Sexual lyrics and Sexual objectification

[bloom]

Sexual lyrics prompt teens to have sex

CHICAGO - Teens whose iPods are full of music with raunchy, sexual lyrics start having sex sooner than those who prefer other songs, a study found.

Whether it's hip-hop, rap, pop or rock, much of popular music aimed at teens contains sexual overtones. Its influence on their behavior appears to depend on how the sex is portrayed, researchers found.

Songs depicting men as "sex-driven studs," women as sex objects and with explicit references to sex acts are more likely to trigger early sexual behavior than those where sexual references are more veiled and relationships appear more committed, the study found....

"I won't really realize that the person is talking about having sex or raping a girl," she said. Even so, the message "is being beaten into the teens' heads," she said. "We don't even really realize how much."

Benjamin Chavis, chief executive officer of the Hip-Hip Summit Action Network, a coalition of hip-hop musicians and recording industry executives, said explicit music lyrics are a cultural expression that reflect "social and economic realities."<more>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060807/ap_on_re_us/sex_lyrics_teens

This sounds like a fight waiting to happen.

Culture that reflects reality or culture that creates reality. The chicken and the egg and all that.

[satireV]

1. The animal that laid the egg that became a chicken....

Was NOT a chicken..

oh and BTW

Nature beat nurture as well.

[sgxnk]

2. SELL MORTIMER SELL!!!! nt

[satireV]

4. LOL.. Love it! (eof) :)

[Warren DeMontague]

13. Whoa, that was obscure.

Nice one.



Would ya like to buy a monkey?

[Broken_Hero]

39. Trading Places...

good nature vs nuture comedy film...

[Breeze54]

3. It's always been around! Listen to this ---

http://www.jacquedee63.com/lightninstrikes.html
Lightning Strikes - Lou Christie - 1966

http://www.jacquedee63.com/louielouie.html
ARTIST: the Kingsmen

TITLE: Louie, Louie
1963

Louie, Louie, oh, oh, me gotta go
Louie, Louie, oh, oh, me gotta go

Fine little girl she waits for me
Me catch the ship for cross the sea
Me sail the ship all alone
Me never think me make it home

Louie, Louie...

Three nights and days me sail the sea
Me think of girl constantly
On the ship I dream she there
I smell the rose in her hair

Louie, Louie...

Me see Jamaica moon above
It won't be long, me see my love,
I take her in my arms and then
Me tell her I never leave again

Louie, Louie...
:rofl:



snip-->
"...published lyrics that are very obscene!"
:rofl:

This was the song that drove the parents of the 60's nuts.... no one could understand
most of the lyrics so it was assumed that they must be obscene......
there were reported "investigations" by the FBI even.
What a laugh when you consider the lyrics that teens of today listen to.....
All I cared about is that it had a good beat and it was FUN!!!!
Didn't matter whether you could understand it not.....

:)

[bloom]

5. I don't really buy the argument

that just because some people objected to lyrics that were innocuous - that nobody should object to lyrics about rape.

[Breeze54]

6. I was referring to what was considered obscene

back in the sixties.
----------------------------------
Singing and praising rape isn't something I would condone either!
But singing about fucking was in the songs back then too!

http://www.jacquedee63.com/wildthing.html
The Troggs
Peak: #1
Year: 1966

Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing

Wild thing, I think I love you
But I wanna know for sure
Come on and hold me tight
I love you

Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing

Wild thing, I think you move me
But I wanna know for sure
So cmon and hold me tight
You move me

Wild thing
You make my heart sing
You make everything groovy
Wild thing

Wild thing
Cmon, cmon, wild thing
Shake it, shake it, wild thing

:rofl:

[bloom]

8. I have no doubt that the topic of sex has been in lyrics

for about forever - sometimes it's more obvious than others.

And there is a difference in lyrics about sex and lyrics that encourage sexist attitudes. That's part of what this article/study is about.


I don't really know if there has been a change in the substance of lyrics (on that end of the scale) in the last 20 years or so - or if it's pretty much the same old, same old. This has been a complaint for awhile. It seems that the culture is getting more sexist - so I wonder.

I think that artists can choose to add to the sexism - by what they call "reflecting the (rape) culture" or not. I think there are economical incentives in adding to it - unfortunately. Since people do buy it - after all.

