I was thinking tonight. Bush must be pretty bad if he

[Crazy Guggenheim]

seems better .......



At least he wanted National Healthcare and got the door opened to China ..... That's very :scared: :scared: :scared:

[WCGreen]

1. I lived through both......

Bush, Jr. Makes 'em all seem great....

[Crazy Guggenheim]

2. Same here. I was berely a teen when Tricky Dick first got elected.

[WCGreen]

4. I was 11....

And I knew it was wrong, even at that tender age...

[Major Hogwash]

11. No Shit! Bush even makes Hoover look like the Jobs President!

And Coolidge look like the All-Involved-In-The-Details President!

You know what this proves don't cha?

That the "anybody can host Saturday Night Live" concept has been taken to the highest Federal level in our government!!

[TygrBright]

3. Yeh. I NEVER thought I'd feel nostalgic for ol' Tricky Dick...

...but the Negative Income Tax, the CETA program, etc., are all looking positively Gandhi-esque compared to *&Co's systematic smash-and-grab raid on Everyone Else.

After all, it was only booze and paranoia that made Nixon the shithead he was. He wasn't STUPID, too.

reminiscently,
Bright

[EFerrari]

5. Help me, we miss NIXON. n/t

[Crazy Guggenheim]

6. He put in the EPA too. However, Vietnam! 30,000+ Americans died

when he was in offics.

[Syrinx]

7. I posted pretty much the same thing a few weeks ago

Believe it or not, Nixon actually considered the idea of Guaranteed Minimum Income!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Nixon's ideas may have been wrong, and his megalomania made him do

unethical things to hold on power, but, unlike shrub, I think he fundamentally cared about governing and took it seriously.

That's why Nixon had serious meetings and discussions about issues with his cabinet, and shrub does not.

Paul O'Neill who served in both admins, writes eloquently of this in his "Price of Loyalty" book.

Shrub clearly doesn't give a shit about actually governing, the quickest glance over his performance during Katrina, and his shitty, substanceless cliche ridden "speeches", along with initiatives that are just mentioned for window dressing (mission to Mars, Rove in charge of rebuilding NOLA) and then forgotten immediately when realized to be unfeasible, tells you all you need to know.

[EFerrari]

9. He was a statesman. We don't seem to have those any more. n/t

[Crazy Guggenheim]

10. Has anybody read that book "Eyewitness to Power" by Dave Gergen?

I'd say about 1/3 of his book is about Nixon. Read the book.

[Major Hogwash]

12. Gergen was one of Nixon's speechwriters, wasn't he?

So, did Gergen think Nixon resigning was a great idea or just a good idea?

[Crazy Guggenheim]

13. He was a speechwriter. He thought it was great. BTW, Gergen does not like

John Dean; he views him as a "rat". It's interesting since Gergen voted for Humphrey in 68.

[Major Hogwash]

14. Gergen is just a Nixon apologist as far as I am concerned.

His bias is really obvious when he starts talking about Dean.

Humphrey, on the other hand, was just a rubber stamp for Johnson's policies.
He would have continued the Vietnam war just like Nixon did.

Gergen was for the Vietnam War back then.
But, he doesn't mention that aspect of his character that much anymore.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

15. In his book he did say he supported it. He's gotten more liberal though.

He was Communications Director under Clinton. He's ProChoice and 'large social safety net man'. He said he didn't get along that well with the conservatives in Reagan years. He says that he more in-line with the DLC. He also had an offer from the current Bush Admin but he turned it down since they "are too secretive." Overall he is more of a moderate Republican type.

[Major Hogwash]

19. Yeah, and look how well that worked out for Clinton!

With Gergen as his Communications Director!

He's like Chris Matthews - it's all about Chris.
I actually heard Chris say the other day on the Colbert Report that he was always against the Iraq war.

I thought, gees, Chris, did you forget about that book you were hawking back in January of 2003?
I didn't.

Gergen is more of a moderate than most Republicans, but he is still a Republican.
Also, when he worked with Reagan, he tore up Mondale in 1984, even after the debacle in Lebanon.

He's not as wacko as Pat Buchanan, who believes that Gitmo is a good idea.
Yet, he isn't able to explain the Iraq War in a logical, cohesive manner and that to me says volumes.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

16. Wasn't it John Dean that wrote "WorseThan Watergate"? What does that say?!

[EFerrari]

17. The center of the book is about secrecy -- how preternaturally

secretive this regime is. And, how secrecy fosters criminal activity. That's my recollection, anyway.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

25. I'm just starting it, finally!

thanks for the spoiler! :evilgrin:

:hug:

edit: punk.tu.ation

[EFerrari]

26. Sorry!

:blush:

[EFerrari]

22. This might be a connection between the two books:

WTW was itself a warning about allowing the Executive to accrue power, to operate in secret. Dean argued that the Iraq "war" is illegal.

His book went largely ignored. I think that could have spurred him to study why that happened, why this very clear warning of his was being ignored. And this book could be his answer to that question.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

23. Thanks. WTW is going to be my next read. Later is the "Conservative" one.

[EFerrari]

24. I just finished reading "Overthrow" and "Dark Ages America".

Both were excellent and instead of moving on, I think I need to read them both again. Together, they really show the play between our foreign policy and who we become as a people. Both were great reads, with DAA being a little more dense.

Dean is a terrific writer. When the goosebumps go away, I need to read this last work.

[SeattleGirl]

18. Compared to Bush, Nixon was a choir boy.

Not saying Nixon was "good", but Bush and the Evil Cabal really put Nixon to shame.

[EFerrari]

20. I think Rayguns was the pivot, the tipping point. Maybe

"it's morning again in America" is the first Orwellian catchphrase from the Thuggery.

[Major Hogwash]

21. That's because Cheney had just gotten introduced into Washington

by Rumsfeld at that time.

Did you see that documentary "Frontline: Dark Side"?