidate
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 02:08 PM by aint_no_life_nowhere
the perfect follow-up to the Psyco-Chimp. All he needs to do now is talk to God and sound like a bumpkin and the right wingers will be slobbering all over themselves to get him elected.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:14 PM
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38. Yes, he's a psychotic sociopath...
much like the whack job in chief. You can see it in their eyes. Vacant and detached. Devoid of any human feelings.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:22 PM
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39. "He Saw Dentistry As A Perfect Profession - Getting Paid..."
"He Saw Dentistry As A Perfect Profession - Getting Paid To Make People Suffer"

Then maybe we need to feed him to Audrey II.

"If you want a rationale
it isn't very hard to see, no no no
Stop and think it over, pal;
The guy sure looks like plant food to me...."




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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #39
64. Well, I don't know if my profession is perfect,...
...but does this mean I'm actually a Republican? ;)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:29 PM
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89. "When dems are elected, first we kill all the dentists" :-)
Then adopt a British-style universal health-care system. ;-)

Up against the wall, cavity-suckah!

(Which leads to a question -- were Bush's wisdom teeth removed?)
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:18 PM
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96. Naw, just means I'm a Little Shop of Horrors fan.
:D
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drbtg1 Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 08:43 AM
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118. Yeah, yeah. LSoH, Bill Cosby, Marathon Man
Everybody always brings them up. But nobody mentions the best dentist movie ever.

The Whole Nine Yards!

If you've seen it, you'll know why I say that. ;)
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:26 PM
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40. I Think This Book Came Out in September 2000
Sadly, it didn't seem to derail Allen's last Senatorial campaign.

Was there ANY media coverage of this book in VA around that time, does anyone know?

DTH
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:40 PM
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45. It didn't have Sidarth to combine
it with and bring it into the limelight. Sometimes these revelations need a catalyst.
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:28 PM
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41. Sis may have cost him the presidency

She has paid him back for all the hair-pulling and noogies.
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rhombus Donating Member (678 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:28 PM
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42. Allen is definitely out of running for the GOP nomination
Too much baggage.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:38 PM
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44. I'd say that's way beyond "bully
and a bigot"..charging into "assails with intent to do bodily harm"!

This guy seems perfectly type cast for a bushbot.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:43 PM
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46. Oh come on!
I don't like the guy anymore than the rest of you, but this is a stupid accusation to use to attack him.

I fought with my brothers and sisters growing up as well and my older brother had me getting stitches several times. I'm sure I could write a book making him look really bad, but in reality he isn't at all.

Jeesh, get real.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:50 PM
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47. So, your brother
...had you living in fear of death? This is what you're saying?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:53 PM
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49. Easy BS - This might be one of those "special" posters.
Or s/he might simply be speaking sarcastically.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:55 PM
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51. I am not speaking sarcastically.
I'm just extremely tired of these stupid double standard attacks.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:57 PM
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52. Well there you go then. lol!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:00 PM
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95. The book shows his comments were not an isolated case. It points
out that he had a sadistic streak as a kid, and it appears he may not have outgrown it.

I was hell on wheels when I was a kid. My fighting was so bad that I got paddled everyday in the sixth grade. I have no memory of the sixth grade. I learned of those days from others. I was not a bully, infact I targeted bullies.

One day the fighting stopped. I just dropped the anger.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:55 PM
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108. What "double standard" are you talking about???
Do you even know what a "double standard" is?
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:54 PM
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50. I'm saying this is a stupid attack.
And yes, sometimes my brother did have me living in fear. I don't even know if all of the quotes can be attributed to the Senator and not his father.