[retread]

15. It seems the culture is getting more sexist?? Compared to which decade?

*

[bloom]

52. "Women Losing Economic and Political Ground"

Women Losing Economic and Political Ground
By Martha Burk, TomPaine.com
Posted on July 27, 2006, Printed on July 30, 2006
http://www.alternet.org/story/39593 /

Summer isn't over yet, but the heat on women is already at full blast. Catalyst, one of the top research organizations on the status of women in corporate America, reports this week that females are losing ground in the top echelons of the Fortune 500. Growth in female-held positions has fallen dramatically in the past three years. The National Women's Law Center tells us that female degrees in math and computer science are way down. In what looks like a "back to the '50s move," Gov. Jennifer Granholm of Michigan signed a bill last week allowing the return of single-sex schools in her state. All abortions were outlawed in South Dakota this spring, setting up a challenge to Roe v. Wade that has a good chance of succeeding in a Roberts Court.

...

... The ongoing losses are the culmination of 20-plus years of conservative influence in the public square. Thanks to well-funded and well-placed right-wing think tank policy papers and their media machines shaping public opinion and influencing legislatures at all levels, we're losing ground and fighting hard just to keep the ideals of women's equality in the public debate. Popular mythology is all about women fleeing the workplace and the marketplace of ideas for hearth and home - just read The New York Times and countless copycats touting the exodus.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=229x4769

[Mz Pip]

34. There was a take off of this

Wild thing
You make my thing spring
You make everything sticky.

If it wasn't obvious enough, it could always be made more obvious. :evilgrin:

Mz Pip
:dem:

[mr_hat]

16. Todd Snider has the definitive answer >

The Kingsmen came together in a garage,
They could hardly even play
But they practiced night
And day pretty soon they got to where they could really play that song Louie,Louie
So, they saved up all the money from the shows,
Went in to one of them studios and gave their version of the song a try

Now, I don't know the words to that song Louie,
Louie and I'm pretty sure the singer for the
Kingsmen didn't know ‘em either,
If he did know ‘em he didn't get ‘em right on the record
Cause on the record they sound jumbled in his jaw? It says,
Me think of me girl oh so constantly
Ahmayaaah makaaaah aahh ooohoooh aaaaah

Well, that last part scared everybody from the PTA to the FBI
You see, the kids had been going kind of crazy lately
And it seemed like nobody could figure out why,
So they decided to form a coalition,
Launch an investigation, you know for the children, they at least had to try
To figure out the words to Louie, Louie

Chorus
It's the feel good hit of this endless summer
It gets these kids out of control
Singin along to that star spangled bummer,
Hail, hail rock and roll

Marilyn Manson’s real name isn't even Marilyn Manson,
He's a skinny public high school Kid from Florida,
Not some monster from out of this world and like of a lot other skinny long hair public
High school kids he was sick of getting
Beaten up by the pulling guard all week only to go out on the weekend,
And watch the Quarterback get all the girls so,


He formed a band man
Now' he gets all the girls,
A few years later a couple of latchkey kids go tragically
Mad and everybody's standing around the television store at the mall trying to figure out what went wrong,
This guy says,
You think the life of a kid going to high school could've gotten so bad this other guy says nah,
It's just the words to one of them goddamn Marilyn Manson songs,
You know the one

Chorus

You know, every ten years or so our country and some other little country,
We start firing all of our newest weapons
At each other for some reason or another, right or wrong,
Like it or not, it happens, and when it happens
People get shot and when people get shot,
They show it on tv a lot every night at six o clock

And you don't even have to be eighteen to see it you don't even have to be in first grade,
First grade where they teach the kid pride
They tell him he'll need to thrive,
In a world where only the strong will survive,
So he's taught the art of more
To compare to and to keep score Monday thru Friday while
He stares at the floor til' Sunday they make him go to
School once more only this time they make him wear a suit and a tie
And listen to some guy who claims to know Where people go
When they die tell him that only the meek are gonna inherit the earth Well shit,

By this time the kid doesn't know what anything
Is worth, now brothers and sisters I am only one guy
And I don't even know the words to that song Louie,
Louie but I can tell you right now without batting an eye
That the next time some latchkey kid goes wrong
It aint gonna be cause that Eminem gets to say the word Fag in his song
And I'm not trying to preach to ya either,
I'm just trying to sing to ya too, you know string a few words together

Hey kids...
Lets get it on,
Lets get it on

---
Todd Snider,
Ballad of the Kingsmen
East Nashville Skyline

(edit: "east", not "south".)

