Anyone here have Neocon rePuke friends/relatives?

[Tyler Durden]

Poll question: Anyone here have Neocon rePuke friends/relatives?

Frankly, I see this situation as so important that I do not cultivate or initiate friendships or even associations with Neocons if I can avoid it.

I will tolerate opposing points of view (such as TRUE conservatism) if it is not accompanied by support for the Pig Bush.

Example: My daughter has a friend and I went to pick her up at the friend's house. In the driveway is an ENORMOUS SUV with a "W 04) Sitcker, HIGH up on the rear window so EVERYONE can see it. The wife says "Come on in, see their tile." I point to the sticker and the wife says "OOPS. You'd better stay in the car."

I have no Neocon FRIENDS. I no longer associate with Neocon RELATIVES. Support for the Pig Bush is not something I feel the need to tolerate anymore. I have to admit, if I know that you have Neocon FRIENDS, I may even avoid YOU.

This is not a matter of opinion anymore: we as "liberals" or anyone in opposition to the Neocon NeoNAZIS are the New Jews, and they would GLADLY put us in the camps if they could get away with it; make no mistake.

[Warpy]

1. Every family has at least one of them.

My own family sports one, and he's pretty much been cut off from the rest of the family. His siblings can't stand to be around him.

It's sad.

[Tyler Durden]

2. It's SAD, but it's HIS CHOICE to be a pariah.

Support for the Pig Bush and his minions can no longer be logically tolerated.

[Breeze54]

21. I don't!

All my brothers and sisters are blue as blue!
It's even their favorite color! :rofl:

I have friends who WERE repubs but are not anymore!
I know a few repubs on the internet, in messageboards, whom I will discuss issue's.
I'm willing to listen as they're also willing to listen to my side of things, although
I really haven't run into them that much lately.

But mostly I avoid them, especially the one's who NEVER QUESTION the B*** criminals!
The one's who attack me on the war and are so braindead, they aren't worth the effort of responding to...

[Warpy]

35. Oh, I respond

I say "That's the most unchristian thing I've ever heard," then I walk away.

They always look like they just took a heavy punch to the solar plexus.

Try it sometime.

[Breeze54]

43. I have and I've posted

the "Jesus was a liberal! Everything conservatives hate!"

But they are really very stupid people and I can't afford that much Mallox!! :)



They get pissed off and run away! :rofl:


From: http://www.whatididinthewar.com

[zonmoy]

53. only one

I have long suspected that I am the only one in the family who isn't to the right of Torquemada. they are basically left behind type fundies.

[xchrom]

3. i actively avoid conservatives in my life.

[Tyler Durden]

5. Neocons are not Conservatives.

The Pig Bush and his minions make Nelson Rockefeller, Everett Dirkson, and Barry Goldwater spin in their graves like tops.

No REAL Conservative can support the Pig Bush.

[xchrom]

17. neocons or conservatives

i don't want anything to do with them.

[marmar]

4. None in my family...

African-American, many union members, from Detroit....What are the statistical odds that one of them could be a Repug? :)

[Tyler Durden]

9. "Part of the Union" by The Strawbs

Here's a little gift. One of my old favorites.


Part Of The Union
by Ford/Hudson, (The Strawbs)

Now I'm a union man
Amazed at what I am
I say what I think
That the company stinks
Yes I'm a union man.

When we meet in the local hall
I'll be voting with them all
With a hell of a shout
It's out brothers out
And the rise of the factory's fall.

Oh you don't get me I'm part of the union
You don't get me I'm part of the union
You don't get me I'm part of the union
Till the day I die, till the day I die.

As a union man I'm wise
To the lies of the company spies
And I don't get fooled
By the factory rules
'Cause I always read between the lines.

And I always get my way
If I strike for higher pay
When I show my card
To the Scotland Yard
This what I say.

Oh you don't get me I'm part of the union
You don't get me I'm part of the union
You don't get me I'm part of the union
Till the day I die, till the day I die.

Before the union did appear
My life was half as clear
Now I've got the power
To the working hour
And every other day of the year.

So though I'm a working man
I can ruin the government's plan
Though I'm not too hard
The sight of my card
Makes me some kind of superman.

