Woah! Hillary comes out swinging!

[montana500]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10889047/

"We have a culture of corruption, we have cronyism, we have incompetence,” she said. “I predict to you that this administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed our country.”

[Triana]

1. DU the poll!!

Was Hillary's "plantation" comparison too harsh?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10889272/

[H2O Man]

10. Done.

I'm glad that Hillary gave that speech. I hope that she is finding her sense of direction. That would mean that she will begin to address the problems in the Senate.

It was wonderful that she gave a tough talk about the House of Representatives, but she is a Senator, and should take care of Senate business, too.

[Ian David]

20. Done! 54% No n/t

Was Clinton's "plantation" comparison too harsh? * 4753 responses
Yes.
44%
No.
54%
I don't know.
2%

[mtnsnake]

48. I'll guarantee you that many from DU will vote against her in that poll

....unfortunately.

[DemonFighterLives]

55. You may be wrong

Many like myself have been disallusioned by Hillary.
But if she comes out swinging against the "Culture of Corruption", she will get Kudos.
Better yet if she would see the light about the war in Iraq and the impending war in Iran.
Come'on Hillary, take it to em.

We want nothing more than our leaders to do their jobs and represent the people.

[Cults4Bush]

64. I stand against Hil on many issues but I voted for her, I guess if Dennis

K had said the same thing other DU'ers would vote agianst him as well?

[helderheid]

53. DONE

[Vinca]

2. Wow - Hillary nailed it! nt

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. be sure to vote in the poll

you have to click on the link about whether her remarks were too harsh. So far, NO is at 55%, Yes at 45%. Trolls, before you rush over there to freep the poll, consider; how would you feel if the Dems were in power and acted this way?

[Hubert Flottz]

4. It's about time the democan'ts found their back bones!

Al has awakened the deadbeat democrats!

[rodeodance]

The RW is really knocking her for her use of 'plantation'

[still_one]

5. yawn

talking tough is nice, but for me actions speak louder than words

lets see if they fillibuster alito

[rodeodance]

8. many things have to move on all fronts. good for Hil

[still_one]

11. it has been six years of this crap, and now they have a backbone

I WANT ACTIONS

[rodeodance]

23. Hil's speech is a great start--as was Gore's. Thanks Hil

[mom cat]

63. That is my concern too! E-mail her and tell her to follow her tough

words with action!

[OzarkDem]

6. Also rate the story "high"

She's exactly right, I'd love to get a copy of the text of her speech.

[ComerPerro]

7. Too little, too late. And, besides, she is forgetting one crucial fact:

This adminstration gets to write history.

They will go down as the greatest administration ever.

In ten years, people will be building statues to Bush and naming schools after him.

[rodeodance]

12. I think you are wrong on this.

This adminstration gets to write history.

[ComerPerro]

19. Unless something changes, BushCo will stay in power for quite a while

History books that cover Reagan do so in a favorable light.

I can tell you right now, 9/11 will be written as a failure by intelligence agencies, and Bush will be written in as a victim who had these attacks dropped on him but stepped up and saved America.

[BOSSHOG]

13. In Iraq?

[Saturday]

15. It's never too late

to speak the truth. Good for Hillary.

[rodeodance]

35. BINGO

[sendero]

45. Exactly..

.... I'm no fan of Hillary's, but we should give credit where credit is due. It is due here. I never lose hope that our Dem leaders will "find their voice". And we need to offer them positive reinforcement when they please us. I'm pleased. :)

[enid602]

16. Reagan

Just like Reagan.

[Hubert Flottz]

17. And in thirty years, people will rip down those evil statues...

Like they did Hitler's, Stalin's and Saddam's!

[OzarkDem]

28. Check the polls

Bush is consistently unpopular as a president. That's not likely to change before the end of his administration.

http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm

Don't confuse the ability of the GOP to spend money and twist arms to honor Reagan with true public opinion.

[still_one]

31. polls don't mean sqwat

they reflect a moment in time, that can be altered with the right lies

When people are directly affected, that is when the neocons will fall. Right now there is not enough pain, but if we continue in this direction, there will be

Within ten years unless things change, economically we will have a disaster on our hands

[Name removed]

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[still_one]

42. you educate yourself, and I RESENT THAT YOU CALL ME A FREEP

READ THE DU RULES!!!

becasue someone doesn't agree with you DOESN'T GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO CALL ME A REPUKE!!!!!!!!

[ComerPerro]

37. You said it yourself

The GOP can spend money and twist arms.

Therefore, they get to write history.

Who cares what the public opinion is. When have they ever let a little thing like the truth get in their way?