[Bake]

7. It's not the lyrics, it's the hormones!

Nature at its most powerful. "Just say no." Riiiiiiiiiight.

Bake

[LibDemAlways]

9. Sexual references are nothing new in songs, but

the sex today is much more "out there" in song lyrics than it was a generation ago, and it's filtered down to the pre-teen and young-teen market. My 13 year old is crazy about a new boy band - they're teenagers themselves - who promise "a better fuck" in one of their catchy tunes. I don't agree with the premise that exposure to this stuff leads to earlier sex, but there's no doubt that the lyrics are more explicit than the stuff I listened to growing up. And standards must be changing rapidly because my daughter has several albums with liberal profanity and sexual references that carried no parental warning.

[idgiehkt]

10. wonder what the age is

that kids start having sex in cultures where they walk around naked and don't have I-pods? In alot of cultures girls get married off at 13 or 14, sometimes earlier. How do they explain that, sublimnal ultrasonic rap from across the ocean or something?

[bloom]

11. Minangkabau

The challenge facing me when I went to West Sumatra was first to find out whether the incidence of rape was low and if so to crack the cultural code that made it so. In the early years there was ample evidence from police reports and from interviews conducted all over the province that this was a rape free society. Ethnographic research conducted in several villages provided confirmation....

Missing from the Minangkabau conception of sexuality is any show of interest in sex for the sake of sex alone. Sex is neither a commodity nor a notch in the male belt in this society. A man's sense of himself is not predicated by his sexual functioning. Although aggression is present, it is not linked to sex nor is it deemed a manly trait. The Minangkabau have yet to discover sex as a commodity or turn it into a fetish.

There is a cultural category for rape, which is defined as "forced sex" and is punishable by law. Rape is conceived as something that happens in the wild which places men who rape beyond the pale of society. In answer to my questions regarding the relative absence of rape among them compared to the United States, Minangkabau informants replied that rape was impossible in their society because custom, law, and religion forbade it and punished it severely....

In the past few years, Indonesia's entrance into the global economy has been accompanied by an amazing shift in the eroticization of popular culture seen on TV. In l995 the signs that this culture was filtering into Minangkabau villages were very evident. To the extent that commodification and eroticization breaks down the cultural supports for its matrilineal social system, the Minangkabau sexual culture will also change. Indeed, today in the provincial capital some argue that the Minangkabau are not rape free.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~psanday/rapea.html

[Nikia]

12. My husband and I were talking about current lyrics and art

While sexist and sexual songs might be art and are a portrait of something that is going on, that is not how they are marketed. Very few people sit around and talk about what these songs mean and the fact that some of them might actually be satirical or not necessarily endorsing the apparent theme of the song like people often talk about offensive visual art pieces that hang in museums. These songs are played on mainstream radio. Although profanity is often edited out of these songs, the sexual and/or violent themes are not. Children are often attracted by the catchy toons and then start singing along to the lyrics, absorb them, and sing them to their peers and others even before they know what they mean. Of course, the lyrics are often more obvious in the past so they do usually find out what they mean sometime in early grade school. I do think that most children are unable to handle such lyrics in a healthy way. The sad thing is that most parents don't seem to pay attention and discuss these things.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Hmmm. That's funny.

I'm sure most kids today wouldn't want to have anything to do with the music we were listening to when I was in High School.

But we were all sexually active, too.

[JeffR]

17. Same crap that's been uttered about every form of popular music

since the advent of jazz.

[malaise]

18. Three of my classmates were pregnant

before graduation and that was decades before sexual lyrics entered the culture.
Whoever did that study better present all the other variables or into the garbage can it goes with the other rubbish surveys.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

20. If you think that that was decades before songs about sex

Then check out my post further down the thread.

People have been singing about sex for as long as they've been singing and having sex, I suspect.

The lyrics of "John Anderson, my Jo", "Cuckoo's nest" and the like aren't as explicit as some modern songs, but they're certainly enough to make a shrinking violet blush.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

19. Or, to put it into a more likely cause/effect sequence:

Young people more interested in sex are more likely to listen to songs about it.