I'm so sick of all of this stupid bickering. Why don't we just start investigating every politicians childhood and look for anyone that will say they did something bad. Heck, if we want to use this standard, I guess we can say that George Soros is a Nazi and Senator Byrd is a Grand Kleagle of the KKK.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:09 PM
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54. Dude
I hate to break it to you but if your brother had you living in fear for your life, it's not okay. Did he ever apologize? This is not okay behavior. This is not boys being boys. This is sadism. I had brothers too but they never treated me the way you describe. My parents would have never allowed that.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:13 PM
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56. Hey, I admit it was rough being the youngest of 6,
Although you have to understand that brothers fighting and picking on each other is not that abnormal.

That is beside the point. I'm not holding anything shy of a felony offense against someone on something they did as a child. If you insist on doing that, then I fully expect you to do the same thing against people you agree with politically as well.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:21 PM
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58. Okay, I'll bite
Tell me the childhood crimes of the people you say I am political agreement with.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:25 PM
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60. What are you biting at?
As I stated CLEARLY I'm not interested in calling people psychotic for things they may have done while growing up as a child and using it politically.

You can look into anyones childhood and come up with any number of things to lambast them about and many far worse than the accusations I've seen here. The only reason its being done is because you disagree with him politically.

If you want to lambast him, use the Macaca statement. That is actually valid.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:36 PM
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63. No, you are wrong
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 02:37 PM by blogslut
If I knew a person was cruel like that in their youth, I would not vote for them, no matter what political ideals they possess today. Not unless they publicly confessed - as Senator Byrd did - and worked to amend their crimes.

I really gotta ask again and you don't have to answer but, did your brother ever apologize for torturing the baby of the family?
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:49 PM
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66. He didn't really apologize, I guess.
But when I was 16 he threw a mug at me that hit me in the head and I gave him a beating that was inspired by years of frustration.

lol, he told me, "I guess I shouldn't have thrown that mug at you."

That was his way of apologizing and he never picked on me again.

You got me sidetracked, but my point remains the same. My brother isn't who he was when he was growing and I'm not either.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:03 PM
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70. Well, I'm glad you made peace
I am sorry I sidetracked you.

Many people outgrow the crimes of their youth. On the other hand, some people instead, merely conceal their inner asshole so they can participate in society. Sadly, they never stop being the bastard they were when they were young. They just hide it until pushed or until they are in settings where the behavior is accepted. Allen apparently felt comfortable enough to look over a sea of white faces and humiliate the brown fellow.

I don't know the man but from all I've read, he doesn't appear to have changed much since he was a hair-pulling, brother-throwing boy.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 11:24 AM
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126. Wait a minute
I agree that many people may have been subject to cruelty from their older brothers (or sisters) while growing up. Usually, however, such incidents take place far from the reach of parental supervision. The parent only finds out about it when the abused younger sibling comes home crying (or is taken to the hospital).

I visited Niagara Falls as a child. I was with my aunt and uncle and my four cousins. They shared the usual childhood rivalries.

But if ANY member of our happy little party had HELD A SMALLER CHILD OVER THE FRIKKIN FALLS, I assure you, our next stop would have been a psychiatric hospital, where the perpetrator would have been checked in for emergency treatment.

Or are we assuming that the Allen children went to see Niagara Falls without any adults along in the party?

And if the sister made up the Niagara Falls story, why was no retraction demanded, and why would she hold so much venom for her brother after all those years? (We can all point to something rotten our siblings did to us, but most of us can counterbalance it with nice things they did. Why were the Allen children apparently such mortal enemies, and why would they be that even in adulthood?)
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:11 PM
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55. Many of us don't consider this behavior to be normal
I grew up with two sisters and a brother. We had our tug of wars and a fight here and there, but this mutherfucker is a sadistic fuck and I know my parents would not have tolerated this sadistic behavior for one second.

This man belongs in a mental institution, not in public office.

