Photos that damn Hezbollah

[still_one]

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.html

[umtalal]

1. LOL lose the pictures.IDF = Infant Death Forces

[The Deacon]

2. Okay, Murdock Is Pro-Israel - Big Surprise There

But his own photos give the lie to what he says: "They dress in civilian clothes to blend..." The photos show, in fact, that most of the people are in camoflage dress.

[still_one]

6. Fox is also showing live video of rockets being launched

from where they say it is Quana. I suspect there will be a ceasefire now

[muryan]

21. By civilian clothes

they mean non-uniform clothing. It doesn't matter if its camouflage or not, its still not a uniform. And don't be so naive as to thinking that the only weaponry they have stationed in civilian areas are anti-aircraft missiles.

[oneold1-4u]

28. Considering that

About 40-60% of young (3-30) americans dress today in some form of camis from boot to hat!

[havocmom]

51. 40-60%? Wow, no hyperbole THERE

:eyes:

Got some links with stats to back up that one? I work with kids and haven't seen it.

[saigon68]

36. FIGHT THE RICH NOT THEIR WARS

[me b zola]

61. Your post *needs* it's own thread

Something that we should all keep in mind.

saigon68 :thumbsup:

[Ian David]

53. Murdock is "Pro-Israel" the same way Roy Croc was "Pro-Cow"

The right-wing is just fattening up Israel to be the sacrificial lamb on the altar of The Apocalypse.

They're not "Pro-Israel." They're "Pro-Israeli Conflict."

See:

America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse: Immanentize the Eschaton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2747646&mesg_id=2747646

[INDIA]

55. And by "most" you mean...

one out of eight??

[BillZBubb]

3. How many of the dead children today were "terrorists"?

How low will you Israeli apologists go? So far, your immorality seems bottomless.

[still_one]

7. I am not an appologists for anyone, and would NEVER

defend the killing of children, however, if you prefer to classify me as an appologist go right ahead

maybe you can think of a few more names to call me

[IndianaGreen]

26. You might run back to your friends and accuse us of being anti-Israel

for failing to have unquestionable support for everything Israel does in Lebanon.

If you really cared about Israel, you would stop and THINK what Israel's policies vis-a-vis her neighbors (including the Palestinians) are doing to Israel's national interest.

We did it here in America when we refused to join the parade of prowar Americans waving flags as our troops marched towards Iraq, and this is what pro-Israel people will have to do in regards to Lebanon.

The Iraq War has harmed the United States in ways that none of us can yet fully grasp. Israel's war on Lebanon is harming Israel in a similar fashion.

[mom cat]

34. Like this poor little one? ... Caution, graphic)

[Ian David]

54. Warning, "Caution: Graphic" in the middle of a thread isn't very helpful.

[Don Claybrook]

60. Being killed by an israeli-dropped US bomb isn't very helpful either

But if you support it, by all means have the guts to look at it.


Order up!

[pooja]

4. Conveniently "smuggled" out... makes it sound so covert.

[happyslug]

5. Anti-aircraft weapons in area being hit by Aircraft?

Sorry, these pictures shows short to medium range Anti-Aircraft weapons, weapons generally used to protect point areas from Air Attack. If you want to defend an area from air attack you move these types of weapons to the areas being hit. Furthermore these ARE not capable of reaching Israel.

Simply point while it is possible these weapons are being kept in Civilian Area to force the Israelis to risk hitting Civilians but it is more likely these weapons are being used kept to provide PROTECTION for the Civilians in the area. In other words these pictures prove NOTHING but may show that Hezbollah is only trying to protect the Civilians in its area of control.

By the way this is a Russian 23mm AA weapons here are the specs:
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/row/zu-23.htm

Max range is 2500 meters, i.e. just about 1 1/3 miles.

[leveymg]

12. Absolutely.

The Faux News apologists for Likud are grasping at straws with this sort thing.