Anyone who things that songs about sex, and, indeed, rape, are a new phenomenon should look up

"The Knight and the Sheperd's daughter",
"The Keeper would a hunting go",
"The cuckoo's nest",
"Royal Forrester"
"Eppie Morrie"
"Blow away the morning dew"

And more others than I can name.

[malaise]

21. That's true but there are

way too many variables to just blame lyrics.

[hedgehog]

22. My kids and I discussed this and tend to agree

Some kids are planning their futures when they are 10 years old and are already focused on doing well in school, doing well in high school, going to college/getting a good job etc. Others (and it doesn't have to follow the parents' income by the way) are focused on keeping up with their peer group. This sub-culture is very vulnerable to marketing pressures such as having to have the latest clothes, the right shoes etc. These are the kids who get into sexual activity, drinking, smoking, other drug use and other "adult" behaviors as soon as possible to prove their maturity to each other. The music and the way the music is marketed reinforces this world view. I don't think they are more interested in sex per se. The problem is that in their subculture sexual activity is the norm.

[NashVegas]

42. But Did Those Songs Voice Approval to Rape and Objectification?

That's the point, really. Not just references to sex.

There have always been references to sex in popular music of the 20th century.

But how many popular songs that preceeded "Under My Thumb," came anywhere near the misogyny of those lyrics?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

47. Very much so.

They're mostly at http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/

"Blow away the morning dew" has a woman mocking a man for not raping her when he had the chance. Some versions of "The Knight and the Shepherds daughter" and "Royal Forester" have a woman marrying a man because he's raped her, and living happily ever afterwards; in other versions it appears to be seduction - the distinction is not made terribly clear; the phrase used is often "He's ta'en her by the milk white hand, and by the laylan sleeve, he's lain her down upon her back, and asked no man's leave". "The keeper would a'hunting go" uses hunting as a metaphor for either seduction or rape - again, it's not clear which.

"Prince Heathen" takes the same idea to its logical conclusion - a woman marries a man who has killed her father and mother in bed, drowned her brothers, all seven of them, raped her, got her pregnant, locked her up in a stone vault until she gives birth with thirty locks, refused her food and drink for all that time (yes, she survives - don't ask...), mocks her as she gives birth, and refuses her any water until she has wrapped up her son, doesn't let her have anything except a rag to do that in, and *then* decides that he loves her after all...

I love folk music, but the attitudes to women embodied therein are not ones I would recommend adopting.

[bloom]

57. The songs to which are referring

I'm wondering what their place was in their society.

IOW - were these bar songs ? - as opposed to what young women of the day would be hearing and singing. And then there were probably different classes of people - some listening to some kinds of things - some listening to others.


It would nice to know the context.


The main difference these days may be that anyone might be listening to the kinds of things that previously were listened to by men in bars - men on ships, and other (mostly) men-only sorts of venues - where it was normal to objectify women. And the only women around to notice were the barmaids and prostitutes.

And now all women are objectified - and hear about it. And it's supposed to be accepted. As if that's progress. Maybe some people think it is.


Lyrics would make an interesting comparative cultural study.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

58. A very interesting question, to which I'm not entirely sure of the answer.

A lot of songs of that type were broadsheet ballads, but I'm not sure how many of those had their origins in oral tradition.

I think it improbable that they were exclusively or even mainly sung by men. There are significantly more folk songs sung from the POV of women than men, and in many the style of the tunes probably wouldn't be suitable for pubs, I'd think. My guess is they were passed along by word of mouth, probably more between women than men.

I learned "The keeper would a-hunting go" and "Blow away the Morning Dew" at my mother's knee, more or less literally (albeit in Cecil Sharp's slightly bowdlerised version, not the marginally more explicit original). My father brought me a collection of Steeleye Span LPs including "Royal Forester", "Two Magicians", "The Cuckoo's Nest" and the like before I was ten. This has not as yet driven me to any form of depravity.

[fordnut]

23. Which is worse sex or war?

[bloom]

24. Conquest, objectification of women, and rape are associated with war.

Equality, partnership, sex and birth and associated with peace.


"make love, not war" grew out of the peace movement - not the war movement.

The kind of sex that the article is talking about is the conquest variety. It's that mentality that is driving our culture.

[Warren DeMontague]

25. That doesn't explain, however, why it's the forces of sexual repression

that are so often aligned with the forces of war.

