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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:19 PM
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John Dean says that 23% of Americans...
...are rightwing authoritarians.

He was on "Countdown" tonight promoting his new book, "Conservatives Without Conscience."
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mconvente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:20 PM
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1. that is scary
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:32 PM
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13. that interview is MUST SEE TV
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:17 PM
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32. video up
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:02 PM
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45. Thanks for the link, it is very much a must-see interview, imo!
Dean is more impressive every time I see him or read his work.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:11 PM
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48. damn!
That was pretty damn sobering. I do disagree with his ending though. I believe Fascism is already here. :(
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:18 PM
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49. Thanks. The interview of the year.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:59 PM
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37. Actually I think the number is a kinda' low (eom)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:41 AM
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61. Likewise.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:21 PM
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2. saw that
it was pretty scary, actually, because I post another board inhabited with morons of that caliber.

Dean called it so spot on. They are like robots.
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Epiphany4z Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:33 PM
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15. I post on aol board with
the same types....uggg..usually I don't have the patience but now then I need a good bar room brawl..a little red meat to keep me on my toes..lol..they are unbendable...even in the face of facts..direct in your face facts...nothing moves them from that path they are on.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:34 PM
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16. LOL
I quite enjoy slapping them around and insulting them.

And Bush :evilgrin:
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:48 PM
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26. So *'s poll numbers CAN go lower
more good news.
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:53 AM
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62. self-delete. posted wrong :-(
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 06:54 AM by Chimichurri
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:21 PM
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3. I saw his interview
scary thoughts. Bush is running out of options.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:22 PM
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4. yeah
that "terra" card isn't playing too well anymore.
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samplegirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:25 PM
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6. I wonder how many other shows
Dean will get interviewed with. Bring Hannity on!
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:39 PM
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43. He will be on the Daily Show tomorrow night n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:24 PM
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5. So That's His Guess On Bush's Bottom Line Poll Number?
The percentage who would not abandon him no matter what.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:26 PM
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7. He didn't phrase it that way, but that is one of way looking at it. NT
NT
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:27 PM
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10. That's his take on the percentage who not only will
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 07:27 PM by seasonedblue
follow bush, but will follow any neo-conservative on any issue. He says that although we're not in a fascist state right now...we're pretty close.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:03 PM
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38. we should all know we are closer to edge with fascism
call it for what it is fascism, we have all known this for a long time.

do you think it will shake the denial out of people, maybe not.
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Cameron27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 07:49 AM
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64. Dean suggested that a small proportion of the "lost"
can be flipped if presented with sufficient information.

I'm intriqued by this 23% who readily fall sway to authoritarian control. I wonder if this percentage is a constant in any significant population, ready to be unleashed, to be used, when an appropriate leader arrives.





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neoblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:26 PM
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8. Explains Cobert's "Backwash"... nt.
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pyro858 Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:26 PM
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9. "March right of a cliff " he said
That's no surprise, we all know cons are sheep. They need their "daddy" to tell them how to think.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:27 PM
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11. That's 23% too many...
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 07:29 PM by devilgrrl
I say let's whittle it down to less than 1%.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:29 PM
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12. how?
as Dean stated, these people are true believing morons. They are programmed to be following assholes. They lap up every lie and act of incompetence that Bush throws at them.

How?
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:33 PM
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14. You tell me, that was just a projected goal.
:shrug:

I assume that this 28% are chicken hawks - because they'd make for great cannon fodder. Guess that's why the BFEE needs illegal immigrants, because fighting their oil war is truly a job most Americans don't want.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:35 PM
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18. And Dean recognizes this crowd will do whatever it takes to get their way.
Su convinced of the rightness of their cause.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:43 PM
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54. it would be nothing for this type to justify election fraud
Dear Leader must not be denied a second term, after all! They'd easily justify throwing out Dem registrations, changing votes from Bush to Kerry with little white stickers, dreaming up fake lock-downs, etc etc.

"...cause Boosh is keepin' us safe!!!!!" :crazy:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:12 AM
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58. That's what Mark says in his BookTV segment on
Fooled Again.

