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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:23 AM
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Hot Dogs May Cause Genetic Mutations
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 06:55 AM by leftchick
http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20060814/sc_space/hotdogsmaycausegeneticmutations

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Everyone knows hot dogs aren't exactly healthy for you, but in a new study chemists find they may contain DNA-mutating compounds that might boost one's risk for cancer.

Scientists note there is an up to 240-fold variation in levels of these chemicals across different brands.

"One could try and find out what the difference in manufacturing techniques are between the brands, and if it's decided these things are a hazard, one could change the manufacturing methods," researcher Sidney Mirvish, a chemist at the University of Nebraska Medical Center in Omaha, told LiveScience.

Mirvish and his colleagues examined hot dogs because past research had linked them with colon cancer. Hot dogs are preserved with sodium nitrite, which can help form chemicals known as N-nitroso compounds, most of which cause cancer in lab animals.

Extracts from hot dogs bought from the supermarket, when mixed with nitrites, resulted in what appeared to be these DNA-mutating compounds. When added to Salmonella bacteria, hot dog extracts treated with nitrites doubled to quadrupled their normal DNA mutation levels. Triggering DNA mutations in the gut might boost the risk for colon cancer, the researchers explained.



.... We know Nitrites Cause Cancer. So Why are we still putting it in food. It is in a lot of processed meat, not just hot dogs....

Consumer Warning:
Processed Meats Cause Cancer

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Processed meat consumption results in 67% increase in pancreatic cancer risk, says new research
Consuming processed meats increases the risk of pancreatic cancer, says new research conducted at the University of Hawaii that followed nearly 200,000 men and women for seven years. According to lead study author Ute Nothlings, people who consumed the most processed meats (hot dogs and sausage) showed a 67% increased risk of pancreatic cancer over those who consumed little or no meat products.

But researchers failed to accurately identify the culprit responsible for this increased risk of pancreatic cancer, says one author. The true cause of the heightened cancer risk is the widespread use of a carcinogenic precursor ingredient known as sodium nitrite by food processing companies, says nutritionist Mike Adams, author of the just-published Grocery Warning manual.

Nearly all processed meats are made with sodium nitrite: breakfast sausage, hot dogs, jerkies, bacon, lunch meat, and even meats in canned soup products. Yet this ingredient is a precursor to highly carcinogenic nitrosamines -- potent cancer-causing chemicals that accelerate the formation and growth of cancer cells throughout the body. When consumers eat sodium nitrite in popular meat products, nitrosamines are formed in the body where they promote the growth of various cancers, including colorectal cancer and pancreatic cancer, says Adams.

"Sodium nitrite is a dangerous, cancer-causing ingredient that has no place in the human food supply," he explains. The USDA actually tried to ban sodium nitrite in the 1970's, but was preempted by the meat processing industry, which relies on the ingredient as a color fixer to make foods look more visually appealing. "The meat industry uses sodium nitrite to sell more meat products at the expense of public health," says Adams. "And this new research clearly demonstrates the link between the consumption of processed meats and cancer."

http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/processedmeat050305.cfm


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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:25 AM
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1. My God is that what makes those people at games at like that?
Fast acting also.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:38 PM
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45. Yep. Baseball fans are genetic mutants.
:evilgrin:
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #45
51. And it is the hot dogs that do it. Just think what this could mean to
camping with your kids .
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:26 AM
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2. :::::hugs her Boca:::::
:)
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:28 AM
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3. Indeed.
I always appreciated the line at meet your meat about Slim Jims "All the stuff they don't put into Hot Dogs"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:37 AM
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5. lol!
gross
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gogo69 Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #5
34. well, duh?!
what the heck is even in those things anyway??
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:37 PM
Response to Reply #34
48. slim jims are just full of chemicals, no one should eat those
things.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:30 AM
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4. That explains
my three eyes, my four legs, all the moles on my feet...and the hair all over my body...

I'm sueing BallPark franks!!!...damn it!

Nah, just kidding...good thing I eat brauts...or are brauts dangerous also?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:44 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. read the label
nitrites are put into a lot of processed meats. It isn't just hot dogs.