[OzarkDem]

40. Not all pollsters are bought by the GOP

Buying influence and influencing public opinion are two very different things. The GOP may be able to buy influence in the public sector, but in the long run, public opinion will determine the perception of Bush and his administration.

Sorry to disappoint you, but Bush is a bad president and most Americans realize that and will remember it.

[ComerPerro]

43. You have more faith in the American public than I do

I am talking about history, as in, 50 years from now. By then, almost anyone who really remembers Bush will be either dead or very old and retired (hopefully).

The people who teach about Bush will only have history books to base their lessons on, and they will be very favorable of Bush.

[quiet.american]

50. Maybe not.

There will come a time when the mass graves in Iraq created by Bush's war of choice will come to light, along with all the other brutal markers of this administration. Once Bush and company lose the ability to jackboot all the information, photos and testimony they now suppress, history will not look favorably upon them.

[Sparkman]

58. Most Reptilicans HAVE A $$$ INTEREST driving their public opinion.

AND in my experience, so do those in large religious Repulicanista organizations.
Lets not forget that until their job is threatened, Americans like any other nation's citizenst, will not overthrow their leaders. Poverty and death squads (Russia/Chile/S. Africa/Nicaragua/Venezuela/INDIA ...?) runs rampant before the internal civil uprising breaches critical mass. please feel free to critique these thautz

[still_one]

29. I agree with you it is too little too late, but you are wrong about histor

right now most of the sheep in America are not affected by Iraq, having their jobs offshored, or not having health insurance

but as more and more are directly affected people will not forget who started this insanity, and it was bush and company

Of course, in reality they only have themseleves to blame because they voted these scum in

[ComerPerro]

38. Republican Politics 101

They will blame all problems on Democrats and liberals.

Can't afford health care? Its the Democrats fault, for supporting trial lawyers. They make your insurance rates go up.

Don't have a job? Its the Democrats fault, for not doing anything to stop illegal immigration.



The key point to remember here is, reality is irrelevant.

[still_one]

44. the truth will eventually come out

[ComerPerro]

46. I really hope so.

[rodeodance]

9. and recommend this post.

[Debau2005]

14. I bet Tracey Schmidt had a rough day yesterday!

First the assault on Gore's speech then on Hillary's. Poor thing she needs a valium. This may be too much action for her to handle in one day! Have they not learned that if you attack something it gets more attention?

"RNC spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt said: “On a day when Americans are focused on the legacy of Martin Luther King, Hillary Clinton is focused on the legacy of Hillary Clinton.”"

"A spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, Tracey Schmitt, attacked Gore's comments.
"Al Gore's incessant need to insert himself in the headline of the day is almost as glaring as his lack of understanding of the threats facing America," Schmitt said. "While the president works to protect Americans from terrorists, Democrats deliver no solutions of their own, only diatribes laden with inaccuracies and anger." "

[LizW]

30. Schmitt only has one response.

For someone making the money she probably does, you'd expect more.

[Garbo 2004]

47. And Bush is doing a great job, blowing the cover of a CIA op tracking and

working against the counterproliferation of WMD. Sole purpose is to try to keep that stuff out of the hands of terrorists. But this Administration decided their own political agenda overrode real national security concerns. As usual. So explain how that helped national security, Tracey, and why Bush did nothing but kept the folks responsible on the payroll.

So far as we can tell, Bush is primarily protecting his administration from pacifist Quakers and anyone else who critizes its policies.

Solution this Dem would suggest: impeach and indict.

[DemonFighterLives]

61. Well Tracey

As though dubby really cares about MLK or your damn stupid party?

Inaccuracies and anger seem to describe your stupid comments.
:silly:

[sandnsea]

18. Hillary gets a full article

A picture, and even a poll, such as it is. Hmm, it would appear some Democrats don't have a media blackout problem.

[rodeodance]

22. 4753 responses No. 54%

..Was Clinton's "plantation" comparison too harsh? * 4753 responses
Yes.
44%
No. 54%
I don't know.
2%

[sandnsea]

27. And?

I wasn't referring to the results of the poll, just the lame question that was chosen.

[rodeodance]

33. it makes headlines-that is what msnbc is concerned about.

[sandnsea]

41. Really?

You don't think they could have plucked out similar headlines from Conyers or Slaughter or Kucinich or a host of other Democrats?? No, it's not just about headlines.

