The Levin-Reed and Kerry-Feingold amendments are like night and day!

[ProSense]

During the debate last night Kerry reiterated and Warner clarified in depth that Kerry's plan would become law (binding), and that what Levin-Reed is offering is a non-binding sense of the Senate resolution. That's a huge difference! It's the difference between holding Bush accountable by force of law and giving him the option (because it's not legally binding) to stay the course!

[Mr_Spock]

1. Do the Dems control the Senate now?

We seem to be acting like we have a majority.

[ProSense]

5. We? Both will fail, that's clear. They are still different! n/t

[Mass]

2. I think most of us understand that. It would have been better to vote

for Kerry-Feingold, but let at least hope that nobody else than Lieberman will vote against Levin, because, even if it is toothless, it at least talks about troop withdrawal.

[LSK]

3. they have one thing in common, both had no chance to pass

The GOP is unified. So why not more support for the Kerry/Feingold one?

[SteppingRazor]

4. Another thing in common: Neither would force Bush to do anything...

If Kerry/Feingold had actually passed the Senate and the House, Bush would've vetoed it.

[Mass]

7. In this case, we can just sit and watch. I guess it is what some think.

[ProSense]

8. If it passed and was vetoed, a veto can be overridden! Hypotheticals n/t

[SteppingRazor]

9. Sure, the whole thing's hypothetical anyway...

though I would point out that, even if we controlled Congress by the same amount that the GOP currently does, there's no way we could override a veto.

But, in any case, you're right. This is purely hypothetical. The Dems knew it wouldn't pass, and so they should have taken the most principled stand they could.

[Mass]

6. Afraid to be labelled cut and run, though they will anyway.

What some dont seem to understand is that they will be smeared whatever they say.

[babylonsister]

10. So Levin's sounds repug-lite. Sigh. But it won't matter, will it. nt

[ray of light]

11. thanks for the deeper explanation.

I know I needed further explanation earlier when I thought it was simply about the deadline.