[still_one]

14. First of all these are not pictures in regard to quana

However, there is supposed video of those missles being fired appearing on fox

This article from the hearld was simply an allegation that Hezbollah is blending in with the civillians

[happyslug]

31. Then why no Pictures?

The Rockets being launched by Hezbollah is noted for its HUGE backfire. The Rockets are ballistic rockets aim at the time of launch AND THE ROCKETS STOP ALMOST AS SOON AS THE ROCKET LEAVE THE LAUNCH PAD. The reason for this was to increase accuracy, if you leave the rockets go on beyond the aiming frame you lose control of accuracy (More modern Rockets and Missiles correct this by having some sort of guidance system on the Rocket or missile).

Sorry, but given the time to set up these rockets and their size, you just do NOT set them up in any areas where you can be seen. Hidden valleys are much easier to secure. A second reason for NOT launching from a village is the time period to set up these rockets and the need for RAPID movement away from that launch site. The reason is that today as soon as any Rocket is launched it is picked up by modern radars which calculates the launch site, thus once the rocket is launched the rocket launchers KNOW the launch site. Given this fact, any Rocket launcher crew will move OUT OF THAT AREA as soon as possible. Given the narrow roads of the villages in the Mid-East the LAST place any rocket crew want to launch a Rocket is an area where it would be hard to MOVE FAST out of.

Simply put, you just do not launch from an area you can not exit from quickly, and the villages in the Mid-East do NOT permit quick movement of the large trucks used to move these rockets. Thus while AA weapons may be in such villages, you do not launch Rockets from such villages (You may store them in such villages, under cover but you never launch them from such villages).

[2020]

17. Damn good point.

Completely overlooked in the Aussie piece.

[Igel]

45. The reasoning works if you assume

Israel targets civilians qua civilians.

Hezbollah may think that, since they have a religious hatred going with Jews. I have no such hatred. I doubt the Israelis think such a hatred is merited, and would base their actions on it.

Ponder the meaning behind Khaiber-1, the newly renamed Iranian missile.

The reference is to the Muslims' finally settling accounts with a community of Jews after a ceasefire was ended (with imams saying fairly, since, after all, Muhammed deemed it violated), and trekking some 40 or 50 kilometers to wipe most out and pacify the remainder.

Furthermore, I'm unconvinced that targeting sensors would be able to easily distinguish between this mid-range AA gun and some different piece of hardware.

[happyslug]

68. Look at the range of the weapon

This is a 23mm A gun. It has a range of 2500 METERS. This is a large caliber MACHINE GUN not a Rocket launcher or Artillery piece.

The Israeli like calling anything that Hezbollah uses a "Katyusha" rocket. This is a old WWII term for what the German called "Stalin's Organ" the multiple launch Rocket Launcher. The Russians called these Katyusha Rockets, a name the Israelis continues to use for this type of rocket. These are multiple Rocket Launching vehicles, capable of Shooting 20 or more rockets one after another.

Now the most recent Rockets launch by Hezbollah appears to be four tube rocket launcher. Thus Hezbollah can launch four rockets at a time and then must vacate the area to reload (It takes a LONG while to reload so the reloading site is generally away from he launch site).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fajr-5

The Hezbollah's newest and longest range Rockets seems to be derived form Iran's Fadjr-5 Rockets, which is the last rocket in this picture:



Compared to a 23 mm AA gun which is designed to be fired by ONE PERSON (Through kept loaded by a crew of Four) and can be hauled by a Jeep:


To a four tube Rocket launcher (This is a Chinese one derived form the same Soviet Rockets from which the Iranian and Hezbollah Rockets were designed from, most Russian Rocket launcher have more tubes, the NEws report says that Hezbollah's Rockets is a four tube launcher on a 6x6 truck like this Chinese Rocket and Truck:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/ws1b/


A two Rocket System (A Soviet FROG-5):

[mike_c]

8. the author of that article is utterly clueless....

Those are DEFENSIVE weapons-- anti-aircraft guns-- where would YOU put them in response to Israeli jets targeting civilian homes and neighborhoods?

edit: removed the reference stating that you shared the author's cluelessness-- after all, since you didn't comment, maybe you meant the OP as parody?

[INDIA]

62. Yeah! And the assault rifles are for feeding starving children. n/t

[partylessinOhio]

9. Someone has to defend the people from the terrorists. So what?

If the people had no defense they would be pancaked like Rachel under a bulldozer.

[umtalal]

19. I want your avatar. where is the link to it?

How can I get it?