Oh you don't get me I'm part of the union
You don't get me I'm part of the union
You don't get me I'm part of the union
Till the day I die, till the day I die.

[Sammy Pepys]

6. I never let politics choose my friends....

...or choose who I have a relationship with in my family.

I've got conservative friends and family, definitely. Most of my family is conservative (and most of the "Democrats" would easily be classified as "DINO"). Doesn't make a lick of difference in anything though...they're still my family and I love them.

As for my friends it goes about 50/50, and I've gotten into arguments just as heated with my liberal friends as I have with my conservative friends. And then we all go have a beer and everything is better again.

[Tyler Durden]

10. I'm sure there were "Good Nazis."

Right.

No offense, but as I said above, I can associate with a TRUE CONSERVATIVE, but Neocon Supporters of the Pig Bush have as much in common with real Conservatives as a turd does with a tootsie roll.

[Sammy Pepys]

27. Give me a break....n/t

.....

[Tyler Durden]

31. So you REALLY believe...

...that a true Conservative can support the Reactionary politics and the death policies of the Pig Bush and his minions?

Sorry. you and I are NOT on the same page. I don't vote for THEIR elimination, but I will not surrender to them for the sake of civility. Fuck them.

[Sammy Pepys]

Maybe we're not...

...but it doesn't mean I wouldn't have a beer with you.

[Tyler Durden]

34. Having a beer with YOU is not the problem.

Having a beer with the Neocons, IS a problem.

[Sammy Pepys]

37. Well, different strokes for different folks....

I'm fortunate enough to have conservative friends who respect my positions and don't attempt to push their agenda on to me, and I return that respect. Hell, I've even unwittingly changed their minds about a few things (though unfortunately not their voting patterns).

Refusing to engage them in an adult manner only winds them up more and makes them more rabid, I've found.

[Tyler Durden]

39. Conservatives and Neoconservatives are not the same thing.

As I stated below, Conservative is to Neocon as Elitist Gourmet is to Hannibal Lecter.

Both love a good meal, one just isn't as picky about the species being served for dinner.

[PWRinNY]

46. Well said

My loved ones had their politics before I was political. We had each other before I was political. Since I've become political, it's only become apparent to me that certain ones of them are neocons. And it nearly split us apart - for all the passion politics ignite, there have been some pretty bad arguments.

I think it's wrong to dismiss your loved ones because of politics. I think it's wrong to harbor and feed into dis-unity, intolerance, and hatred.

Some of my loved ones may be neocons, but they're still Americans - they just have different ideas about how to go about making things work here. Just because they're intolerant doesn't mean I have to be. I'd rather rise to the challenge of tolerance and continue to love them than to take the easy way out and let them go. As a result, they're coming around. Slowly - but sometimes the best progress is made slowly.

I've let people go in the past over similar things - lost best friends because I was so holier-than-thou and intolerant - and there's not a day goes by that I don't regret that I treated them so uncharitably, regardless of how they may have treated me. Perhaps all they needed to learn was a better way - and dropping out of their lives over a difference of opinion/belief, was not the better way.


I really do believe that love conquers all - even neoconservativism. They'll never learn to be tolerant if we don't teach them how to be.

[riderinthestorm]

52. This didn't use to be how it was for me but things have changed

Starting with the bogus impeachment of Clinton, politics have become a large part of my life's passion and interest.

My friends, and my family, either get it or they don't. I see nothing wrong with my relationships waxing and waning as I grow and change, especially if others don't or won't respect/understand that.

[PinkTiger]

7. My personal opinion is, we have to be tolerant to a point.

I have several relatives who are staunch conservatives. Most of them are now disenchanted with the Bush regime, but none will go so far as to say "you were right" to me. That is OK. I think in the end, we all want the same things, but we have different routes to get there. Also, I think they see the left as being more "girly" and less "manly" (not sure where that came from) and none of them will admit to being "weak women." Not even the women.
So - I love my family, just not their politics.
It's OK. We've had some very bad times, such as the 2000 election and the 2004 election. But I've had to learn to roll with the punches. I'm not giving up, or giving in, but I feel my relationships with these people transcend politics. We don't talk about politics much. And when we do, we try to keep it clean.