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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:22 PM
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59. I would say your older brother must have been an abuser....
to have you getting stitches several times. All siblings fight and most of the time it is verbal but to hit someone hard enough for stitches is abuse. George Allen sounds like he was an out of control bully and abuser, according to his sister.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:26 PM
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61. This is NOT normal rough and tumble kid play
I'd be seeking psychiatric help if one of mine behaved like this.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:33 PM
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62. Would you then tell him to never run for political office?
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:22 PM
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87. Yes, unless I was sure he'd been able to successfully treat
and control the problem.

Doesn't sound like Allen is even admitting the problem.

Are you an Allen fan or something?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:46 AM
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116. No, it's not. And, I am a child psychologist.
This is the behavior of a sociopath.

I had three brothers. I never feared for my life with any of them.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:12 PM
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72. Some of us are a little more familiar with the beast within.
Anger and hatred are very integral parts of one's personality. They never go away, they can only be controlled and held back. One day at a time. And some people are naturally endowed with an abundance of anger. I think Allen fits this profile. Rage seeks outlets, and it will have them. Maybe he supplanted his needs for physical dominance and violence with racial hatreds and verbal assaults. Maybe he hasn't. Maybe he struck a balance between the two.

Or perhaps he has put it behind him and he is somehow exempt from the same psychological rules that govern the rest of the human race.

But the main point of the article here is that his actions and his rage permanently divided him and his sister. Perhaps she is just a very unforgiving person, or perhaps his rage was such that it is truly unforgivable.

Me and my brother beat the tar out of each other when we were little. But never to the point where we never forgave each other and went so far as to try and sabotage the other's professional career. The ties of family are strong. Very strong. They are not broken idly.

I will grant that this is an unfair line of attack if one believes that people can truly change, and that this man has changed and has brought his rage under control.

Some of us however do not believe people can change. The wrappings may change, but the contents remain the same. A person may learn occasionally, but the core is and will be as it always has. If your view of human nature is a little more pessimistic, and a little more realistic, then this line of attack is fair game.
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:15 PM
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73. How do you know she didn't forgive him?
Seriously? The book is about her relationship with her father and how it was to grow up as the daughter of an NFL legend.

I think many are just using it to attack someones actions when they were a child without really knowing anything about it.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:21 PM
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74. She put it out during his Senate campaign
If that is what relatives on good relations with each other do ...

What kind of family did you grow up in? Christ!
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BuhByeChimp Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:27 PM
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75. Are you that eager to villianize him?
Why make the assumption on this without having the knowledge to know if what you say is true? Do you have to be divisive before anything else?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:44 AM
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115. Dude, he's a racist POS who tortured his siblings. He's not fit to take
out the garbage, let alone hold office.

Why are you so eager to defend him? Most people on this site despise him.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:24 PM
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88. I'd say the racist outburst the other day could be a sign that
he has yet to get himself under control.

Many people are the smiling, "just-kidding" type of bullies. Doesn't make them less bullying.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:28 PM
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76. If my mother ran for office, I would let everyone know just how two-faced
she really is.

Believe me when I say that we really, really should pay attention to these things when they come from a member of the guy's own family.

Senator Allen sounds, per his own sister, to be an abusive, dangerously unbalanced individual who should never have been allowed a single jot of political power.

YOU get real. She seems to have at one point feared for her life.

NOT a man who should hold any form of political office. Period.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 01:52 PM
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48. Is this an Onion article? Sheesh.
My god republicans are pathetic excuses for people.
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NobleCynic Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:44 PM
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65. Pacifists take note:
Guys like this show the failings in pacifism. Pricks like this don't just go away. Unfortunately they respect only force. Anyone who treats others with such disrespect and physically assaults his family should have had his teeth kicked in long ago.

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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:11 PM
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71. I was against fighting from the beginning.
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 03:12 PM by Mr_Spock
Still am.

But when people started pushing me because I did not want to fight, I had to make a choice. I ended up having to cross the line & had nearly a dozen fights through my youth. It's empowering when you stand up to someone knowing they are just bluffing, & I knew what to do if they weren't. I've learned to make people back-down instead of fighting or me having to back down. I agree with you - pacifism is NOT good for the ego & makes one susceptible to being hurt by others.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:02 PM
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69. Why isn't this violent assaulter in jail?
This son of a bitch ought to be in jail where he can't hurt anyone, not in the Senate destroying our country's image.