[cali]

21. Everything she said

is going to get lost in the controversy of the plantation remarks. It's already happening. That aside, I have absolutely no use for her. I pledge to work diligently against her. Now part of this is a local issue for me. Here in Vermont we've been fighting for 2 years to keep a plant across the lake in NY from conducting tire burns without the needed filtering devices. The prevailing winds will blow all the dioxins and other crap spewing from the stacks into VT. Even our Repub Gov has been working to stop this from taking place. And what does Hillary do? She comes out in support of the tire burn. Screw her. She could have just kept her mouth shut. And it's not only that; she's waffled on everything, from choice to the flag, trying to have it every which way. And her position on the war is simply unacceptable. She hasn't taken a principled stand on anything.

[rodeodance]

25. and email the story--keep it 'popular'

[Green Mountain Dem]

34. Everything YOU said....

is RIGHT ON....and I will join you in the fight! We don't need no stinkin tire smoke drifting into our Green Mountains.

[Ian David]

24. I blame the video games. n/t

[chefgirl]

26. Yeah, well...

Sorry, but I'm just about done with Hillary, and while I'm at it, I'll add that I think if she's the nominee, it will be the absolute worst thing that could happen to the Democrats.

-chef-

[chimpymustgo]

32. I LOATHE that reference. A plantation? How about a concentration camp?

Clearly she is clueless about life on a f*cking plantation. Why doesn't she take a damn stand on Alito, the war? I am starting to hate her. I wish she would just go away. Just the worst sort of pandering.

[mtnsnake]

51. Pandering my butt. If anything, she's pandering to us Democrats

Only a true blue, staunch Democrat would say what she said about Bush. It's nice to see we've got at least on Democrat like her who's not a friggin wimp!

[quiet.american]

52. I have to admit, that was a purely pandering reference.

As an African-American, I had to do a double-take when she used the plantation reference and followed with "you know what I mean" or something like that.

How would anyone in that room know what she meant? When was the last time you met someone who worked on a plantation? Actually, now that I think of it, some of the older people in the room may have had parents who still worked on a plantation -- but still -- that reference was just too weird.

[simonalina]

62. While Gore spoke seriously, Hillary pandered.

I agree with you that the plantation reference was pure pandering. She's trying to get back into the good graces of those of us who are sick of her pandering to the right, pandering to the war, pandering to the pukes in power. She was unable to come up with anything to say along the lines of Gore (which was a great speech) and her only response was to try to be the "first black woman president".

[quiet.american]

66. Well said.

Hillary's GOT to realize times have changed. The same old patronizing lines are not going to hold the same amount of water they may have in the '90's. I'm interested to see where she goes from here. I can get past the plantation line IF she backs up the politic lip service with Boxer/Conyers/Feingold/Murtha/Byrd/Waters/ -like action.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Is it corrupt to support a war and occupation Hillary?

I think so.

[mtnsnake]

49. Oh pipe down for crise sake. Hillary is one of the few Democrats with

any backbone. In case you missed it, she just said something that we all agree on and that few other Democrats have had the guts to say themselves.

"I predict to you that this administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed our country." Music to my ears!!

Show me another high-profile Democrat who's said anything like that on a major public forum.

[Laughing Mirror]

57. Helen Thomas, Gore Vidal, just to name two

Did you happen to catch Al Gore's speech yesterday?

[mtnsnake]

60. Kudos to them, too

I like all of them

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

67. So, when is she going to "speak up" against the war? Rather than for it.

[MadHound]

54. Gee Hil, what would you know about dissent being suppressed?

I applaud her for finally coming out against this misadministration, but this little comment is quite funny, in a sad sort of way, since her dissention can be described as minimal, at best.

[pat_k]

56. Not corruption or cronyism. CRIMES. Not incompetence. CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE.

You don’t need to be a constitutional scholar to recognize such flagrant crimes and abuse of power You don't even need a high school diploma to know that the absolute power they wield is never freely given to a leader; it is only taken by deception or force.

We know all we need to know.

The public doesn't need investigations or reports; they just need their leaders to publicly declare the truth.

Supporting the pretense of their legitimacy by offering "plans" to them or asking for investigations, rather then fighting for Impeachment and removal from office, is to be complicit with their actions.

[LibDemAlways]

59. Hillary has been reading the polls and

believes she can now safely say this without fear of negative political consequences. She's nothing if not an opportunist.

[Clark2008]

65. I can't vote in favor of it, not because it's Hillary, but because it's

wrong.

Congress is the plantation owners and overseers - all of 'em who voted for the Iraqi War, the bankruptcy bill, who support MBNA.

We, the people, are the corporate slaves.

Congress isn't run like a plantation, it's run like a convention of elites.

I'll just not vote.

68. kick