[Tyler Durden]

13. My Father was a Rockefeller Republican...

Back when they had "Moderates" and even "Liberals" of a sort. I can tolerate that...BUT NOT SUPPORTERS OF THE PIG BUSH.

Mark my words: if they find a method to retain their power, as they very well might, it is not a stretch to say that we who dissent may likely be in mortal danger.

[BlueJazz]

8. One of My "Computer Tech" friends has a bad habit of saying crap...

...Like "We need to fight them over there so we don't have to ..Blah..Blah..Blah"
"The Economy is Booming!!"
"The Republicans are only trying to keep us safe"

I usually tell Him....."Christ, Eric..you need to quit watching God-Damn Fox News"

[DawnneOBTS]

11. My asshole of a...

"permanent" fiance is a neocon, big time. So much for morals-he has no problem in continuing to live together and not get married. His decision, not mine. FUCKING HYPOCRITES, THAT IS WHAT ALL OF THE NEOCONS ARE!

[Binka]

14. Oh Sugar Pie Dump That Festering Sack O Crap

How can you fuck a NEO-CON? I mean without a rubber suit and industrial cleaning supplies? YUCK. Get yo self a LIBERAL LOVER. They are better hung!

[Tyler Durden]

15. I don't know how you stand it.

My dearest wife told me once that if I had turned out to be a rePuke she would have dropped me like a rancid turd.

GOD I love that woman.

[Binka]

12. Nope Divorced Them All ......This Is What I Said....

Bush is a murdering asshole and you are carrying his bloody stink for him. Get. Lost.

Ah it is so nice not to have these fuckwittages to deal with. Oh and I did tell my RW RICH & FUCKED UP sister she could come down off her throne and shove her tiara up her ass. Now that was FUN!

[acmejack]

18. You madam, are a hard ass!

An admirable quality in these times...

:toast:

[Binka]

22. No Ifs, Ands, Or Buts When It Comes To Neo-Cons

My ass is indeed hard but the rest of my nice bits are quite...um shall we say cushy!:evilgrin:

[Finder]

16. Do you know what a neocon is though?

I find that most do not. Those in opposition to the neocons cannot be "the new Jews" since most neocons are Jews.

Neocons aren't the problem, neocon foreign policies are. Many neocons are turning their support to the Dems. Lieberman is a good example of a neocon dem and there are others as well.

[Tyler Durden]

26. You don't get my metaphor.

You don't have to be "Jewish" to be persecuted in AmeriKKKa. In some cases it's more convenient, and I look at non-Fundy Neocons in the same way I look at the Log Cabinites: as Blind Followers of their new Fuhrer.

A Neocon in my book Supports the Pig Bush; it is a requirement for membership in the club.

[Finder]

40. Log Cabinites do NOT support him...

much less most of the policies we are following today.

I was just trying to point out that there are neocons in both parties.

[Tyler Durden]

41. I have stated my opposition to Neocons...

I don't care if they're Republicans, Democrats, or Martians.

They support the Pig Bush.

[Breeze54]

36. huh??

"Neocons aren't the problem, neocon foreign policies are."

as in... Murderers aren't the problem, murderers disrespect for the laws are the problem?

hmmm...or something like that? :shrug:

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[Tyler Durden]

38. Conservative is to Neocon as...

Elitist Gourmet is to Hannibal Lecter.

Both love a good meal, one just isn't as picky about the species being served for dinner.

[Breeze54]

42. I like! lol...

;)

[LWolf]

19. Sure I do.

Living in a highly conservative area, they are everywhere. So are other conservatives who are uncomfortable with Bush.

I don't join my Christian friends at church, and they know me well enough to leave my spiritual choices to me. I don't join republican friends and coworkers in politics, and they know where I stand. We still somehow manage to value each other and work well together. As a matter of fact, it's finding that common ground that allows them a glimpse beyond the "liberal" rhetoric they've cut their teeth on. It allows them the first glimmers of doubt, or disagreement, with neocons. They can see that I'm a responsible, ethical, hard-working, common-sense sort of person that doesn't fit the stereotype they've been fed. They begin to see that we get more done focused on our commonalities than our differences.