<snip>

Processed meat consumption results in 67% increase in pancreatic cancer risk, says new research
Consuming processed meats increases the risk of pancreatic cancer, says new research conducted at the University of Hawaii that followed nearly 200,000 men and women for seven years. According to lead study author Ute Nothlings, people who consumed the most processed meats (hot dogs and sausage) showed a 67% increased risk of pancreatic cancer over those who consumed little or no meat products.

But researchers failed to accurately identify the culprit responsible for this increased risk of pancreatic cancer, says one author. The true cause of the heightened cancer risk is the widespread use of a carcinogenic precursor ingredient known as sodium nitrite by food processing companies, says nutritionist Mike Adams, author of the just-published Grocery Warning manual.

Nearly all processed meats are made with sodium nitrite: breakfast sausage, hot dogs, jerkies, bacon, lunch meat, and even meats in canned soup products. Yet this ingredient is a precursor to highly carcinogenic nitrosamines -- potent cancer-causing chemicals that accelerate the formation and growth of cancer cells throughout the body. When consumers eat sodium nitrite in popular meat products, nitrosamines are formed in the body where they promote the growth of various cancers, including colorectal cancer and pancreatic cancer, says Adams.

"Sodium nitrite is a dangerous, cancer-causing ingredient that has no place in the human food supply," he explains. The USDA actually tried to ban sodium nitrite in the 1970's, but was preempted by the meat processing industry, which relies on the ingredient as a color fixer to make foods look more visually appealing. "The meat industry uses sodium nitrite to sell more meat products at the expense of public health," says Adams. "And this new research clearly demonstrates the link between the consumption of processed meats and cancer."

http://www.organicconsumers.org/foodsafety/processedmeat050305.cfm
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:24 AM
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17. Oh great
more things that can kill me...damn...well, who wants to live forever! :silly:....;)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:59 AM
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19. I don't even worry about myself at this stage
I worry about my children and the crap they put into food geared towards them. High Fructose Corn Syrup is one big reason why there are so many obese children today.
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #9
50. I thought that the reason it wasn't banned was because sodium nitrate
was a preservative, not a 'color fixer'! This is bordering on criminal, if it's just for the appearance of the meat! One could argue that it is necessary as an additive because people could ingest spoiled and contaminated meat, resulting in immediate illness and or death, which might seem more worrisome than waiting 20 years for the possible development of colon cancer. But to knowingly add sodium nitrate to just make food more appealing... criminal, no?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:31 PM
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55. criminal
yes!
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #4
20. Most of the nitrates are in the lining
I buy locally made italian sausage, made in the grocery store. They swear they don't use nitrates, but I cut the lining off anyways for cooking it.

Like anything else, processed meat is something that should be eaten in moderation. I don't think the occasional hot dog is going to give anyone cancer, but if you eat a diet based on hot dogs and bolonga, then you will have problems.
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Jeanette in FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:38 AM
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6. Reading an article like this, makes me so glad I'm a vegetarian
I never liked the taste or smell of hotdogs ever.

Why don't they leave our food alone?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. me too
I ate hot dogs as a kid though. :puke:
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gademocrat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:42 AM
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8. My parents did not let us eat hot dogs growing up.
I still don't. But they do smell good at a baseball game.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:49 AM
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10. The well-known supposition of earthworms being a filler in hot dogs is
not substantiated. However:

you can rest assured that your hotdogs are made from 100% pure pig noses, cow lips, intestines, and that kind of thing.

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/merythorbate.html

I think I'd rather have the worms!! :puke:
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:56 AM
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21. vienna hot dogs are made of brisket
all brisket, nothing but brisket. or so they said on the food channel show that went to the plant.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. **wondering about Hebrew National hot dogs**
Those are the ones I've been known to eat on occasion, because I thought they may be 'cleaner'
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:58 PM
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35. sinai 48's mmmm
i only rarely eat hot dogs, but the rest of the family does. a good kosher dog has a lot less "by-products". i don't know the ins and outs exactly, but i do know that they do not put a lot of that crap in their dogs.
i have a great kosher deli just down the block from me, they smoke their own turkeys and make their own dogs. i shop there a lot. even though i sometimes get the eye, because i am so very goy.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:01 PM
Response to Reply #10
36. so are the vegetarian ones
made from soy lips and asses?