[partylessinOhio]

25. Here is a link:

http://www.usflags.com/SearchStore.asp?search=lebanon

[umtalal]

27. Thank you. With Lebanon I stand.

[partylessinOhio]

32. YW. I'm not Lebanese but when this terrorism began I found their flag

and began flying it here in my posts to support them.

[IndianaGreen]

10. Why would people have antiaircraft guns, like the Poles did in 1939?

Hmm... Warsaw was bombed by the German air force in 1939 as Poland was being attacked. Now we have Lebanese, in the Christian sector of Beirut no less, trying to defend themselves from Israeli bombing. I see no difference between them and the Poles that defended Warsaw in 1939.

As to having armed people in the "no-go zones" which are nothing more than areas than the aggressor Israel has declared as "free-fire zones" over the foreign state of Lebanon. I see nothing more than people defending themselves from a foreign aggressor.

Israel is only doing to Lebanon what the US has done to Iraq. This is why we must oppose Israel and demand a ceasefire, no matter what Israel's megaphones spewed on the media and the internet.

Israel is beginning to sound like the serial rapist that argues that his victims had it coming for wearing provocative clothing.


A man screams for help as he
carries a girl's body in Qana

[leesa]

11. Funny. Can we get a more biased report with more staged photos?

Geez. Maybe we can PROVE that the kids Israel murdered were Hezbollah recruits...they probably carry ID.

[theanarch]

13. this is a continuation of a discussion...

...over in GD ("Israel just plain lying"); if one scrolls down a bit, one photo is posted. To reiterate what i've posted there: the weapon in question is a double-barreled (20MM?) anti-aircraft gun mounted on a truck, and NOT a rocket launcher (the accompanying text says as much). To repeat myself, if Israel wasn't bombing civilian targets in an offensive war of choice (launched on the flimiest of pretexts), Hezbollah would not have to position its defensive weapons around those civilian targets to protect them, now would they?

[achtung_circus]

50. ZSU23-2

the weapon in question is a double-barreled (20MM?) anti-aircraft gun mounted on a truck,

ZSU23-2

23 mm anti aircraft cannon = a little less that 1" diameter X 2 barrels.

This terminology means that the ZSU57-4 has 4 57mm barrels.

All defensive.

[jonnyblitz]

15. hell who can blame them? I would want to protect myself

from these fucking Israeli thugs, too.

[eFriendly]

16. Israeli Terrorisim. . .

The Israeli government is as much a supporter/exporter of terrorist acts against its neighboring countries as the Hezbollah militia are, imho. The only difference between the two groups is that the U.S. idiotically considers one of the groups as our 'friends.'

I believe Israel has now finally sealed its own fate with these latest terrorists acts against the people of Lebanon.

[tocqueville]

18. doesn't prove a shit

What I saw it's a bunch of guys - one of them, maybe two - wearing military fatigues (referring to the dressed as civilians) posing by an anti aircraft gun that cannot be use to shell Israel and probably quite inefficient too.
The othert picture show a guy OUTSIDE a suburban area with a gun in hand watching a fire.

This are only propaganda pictures to show "we have stuff too". The truck with the gun is nothing you expose if you want to use it later.

Of course the Hezbollah is hiding among civilians. Guerillas have always done that. But to say that they do it on purpose to draw fire on civilians is another story.

Those pictures don't prove anything and the whole article's tone is pretty biased. You don't even know if it is a photo-op from Xtian Phalangists that previously supported Israel.

Nice Try.

[IndianaGreen]

20. Israel's internet megaphones got their talking points!

Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x139921

and...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x139600

[Scurrilous]

44. Our crew is a little slower than the rest.

Previously posted:


~ FreeRepublic 9:51 AM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674596/posts


~ Instapundit 9:51 AM

http://instapundit.com/archives/031657.php


~ Michelle Malkin 10:23 AM

http://michellemalkin.com/


~ Wizbang 10:55 AM

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/07/30/photos-smuggled-out-of-lebanon-damn-hezbollah.php


~ littlegreenfootballs 11:05 AM

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21842_Hizballah_Human_Shields&only


~ democraticunderground 12:30 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2423354&mesg_id=2423354



Yahoo news blog search results for 'Photos that damn Hezbollah'

http://blog.news.search.yahoo.com/blog/search?&ei=UTF-8&p=Photos+that+damn+Hezbollah&fr=moreblog

[IndianaGreen]

47. There you have it, the megaphone at work

We might even find out that the photos were not taken at the time and place they are purported to be taken, as we found out about those pictures of peaceful Baghdad that turned out to be a city in Turkey.

