Any thoughts about the PBS special "The Dark Side"?

[smtpgirl]

this special portrays Cheney as the smoking gun. All of this was predisposed and predetermined

Any thoughts?

IMHO

Cheney started the wheels rolling with the Iraq war.


http://www.newamericancentury.org/

[joemurphy]

1. And he kept those wheels rolling until he had his war.

And it has been the biggest foreign policy blunder since Vietnam.

You can't watch The Dark Side and not come away with a deep and abiding hatred of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Libby, Tenet, Rice and Powell.

[smtpgirl]

8. Exactly

Cheney has "lost" every campaign since he has been a appointed civil servant.

This bastard has run the US since 2001!!!!

[rurallib]

15. Probably the biggest foreign policy blunder ever.

We have done things that will never be forgotten by those who ascribe to a religion that represents @1/5 of the world. And their children & their children.

[smtpgirl]

25. WE CAN CHANGE THIS!!!!!!!

Stop the rubber stamp NOW!!!

Why are we killing people?

Inaction by the govt. to be energy independent????
Brazil did it in 15 YEARS, WHY CAN'T THE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am only buying Citgo Gas because

[evlbstrd]

2. I knew it from the day he was put in charge of the VP search.

Naturally, he humbly chose himself.

[Vinnie From Indy]

3. Tragically, what was portrayed in the Frontline piece is only a part.

The Frontline piece is only a very small glimpse into what has happened to America. This group seems to have as it's goal the restructuring of our political system to something far from a democracy.

[AuntiBush]

5. Vinnie. That's exactly what I got out of it.

Like they're preparing us for a really Dark Side.

You know what got me the most, besides cursing many of them, was the fact some actually smiled while I was thinking of all the children blown to bits all on LIES!

They ripped Tenet apart. Almost felt sorry for him. I wanted to hear "Downing Street Memos," "Brewster Jennings," and "Valerie Plame," but no, More Pig ROVE!

Colin Powell was more then lied to. My impression: Bush is Mr. Bunny-Pants, free and clear, oh, so innocent. Cheenee - the man, yeah taking all the blows. :sarcasm:

Just glad my remote survived.

[smtpgirl]

17. In this piece

Tenet was trying to save us from the inevitable, WAR!!!

Powell was against it too!! Ever wonder why he resgined from his post?

Connect the dots, this is truly a reason for impeachment, starting with Cheney, just like Agnew.

I So smell a "Nixon" aftermath!!

[AuntiBush]

28. That's How I felt About It.

I felt sorry for Tenet, and admirable for Powell.

Cheney is seriously, and most significantly evil. And here's hoping your nose knows. Between the eerie background music, and my mind filling-in all the blanks left out for reasons I assume are in breaking it to the public (spoon-feeding, so to speak) the hair on my arms was literally standing-up.

Unsure what emotion was the strongest. My anger knowing Cheney's darkness is so murderous or the fact a lot was left out. Really wish they had mentioned how many CIA agents were lost (Brewster Jennings), and all the children in Iraq whom have died for this sick, un-noble cause. And the absolute worse. It was done to begin with (told to us) in the name of the victims of 9/11.

If a Nixon aftermath does not come out of this, my and your country is gone forever.

[Zen Democrat]

29. I think Powell is a tragic figure in this.

He opposed them internally, and stayed because he knew there was nobody in the room but him not controlled by Cheney. Cheney got rid of him after the election. Cheney and Rummy didn't want ANY dissidents in the corridors of power. Tenet was ousted. A bloodbath at the CIA. Cheney stands unopposed.

Except for the people -- and, hopefully, Patrick Fitzgerald.

George W. Bush ---- a true dummy getting his ego fed by trusting the wrong people.

[leesa]

34. Both Dubya and Powell knew exactly what was going on...don't cut these

war criminals any slack.

[wordpix2]

43. the piece stated Powell was NOT informed about the debunking of some

of the intel he used in his UN speech; however, it didn't explain why his own state dept. didn't clue him into Darth's deliberately faulty intel. There had to be people at State talking to CIA people who knew what was really going on. :eyes:

[JHB]

51. Doesn't matter. He's still covering for them.

If Powell had used his stature to expose what was happening (or what HAD happened, if he couldn't do it at the time), Cheney & Co. would have been snapped like a pile of twigs. But, as people who know him better than I have said, Powell is constitutionally unable to buck the system, it's not in his character. Apparently even when "the system" itself is being hijacked.

[AndyTiedye]

33. Not With a Repub Congress That is Also Being Blackmailed by the NSA

[smtpgirl]

11. Gee, if we could use the FOIA to see the documents?

They will be like the Warren Commission reports about JFK!!

[AuntiBush]

14. I'm Telling Ya!

How deep it must go. Oh, the pits of that he$$!

[Hekate]

42. Darth Vader wants to rule an Empire. Thank God we still have PBS

So many good people are speaking out, writing books, giving interviews... and yet I cannot see the end of this miserable dark chapter in our nation's history.

If the republic survives, if we are still a democracy when our children and grandchildren are ready to vote, then historians will surely agree that this was our darkest and most dangerous hour, when we came within a handsbreadth of losing our soul as a nation.

This episode of Frontline is an excellent summary of events and I hope a lot of people watched it.

Hekate

[Olney Blue]

4. The WETA (DC PBS) station on my cable carrying Dark Side was blacked

out tonight, and I had to watch it on the Maryland PBS station. Did anyone
else in the DC area experience this? Maybe its just my awful cable service....

