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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:25 AM
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How did we lose the momentum?
As srewed up as things are, how is it that we're not assured of GOP landslide losses this fall? I heard Alterman on with Seder today and he said that the Dems are blowing it. The right's back in full force, framing the debate with their media machine - NY Times being the latest. Forget any real talk of just how deep Abramoff went, Saipan, truth about Iraq. It aint happenin'. People are more worried that Superman, a fictional character, ferfucksake, says 'the american way' or not.

It keeps going back to the media. As long they have it, we don't have a prayer. So thanks, again, Bill Clinton, for signing that damn '96 telcomm bill!
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:32 AM
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1. I've got to say that I'm not confident about Nov. either.
:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
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jerry611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:40 AM
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2. Immigration, flag-burning, gay marriage
Democrats stood and did nothing during the immigration debate. And that probably ended up costing votes because there are many Democrats that are angry about illegal immigration.

And the Dems should have called the GOP's bluff. Pass the flag-burning and gay marriage bans. I gurantee you that the GOP would kill the amendment themselves because they need the wedge issues.

Karl Rove is also playing his chess game again. And the DNC doesn't have a clue how to play.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:44 AM
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5. I get so mad at this. The Dems don't even know there is a game going on!
:popcorn: :popcorn:
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:42 AM
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3. The corporate news media has proven to be the bane of leftism in the US
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 12:44 AM by Selatius
The corporate news media simply reports viewpoints instead of objectively analyzing the viewpoints of the talkers with facts and evidence. As a result, I could have a segment where one side says we should go to war with Iran in the name of freedom and the other side objecting citing military difficulties and political ramifications of such a war. Absent, however, is the clear anti-war voice that opposes war not on technical grounds but on principle. Anti-war folks, as a result, are more likely to feel vulnerable, isolated, which can hinder their ability to organize.

This is social engineering on such a subtle yet effective level that it puts to shame the propaganda ministry of Nazi Germany or the propaganda of the old Soviet Empire. Our propaganda, compared to theirs, is incredibly sophisticated, and it is multi-faceted. If it is not altering the terms of the debate against leftism, then it is filling the airwaves with inane, inconsequential stories that are relatively unimportant to issues of the state and issues of war and peace.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:42 AM
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4. Sometimes I think we can't see the forest for the trees.
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 12:44 AM by Skip Intro
America is sick of bush. America does not want what it has in the way of "leadership." America rejects bush and his insanity.

That won't change.

What daily impression among those who monitor this and that with the microscope appear to me at times to be irrelevant. The big truth is, America has had enough of bush and his party.

Whether that will be allowed to carry the day in November is a big damned question mark. But I don't sense any loss of momentum. I sense instead a change of camera angles in some fake wrestling exhibition put on for the benefit of those watching.

If the votes are counted, as cast, Dems win. If the votes aren't counted accurately, then its all moot anyway.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:12 AM
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11. You're right. There's an awful lot of defeatism around here lately.
People have lost all perspective since Fitz declined to indict Rover. Confusion. Fatalism. Even, parroting the Repug line.:(
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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:57 AM
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17. You are exactly right.
The big truth is, America has had enough of bush and his party.

This is my sense of the public as well. Remember "Clinton fatigue"? (Of course, what we were actually "fatigued" by back then was the constant screeching from the right wing, trying to force Clinton out of office any way they could.)

I've been sick of bush since I first heard of the twerp back in '99. For others, it has taken five years of continuous attacks on America and its Constitution by the soulless, greedy criminals we have "elected" to run America into the ground.

We're sick of bush, sick of cheney, sick of rumsfeld, rice - the whole lot of them. I want them all to go away to an undisclosed location which can then be permanently sealed so we will never have to see any of them ever again!
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:54 AM
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6. it was RAY-GUN!!! WHO DISMANTLED THE FCC what's this Clinton lie?
Edited on Tue Jul-04-06 12:55 AM by Jeffersons Ghost
Where are you from Venus? Clinton did nothing by comparison. Anyone who can't see the plan to create a ruling/peasant class system goes back at least to that overpaid actor is a blind fool.
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Crazy Guggenheim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:09 AM
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10. I think YOU are also confused about the Telecommunications Bill of 1996.
Though the OP was confused about the one that Reagan signed, Clinton did sign one in 1996 that deregulated phone companies. Please! You do not have to strike out at other DUer's over a simple mistake!
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 04:25 PM
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18. clinton allowed radio conglomerates
the 96 bill led to clear channel-which pushed talk radio to new levels. seeing that there was money to be made from one-sided garbage posing as 'news', faux news followed shortly thereafter
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 12:56 AM
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7. We have one weapon that we need to be using every day
and it is highly effective. Many DU-ers are great at just getting one little statement in during a random meeting with complete strangers. . .at the store, the gas station, at work, on the street. Every single one of us needs to touch each person to remind them that we see how screwed up the country is, and we know the Republicans are to blame - believe me, every reinforcing thought that is shared with friends, neighbors, complete strangers helps reinforce THEM to offer their thoughts with even more people.

Americans are often the most reactionary when there is relative silence before an election. . .and then we collectively throw the bums out. This is definitely a "throw the bums out!" year. We are lucky that we have so many, many, many talking points. Someone crows about gay marriage, ask them how they felt about the Republicans disrespecting the Schiavo marriage. . .and if they are ready to give up using contraception because you read that the GOP intends to outlaw that too. . .plant the ideas in their minds. People are extremely fed up with this Administration and Congress - and are sick of the demands of the "religious" Right.

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jackbourassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:02 AM
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8. The Republicans are framing the debate...true...
But are the American people buying it? I say no. The polls for Democrats keep going up. We have a 13 to 20% lead in the polls...how is that not a landslide type of situation?

Remember that the Republicans beat the Dems in 1994 by only 10%, and that caused a political earthquake. Don't be so negative.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:09 AM
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9. The MSM is Only Allowed Off The Reservation BETWEEN Election Cycles
Karl made a few phone calls and laid down the law.


Now that the BFEE has gotten the CIA firmly under its control
so they could shut down that pesky Fitzgerald investigation,
Karl is back in the saddle and the media will do whatever he says.

No straying from The Message is allowed during an election cycle. None.

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:21 AM
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12. Have Hope, we gonna do it with Reason and Sanity with a dose
of Common Sense.

If anything, Peeps can count Money...more peeps have Lost than Gained under this Bush/Pub thingy...the peeps are pissed.
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ConsAreLiars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 01:25 AM
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13. When half the party (the top half) are compliciit with the corporatist
agenda, it gets pretty hard to become a true party of the people. When they owe allegience the enemies of the people, most people will have a hard time seeing the difference and abstain, and many will be swayed by whatever fluff and smoke gets thron in front of them. If their leadership won't stand for the common good, the what good are they for the common person.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 02:32 AM
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14. Thank you for your concern.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 03:19 AM
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15. We'll see. Keep in mind things haven't been this screwed up in recent
memory.

We know we won the presidency in 2000.

I don't know everything about the Ohio vote-counting debacle in 2004, but if we honestly didn't win 2004, we came damn, damn close.

I remain confident, but we cannot allow any more swift-boating without fighting back with everything in our arsenal.

We did fail to do so in '04.
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mikeyj84 Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-04-06 06:41 AM
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16. No One To Blame But The American People
The American People have no one to blame except themselves. They buy into all the media Bullshit, a lot have become one issue voters, instead of looking at the whole picture. At any Given time, less than half of the electorate vote. People need to wake up and take control of the situation, in stead of crying " woe is me". take control of your destiny, the people have the power!!!!!!!!!
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