If you want to find a group of crazy terrorists, look in our White House.

[Philosoraptor]

I know where they are right now, they're right over there in the white house. I've seen their faces on t.v., I've seen what they've done, and what they are plotting to do to destroy our nation and take away our rights and freedoms through violence and division.

Why isn't the Dept. of Homeland Hysteria rounding them up?

These men are almost all white, wear real nice suits, are well connected and they have infiltrated our infrastructure, and they mean us great harm.

Yet no one is stopping them or even aware that they are there. Its amazing really, the way they do it right under our noses in full view, yet millions don't even see them.

I'm serious here, you can accuse them of the exact things they are accusing "the enemy" of.

We need Democrats with guts who are willing to call them what they are.

[babylonsister]

1. Amen, brotha! nt

[Minnesota Libra]

2. I agree with much of what you say but I think you're misguided on.........

.....your implied reference to less than motivated Democrats with this statement....."We need Democrats with guts who are willing to call them what they are."

Now excuse me, but have you been listening to any TV or radio at all recently?? If so you must be at least slightly aware that people like Dean, Edwards, Feingold, Gore, and many other Liberals have been speaking out against this administration every time the media would give them even a moment or two of air time.

If you think Liberals aren't doing a good enough job of speaking out against neocons then maybe providing a 24/7 network/cable outlet that would give Liberals priority would be most appreciated by me and tens of thousands of other Liberals.

In the meantime, maybe at least acknowledging that Liberals do try to counteract the neocons would be nice. Oh, and while you're at all this, do us all a favor please, and talk :patriot: Al Gore:patriot: into running in 08O8)

[Philosoraptor]

3. None of them will use these terminologies.

None will dare call Bush and his men what they are, the actual word, "terrorists".

We need to address this head on. They call us terrorists all the time, without saying it, they say we support them and give them aid and comfort, which is bullshit.

[Minnesota Libra]

4. Ok, I'll accept your point the bush administration being terrorists.......

....and I would agree too. But you didn't address the media issue which directly affects whether Democrats can get their message out on a regular basis or not.

What, if anything, do you see as a solution for that??:shrug:

[Philosoraptor]

5. It would be nice to have a Liberal version of Fox news.

They do it openly, they are the direct line from the white house and Karl. I see it as criminal propaganda, but they are getting away with everything now.

I wish we had one, on 24/7, with just the liberal agenda, but I don't see one out there or in the future.

I do accuse the Democratic leaders of not SCREAMING back in their faces enough, they play way too nice.

[Minnesota Libra]

6. You're dancing around the issue of what .......

....if anything YOU plan to do about it?? I'd like to hear your ideas because maybe I could add them to my own efforts.

[Philosoraptor]

7. I plan on doing nothing. I plan on letting others save me.

I'm being sarcastic, I'm not avoiding the question, I'm clueless and I admit it. I'm just one schmuck out here. Whenever I bring up these subjects I often get asked, "well, what are YOU doing about it"?

Nothing. That's what I and milions of others are doing. We write our congressmen, we vote, we whine, we do everything but what needs to be done, and if you mention that, you get called a kook.

[Minnesota Libra]

9. I was hoping you'd mention convincing "one person at a time" that.........

....this country is worth fighting for. Do you really think our forefathers had it easy?? They didn't even have a media to help them get the word out and for all intensive purposes neither do we. The media(TV, radio, newsprint) are all owned or answerable to a company owned by the neocons. So it stands to reason the media won't be helping Democrats any time soon. Therefore, we are left with one-on-one communication to get this job done.

Remember Ben Franklin was NOT a patriot until well into the fight to break away from England. So this effort for us won't be overnight either.

I can totally understand you being discouraged. Heaven knows I've been there and done that one many more times than I care to admit. Even so, we need to pick each other up when one falls and encourage them to carry on for the good of everyone.

So come on, get up and give me a :hug: :hi:Friends??:headbang:

[pberq]

8. suppose every single Democrat in Congress

said this every day. Do you really think the media could bury it?

[Minnesota Libra]

11. Yes, I think they would, the media is neocon owned. nt

[FloridaPat]

10. The US has been the biggest exporter of terrorists in the world.

For decades. The College of the Americas has trained terrorists for S. American countries for decades. Reagan and Bush 1 were responsible for the training and funding of bin Ladin and his al Qaeda group. And now there's Georgie. War criminals one and all.

[w4rma]

12. LOL!! The Department of Homeland Hysteria! Perfect description. (nt)

[truth2power]

13. I called both my senators

and told the staff person the same thing last week.

Said the only terrorists that scare me are residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I don't delude myself that they give a crap!

[Canuckistanian]

14. Hmm, religious fanatics, financed by oil money

Violent, ruthless, contemptuous of laws, allied with covert religious organizations, spouting hatred, anti-democtratic, self-righteous moralizing, crazy ideologies.....

Yup, guess you're right!

[WA98296]

15. Agreed, but those guys see U.S. citizens as their only real threat.

When are citizens going to figure out that almost every time those assholes refer to fighting "terrorists" they are referring to everyone here that isn't "with" them.

So, WHERE are the DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES with the guts to step outside the box and call this what it is -- a DICTATORSHIP?

[gordianot]

16. Identifying or creating domestic enemies is a logical 2nd step.

Fascism and reactionary groups are still in the early stages. I wonder what the founding fathers would have said.

[pat_k]

17. Mushroom clouds in 45 min = Most colossal terroristic threat in history

They TERRORIZED the American people with the most colossal bomb threat in history (mushroom clouds in 45 minutes).