What is wrong with this country?

I guess too many vengeful bigots voting.
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:33 PM
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79. Kudos to Jon Stewart for making it yesterdays DS opening story
including the video. Should make it a no brainer for his
constituents to Lamont him out.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:06 AM
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122. You joined and donated!
Welcome to the Democratic Underground :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce:
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thoughttheater Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:45 PM
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81. Allen & Wadhams: Bully, Bully
The offensive remarks made by Senator George Allen have all the makings of a Dick Wadhams campaign. Wadhams cut his political teeth in Colorado and has been seen as the person behind the rise of Senator Wayne Allard, a Colorado veterinarian. Wadhams went on to orchestrate the campaign against Tom Daschle in South Dakota and is now leading Allen's reelection effort.

Dick Wadhams is a man many have called Karl Rove's protg. During Wadhams work in Colorado for Senator Wayne Allard's 2002 reelection, he gave one of the most acerbic victory speeches I have ever witnessed. While gloating at the defeat of Ted Strickland, his comments were vile and hateful. The man is Karl Rove absent a scintilla of decorum and decency...if you can imagine that! It appears that George Allen believes that two bullies are better than one.

Read full article here:

www.thoughttheater.com
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Hawaii Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:56 PM
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82. Wow, George Allen = Max Cady
Deniro's character from "Cape Fear"....

Yeah, ole George is one of those holier than thou right-wing holligans, but he sure as hell isn't practicing what he's preaching is he now?...
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brentblack Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:02 PM
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83. Standard
I see this behavior in men on both sides of the political aisle. I am from Georgia where most folks are Democrat...even though many act like republicans.

Anytime you have someone like this (prestige, elite childhood, big and aggressive) you will have behavior like Allen. I knew he was sort of a jerk for many years, but I had no idea he was this bad. I will almost always trust the word of a sibling - especially when it does not benefit them.

This guy is obviously an arrogant, abusive bully. However, I cannot drop this image on all repubs since all the bullies I knew growing up (and they usually had a bully father) were from democratic backgrounds.

Hopefully, this will be his albatross. We do not need another bully fratboy in power.
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:04 PM
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84. Another psychotic in a party that attracts them like flies to dog crap.
x(
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:11 PM
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85. This guy is the politician in Steven King's DEAD ZONE
Anybody remember?
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:44 AM
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114. Oh - that is good! Yes I remember, and he seems worse than that awful guy.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:37 PM
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92. I Sure Hope This Is Gonna Build This Fire A Lot Bigger!
I have never been able to stand this guy, and I do like Webb. I understand Webb used to be a Repuke so that's even more important!

Need to keep this front AND center! HIKE!!
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bpj1962 Donating Member (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:40 PM
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93. Bully
George Allen is a bully plain and simple. One has to merely look at his record as Governor of Virginia to see that. I have been screaming from the roof tops about this guy for years and it takes this incident to make people realize just how dangerous he is. He reminds me of Martin Sheens character in the "Dead Zone" and quite frankly that frightens me. He is an overgrown jock who got his way because of his name. He had a reputation as a womanizer when he was in the Virginia House of Delegates and I am sure he still looks at himself as a stud. He is very dangerous and if we aren't careful he could very well be the next republican candidate for president. He is a political opportunist and he will do whatever it takes to get what he wants. As a life long Virginian I want him gone as quickly as possible.
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 04:40 PM
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94. I think the most damning story about Allen is...
... the 'graffiti' story from his high school football days in SoCal. I remember a DUer, who went to the same school, posting about it quite a few months back.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:36 PM
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97. Another DUer
or maybe it was the same one, remarked how they saw Allen on a gold course one day and he made a snide comment about how the place had changed. The DUer was black and I believe the club had previously been a whites only establishment.