[AuntiBush]

9. Seen it Black-Out A Number of Times, but Only for Brief Seconds

Weird. Like an internal turn-on, turn-off. Maybe two separate fractions pushing on and off buttons. Who the heck knows. We not only have crossed the Rubicon, we've seen the Dark Side :puke:

[smtpgirl]

20. PBS 22 Olney!!

[Olney Blue]

22. Yes, I watched it on channel 22, but 26 was totally black!

[LuckyLib]

38. Right in the middle of a crucial point, the screen switches to

our other PBS station, for 10 seconds of Charlie Rose interviewing Larry King. Freaked me out!

[Poiuyt]

39. I got that too!

In Wisconsin

[Greybnk48]

50. Me too

I thought that was odd.

[Skarbrowe]

44. That happened here too! Right when they were talking about "Slam Dunk"

South Florida area.

[Captain Hilts]

41. That didn't happen on my set. I'm near Tastee Diner, Bethesda. RCN. nt

[durrrty libby]

6. I have Tivo set, so I haven’t watched it,

but I was one of many that knew W would find a way to invade Iraq if he wormed his way into the WH.

I can’t forgive the ignorance of my fellow citizens for ignoring that, and aiding and abetting him

[AuntiBush]

12. Words of Advise Before Viewing

If you own a punching bag, keep it near. If not, at least wrap you're remote in protective gear and prepare to loose you're voice if you enjoy cursing.

[Robbien]

31. Exactly

Taped it tonight to watch later. Tonight it will get my blood boiling too much to get some much needed sleep.

[lovuian]

7. Its a Lie and America was turn over to evil men

thats whats going on the falling of a empire...

[AuntiBush]

10. Yup.

Feeling right sick at the moment.

[spag68]

13. Dark side

is just a replay of things that, if you followed at the time, you already knew. It was however particularly disturbing to see it altogether.

[AuntiBush]

16. It Was.

But what about the countless amount of Americans that don't know the gist, like DU knows and others out here.

[spag68]

23. If they are kool-aid drinkers, they won't believe it!!!!!!!

[AuntiBush]

27. Or Hear Only What They Want to Hear

Oddly enough, wasn't PBS bought, and now controlled by a GOP group?

[GoddessOfGuinness]

35. I found it refreshing to hear the whole story on TV

even if it wasn't on FUX or cBS.

[Corgigal]

18. we should have never allowed

a man who heart works off jumper cable access to our young military members.

[Olney Blue]

19. It made Condoleeza look like an enabler.

[leftyladyfrommo]

49. It made Conaleeza just look unnecessary.

I already new the storyline - but having it all brought together in one timeline complete with interviews was just so disturbing.

Will it make a difference? I doubt it. Nothing seems to make a difference. This adm. is simply out for itself with no regard for anyone or anything. And these egomaniacal jerks who run things are just really disturbed. The damage they have done is not even fully knowable.

We need to just revolt and run them all out of office on a rail. But how do we do that?

[EndElectoral]

21. EXCEPTIONAL!!! WATCH IT!!!

There's a lot more but its a beginning. Paul Pillar should give a speech at the 2008 Dem Convention.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. Just before it was a Nova...

mentioning Newton's calculation that the Apocalypse would be in 2060.

So, a couple of us were talkin' about how it's not Shrub but Cheney who's the Antichrist, but he's here about 50 years early.

It was pointed out that Cheney most likely is either one of the Undead or will be kept alive bionically until The Time Has Come.

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

[smtpgirl]

26. Cheney is Evil

So glad his daughter's book tanked, hopefully Dead Eye will have a similar unravelling!!!!!!!!

[AuntiBush]

30. Kick

For others...

[sakabatou]

32. when does it air?

Nevermind, watching it now.

[earthside]

36. Watching it now - great.

Cheney conspired to wage aggressive war ... he is clearly open to war crimes charges just on the basis of the evidence and testimony presented in this program.

And ... I just saw the part where David Kay asked (in my words) "Where the hell was the National Security Advisor? Condi Rice?" Kay said it was her job to question the thin evidence for war presented by George Tenet. But everything was allowed to just "slide".

This is a pretty good presentation ... it is damning.

And it is interesting how Bush, himself, is barely a player and is mostly just a puppet in the drama between Cheney and the CIA.

It makes me sick.

[JHB]

52. Don't cry for chim-chim, Argentina

Puppet, schmuppet! It doesn't excuse him of anything. If anything, it damns him all the more. HE is the guy in charge. Period. If Cheney effectively runs things, it's only because His Chimperial Majesty allows him to.

[idgiehkt]

37. Did I miss anything?

I just can't do this admin with a visual. I have tried, and it is excruciating. I read the news online and read transcripts.

For someone really politically aware, did you all find that any of this was new information, like things that weren't covered in Richard Clarke's book? Because I really tried to watch this, but I only lasted 5 minutes. Was it more geared for people who don't follow this stuff?

idgie

[LuckyLib]

40. Watch it. It's excellent, and beautifully edited. The number of

(now retired) CIA agents and DoD folks speaking out is amazing. They realize they were screwed and are not letting any grass grow under their feet before talking. This should be required viewing for the idiots in Congress . . . not that it would do any good.

[lamp_shade]

45. I wonder if there's a scheduled rerun?

Anybody know?

[im10ashus]

47. It says again on Thursday at 5:00 p.m.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/

[Nevernose]

48. "Watch the full program onlinecoming Thurs at 5pm et"

I completely forgot about it last night, and was asking myself the same question you were.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/

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