Orwell, OTOH, seemed to have a pretty good grasp of the whole thing.

http://www.eng.buffalo.edu/~smf7/175/ch2s3.html

Unlike Winston, she had grasped the inner meaning of the
Party's sexual puritanism. It was not merely that the sex
instinct created a world of its own which was outside the
Party's control and which therefore had to be destroyed if
possible. What was more important was that sexual privation
induced hysteria, which was desirable because it could be
transformed into war-fever and leader-worship. The way she put
it was:
'When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwards
you feel happy and don't give a damn for anything. They can't
bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with
energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering
and waving flags is simpIy sex gone sour. If you're happy
inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother
and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the
rest of their bloody rot?'

[theHandpuppet]

28. Very good point, bloom

Even if it's not a very popular one around here.

[RB TexLa]

26. Oh my, are the kids listening to Elvis and the Rolling Stones again

[omega minimo]

27. & stupid songs with stupid lyrics & stupid music make people stupid

& act stupid

:hi:



on edit: or Wait! is it a reflection on how people are stupid? :evilgrin:

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Little America

I can't see myself at thirty, I don't buy a lacquered thirty
Caught like flies, preserved for tomorrow's jewelery, again
Lighted in the amber yard, a green shellback, green shellback
Preserved for tomorrow's eyes, in tree beer tar-black brer sap,
The biggest wagon is the empty wagon is the noisiest,
The consul a horse, Jefferson I think we're lost

Who will tend the farm museums? Who will dust today's belongings?
Who will sweep the floors, hedging near the givens?
Rally round your leaders it's the mediator season
Diane is on the beach, do you realize the life she's led?
The biggest wagon is the empty wagon is the noisiest,
The consul a horse, oh man I think we're lost
The biggest wagon is the empty wagon is the noisiest,
A matter of course, Jefferson, Jeffer

Lighted in the amber yard, a green shellback, green shellback
Sky-lied, sty-tied, Nero pie-tied, in tree tar-black brer sap,
Reason has harnessed the tame, a lodging, not stockader's game
Another Greenville, another Magic Mart, Jeffer, grab your fiddle,
The biggest wagon is the empty wagon is the noisiest,
The consul a horse, Jefferson I think we're lost
The biggest wagon is the empty wagon is the noisiest,
The consul a horse, Jefferson I think we're lost

[omega minimo]

35. Who WROTE that?!

:bounce:

You have answered-- with an antidote-- the question that wasn't asked, which is:

Whaddya mean 'stupid'?

I LOVE that. Thank you ETA :toast:

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Berry, Buck, Mills & Stipe.

http://www.retroweb.com/rem/lyrics/menu_Reckoning.html


Yeah, there's intelligent music out there- and there always has been.

To find it, though, sometimes...

"ya just gotta poke around."

Seems to me the eternal answer to stupid media is more of the intelligent kind.
Man oh man.

[omega minimo]

40. It's The End Of Sanity As We Knowit

Ah. Cool. Never was a convert though a radio fan-- "Stand" stands as one of the great radio hits of all time.

Speaking of radio.........

"Yeah, there's intelligent music out there- and there always has been. To find it, though, sometimes..."ya just gotta poke around.""

That's true-- and then there's that whole corporate buyout mega consolidation demographic crapification thing................ :eyes: which makes it more necessary than ever to "poke around."

In the context of mass media in the OP topic, that stultification --and stultifying effect-- of corporate monopoly is as much a culprit as sexual and sexist content.

[Warren DeMontague]

53. Yeah, murmur and reckoning are two albums that are timeless.

After 22-odd years they still hold up.

I highly recommend checking 'em out.

I agree- The more choices, the better. Frankly I don't even know what passes for mass marketed music, anymore.

Fortunately we have at least one really solid indie-type radio station over here that plays a great mix of left-field stuff.

[LanternWaste]

48. Either way--

Either way-- looking at the ghetto-chic music that's come out over the past thirty years and the ghetto-chic kids that listen to it, I can't argue your point...

[omega minimo]

56. There may be a lot of great, original rap music that most of us never hear

because all the corporate machine promotes is violent, sexist "ghetto chic" music just as it promotes stupid, sexist bubblegum shite and stupid, hackneyed nouveau country claptrap, etc.

All equally stupid. Oh yeah, and whatever rock n roll has been reduced to by corporate ameri$a.

[bloom]

50. "is it a reflection on... people ?"