That's exactly what he said: the ends justify the means if God is on your side.
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:35 PM
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17. Driven by fear....the need for a "Daddy".....
that's a very dangerous combination.....but it's not deadly. It becomes deadly when you mix it with an IQ of 100 or below....
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:52 PM
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50. driven by fear and in need of a daddy
essentially the diagnosis of bush from "bush on the couch". birds of a feather, i guess.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:37 PM
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19. Dean said that his book is meant as a warning
That we are not yet in a fascist state, but we are dangerously close.

Jaw-dropper of an interview. The book is a must read.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:37 PM
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20. I can't wait to buy it!!
:hi:
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:47 PM
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25. Me too
I'll have to peel some $$ out of somewhere, but I'm going to buy that book.

Heya CatWoman :hi:
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:39 PM
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21. Like a moth to a flame or a lemming off a cliff... n/t
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:40 PM
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22. Very, very troubling.
Take heed, America.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:42 PM
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23. Back in the seventies the cons worshipped
Augusto Pinochet of Chile. Today, I understand that the SS reform plan introduced by Bush was fashioned after the one Pinochet shoved down the throats of his own people.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:16 PM
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31. And now we're starting to learn how BAD Pinochet was.
Like we couldn't have known that?

I'm so embarassed that I didn't suspect that the CIA was behind the overthrow of Allende and the installation of Pinochet.

However, at that time, I couldn't conceive of the USA doing nefarious deeds like that all over the world. Unfortunately, now I know better.

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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:46 PM
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24. I've always said that their hard core was 27-37 % with a high of 37%
because of 9-11.

If it can be proven that the 19 hijackers were arranged and the vote in FL was stolen, it will drop to 23% - since I believe that some in that group have a logical mind and can finally figure out what they and we have lost.

What would be interesting to know is the % of leaders and profiteers in that 23% vs religious right vs unbending monied country club and non-born again loyalists.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:51 PM
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27. My best guess was 25-30%
Just this morning Mr Zola said that I was too high (not me, but my estimate :D). LOL, I guess he was right, but only by a hair.

This was really frightening to have our fears validated. We have our work cut out for us.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:56 PM
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28. At least 80% Rethugs are Fascists!
I have thought this for many years. The RW, for the most part, have not and do not believe in democracy.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:09 PM
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30. That's the range that gives wingnut answers to poll questions n/t
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:11 PM
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42. Activism. Activism. Those reverends have the religious core calling
in to programs like WJ and DeLay-Rovian tricksters call in everywhere and try to 'disturb' sites and programs such as DU.

Yep - only 23+ but they have orchestrated activism in a war machine way. Fronts on many levels.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 07:57 PM
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29. That was a sobering story
I totally believe what he was saying - we have a massive number or RW authoritarian followers in this country.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:20 PM
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33. He breaks them down into two groups: leaders and followers. And you know-
you might also draw the same distinction within the religious right. The leaders and followers are very different sorts in that crowd as well. Seems like the leaders desire nothing but wealth and power, and are essentially amoral, while the followers just want to be told what to think.

Hmm.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:25 PM
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34. This clearly explains
why Democrats or liberals do not, and cannot, speak with "one voice." Even though the media keeps trying to paint it as our weakness, I believe it's our strength and what will ultimately save this country (if it's not too late). I found it interesting that John Dean stated that while probably only 1 percent of liberals are authoritarian, 23 percent of those who identify themselves as conservative are hard-core authoritarians. This is definitely a scary statistic.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:32 PM
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35. Wonder if Dean would put John McCain in this category ?
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 08:58 PM
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36. I've come to respect John Dean more and more
He's got more patriotism in his left toenail than all the members of freeperland combined. Maybe Keith only did half of his show tonight, but that first segment was KILLER.

If anyone missed it, Countdown replays later this evening and tomorrow morning. Watch it.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:08 PM
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41. John Dean first book was great
Worse Than Watergate, and everything he said in that book was true, his next book will be just as good.

Very good interview and we did have our questions validated. Close to the edge of fascism. Fascism or Democracy what would you choose?
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 04:17 AM
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60. The "F" word is starting to bubble to the top, isn't it?
When "Worse Then Watergate" was first released, the librarian in my local branch of the county library led me over to the "New Releases" section. "This is a good one," he said, pulling it out and handing it to me. He was right.

