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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:39 AM
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Sounds like the Iraqis just about got into the Green Zone yesterday
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/focusoniraq/2006/June/focusoniraq_June173.xml§ion=focusoniraq&col=

Iraqis declare state of emergency in Baghdad after fierce fighting with insurgents
(AP)

24 June 2006



BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq’s government clamped a state of emergency on Baghdad and ordered everyone off the streets after US and Iraqi forces battled insurgents armed with rocket-propelled grenades, hand grenades and rifles near the heavily fortified Green Zone.

The military also on Friday announced the deaths of five more US troops in a particularly violent week for American forces that included the discovery of the brutalized bodies of two soldiers. Twelve US servicemembers have died or been found dead this week.

The fierce fighting in the heart of Baghdad came despite a crackdown launched 10 days ago that put tens of thousands of US-backed Iraqi troops on the streets as the new prime minister sought to restore a modicum of safety for the capital’s 6 million people.

Iraqi and US military forces clashed with heavily armed attackers throughout the morning Friday in the alleys and doorways along Haifa Street and within earshot of the Green Zone, which houses the US and British embassies and Iraqi government headquarters.

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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:42 AM
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1. Nah, the real story was in Liberty City
Or as Nance Greggs put it in her blog, "a bunch of homeless guys in Miami about to blow up buildings all over the continental United States (without weapons, ammunition, explosives, or even the necessary funds for a bus ticket)."

That's WAAAAY more important than what's happening in Iraq. Look over there! Shiny!
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:44 AM
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2. the continued presence of US forces in Iraq . . .
and their "digging in" in the green zone and the new "Vatican City" (US embassy) can lead to nothing but tragic results . . . someday, somehow, someone is going to stage an attack that kills/injures many, many Americans . . . remember the Marine barracks in Lebanon? . . .

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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:38 PM
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10. but it won't faze the deciderator, he don't lose his nerve you know
Edited on Sat Jun-24-06 12:41 PM by madokie
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:44 AM
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3. I would bet the insurgents' main goal
is to blow up the US embassy. It's the symbol of Smirk's oppression and arrogance.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:45 AM
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4. There goes Bush's two point bounce!
Poof!
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:50 AM
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5. They will continue to target the green zone
and when they do attack it and kill and cause damage, "conservatives" will whine about liberals aiding the enemy and they'll wave their flags then they'll party on the weekend. We have no plan and we have no course to stay. Our kids are just targets and "conservatives" don't care when they get slaughtered, because they are way to proud (a sin?) to admit they have been wrong all along.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:01 AM
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7. Exactly. The Green Zone will get penetrated sooner or later.
What will BushCo say then? Besides blame it on Bill Clinton.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 11:31 AM
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8. What is it they say
about pride? Something about a fall? Yes, that is it. Pride goes before destruction, and a stiff spirit before a fall. Bless our poor children caught in the middle of this mess.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 10:56 AM
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6. 135,000 troops in a country of 24 million of which 80% + .....
.... want us dead and or gone. Sooner or later the helicopters have to land,
the troops have to emerge from their fortified bunkers, and "they" have to travel
down the roads ......

Welcome to Hell.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-24-06 12:31 PM
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9. Remind you of anything?
Tet Offensive

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The After-Effects of Tet

The Tet Offensive and Khe Sanh may well have reminded Johnson and Westmoreland of the Duke of Wellington's dictum:
"If there's anything more melancholy than a battle lost, it's a battle won". Giap had been frustrated at Khe Sanh and defeated in South Vietnam's cities. NVA/VC dead totaled some 45,000 and the number of prisoners nearly 7000. But the shockwave of the battle finished Johnson's willingness to carry on. Westmoreland was pressuring Washington for 206,000 troops to carry on the campaign in the South and to make a limited invasion of North Vietnam just above the DMZ. As the battle for Hue died out, Johnson asked Clark Clifford (who had recently replaced a disillusioned McNamara as Secretary of Defense) to find ways and means of meeting Westmoreland's request.
Clifford and an advisor group looked at the war to date, and among others, consulted CIA Director Richard Helms who presented the Agency's gloomy forecasts in great detail. On March 4th Clifford told Johnson that the war was far from won and that more men would make little difference. Johnson then turned to his chief group of informal advisors (which included among others, Generals Omar Bradley, Matthew Ridgway, and Maxwell Taylor; Cyrus Vance, Dean Acheson, and Henry Cabot Lodge). Johnson soon found that they too, like Clifford, had turned against the war. According to Thomas Powers, Johnson's "wise old men" had been told that recent CIA studies showed that the pacification programme was failing in forty of South Vietnam's forty-four provinces and that the NLF's manpower was actually twice the number that had been estimated previously. Not only had Tet shown that the optimism of the previous year had been an illusion, but it now seemed that the enemy was far stronger than anybody had thought, and that the long efforts to win Vietnamese "hearts and minds" had largely been a disaster.

If Tet wasn't a full-scale shock to the American public, it was at the very least, an awakening. The enemy that Johnson and the generals had described as moribund had shown itself to be very alive and, as yet, unbeaten. America and its ARVN ally had suffered over 4,300 killed in action, some 16,000 wounded and over 1,000 missing in action. The fact that the enemy suffered far more and had lost a major gamble mattered little, because the war looked like a never ending conflict without any definite, realistic objective. The scenes of desolation in Saigon, Hue, and other cities looked to be war without purpose or end. Perhaps the most quoted US officer of the time was the one who explained the destruction of about one-third of the provincial capital of Ben Tre with unintended black humor: "It became necessary to destroy it," he said, "in order to save it". For many, this oft-quoted statement was not just a classic example of Pentagon double-think but also a symbol of the war's futility. Westmoreland became the parody "General Waste-mor-land" of the anti-war movement.

Being against the war became more-or-less politically respectable for liberal elements. Robert Kennedy spoke of giving up the illusion of victory, and Democratic Senator Eugene McCarthy challenged Johnson for the Presidential nomination on a peace platform. He was supported by thousands of students and young Americans opposed to the war. Vocal elements of the extreme right largely supported the war, but condemned the Administration for not going all out for victory. The JCS backed Westmoreland but convinced him to settle for half of the over 200,000 additional troops he wanted to take the initiative. The JCS then reported to the White House that the extra men were needed to get things back to normal following the battles of the Tet Offensive.

Johnson's dilemma was complete. He couldn't meet the generals' manpower requests without either depleting Europe of American troops -- which was unacceptable -- or calling up the active reserves -- which would have been a political disaster. His most senior advisors had turned against the war and Johnson took another briefing from the CIA analyst whose gloomy reports had soured some of his most hawkish counselors. A few days after this briefing, Johnson went on TV to announce a bombing halt of the North and America's willingness to meet with the North Vietnamese to seek a peace settlement. Johnson then said that he was not a candidate for reelection under any circumstances and would spend the rest of his term in a search for peace in Indochina.

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Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
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