[Moochy]

56. The DNA of the meme

Your post is like the DNA of that meme. :) This is very interesting.. great work scurrilous!

[Scurrilous]

65. Thanks Moochy.

:thumbsup:

[MGKrebs]

22. I'm sure all legitimate fighters must wear uniforms and

only fight from within their designated bases.

[onenote]

35. actually, I believe the Geneva Conventions require uniforms

to differentiate civilians from combatants. Of course, Hezbollah isn't a legitimate army, so maybe Geneva doesn't apply to them. But that says a lot in and of itself.

And I know that someone will come back with some witty/sarcastic remark about the US not abiding by Geneva. Well, plenty of us have condemned the US for its disregard of Geneva and I'm not into the two wrongs make a right approach to life.

[MGKrebs]

67. The Geneva conventions anticipate un-uniformed combatants, i.e.

the French resistance in WWII.


"The 1977 Protocols extend the definition of combatant to include any fighters who carry arms openly during preparation for an attack and during the attack itself, (Protocol I, Art. 44, Sec. 3) but these Protocols aren’t as widely accepted as the four 1949 conventions.

Although all combatants are required to comply with international laws, violations do not deprive the combatants of their status, or of their right to prisoner of war protections if they are captured. (Protocol I, Art. 44, Sec. 2)"



http://www.genevaconventions.org/

Many other references.

[sandnsea]

23. Egeland criticizes Hezbollah

Jan Egeland of the UN says "When I was in Lebanon, in the Hezbollah heartland, I said Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending in among women and children"

People might remember Egeland as the guy who said western countries are stingy after the tsunami.

[Hissyspit]

63. Egeland ALSO said

that Israel must stop their attacks and that Israel is in violation of International Humanitarian Law.

[Karmakaze]

24. BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Anti-aircraft guns PROTECTING CITIES are not damning in the slightest - especially when Israeli AIRCRAFT are BOMBING those cities!

Fucking bullshit.

[earthside]

29. So Bogus

I am really tired of this "using civilian areas as shields" argument.

The Pentagon is surrounded by suburbs. That is the headquaters of the U.S. military's command-and-control ... that means it is a legitimate target for our enemies during wartime.

If the Pentagon was targeted and a bunch of American civilians got killed, would that be okay?

U.S. military bases and National Guard bases are located in suburban-urban areas all over this country,

If the National Guard armory in my hometown (which is right in the middle of the city) was targeted and all the houses surrounding it were destroyed, would that be okay?

Killing civilians is not justified, period. If Israel wants to take those rocket launchers out, then they will have to invade Lebanon on the ground and find them ... that's what the rules of war demand. Of course, Israel doesn't want to do that because it would cost THEM too many lives.

The best way to keep the peace, is not to start wars.

[IndianaGreen]

30. Hezbollah did not launch rockets until Israel began bombing

We need a ceasefire now!

[Igel]

46. They didn't launch missiles that could reach

far beyond the border, this is true.

Katyushas have been a staple of Hezbollah's non-verbal displomacy in N. Israel, and a large Katyusha attack accompanied the cross-border raid that netted some dead IDF and a couple of live units of currency.

[eFriendly]

39. Very good point.

Also let's not forget about the thousands of civilians that the Pentagon employs inside of that building. U.S. military bases also employ civilians to do work on areas of the bases.

[Baselinereality]

33. The Pics Might Damn Them, But Israel Is F*cking Them.

People seem utterly incapable of interpreting asymmetrical warfare.

I'm no expert, either, but I do know this:

If I am part of a limited freedom-fighting force separate from the government and I wanted to survive to fight another day, I would utilize the strengths of my territory. And the strength that Hezbollah has is that it can blend into society and make it very hard for Israel to destroy it without killing a lot of women and children first.