But I won't be checking out "Conservatives Without Conscience." No, this one is going to be PURCHASED. Helloooooooooooooo, Amazon...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:57 AM
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69. That was
his 6th book. It was his best yet. The new one looks to be of similar quality.
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godhatesrepublicans Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:05 PM
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39. OK, so that's about 69 million people; if we gave them Texas....
...Arizona and New Mexico as "Red State Land" do you think we could get them to just sort of go away?
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:04 PM
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46. Excuse me. I live in Texas -
and despite what you may think, there are a lot of Democrats here. We don't want them.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:10 PM
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47. How 'bout we keep NM & give them Utah?
NM is a borderline blue state anyway; UT is a lost cause.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 09:06 PM
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40. Sounds about right.
Edited on Mon Jul-10-06 09:07 PM by Vidar
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:01 PM
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44. As Dean spoke I thought of one particular group of people
Freepers. That study described them to a tee.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 10:57 PM
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51. Yup. Freeps would go over a cliff if Rushbo asked them to.
:dunce::dunce: :dunce::dunce:They're a bunch of dimwitted morans:dunce:
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:37 PM
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53. only he won't ask them to go over a cliff.....he'll ask them to
throw us off a fucking cliff !!!...be warned....be ready.....
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:05 PM
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52. that sounds about right -- I would guess
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-10-06 11:58 PM
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55. I'd say 23-30 percent, agreed. Certainly consistent with what I see on
a day to day basis.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 02:57 AM
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56. Pretty much fits the RWer at my office
Nice enough until you start asking those scruples questions...

We were having drinks and asked the question "What superpower would you have if you were a superhero?"

Her answer: The ability to control peoples minds, so she could make them do what she wanted.

Everyone was just kind of...floored.

She hates the Nazi comparison too.
:eyes:
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 12:16 PM
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65. I'll bet Cheney's the guy who floats her boat. (eom)
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 08:52 PM
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66. Never brought him up
Edited on Tue Jul-11-06 09:13 PM by YOY
We try to avoid talking politics at the office. She has mentioned 'her boy' Bush, of which I usually mention something about fake Cowboys or 'mission accomplished.' Whenever she brings up Clinton, I usually mock desparation and say 'Oh how did we ever survive those dark years???'

We have a mutual understanding just not to bring it up so name calling or telling someone to 'get out of my country' doesn't happen.

That being said I think she's just rather inexperienced and naive. I gather there may be hope yet to save her if someone can ween her off of the RW radio pundits she listens to with earphones.

She's also got some weird hangups about maried couples having sex. She mentions that when she sees a pregant couple she things they've been doing 'something naughty.' Mind you, my wife is 8 months preggers...amazing, but she can be a rather nice person at times...she just needs some serious help (or to meet a nice liberal guy to show her the way...he'd have his work cut out for him.)
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 10:40 PM
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67. There's a giant clue on why she's a 23 percenter.
She's got hangups about MARRIED people having sex.:crazy:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 05:39 AM
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68. Yeah...kind of like the mom from Stephen King's Carrie
Dirty Pillows!!!
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:00 AM
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57. 64% of all statistics are made up
n/t
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Dunedain Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 03:19 AM
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59. steven wright
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Chimichurri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-11-06 06:54 AM
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63. instead of courting these brick walls the dems must go after the
majority of americans who do NOT vote. Because of their tunnel vision, we will continue to loose this battle.

This interview is beyond compelling and everyone should see it.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-12-06 06:23 AM
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70. Dean to be on Diane Rehm show today
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/06/07/12.php#11324

Wednesday July 12, 2006

Join the show: 1-800-433-8850 ([email protected])

10:00Executive Power in the War on Terrorism

The Bush administration announced it is extending Geneva Convention protections to detainees in the war on terrorism. Diane and her guests talk about this shift and other ways the White House might respond to a court decision against its policies, and to criticism from Congress and European allies.

Guests
Douglas W. Kmiec, professor of constitutional law and Caruso family chair in constitutional law at Pepperdine University

David Cole, professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center and author of "Less Safe, Less Free," and "Terrorism and the Constitution."

Bruce Fein, former associate deputy attorney general, Republican counsel during the Iran-contra hearings, and founding partner with the Lichfield Group

John Dean, counsel to President Nixon during Watergate. He is a retired investment banker and best selling author of "Worse Than Watergate."

Dick Thornburgh, former U.S. Attorney General

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