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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:02 AM
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Clinton Defense officials: Strike Korean missile before it can be launched
WP: If Necessary, Strike and Destroy
North Korea Cannot Be Allowed to Test This Missile
By Ashton B. Carter and William J. Perry
Thursday, June 22, 2006; Page A29

North Korean technicians are reportedly in the final stages of fueling a long-range ballistic missile that some experts estimate can deliver a deadly payload to the United States. The last time North Korea tested such a missile, in 1998, it sent a shock wave around the world, but especially to the United States and Japan, both of which North Korea regards as archenemies. They recognized immediately that a missile of this type makes no sense as a weapon unless it is intended for delivery of a nuclear warhead.

A year later North Korea agreed to a moratorium on further launches, which it upheld -- until now. But there is a critical difference between now and 1998. Today North Korea openly boasts of its nuclear deterrent, has obtained six to eight bombs' worth of plutonium since 2003 and is plunging ahead to make more in its Yongbyon reactor. The six-party talks aimed at containing North Korea's weapons of mass destruction have collapsed.

Should the United States allow a country openly hostile to it and armed with nuclear weapons to perfect an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of delivering nuclear weapons to U.S. soil? We believe not. The Bush administration has unwisely ballyhooed the doctrine of "preemption," which all previous presidents have sustained as an option rather than a dogma. It has applied the doctrine to Iraq, where the intelligence pointed to a threat from weapons of mass destruction that was much smaller than the risk North Korea poses. (The actual threat from Saddam Hussein was, we now know, even smaller than believed at the time of the invasion.) But intervening before mortal threats to U.S. security can develop is surely a prudent policy.

Therefore, if North Korea persists in its launch preparations, the United States should immediately make clear its intention to strike and destroy the North Korean Taepodong missile before it can be launched. This could be accomplished, for example, by a cruise missile launched from a submarine carrying a high-explosive warhead. The blast would be similar to the one that killed terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in Iraq. But the effect on the Taepodong would be devastating. The multi-story, thin-skinned missile filled with high-energy fuel is itself explosive -- the U.S. airstrike would puncture the missile and probably cause it to explode. The carefully engineered test bed for North Korea's nascent nuclear missile force would be destroyed, and its attempt to retrogress to Cold War threats thwarted. There would be no damage to North Korea outside the immediate vicinity of the missile gantry....

(Ashton B. Carter was assistant secretary of defense under President Bill Clinton and William J. Perry was secretary of defense. The writers, who conducted the North Korea policy review while in government, are now professors at Harvard and Stanford, respectively.)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/21/AR2006062101518.html?nav=hcmodule
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:07 AM
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1. They all are idiots and fools
they keep this crap up, and they will cause WWIII
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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:13 AM
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2. That would be ok for
a bluff. North Korea conducting a test is our opportunity to conduct our own test. Bring in the 747 lasers and shoot it down.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:15 AM
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3. OMFG-- "...intervening ... is surely a prudent policy."
They're advocation premptive warfare against yet another country. They're barking mad.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:45 AM
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8. "barking mad..." LOL that's a good one!
I've never heard that one, but yes, it describes them all
perfectly.
Honestly, I don't know if we'll make to the Mayan calendar
expiration date of 2012.
I think it is totally probable that:
a) Either through
the actions of the barking mad, or
b) By complete accident,

we are all gonna die in a global nuclear war.
I hate thinking about such things, but I swear, I don't
know what we can do about it.

The Hopi prophecies speak of a gourd of ashes
destroying the world and frankly, I think they may be right.
Scary to hear the thugs running the world talking
the way they have been lately, isn't it?
BHN
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:26 AM
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4. North Korea will consider it an act of war on its own soil
We are in a world of shit if we hit North Korea.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:49 AM
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9. "We" is the operative in your observation
The fucking mad dogs who brought us to this point
will be hiding in their bunkers while the rest of us
are Katrina-ed.
BHN
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ItsTheMediaStupid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:16 AM
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11. I don't think the Chinese would take it too well either
nt
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:40 AM
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5. From the China Post...
Andrei Lankov, a North Korea scholar based in Seoul, notes that North Korea's missile-testing moratorium has since expired and that there may be little in international law to prevent North Korea from doing a test launch. He advises that the best bet of the Bush administration in a no-win situation might be to "ignore the North Koreans."

"Too much of a fuss will only make things worse," Lankov said.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/editorial/detail.asp?ID=84590&GRP=i
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Skink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 12:53 AM
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6. Time to test out the hardware.
:freak:
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Kensingtonian Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 01:32 AM
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7. Speaking of that.....
I can't seem to access the WaPo site at the moment.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:13 AM
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10. "If Necessary"? Well, it's not.
Unless maybe you want to provoke nuclear war.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 10:17 AM
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12. Absolute insanity! nt
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 11:13 AM
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13. It would set the N Koreans back a while
We don't want the North Koreans knowing that they have a working missile.
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:27 PM
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14. The US should instead cut a deal with China
Make it clean up in it's own back yard. And preferrably not with bombs.
Isn't it strange that China, on the good way to a policy of 'free' markets and a middle class, still support NK, a old time communist regime more rigid than the Soviet ever was? :shrug:
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:29 PM
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15. China has a history of playing nice with authoritarian regimes
that no other government will deal with

it's called market share
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mogster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 06:29 PM
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17. I agree that China is no nice player historically
But as of recent, it has seen the blinding light of capitalism and the enormous economical opportunities China's size represents. If for nothing else, wouldn't sheer greed of the ruling class make it responsive to pressure regarding NK? I can't see it is in China's interest to have a smoking, possibly nuclear, hole right across the border.
Not that it is in anyone's interest, of course. To attack a nuclear state, however isolated, is madness.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 04:31 PM
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16. I have very mixed feelings on this
on one hand, how can we take the moral high ground with Iraq if we do take out the NK missile BUT I live on the west coast and this scares the crap out of me

I'm concerned that NK has the technology to launch a missile at us and the crazed leadership to order the launch

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Reckon Donating Member (729 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:21 PM
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18. Don't worry.
NK just likes to project craziness. Kim would have a ZERO chance of survival if he did something stupid. He's not going to give up the good life of a emperor.

Some of our people come out hawkish just to make NK think we might be crazy.. LOL

NK is shaking in their boots as we speak.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-22-06 07:44 PM
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19. Bush needs another "evil doer" to deflect attention from his own evil.
Iran may be dodging the bullet for now, but the Repubs need a rallying event before election time. God help us all!
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