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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:42 AM
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What'll it take, to get this guy off the street?
TWELVE drunk driving convictions? :wow:

Man In Court For 12th Drunken Driving Case

WEST BEND, Wis. -- A man was in a Washington County courtroom Wednesday for his 12th case of operating while intoxicated stretching back 20 years.

Kim Liebrecht ,43, has been stopped in Milwaukee, Waukesha, Dodge and Washington counties

He what the state calls a "habitual traffic offender."

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:44 AM
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1. the last line of the report "he has never injured anyone"
Edited on Thu Aug-03-06 12:45 AM by pitohui
this man has spent more of his life in jail than out from the sound of it and never injured anyone

we need to think about what's wrong w. us that we spend so much time going after the petty criminal and so little time going after the big time criminal

yes, clearly he's an addict, that's what addiction is, do you propose locking up all alcoholics and drug addicts for life? or maybe you would just prefer to kill them as soon as they are identified?
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:11 AM
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3. He hasn't injured anyone ..... YET.
And that's the problem. He's been goddamned lucky up to this point. He obviously doesn't understand that you don't drive intoxicated. He's a menace to the public well-being and should be locked up.

So you think it's okay to just let him go his merry way until he mows down somebody's mother?
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:08 AM
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5. Exactly.
Sooner or later he will kill someone besides himself.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:13 AM
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4. for pete's sake
first of all, the problem (criminally) is not addiction

it's drunk driving

i could give a rat's a** what drugs somebody chooses to take as long as they don't endanger others. i'm pretty libertarian in that respect

but addiction to alcohol does not make you get behind the wheel and drive

and especially after ELEVEN previous DUI's (or 12 or whatever) this guy should be SEVERELY punished

DUI, especially repeat DUI is not a petty crime. it is a violent crime and one that results in countless deaths, and massive misery and sorrow

i have seen the carnage first hand

i strongly support deferred prosecutions for first time offenders. DUI drivers deserve a second chance

NO DUI driver deserves a 12th chance

many states (rightly so imo) make habitual DUI a felony

good for them

unfortunately, too many do not

driving is a privilege, not a right. choosing to drive after drinking, and MULTIPLE convictions should mean that privilege is revoked for life, and that person must be severely punished imo

for pete's sake. "petty crime"

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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 12:55 AM
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2. Nancy Grace!!! eom
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Alexodin Donating Member (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:19 AM
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6. Is it reasonable to expect someone who has been drinking
to exercise good judgment? I say no because alcohol impairs judgment. I am not excusing drunk driving.

Is it reasonable to license the dispensing of liquor in an establishment that is not served by public transportation to expect people to avail themselves of alternative transportation?

I live in a rural area with no taxi service, bus, subway etc and there are many out of the way bars.

Is it realistic to expect everyone who drinks in these bars to have a designated driver? I say no it is in no way realistic to have that expectation and I can assure you the patrons do not have such a friend.

Is it reasonable and realistic to expect that a business that makes money by selling liquor to not sell as much liquor as possible? I say no.

Can you see that the expectation that a person drinking in a bar to must always exercise good judgment and have either alternative transportation or a designated driver is unrealistic?

Solution: do not license the dispensing of liquor in places that are not served by public transportation. Thats one idea just for a start.

The deaths due to drunk driving are not countless NHTSA and MADD places the number at approximately 17,000 annually. The methodology to arrive at this number is bogus many so called alcohol related deaths were deemed such because the driver died at night, there was a beer can in the car, a person walking on a sidewalk was drunk and when the driver had a diabetic black out and killed them. But for a moment lets just say that the number really is 17,000 in the great scheme of things that number is insignificant. I don't know how many people drink and drive everyday in this country but I suspect it is in the millions X 365 days per year = a bajillion. I am not an actuary but 17,000 deaths out of that many instances of drunk driving would make it arguably one of the safest activities that any human could engage in at any time. Its just a guess but its probably safer than mowing the lawn or taking aspirin (50,000 deaths per year).

My point is not to excuse drunk driving which I do not condone it is to point out that this is not a safety issue this new prohibition is because certain members of society have a moral issue with drinking and others seek to profit by the new prohibition. There are many things that could be done to reduce the number of drunk drivers on the road, many many things but they are not done because MADD does not want to facilitate safe drinking they want to discourage all drinking.

I am sure I have pushed some buttons but I want you to think more deeply about this issue. To place all the responsibility on a bar patron who is frequenting and establishment that has a monetary incentive to sell liquor which impairs judgment and does not have access to public transportation is not in going to be effective.

How about we restrict bars to weigh a person and only serve alcohol at a certain rate?

How about no liquor licenses at all and people can only drink at home?

I mean if its such a safety issue why not?

They set up roadblocks it must be out of control just crazy with drunk drivers right?

Who profits? The private prisons? The trail lawyers? You bet they do and they have a vested interest in keeping drunk drivers on the road. Think about it, is it really a safety issue? How the hell did America survive for this long without all these drunk driving laws? All through WW2 the 50's 60's and most of the 70's. Maybe it was never really that much of a problem.

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Kiouni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 02:37 AM
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7. see there you go trying
to fix the cause of the problem and just not making the punishment more harsh as a deterant. If we made the laws really harsh and then didn't tell anyone it would prevent the crime!
i have lived in NE my whole life an I couldn't tell you what the punishment for a dui is.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 03:48 PM
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8. many so called progressive countries
have FAR FAR FAR stricter dui penalties than we do

sweden comes to mind

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