;)

seriously, even when I ate meat, I never cared for the "meat" family - most cheap sausages and bolognas.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:50 AM
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11. Confirms my ultra contempt for the FDA who sold out to corporations
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 06:53 AM by higher class
long before we woke up to the sell out of our media to corporations and the attempt to sell social security to corporations.

And the FDA became? and remained sold out through Democratic control of the government.

People have to watch out for themselves and stop believing that the FDA is doing it for them. Blame the money loving lobbyists and corporations for nitrites, nitrates, msg, benzoates, milk changing chemicals and the job they did in bribing the FDA - the FDA who approved fancy poison ingredients.

People wonder why we're fat and sick. We are chemical disasters. And we, through our leaders, allowed the poison peddlers to fake health claims through the FDA.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:04 AM
Response to Reply #11
12. What do these bottom-feeders feed their own kids? Or themselves?
I just don't get that.

BTW, how about organic hotdogs?
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:06 AM
Response to Reply #12
13. I think if you get any kind that does not contain
nitrates they should be okay. I have seen some like that in the health food store.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Apple Gate Farms
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 07:15 AM by leftchick
never uses any Nitrites. They make turkey dogs, chicken dogs and regular hot dogs. I prefer soy dogs myself.

:)

http://www.applegatefarms.com/
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #15
24. I always try to get nitrite-free bacon...
but I can't get my husband to do it when he shops! :grr:

Guess I'll have to send along this article...
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:06 AM
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14. noooooooo
I have to admit, I do love hotdogs.
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malmapus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:59 AM
Response to Reply #14
22. my respose as well...lol!!! "nooooooooooooooooo"
A fan of hot dogs myself :(
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:23 AM
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27. Don't know if they are available where you are but...
If you ever get a chance try Sabrette hotdogs, they are the best. I used to get them all the time when I lived in NJ but they are not available here in Ohio.
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theophilus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:35 AM
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16. If you eat processed meat, take some vitamin c when you eat it.
Vitamin c is supposed to stop the formation of the "nasty" chemicals in your system. Why don't they just get the nitrite out? Their sales would improve.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:51 AM
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18. ha! -- i only eat nitrite free processed meats and make my own soups.
and i eat very little processed meats any way -- BUT i do love good sausage -- but to my mind good sausage doesn't have crap in it.

and i hate ground poultry sausage -- yuck.
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:03 AM
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23. I'm a vegetarian now, but even in my carnivorous days,
I would not eat hot dogs because of all the garbage that was in them.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:19 AM
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26. brocolli and other vegetables are a leading cause of global warming
vegetables give most people gas, which is released into the atmosphere as methane, contributing to global warming, destroying earth's forests and glaciers.

always remember . . .

Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don't touch that dial
Don't try to smile
Just take this pill
It's in your file

Don't work hard
Don't play hard
Don't plan for the graveyard
Remember -

Everything
Everything gives you cancer
Everything
Everything gives you cancer
There's no cure, there's no answer
Everything gives you cancer

Don't work by night
Don't play by day
You'll feel all right
But you will pay

No caffeine
No protein
No booze or
Nicotine
Remember -
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:47 AM
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28. A press release masquerading as news? Fuck proselytizers of all stripes!
You want to be a vegetarian? Or vegan? Or you simply stopped eating red meat? No skin off my nose. Live and let live.

But please spare me the scare tactics and bullshit.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. There are two links there.
One is, as you say, a "press release".

The other is a news story, based upon new scientific data which validates what we've known for a while- namely, that Nitrites are REALLY bad for you. In fact, they're quite possibly worse than we thought.

Mirvish and his colleagues examined hot dogs because past research had linked them with colon cancer. Hot dogs are preserved with sodium nitrite, which can help form chemicals known as N-nitroso compounds, most of which cause cancer in lab animals.

Extracts from hot dogs bought from the supermarket, when mixed with nitrites, resulted in what appeared to be these DNA-mutating compounds. When added to Salmonella bacteria, hot dog extracts treated with nitrites doubled to quadrupled their normal DNA mutation levels. Triggering DNA mutations in the gut might boost the risk for colon cancer, the researchers explained.


