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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:52 AM
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Craig Murray's site back up! - for those of you who have been following
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 09:41 AM by stop the bleeding
this story thanks to dutchdemocrat, also understandinglife was crucial in helping to get this story out quickly, these are some very hard researchers here at DU and they among many many others deserve any credit for this reaching the media.



Friday, December 30, 2005
Craig Murray's site back up
"Damning documentary evidence unveiled. Dissident bloggers in coordinated exposé of UK government lies over torture ..."

Craig Murray Bio and Timeline

And the press have picked up the story:

"Britain's former ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, has defied the Foreign Office by publishing on the internet documents providing evidence that the British Government knowingly received information extracted by torture in the 'war on terror ...'" Continue at The Independent (UK)

link here:
Craig Murray's site back up-extra.blogspot.com



this also has been reported here:

British attempts to hide torture documents revealed-aljazeera.com


this last link is one that DD gave me and is a skimmer so you can watch this story unfold in the media/internets:



Added this link in an edit. This site is one of several mirrored sites of Craig Murray's site - which as you can tell was taken down yesterday/last night.

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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 08:58 AM
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1. Uzbeki Secret Service 'extracts' information
From Chicken Yoghurt

Craig Murray, the former UK's ambassador to Uzbekistan, can tell you how the Uzbeki Secret Service 'extracts' information with the nod from DC and London...

Was it obtained from "the woman who was raped with a broken bottle in both vagina and anus"?

A woman so terribly violated that she "died after ten days of agony"?

Or was it obtained from the "old man suspended by wrist shackles from the ceiling while his children were beaten to a pulp before his eyes"?

But Saddam was a torturer right? These telegrams are extremely significant because they are high level and really point out how the utter illegality and how horrifically diabolical extraordinary renditions really are. Bliarco is in trouble. And the finger is also pointed at team Bush.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:02 AM
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2. DD since I communicated with you last night on your original thread,
my mind has been in overdrive I keep checking the skimmer thread that you gave me and the story is really gaining traction. It is just a matter of time before someone like K.O. mentions it on prime time.

Thanks again for all of the hard work that you are doing, and like I said before - y'all please, please watch your backs over there in the UK.

Peace.

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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:07 AM
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3. Thanks...
I am beat too.... I have been up most the night. I am in Holland (Chris is in the UK). It's now getting time for a nap. I will leave y'all with a photo. Let's hope this explodes right in their hypocritical, lying-ass, bloodthirsty, narcistic, spotted, greedy little fat fuck faces.

Yes I am mad. And tired.

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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:14 AM
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4. The Register
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 10:12 AM by dutchdemocrat
SNIP

Former ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray has harnessed the Internet in his long-running feud with the UK Government. A forthcoming book covering his time as ambassador is currently being blocked by the Foreign Office, which has demanded he remove references to two documents from the book and his web site. Murray has responded by publishing the documents in full there, and by encouraging bloggers to disseminate the documents as widely as possible.

The documents consist of a Foreign & Commonwealth Office legal opinion concerning evidence that may have been obtained by torture, and several letters sent by Murray to the FCO during his time as ambassador.

These letters state that the use of torture is routine in Uzbekistan, that US policy there (which the UK supports) is focussed on oil, gas and hegemony rather than democracy or freedom,

and that by knowingly receiving evidence obtained through torture the UK is in breach of the UN Convention on Torture. "With Tony Blair and Jack Straw cornered on extraordinary rendition," says Murray, "the UK Government is particularly anxious to suppress all evidence of our complicity in obtaining intelligence extracted by foreign torturers."



And indeed, in a July 2004 letter headed "Receipt of intelligence obtained under torture", he writes:

"It seems to me that there are degrees of complicity and guilt, but being at one or two removes does not make us blameless. There are other factors. Plainly it was a breach of Article 3 of the Convention for the coalition to deport detainees back here from Baghram, but it has been done. That seems plainly complicit."

SNIP

And the likes of Murray plus Internet plus "dissident blogs" (Murray's expression) add up to a nightmare for the system. We should however see what's happening as a development, rather than an entirely new phenomenon. Pre-Internet the Spycatcher affair illustrated the impossibility of suppressing inconvenient information when the opposition declined to play ball, and the existence of the Internet has simply made it faster and simpler for leakers and whistleblowers to make attempts to suppress troublesome documents utterly futile.

:toast: :smoke: :) :toast: :smoke: :)

SNIP

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/12/30/murray_lets_slip_blogs
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:22 AM
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6. FYI - "spycatcher affair" is not working getting double " http's"
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:56 AM
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8. Repaired "Spycatcher affair illustrated" link ...
Edited on Fri Dec-30-05 09:58 AM by TahitiNut
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 11:32 AM
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9. thanks - I guess I should have done that since dd went to bed.
follow this link for updates:

http://www.chris-floyd.com/telegrams/feed/
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:18 AM
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5. Sorry for the mix up everything has been happening so quickly, like
Dave Atell says "Get some Sleep"


A personal question, do you ever follow any cycling over in Holland and Belgium, I know that is way off subject, but I have always wanted to visit those countries for the "Spring Classics".


Again many many thanks.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-30-05 09:36 AM
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7. Brave man.
He's been going at it hard for about a year now, trying to get the truth out.

He was featured in this British TV documentary;

http://www.channel4.com/news/microsites/T/torture/cases.html

With enough time and energy you can probably track down a torrent for that show.

Hint, hint.
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