I don't agree with it, but it is perfectly understandable. Hezbollah may be a determined fighting force and it may inflict a lot more damage on Israel than the Palestinians ever could, but if they had to stand toe to toe with Israel on a military battlefield in uniform, they would be mowed down in about ten minutes. They're not interested in being destroyed. So, they hide. Of course they do. Some people call it cowardly, but it just seems like common sense to me. And the only thing that will ever get Israel to stop its destruction of Lebanon are the reports and pictures of all the women and children it is killing.

Hezbollah effectively drove Israel out of Lebanon six years ago: they are a fighting force that needs to be respected. Crying and whining about them hiding among civilians instead of fighting like real men is really pathetic.

The more the imbalance in the weaponry, the more we're going to see fighting like this. Israel has remote control drone aircraft and F-16s and smart bombs and laser-guided missiles and phosphorus bombs and cluster bombs and whatever other destructive toy we've sold to them over the years. What does Hezbollah have? Some BB-filled missiles and some rifles. Naturally, Hezbollah's weaponry is dangerous and deadly, I'm not suggesting it isn't. But the level of destruction meted out by the Israelis is on a much deadlier scale so it is hard for me to look at a picture of an anti-aircraft gun and feel the surge of hate that you were hoping for.

There seems to be a real frustration among neo-cons that factions are fighting against the U.S. and Israel in unconventional ways. I for one am tired of the petulant, "Come out and fight in the open so we can destroy you" complaints. They do not seem to understand that having the most devastating firepower on the planet is not going to suddenly eradicate your enemies. In fact, it tends to inflame your opponents even more. This relates to Bush's overall misunderstanding of foreign policy. These right-wingers have this arrogant belief that they can pound their opponents into submission through power and fear rather than with diplomacy and negotiation. I don't know how many wars need to be started on the planet before America and Israel realize how dangerous that type of right-winged ideology is.

Hitler was a right-winger, too. The best wars always seem to be started by them.

[Warren Stupidity]

37. The pictures show defensive weapons.

This is a classic technique. State a lie and then prove it with irrelevant evidence that proves nothing. Half the audience will not realize that the weapons shown are defensive and will believe that the assertion has been proved.

On the day of the Qana Atrocity the poster of this thread ought to be ashamed of his or her self.

[Baselinereality]

43. Yeah, Well, The Poster Is Still Trying To Justify Israel's Actions.

Also, haven't you noticed how people are bringing up, more and more, the bombing in Beirut in 1983 that was conducted by Hezbollah?

For the past five years it's been Al-Qaeda and insurgents always, all the time.

Now, in addition to juggling those two nemesis in our heads, we're to start feeling bloodthirsty over the existence of Hezbollah. Next month we'll be asked to vehemently despise Hamas.

Israel's enemies are now our enemies in this global war on terror.

I suppose it will only be a matter of time before we start to tackle the Tamil Tigers and the Kashmiri separatists as well.

It IS true, what Bush said during the 2000 Presidential Debates: "I don't believe in nation building." That has turned out to be incredibly true. He's much better at simply destroying them.

[IndianaGreen]

48. They are Freeper talking points, as shown in post #44

Previously posted:


~ FreeRepublic 9:51 AM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1674596/posts


~ Michelle Malkin 10:23 AM

http://michellemalkin.com /


~ Wizbang 10:55 AM

http://wizbangblog.com/2006/07/30/photos-smuggled-out-o...


~ littlegreenfootballs 11:05 AM

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=21842_Hiz...

[Baselinereality]

49. Thank You. And, You Know What I Would Like To Know?

When did the Rabid Right-Wing start to associate left-wing politics with anti-semitism? The right-wing, home of Adolph Hitler and the KKK, seems to be accusing the left, which has a healthy dose of Jewish intellectuals in its mix, of completing hating Israel.

How utterly audacious of them. They will stop at nothing. They spew anything, verbal chaff, into the air in an attempt to distract their opponents.

I can't wait until they accuse the NAACP of being racist.

I just think it's fascinating.

And I know that Jesus would be so proud of them.

[jonnyblitz]

59. they have even called Human Rights Watch anti-semitic

I believe I just read that in a book by Norm Finkelstein that critiques Alan Dershowitz' book "the case for Israel".. I have read so much on every aspect of this situation I forget exactly where.