I've had enough of polarization and partisanship. If I want the people supporting the opposition to leave those "ps" behind, I have to be willing to do the same myself.

[Tyler Durden]

30. Polarization and Partisanship are Neocon Buzzwords now.

(this is not a flame on you)

They use them when they want to squash us. Don't let them fool you here: they do not want to cooperate/compromise with us, and they will do what they think is necessary to accomplish their goals.

Their minions are compliant and ok with this, or they are deluded.

[LWolf]

50. I think those are buzz words from both sides of the aisle;

I've been reading them for a few of years here at DU. That's one of the reasons I see them as an issue; when I stand back and watch both sides from a different vantage point, they mirror each other. Not in issues and point of view, but in how they operate to get their own talking points out and confront the opposition. If a particular position on an issue has a "D" on it, the "Rs" won't take the time to listen or think; it's already a target. If that issue has an "R" on it, the "Ds" do the same thing. The goals are to "win," to beat the opposition, regardless of the issue, or what sort of bastardized spin has to be utilized to achieve "beating" the other side. When the other side doesn't go along, it's usually because of polarization and partisanship; it rarely seems to be about the issues themselves. The issues become irrelevant in the fight. That's my take on polarization and partisanship, anyway. While I carry a "D" on my registration card, issues are still the only reason to participate in the political process for me. The candidate (and party) is supposed to earn my vote through work on issues; I'm not supposed to owe the party my vote.

Ask a republican why they voted for GWB in '04; many will tell you that they don't like him, but couldn't bring themselves to vote for Kerry because he's a <insert rhetoric here>.

In '04, the drums beat just as hard on the "D" side of the campaign. It was "ABB," as long as "anybody" meant the Democratic candidate, whether one was pleased with the nomination or not.

[deaniac21]

20. Ya can't show them a better way if you don't associate.....

[Tyler Durden]

33. I applaud your idealism.

HOWEVER, I cannot support it. The battle lines have been drawn, and the tea is in the harbor.

All supporters of King George (the Pig Bush) are guilty of treason, some less than others.

[Ladyhawk]

23. My family is full of neocons who support the party line.

I see it as a symptom of a serious flaw that has always run deeply through my family.

As much as I have bitched about her, I love my mother. To me, loving someone who is deeply flawed is a tragedy. I can't help the fact I love her and I can't change her. What makes it so hard is she isn't being fooled. She actively supports the neoconservative agenda and always has.

It was easier to put up with the innate fascism in my family when they didn't have any power. After the November election, I did cut off relationships with my family for awhile. Politics was only part of the reason, but I used it because the whole truth would have hurt and bewildered my family. They wouldn't have got it. I absolutely had to do it in order to establish boundaries and I may have to do it again someday. In truth, if I weren't disabled, if I had all the money I needed, I would probably move away and do my best to avoid interaction with family members for the rest of my life.

I deeply distrust most of my family members. The love I feel for my mother doesn't extend to some of the worst of them. I avoid my fascist, racist, inmate-abusing brother as much as possible. For the most part, we didn't get along as kids. Many of my most poignant memories are of watching him kill and abuse animals. I don't feel many positive emotions toward him because we never had much to build on in the first place. However, on some level I do care for him. :shrug: Having mixed emotions is harder than simply hating someone.

As for "friends," I am cordial to Bush supporters, but I don't go out of my way to make friends with them. It's hard enough to find good friends without bringing support of fascists into the bargain. In this Bush-loving community, a good friend is hard to find.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. I think very few people in the general public are actually Neocons, who

support the imperialistic agenda outlined in PNAC etc.

Most of the Repub votes and supporters are either deluded jingoistic nationalists (not the same thing), or self-interested wealthy people, IMHO.

Most probably never heard of PNAC, have no idea how the National Security Strategy put forth by Rice mirrors the PNAC ideology and agenda, who Kristol, Feith, Cambone etc. are.

[Tyler Durden]

32. A Nazi who joined the party for whatever reason....

...Was Still A NAZI.

They have the evidence of Iraq, WMD's, etc to show them NOT to support the Pig Bush. Delusion is not an excuse.

