Why would the insurgents kidnap the Carroll girl?

[FreedomAngel82]

RB from Canada just called in to Malloy's show stating how the Carroll's were true Christian's and were also even protesting the US prisoning Iraqi's in Abu Grhaib etc. and they dressed like they did etc. and people knew them. RB asked why they would be intrested in kidnapping them since they were fighting on the same side and why they would kill the husband. So it is strange. And than the deal with the Italian journalist. She was kidnapped and was let go but before they let her go they warned her about the Americans who were going to try to attack her and that guy saved her. It's all strange.

[TheBaldyMan]

1. Same reason peace protestors get kidnapped in Gaza & W Bank

Publicity mainly but I hope that the group sees the light and releases her unharmed.

The backlash if she is beheaded on video would be huge. That bit of the looney so-called islamists always surprises me cause I'd say the insurgents/rebels always seemed to be more media savvy than the bushbots. Bestial acts always backfire on those that perpetrate them.

[LisaL]

4. People that are willing to blow themselves up don't care

much about a backlash. Just as we apparently don't, when we bomb them and kill them. As for why they kidnapped this poor girl, they are probably happy to get their hands on any american person.

[TheBaldyMan]

9. I disagree about them not caring

The suicide bombers don't do such a horrific act at random, it is very carefully thought through.

Primarily an act of terror is aimed at the authorites, goading them to over-react in an oppressive way. This is standard Maoist revolutionary theory and has been responsible for some of the craziest and repressive outrages in human history (Thanks Chairman Mao :sarcasm: ). The terrible thing about this is that it meant to cause a state of oppression so dreadful that the populace through off the 'Imperial Yolk'.

Personally I despise this approach, it is counter-productive. One thing is certain, it is the innocent that suffer. If the kidnappers want to boost their standing releasing Ms. Carroll unharmed will be a lot more effective than a grisly video posted to Al Jazeera.

[asjr]

2. Very strange indeed. Something doesn't smell right.

[FreedomAngel82]

3. Remember those British guys dressed as Arabs?

[wellst0nev0ter]

5. Because They Can

I guess they believe her value as a Westerner trumps whatever ideological agreement she had with the insurgents. Remember, not all insurgents are perfect angels.

[FreedomAngel82]

6. True

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. They'll kidnap anyone who gives them leverage, period

It's often amazing how the conspiracy theorists on these boards can easily attribute the most twisted ideas to the "BFEE" but refuse to attribute even the most obvious ideas to other interested groups. Insurgents kidnap because it gives them leverage and sows chaos, both of which are in their interests. They don't give a good goddamn wehther you are a Christian, a Kenyan, a journalist or a truck driver, and they shouldn't care. One woman's "pro-Iraqi" journalism is worth less than nothing when compared to her pretty white face pleading from under a sword on TV. That should be obvious enough, but unfortunately we're so over the rainbow sometimes that even that seems far-fetched, while a CIA plot (remember that we also like the CIA when Valerie Plame is involved!!) to kidnap this woman and fake an insurgent threat on the basis of her fucking freelance stories in the Christian Science monitor seems plausible! Yikes.

[hopeisaplace]

8. and shame on governments for doing such a lousy job at leadership

that the public doesn't know what to think or believe anymore.

I'm really upset that these thoughts even cross my mind now, because I can
tell you before the * Admin this WAS completely laughable to me. I'm
offended as a "citizen of the free world" <---lol...that I've been reduced
to this. It takes a lot of work to find sense out of anything that happens with
this administration these days.

[countmyvote4real]

11. I agree about the leverage of insurgency and chaos.

I strongly disagree in your belief that the "BFEE" or whatever extension of that entity could not be involved in orchestrated chaos. And this is why:

If the * administration really wanted to leave Iraq to its own destiny, then they could have done that several years and thousands of deaths ago. They also could have left it well enough alone. All of their reasons for invading and staying have been discounted and debunked except for the now ensuing chaos and the * induced and now likely impending civil war to follow.

You may call me a conspiracy theorist and swear that I wear a tin foil hat, but if you connect the dots that I have already stated, there is no longer any reason for US to support this war (as the majority of polls have indicated that most people are now against it.) I know it’s an evil concept to think that slaughtering a young woman journalist in front of a video camera in order to regain support for the continued occupation. Well, it was “evil” to be there under false pretenses in the first place.

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Hmmm

"I strongly disagree in your belief that the "BFEE" or whatever extension of that entity could not be involved in orchestrated chaos."

That's not my belief, nor is there anything in my post that would indicate such a belief. Feel free to continue arguing with your imagination.

[cali]

12. Thank you, thank you

thank you for stating this so well. You're absolutely right. And I confess, the conspiracy theorists on this board drive me dangerously close to the edge, (at least, when I'm not LMAO at them). They remind me of nothing so much as the CT's over at freeperville. Sometimes I think that such thinking is a "hard drive" function in a certain percentage of the population.

[leftofthedial]

10. "American" is now an evil that trumps whatever else you might be

at least in most of the world now

thanks to king george

[H2O Man]

13. My daughters like

to watch the news with me evenings. My 11-year old also likes to chat with her friends on the phone. It's interesting to note how interested kids really are in the world around them. Last night, my daughter and her friend were discussing this kidnapping. My daughter said, "Whoever kidnapped her is evil."

Isn't it sad that, while we can know that the kidnappers are indeed evil, we have to question what "side" they really represent?

[Garbo 2004]

14. Just a correction: Carroll isn't married. Her Iraqi translator was killed.

The Committee to Protect Journalists has documented the abductions of 36 journalists in Iraq since 2004: http://www.cpj.org/Briefings/Iraq/iraq_abducted.html

[EFerrari]

15. The problem here is the Cabal is just as capable of staging this

as any group in Iraq is of seeing an opportunity to reap a ransom.

Journalists have definitely been targeted by BushCo; Westerners have been at risk in Iraq pretty much since we started detaining Iraqis for not reason and killing them for no reason.