"They terrorized us" is something I'd like to see forced into the echo chamber. Lying is too tepid a label for their acts, "Cherry picking" a mealy-mouthed nothing. They terrorized us. They committed treason.

Each and every violation comes back to their treasonous claim to the right to exercise absolute power.

For every abuse, national and international, they have sought cover in their so-called "theory" of urinary⁽¹⁾ authoritarian executive power; the fascist fantasy that as long as they claim they are acting to "defend" us, they can usurp our collective sovereignty, violate our laws, commit international crime in our name, and destroy our institutions to serve themselves.

Every time Bush, Cheney, or their minions invoke urinary authoritarian power as their get out of jail free card, they declare themselves traitors. This high crime subsumes all others. It is all we need to force them from power tomorrow.

Their many immoral atrocities -- torture Gulags, terroristic threats of Mushroom Clouds, criminal war of aggression, massive program of spying on us without warrant or legitimate authorization, on and on -- are the proofs that they recognize NO limits on their power. We know all we need to know to impeach and remove right now. Comprehensive investigation and congressional hearings of the specific crimes (those that have been exposed and those that as yet remain secret) can follow.

Despots who claim absolute power use it. Impeachment is not simply a means to hold them accountable for nuking the constitution with their claim to dictatorial power, it is the ONLY way we can protect ourselves against future atrocities.

Given the gravity and urgency, members of Congress have a sworn duty to do whatever they must to see that Bush and Cheney are forced to resign, or Impeached and removed.

Their duty is self-evident, and yet they fail to act.

Some of them are immobilized by the denial and rationalizations that pervades their insular DC world; some are ignorant of their duty; others are in cahoots with the bushcheney regime. But, whatever may be behind a particular member's failure, it is up to us to challenge them and make their inescapable duty to clear to them.

They are just people. Confronting them and chipping away at their rationalizations does not require great numbers, but it does require us to do more than write letters, call, or march.

To be effective, we must enter their world, seek meetings, engage them (and senior staff) in dialog, challenge their rationalizations, and hold them to their oath.

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(1) The right to piss on the constitution.

[pberq]

18. Great post! - let's repeat this as much as possible

[pat_k]

19. Thanks for the vote of confidence

For what it is worth, have been posting, or some variation, here and there today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1504066&mesg_id=1504161

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1504092&mesg_id=1504133

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1503755&mesg_id=1504030

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2694898&mesg_id=2695539

. . .

[Philosoraptor]

20. If we've cut and run on anything, its IMPEACHMENT.

[Arkham House]

21. Good old Philosoraptor...as usual, hitting the nail on the head...

I don't *think* these lunatics are ever going to the Hague...but anything can happen in politics, and I have a funny feeling that we're not all that far away from a real sea change in our national life...and we'll all look back on this as a nightmare...meanwhile, keep on calling them as you see them...

[pat_k]

22. The prospect of facing trial at the Hague ups the stakes. . .

. . .Impeachment pales in comparison.

And they can't say they weren't warned.

The following is from THE MEMO, by JANE MAYER, 2/27/06 -- Jane Mayer's report on a twenty-two-page memo written by Alberto Mora, outgoing general counsel of the United States Navy. Her article is the best factual summary I've seen of the timeline and players in the Bush regime's War Crimes. See The criminally insane fascist fantasies of John Yoo for a summary and discussion.

In particular:

Just a few months ago, Mora attended a meeting in Rumsfeld’s private conference room at the Pentagon, called by Gordon England, the Deputy Defense Secretary, to discuss a proposed new directive defining the military’s detention policy. The civilian Secretaries of the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy were present, along with the highest-ranking officers of each service, and some half-dozen military lawyers. Matthew Waxman, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs, had proposed making it official Pentagon policy to treat detainees in accordance with Common Article Three of the Geneva conventions, which bars cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment, as well as outrages against human dignity. . .

. . One by one, the military officers argued for returning the U.S. to what they called the high ground. But two people opposed it. One was Stephen Cambone, the under-secretary of defense for intelligence; the other was Haynes. They argued that the articulated standard would limit America’s "flexibility." It also might expose Administration officials to charges of war crimes: if Common Article Three became the standard for treatment, then it might become a crime to violate it. Their opposition was enough to scuttle the proposal. . .

In exasperation, according to another participant, Mora said that whether the Pentagon enshrined it as official policy or not, the Geneva conventions were already written into both U.S. and international law. Any grave breach of them, at home or abroad, was classified as a war crime. To emphasize his position, he took out a copy of the text of U.S. Code 18.2441, the War Crimes Act, which forbids the violation of Common Article Three, and read from it. The point, Mora told me, was that "it’s a statute. It exists—we’re not free to disregard it. We’re bound by it. It’s been adopted by the Congress. And we’re not the only interpreters of it. Other nations could have U.S. officials arrested.". . .

Over and over, they acknowledge their actions are crimes. They look for cover in their fascist fantasies, but their words and actions make it crystal clear that they do not expect those fantasies to hold.

Like the felonious five did in Bush v. Gore (None Dare Call it Treason), these people, "left their incriminating fingerprints everywhere, showing an unmistakable consciousness of guilt on their part."

malice aforethought
n. 1) the conscious intent to cause death or great bodily harm to another person before a person commits the crime. 2) a general evil and depraved state of mind in which the person is unconcerned for the lives of others.

[Arkham House]

23. Excellent post!

Indeed--the "consciousness of guilt" is all over this regime. They *know* they're criminals...and I'm glad you tied in the Coup of 2000, and cited Bugliosi's book...that was the greatest polemic of our generation. And so much of what ails this country goes right back to the Court's illegal action...