" We're better cause we don't MEAN to target civilians."

[blue2helix]

I am so tired of hearing "Israel (or the U.S. for that matter) doesn't mean to hit civilians." BS! What do words mean when you wipe out 500 civilians, or when you fire a missile into a crowded street in Palestine and maybe kill one Hamas militant but blow up eight or ten innocent passerby civilians in the process. Go tell the family of the innocents "well we don't do it purpose" so we are morally superior than you??? Your words don't mean shit, it's your actions that slaughtered all those innocent fathers mothers children - PEOPLE.

No, you didn't do it on purpose, you just don't give a shit, which is called reckless indifference and in our domestic criminal code is considered equal to second degree murder.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

1. Yes, that was ridiculous.

We're the good guys because we get sad when we kill civilians.

They're the bad guys becasue they get happy when they kill civilians.

That's why we're going to keep killing civilians.

[blue2helix]

2. I guess

I guess if we say we're sad, then it's less "TERRIFYING."

[bryant69]

3. In order for Israel to accomplish it's goals

it does not have to eliminate Lebanon or the Palestinians. In order for Hamas or Hezbollah to accomplish their statee goals, they do have to eliminate Israel.

Bryant
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[blue2helix]

4. More Semantics

Yeah, every single Palestinian or Lebanese family wants to wipe out all of Israel, they don't want to be left alone or anything. It's easier to kill people if you stereotype and dehumanize them first.

This is another BS propaganda piece (quite racist too) used to justify (fill in blank here ___________). Tell the Palestinians who live next to hostile expansionist Israeli settlers that they are not being wiped out. Tell the Lebanese today that Israel is not eliminating them.

I would use elimination to describe the feelings of those who have been, well, ELIMINATED.

[bryant69]

9. It is to laugh

Did I say "every single Palestninian or Lebanese?" No I did not. I said Hamas and Hezbollah, remember?

Bryant

[blue2helix]

10. Who cares what you "say."

It's who is getting killed that is germane. That's the whole point of my thread. You can talk all the BS you want, the TRUTH is expressed in who is getting killed, the Lebanese and Palestinian Civilians.

[bryant69]

12. And the Israli civilians as well, I assume?

Or do their deaths not signify?

[blue2helix]

13. Of course they do

I just don't recall 50 or 60 Israeli's a day getting blown to smithereens.

That was just silly. It's like a Freeper saying, how about the deaths in 9/11? They don't matter to you? So the U.S. can just wipe out a few ten or (hundred) thousand Iraq's and that makes things all better?????

Look, it's not in Israel's long term interest to behave this way. It's creating a less secure situation and is extremely short sighted.

[atreides1]

6. What are Israel's goals?

"it does not have to eliminate Lebanon or the Palestinians"

Well how many Palestinians and Lebanese do they have to kill before they eliminate Hamas and Hezbollah?

My guess at this point in time, is all of them.

The Israelis are just creating another generation, more recruits for both of those terror groups.

[The Stranger]

5. Either way constitutes murder.

Shooting at someone in a crowd and killing someone else is murder -- in every jurisdiction.

[Tyler Durden]

7. It's called telling a "half lie."

The character of Sir Brian Dryden in "Lawrence of Arabia" is drawn from several conservative British bureaucrats serving in the Middle east in the First World War.

In a scene (fictious) between himself and T. E. Lawrence, he calls Lawrence's hypocracy (as typified in his ability to delude himself) in such sharp relief that I hold it does what great art occasionally does; that is, reveal a great truism.

"A man who tells lies, like me, merely hides the truth. But a man who tells half-lies has forgotten where he put it."

[AliceWonderland]

8. Yes, that's just it -- it all amounts to the same thing

It's all about M.O.

The M.O. of people with obscenely expensive weaponry and armies is to use them and feign sadness when the inevitable and entirely foreseeable occurs. Result: innocent people die and the violence is structural and indiscriminate, and based on the assumption that "they" are less human -- though ideological justifications are generally employed.

The M.O. of people without obscenely expensive weaponry and armies is to use tactics like car bombs or incendiary rhetoric. Result: innocent people die and the violence is structural and indiscriminate, and based on the assumption that "they" are less human -- though ideological justifications are generally employed.

The M.O. of the American corporate media is to act like option #2 is terror, when both are terror. Option #1 tends to kill lots more people -- and the war machine has a particular appetite for the weakest members of society, like the old, sick, poor and children -- but option #1 usually gets much better press.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

[KharmaTrain]

11. Oxymorons All...Military Intelligence

War by its most basic definition is total mayhem. There are no rules. There are no referees out on the battle field flagging one side or another 10 miles for offsides. This is kill or be killed and to bring as much pain and destruction to your enemy and their allies as possible. Attempts to "codify" war have shown to be futile in most cases unless thousands of corpses show up. War means breaking rules to kill or destroy.

War is also messy...it doesn't matter who gets in the way...and usually its the smallest and the weakest. This specific war is a civilian war and that goes beyond even textbook definitions of war. There are no defined battle lines...this is a guerilla war where the IDF faces an invisible enemy (just like U.S. forces in Iraq) who blends in with the civilian population, hides their weapons on populated areas and will look for any vulnerability or take adantage of any gesture of good will as a sign of weakness. How do you apply "rules"?

I find it so iritating to hear military types attempt to say how much they abide by the "rules of war" when the whole concept is to break them. They're taught to destroy and dehumanize first and foremost and exist in a culture where "rules" are viewed as an obstacle not common sense.

[blue2helix]

14. Al Franken

Here we go again on Al Franken's show - starting to piss me off a little

[sendero]

15. The road to hell.

... is paved with good intentions.

[kentuck]

16. That is utter bullshit...

When you "intentionally" decide to drop the bomb, it is then that you intentionally decided to kill civilians. Hiding behind excuses like that is worse than an Hamas terrorist walking into a crowded mall with a body bomb. Because, he does not hide behind lies and excuses. He means to kill civilians.