Some people hide their racism well. Allen isn't really very subtle about it. I mean, he named one of his kids after Nathan Befford Forest for God's sake, the founder of the KKK!
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:23 PM
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104. That was me. That story finally made it into
print in The New Republic in April. Allen admitted the graffiti, but denied it was racist. However, 5 classmates (other than me) and a former school administrator corroborated that it was, indeed, racist. The author of the story, Ryan Lizza, carefully researched it, quoted classmates by name, and revealed Allen's whole sordid history of love for the Confederacy.
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Hatalles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:28 PM
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105. Ah, good... so it's out there at least.
I remember you had mentioned you were speaking with a reporter at the time... It amazes me how this guy is being considered as a potential GOP nominee.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 05:52 PM
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98. Man, I thought I had it bad when my brother
would pin me down and let drool dangle and suck it back up (although not always catching it. Yuck! but this is nothing compared to the lunatic Allen. What is it with these Neocons? They all have sadistic and repressed traits that they use on others. Today's bullies =future GOP.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:40 PM
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101. All I ever did was ignore my little sister...
...and I've take years of greif for that. I'm buying his syster's book with and inscribint it,
"Hey, it could have been worse, Your disinerested brother"...but then I'd be paying attention to her.
No book :evilgrin:

Jim Webb is the best thing to happen to the Democratic Party in Virginia since Doug Wilder won the
Governor's race back in the day (1989). Webb is a breath of fresh air and will trounce Allen. I
thought it would take calling Allen out at their first October debate but Allen will be a nervous
wreck (actually he'll be fully symptomatic) by that time. "Dude Ranch" George is the nick name now.

Maybe
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 06:33 PM
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100. Oh, you'll want to see this....

DOWN WITH TYRANNY

(blog)
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2006/06/webb-lets-george-felix-allen-know-that.html

WEBB LETS GEORGE FELIX ALLEN KNOW THAT HIS ROLE IN
VA SENATE RACE IS TO BE A PUNCHING BAG AND LAUGHING STOCK


One of Webb's senior aides tweaked Allen by continually using his much-hated middle name (which kids in elementary school used to call him when they would beat him up everyday, which is what made him turn to right-wing notions and, eventually, the Republican Party), "While Jim Webb and others of George Felix Allen Jr.'s generation were fighting for our freedoms and for our symbols of freedom in Vietnam, George Felix Allen Jr. was playing cowboy at a dude ranch in Nevada."

Referring to Allen's laughable press release as "weak-kneed attacks by cowards," Webb's aide reminded Felix that "people who live in glass dude ranches should not question the patriotism of real soldiers who fought and bled for this country on a real battlefield."

Wow! I bet Allen, who is best known for dealing with his profound feelings of inadequacy by beating up and torturing his sister-- who wrote a book about what a pathetic psychopath he is-- wishes he was never born. (You hadn't heard about the Virginia Senator who would be president who was already showing signs of psychopathic sadism when he was just a monstrous little punk? Perhaps you need to read his younger sister's book, FIFTH QUARTER: THE SCRIMMAGE OF A FOOTBALL COACH'S DAUGHTER. In it George Felix's younger sister Jennifer, exposes him as a sadist who routinely attacked his younger siblings, once dangling her over Niagara Falls by the feet, beating her boyfriend over the head with a pool cue, throwing their younger brother Brice through a glass door, dragging the children around the house by their hair, etc. "George hoped someday to become a dentist," she wrote. "George said he saw dentistry as a perfect profession-- getting paid to make people suffer."
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Entire Statement from Webb Campaigh:

June 29, 2006
Webb Campaign Assails Allen Camp for Insensitivity on New Orleans; Attack on
Military Values

http://www.webbforsenate.com/press/release.php?id=60

Arlington, VAThe U.S. Senate campaign of Jim Webb today condemned comments made by Dick Wadhams, campaign manager to Sen. George Felix Allen Jr. for their insensitivity to victims in New Orleans and for Wadhams backhanded slap at military values in attacking Webbs role in the movie Rules of Engagement.