I agree that there is that angle as well.


People do learn what the cultural expectations are from these things though. So that's what I'm thinking.


I think that in the past - like way back when (or at least in cultures that were not all about the money) - it was more likely that adults would have set the tone for the younger people. And tried to be responsible about what that tone should be. Where culture is driven by economics - it's easy for people to turn sex (and women unfortunately) into a commodity.

I think that the Republicans unfunding of the National Endowment for the Arts - actually contributes to this. It's not people who are altruistic or thoughtful who are our cultural creators - it's the ones who are making money. That's how they wanted it. And sex (and war) sells. How easy is that.

[omega minimo]

55. Really easy

"It's not people who are altruistic or thoughtful who are our cultural creators - it's the ones who are making money. That's how they wanted it. And sex (and war) sells. How easy is that."

Easy or simple or simplistic or simpleton-- hey-- if you get people to accept regurgitated crap as "new" and "fresh" and mindless repetitive shite as entertainment-- how much of a stretch is it to Limbot Dittoheads or Two Minutes Hate?

FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Have you read Thomas Frank's books or The Baffler?


"Where culture is driven by economics - it's easy for people to turn sex (and women unfortunately) into a commodity." Maybe we should have a talk in the treehouse about this (not in the mood for a mudfest) The cliche-bound aspect of chuckleheaded corporate conspicuous consumption is part of the mechanism/problem.



:hi:bloom :hug:

[Swamp Rat]

29. Ban iPods!!! Ban music!!! Ban sex!!! Ban teens!!!

:D

[Warren DeMontague]

30. Just spot-weld the little ruttin' spider monkeys into some chastity belts.

Dirty Pillows! Dirty Pillows!

[Swamp Rat]

32. Or just...

[omega minimo]

36. Ban green!! Ban wiggly letters!! Ban corporate schlock!!

:loveya:

[Warren DeMontague]

38. If you ban green, Swampy's gonna be in trouble.

Green is the new new green. :thumbsup:

[omega minimo]

41. I'll bet Swampy knows how to mix blue and yellow

:evilgrin:


"Green is the new new green." :rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

49. LOL!

:D :hug:

[omega minimo]

54. oh holey fu**&&n sh%t THIS IS HUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :owthathurt:

Swear to gawd SR when I looked at that I saw one of those damn upright lizards running like hell.

Can we just make a DU litmus test and say anyone who doesn't laugh out loud and cry with relief and love you madly is a bona fide fu**&(N Fr009per? SERIESLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


:yourock: :grouphug: :patriot:


ART WILL SAVE US!!!!!!!!

[T Town Jake]

33. If this was 1956 instead of 2006, and DU was around...

...I have a feeling you'd be posting a hectoring thread telling us how "sexist" and "demeaning" the raunchy music of that nasty old "Elvis the Pelvis" is, and how anyone who liked his music was a misogynist.

Some things never change.

[NashVegas]

43. It Speaks More Of What Messed-Up Ideas Teens Have, That They're Drawn To

Such songs.

When I was nine, I was all about Alice Cooper. But that was because I was a mess and knew it.

[izzybeans]

44. I have 2 Live Crew to thank for everything I know about sex.

They make me wanna, EEW EEW EEWW EEWWWW they make me wanna...oh what that's Karen O.

She makes me wanna...

This study by the Rand Corp. has an overly mechanical understanding of causation when it comes to human behavior. E=MC2 doesn't work.

Objectification occured during the days of bundling. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "Girl, you make me wanna unsew your burlap bag." Hell teen pregnancy was more prevalent in those days. But of course men were marrying 14 year olds so...

[porphyrian]

45. Serial killers who drink water more likely to use cups.

What an interesting and remarkably meaningless statistic that has little if anything to do with causation. Give me a fucking break. I know this is your pet agenda, but don't pretend that music is somehow more responsible for teen sex than shitty parenting, cultural mixed messages and lack of sex education.

[Baclava]

46. Every new generation thinks they're the ones to discover sex

...and their parents will try to invent new ways to stop them.

Pimps and whores will never be out of jobs.

[Guy Fawkes]

51. Teens who sign "abstinence promises" tend to have sex within 12 months...

It isn't culture causing this. Video games != violence, music != sex. Smoking pot once doesn't make you a criminal and being gay doesn't make you a pedophile.

Most importantly: Correlation does not equal causation!