Also, from the book, it says the Anti Defamation League has pretty much changed it's focus from civil rights issues to being a PR firm for Israel. The far right, which they once you to criticize for wanting christian prayer in school etc, they now try to minimize their differences with because of the support of Israel from them (the end times crowd). They pretty much were the ones who "poisoned the well" of debate with the "criticism of Israel equals anti-semitism" meme.

The ADL also supports Bush's war on Iraq, which I wasn't aware of.

[Warren Stupidity]

38. You have been lied to.

Think for yourself. Wake up.

[IndianaGreen]

41. Perhaps the OP is relying on Israel's megaphone (Times of London)

Israel backed by army of cyber-soldiers

From Yonit Farago in Jerusalem

WHILE Israel fights Hezbollah with tanks and aircraft, its supporters are campaigning on the internet.

Israel’s Government has thrown its weight behind efforts by supporters to counter what it believes to be negative bias and a tide of pro-Arab propaganda. The Foreign Ministry has ordered trainee diplomats to track websites and chatrooms so that networks of US and European groups with hundreds of thousands of Jewish activists can place supportive messages.

In the past week nearly 5,000 members of the World Union of Jewish Students (WUJS) have downloaded special “megaphone” software that alerts them to anti-Israeli chatrooms or internet polls to enable them to post contrary viewpoints. A student team in Jerusalem combs the web in a host of different languages to flag the sites so that those who have signed up can influence an opinion survey or the course of a debate.

Jonny Cline, of the international student group, said that Jewish students and youth groups with their understanding of the web environment were ideally placed to present another side to the debate.

“We’re saying to these people that if Israel is being bashed, don’t ignore it, change it,” Mr Cline said. “A poll like CNN’s takes just a few seconds to vote in, but if thousands take part the outcome will be changed. What’s vital is that the international face of the conflict is balanced.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,174-2289232,00.html

Israel's Foreign Ministry provides Free Internet Tool to online activists

Dear friends,

Many of us recognize the importance of the Internet as the new battleground for Israel's image. It's time to do it better, and coordinate our on-line efforts on behalf of Israel. An Israeli software company have developed a free, safe and useful tool for us - the Internet Megaphone.

Please go to www.giyus.org, download the Megaphone, and you will receive daily updates with instant links to important internet polls, problematic articles that require a talk back, etc.

We need 100,000 Megaphone users to make a difference. So, please distribute this mail to all Israel's supporters.

Do it now. For Israel.

Amir Gissin

Director Public Affairs (Hasbara) Department
Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article5239.shtml

Today's conflicts are won by public opinion.

Now is the time to be active and voice Israel's side to the world.

Join the effort in 3 easy steps:
Download and install Megaphone desktop tool
Receive desktop alerts on key articles and surveys
Click alerts to easily voice your opinion

Help us by reporting relevant articles and surveys.

http://www.giyus.org /

[uppityperson]

40. anyone that kills innocents is wrong. eom

[april]

42. give war a chance.....

By refusing to call on both sides to lay down their arms, President Bush is telling the rest of the world: “Give war a chance.” In the Middle East, like everywhere else in the world, Bush’s entire foreign policy consists of the simplistic assertion that we can bomb terrorists into submission.

That hasn’t worked in Iraq. And it’s not going to work in Lebanon, either.

[mitchtv]

52. Photos that cost Isreal its moral authority

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=115x62108

[long_green]

57. Hezbollah are cowards for not moving out into the open

and wearing clothing that screams, "Please blow me up."

Oooooookaaaaaay.....

[madrchsod]

58. oh my god!!!

those guys were going to shoot down a f16 with that? ...really these photo`s are to funny for words...

the herald sun? dam it just keeps getting more absurb

[Ms. Clio]

64. ANTI-AIRCRAFT = DEFENSIVE WEAPONS

if anything, the photos damn the IDF for bombing residential areas.

[Spinoza]

66. Too bad there aren't more dead

Israelis to even things up.
Suffering is huge on both sides.
http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=12238

But with Hezbollah deliberately storing and firing off missiles within heavily populated civilian areas, Israel has no way to fight back and win without inflicting heavy civilian casualties. The terrible death and destruction is not Israel's moral responsibility but Hezbollah's. The blood is on their hands