Eat what you want. Like you said, "live and let live". But for those of us who spent decades putting this shit into our OWN bodies while the FDA ignored clear evidence that they were carcinogenic- at least we can get this information in time to help our kids make healthier choices.

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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #33
39. Mike Adams is a snake oil salesman.
My thing is indeed live and let live but junk science in support of a righteous belief is still junk science.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #39
42. Did he have anything to do with the study in the first link?
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 06:31 PM by impeachdubya
Seems to me he's reacting to it, not behind it.

I hope you're right. Really, I do.

But I remember hearing that specific shit was bad for you a long time ago. 'Course, I was young and immortal then.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. No, my reaction is to his reaction. But I hear ya and agree (nt)
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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:33 PM
Response to Reply #28
40. "I won't say you shouldn't eat hot dogs," Mirvish said.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 05:34 PM by Snivi Yllom
buried deep within the article

fuck it, I love hot dogs, let people decide for themselves
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:56 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. I am all for food protection
I am not for scare tactics and the misrepresentation of science for the purposes of inducing lifestyle change.

Hot dogs are not very nutritious but they are also not killer nitrate cicles that give you instant cancer.



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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:31 PM
Response to Reply #41
43. I'm for that, and full disclosure, & truth in labeling and information.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 06:32 PM by impeachdubya
But what consenting adults want to put in their own bodies is their own business.
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Trailrider1951 Donating Member (933 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:21 PM
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29. God, those things are nasty
One of the many reasons I became a vegetarian.:9
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:23 PM
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30. The first 2/3 of my life was spent eating total shit like this.
The last third I've tried to make up for it with lots of broccoli, organic food, green tea, that sort of thing.

Hopefully it'll balance out.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:26 PM
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31. Cool! First, brain-destroying rogue DNA fragments, now mutagens!
Baseball fans will be the first X-Men.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:51 PM
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32. I'm having tofu pups on whole-grain pita bread for lunch.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 12:51 PM by gauguin57
Join me, won't you?
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:04 PM
Response to Original message
37. Just say no to burnt weenie sandwiches.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:08 PM
Response to Original message
38. Hey, it makes sense. Hotdogs look like anything but real meat.
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 05:09 PM by Rex
They don't even look like traditional sausage, more like meat parts with Red food coloring. That explains my 3rd buttock. :hi:
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Sapere aude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:33 PM
Response to Original message
44. Where is that DUer who told me that humans evolved to eat hot dogs?
No, really he said that humans evolved to become meat eaters and that means that vegetarianism is not right for you. But I must have a list of the veggies that give you cancer and heart disease to make a real comparison.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:27 PM
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47. Shit
I've laid off hot dogs for over a year.Now I have eaten a few because my throat has been operated on and it is something I can eat..Now I see this,,

All I can day is we are fucked.. http://www.unknownnews.org/051209a-Panther.html
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 09:43 PM
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49. Hot dogs increase the risk of leukemia in kids, too
I can't remember the exact amount of hot dogs consumed in a month that was supposed to increase the risk of leukemia, but I ran across the story recently in some research and the source seemed pretty credible. I'll look for it again. I remember thinking that the amount wasn't even that ridiculously high, either. I have young kids and they have some friends who eat multiple hot dogs every day.

We haven't banned hot dogs entirely in our house, but we do get the nitrite-free version from Trader Joe's, the "Best in Show" ones. They're priced fairly comparably to Oscar Mayer hot dogs, and they taste pretty good. I admit that I haven't been as impressed with some of the other nitrite-free brands or veggie dogs, but the Trader Joe's ones are good for the few times a year when we decide we really want to have a cookout.

I will say that in all the nutrition research I've done in my job, regular hot dogs are one of the absolute WORST foods I've found.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:38 AM
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52. nooooooooooooo
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:45 AM
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53. Glad I am a Vegeitarian....
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 02:47 AM by and-justice-for-all
I stopped eating meat because of the cruelty involved, I knew of the health benefits but I am more concerned about animal welfare...

MorningStar makes some tasty alterntives and 8th Continent Soy Mike is GREAT!! Rice Milk is yummy too.
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liberati Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 03:09 AM
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54. mmmm...I'm hungry now...
All this talk of hot dogs. Is it OK to eat hot dogs at 4AM? I think I'm going to have to cook up a couple. :-)
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