On Thursday, after Gov. Mark Warner and Webb remarked to reporters that the devastation in New Orleans was inexcusable ten months after Hurricane Katrina devastated the city, Wadhams issued a statement mocking Webb for standing up for the city.

We want to congratulate Hollywood movie producer James H. Webb Jr. for finally taking a stand on the issue. We now know that he is opposed to the devastation in New Orleans, Wadhams said.

Wadhams, of course, is wrong once again. In April of this year, after visiting New Orleans, Webb more than took a stand, he called for full funding of a program to rebuild New Orleans levees to tighter federal standards at a cost of $6 billion more than the Bush Administration and George Felix Allen Jr. wanted to spend.

At the time, Webb said, Six billion dollars is about what were paying every month in an unnecessary war in Iraq. For that amount, we can build the kind of levee system that should have been in place before Katrina, if national leaders had given Americas infrastructure needs their proper priorities. Without a levee system that meets the standards now being discussed, the people of New Orleans will remain hostages to slipshod planning.

By contrast, Allen opposed several funding measures for the victims of Hurricane Katrina. The people of New Orleans still suffer and Dick Wadhams makes light of it.

The insensitivity of George Felix Allen Jr.s campaign toward the 800,000 victims in New Orleans is startling. Ten months after the hurricane, tens of thousands are still displaced and virtually nothing is being rebuilt. But once again, in an attempt for political gain, the Allen camp through Wadhams mocks Jim Webbs legitimate concerns for the people there, Webb spokesperson Steve Jarding said, Why would Dick Wadhams minimize the suffering of the people of New Orleans?

Jarding also took issue with Wadhams attempt to attack Webb as a Hollywood movie producer for Webbs role in the film Rules of Engagement.

What part of Rules of Engagement did George Felix Allen Jr. and his insensitive mouthpiece Dick Wadhams not respect military service? Patriotism? Honor? Valor? We know that George Felix Allen Jr. spent much of the Vietnam War years on a dude ranch in Nevada and chose not to serve, but his continued silence as his key staff dismiss military personnel and their patriotism is beginning to shine a very unfavorable light on Senator Dude Ranch, Jarding said.

Before Dick Wadhams belittles Jim Webbs writings on Vietnam and thus Webbs service in the military, he should read some of Webbs writings about the war including Webbs book, Fields of Fire, which is considered the classic novel of the Vietnam War. Perhaps then he would not be so quick to make light of the contributions these writings have done for the hundreds of thousands of men and women who did serve, Jarding said.

Wadhams inaccurate representation of Jim Webbs Hurricane Katrina relief position represents Wadhams third mistake in a week. First, he attempted to discredit a highly respected pollster who released a poll showing George Felix Allen Jr. in trouble. Then he launched a cowardly attack on Jim Webbs patriotism, a highly decorated Marine and a former Secretary of the Navy.

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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:43 PM
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106. Right along with the boy king and blowing up frogs. Coupla assholes.
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Mendocino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 11:23 PM
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107. ......are now republicans.
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 11:25 PM by Mendocino
I remember a good blog. It went something like this:

Remember your youth, all those assholes, bullies, jerks . Now
fast forward. I'll bet you dollars to donuts, they are now
republicans.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 12:00 AM
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109. K & R !
Because people need to read this..
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 07:41 AM
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112. In other words he meets the MAIN criteria for being a Republican- crazy as
a bat. Re: Mann Coulter, Savage, etc. The Republicans not only allow - but encourage - obviously deranged people to be their spokesmen. Says everything about them.
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-17-06 10:21 AM
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124. Holy shit.
Out of control.
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