[Finder]

44. the nationalists don't realize...

that neocons are globalists. Strange bedfellows for sure.

Oh, and you forgot the religious sheeple who follow the idiot.

[GodlessBiker]

25. I just don't have time to deal with them in my personal life.

[ellenfl]

28. my SO has conservative relatives (mostly

small business owners who vote their business interests) but i no longer have friends that are repugs. i had one friend who i hope to reconnect with after we take back our government. her hubby is ex-military and a big fan of bill o'really. we used to not talk politics and had a great time but now we are kinda polarized like the rest of the country.

we share a hobby (orchids) and i miss that relationship.

ellen fl

[tnlefty]

29. I try to avoid neocons and misguided republicans when possible.

It's difficult when they're relatives and when I'm around if they bring something up, as they always seem to do, I fire back with both barrels and I have done so since Dimson** launched his illegal invasion, and I've said some pretty nasty things to my siblings.

For the most part I don't phone unless it's business related (siblings) and I don't go around as much as I used to. I'll admit that it is a little trickier with my mother as my kids are the only grandchildren that she has and interactions with her are often good lessons for them. A couple of weeks ago they had an opportunity to experience the differences and stated to me, "Gee, she raised you? You have a much clearer sense of fairness and decency than your own mother." They were stunned by her attitude, but they also saw the situation and determined for themselves that they didn't approve of it.

Life's lessons.

[GabrielSyme]

45. Outstanding Job

Tyler, thank you for not just explaining how wicked and evil the neo-cons are, but demonstrating your own tolerance and respect for the views of others. Makes me proud to be a Democrat.

And thanks for the warning ("This is not a matter of opinion anymore: we as "liberals" or anyone in opposition to the Neocon NeoNAZIS are the New Jews, and they would GLADLY put us in the camps if they could get away with it; make no mistake.") That's exactly the sort of crazy-talk we need to win elections in November.

[tnlefty]

48. Welcome to DU, GabrielSyme!

And just to note: I think that you hit the reply in my post which posted your response to me. If you want to respond to the original poster you need to hit the reply in the opening poster's original thread.:hi:

[Ishoutandscream2]

47. Damn, I simply can't avoid them

Seriously, they are the norm in my part. When I see the Boy King's low poll numbers, I simply shake my head and mutter, "They aren't polling in my neck of the woods."

[tnlefty]

49. I feel your pain!!!

Even though Dimson's** approval ratings have dropped like a rock in TN in general I still see those stupid "Boycott France" stickers, Bush/Cheney '04 stickers, and even though it isn't as many it's still waaayy too many. I think that some people removed them because they were tired of people like me pulling up beside them at traffic lights and shaking heads in pity.

I live among the "Backwash".

[riderinthestorm]

51. I can't avoid them either in my town.

I totally understand the OP's emotion since I am surrounded by repukes, especially the Idiot-supporters, at every turn.

"W" stickers on Hummers or other grotesquely huge SUVs are rampant here - still. They have been joined by Roskam stickers (and yes, Roskam styled them so they are just like "W"'s) he's the guy running for the IL CD6 - Henry Hyde's old seat.

Roskam makes Hyde and the Idiot look like Wellstone liberals in comparison, he is such a foaming, rabid, religious rightwingnut neocon.

I swear to god, I am thinking of moving to South Carolina in order to get into a more politically liberal area.

The OP is right though, it's an ugly divide that's been driven between the sides and I don't begrudge anyone who's drawn personal lines in their lives to stay sane and focused. But it doesn't have to be a rude separation - my Dem/anti-war activism naturally created space between me and everyone else that isn't like-minded. It only took a few invitations to candlelight vigils or peace potlucks to become an official pariah in my town/family. They pretty much know that conversations will revolve around my latest protest or activity.

[Raine]

54. I actively avoid them

because when I made an exception to have a friendly relationship with them thinking they were different and maybe OK they were the ones who would ultimately end up stabbing me in the back. I don't trust them as friends or to do any kind of business with. I have some aunts, uncles and cousins that are neocons and being they are family (and I do love them) I can't/won't write them off but other than those relatives I'm through with the rest of them.