Bush Claimed Iraq Opposed Timetable-Day After Iraq VP Asked Him For One

[kpete]

Bush Claimed Iraqis Oppose Timetable the Day After Iraq’s VP Personally Asked Him for One

After Bush returned from his trip to Iraq this week, President Bush attacked those calling for a timetable for withdrawal. He said Iraqis had “concerns” that a timetable would disrupt their strategy to create a secure and democratic Iraq http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/06/20060614.html:

And the willingness of some to say that if we’re in power we’ll withdraw on a set timetable concerns people in Iraq, because they understand our coalition forces provide a sense of stability, so they can address old wrongs and develop their strategy and plan to move forward. They need our help and they recognize that. And so they are concerned about that. Text

Today, the AP reports that Iraq’s Vice President, Tariq al-Hashimi, personally asked President Bush to set a timeline for withdrawal of U.S. forces the day before. Iraq’s President, Jalal Talabani, said he supported the request http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/world/14823067.htm :

Iraq’s vice president has asked President Bush for a timeline for the withdrawal of foreign forces from Iraq, the Iraqi president’s office said. Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, a Sunni, made the request during his meeting with Bush on Tuesday, when the U.S. president made a surprise visit to Iraq.

“I supported him in this,” President Jalal Talabani said in a statement released Wednesday. Al-Hashimi’s representatives could not immediately be reached for comment Thursday.

Separately, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said that Iraqi security forces should be completely in charge of the nation’s security in 18 months http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/25/iraq.main/.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/16/vp-requests-timetable/

[Submariner]

1. The stupid shit Bush

probably could have claimed VICTORY when landing from his Baghdad photo-op flight, and announced troop withdrawal, but noooooo, he is a classic serial liar and needs to mold his bullshit to fit his twisted world view, and most of ALL, stay in-country with bases on top of HIS oil.

[Roland99]

2. @#$^@#%[email protected]$# LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR!!!

(center text)

Lie lie lie lie liar you lie lie lie lie
Tell me why tell me why
Why d'you have to lie
Should've realised that
Should've told the truth
Should've realised
You know what I'll do

You're in suspension
You're a liar

Now I wanna know know know know
I wanna know why you never
Look me in the face
Broke a confidence just to please
Your ego should've realised
You know what I know

You're in suspension
You're a liar

I know where you go everybody you know
I know everything that do or say
So when you tell lies
I'll always be in your way
I'm nobody's fool and I know all
'Cos I know what I know

You're in suspension you're a liar
You're a liar you're a liar
Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie

Lie lie lie lie liar you lie lie lie lie
I think you're funny you're funny ha ha
I don't need it don't need your blah blah
Should've realised I know what you are
You're in suspension you're in suspension
You're in suspension you're a liar
You're a liar you're a liar
Lie lie

[jaysunb]

3. Liars lie.....

:evilfrown:

[Bozita]

4. 5th vote here --- This REALLY pisses me off!

How many Repugs on the House floor know of this?

[Imagevision]

60. Dean,Kerry-Clinton,No comment?! where's Olberman when needed?!!

How the hell does this President openly lie about life and death issues and skate away with his ignorant grin to boot?? American people being spoon-fed bullshit and we have no repesentation to stand up for us?

Iraqi's want a time table on pullout and Bush smiles and says; "no you don't" think about it and talk to the generals and I'll get back with ya?? -- WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!........

[blm]

62. Kerry's withdrawal plan didn't just pop up out of the ether - he spoke to

Iraqi politicians and governing officials last Sept. to get their input for a withdrawal plan, including a timetable. Surely you couldn't have missed his withdrawal plan - it's been posted a few times here.

[bluerum]

5. Since when do we care about what brown skinned Islamic peoples

want?

Come on - we are Americans. We buy or take what we want and if you don't like it - well - let's just say there is something wrong you and there are any number of ways we can deal with your issues.

[middleRoad]

19. Kind of sounds like

Those on the far right AND the far left, i.e. "Bush is a lying SOB...", "Clinton is a lying SOB...". My point is that on the conservative blogs and liberal blogs (like this one), I read _All_ kinds of extremism. ANYONE who disagrees with my ego driven, self rightous, noble ideas just _Has_ to be an idiot and lower form of life. These kinds of childish arguments/stances do not further the cause in the least, if anything, it turns off the vast bulk of Americans who are firmly in the middle.

[Mandate My Ass]

24. Really?

So we should just let him tell a complete falsehood of massive proportions without even pointing it out?

Talk about ego-driven, self-righteousness, we should all just shut up when we're being blatantly lied to on matters of life and death so you and your ilk aren't "turned off." :eyes:

[me b zola]

28. So charactor, honesty, and integrity are now extremist?

For the head of a state to deliberately LIE to their own people, and LIE about what another head of state has said, particuarly when it is of such importance, how is that in any way related to political ideology or leanings?

It sounds kind of like you have a perverse way of defining who "the vast bulk of Americans" are and what we deserve from our "elected" officials.

[bluerum]

32. Oh - well you have me convinced. I should abandon my principles

and throw in my lot with you.

Thanks for the advice.

But I would ask you what the firm middle of America says to thousands of Iraqi peoples whose loved ones are dead, missing maimed or in prison. Is it for their security? Come on middle America - whats it gonna be?

FYI - I am middle America and I am pissed and I have an opinion so eff off. You are turning me off.

[Mandate My Ass]

35. well said

Welcome to DU! :hi:

Don't you love it when some omniscient poster who claims s/he speaks for the vast bulk of the country and tells you that pointing out Bush's lies and crimes is shrill and "hurts our cause?"

[wordpix2]

34. well, you're new to DU, so welcome. If you stay here, you will find

we are among the best read, best informed people in the nation about BushCo Inc. and his band of corporate crony and BigOil puppetmasters. You will then understand why we rant and rave. The more you learn about this gang of criminals, the more you'll know they ARE criminals.

[Marnieworld]

40. "...to further the cause in the least..."

What cause are you speaking of?

[stevietheman]

52. Fair question for you

What is the middle ground on an issue like this? I'm curious.

It _seems_ as though it's as simple as 1) Accepting that Bush can and should lie, or 2) Not accepting it. #1 means having no issue with a government that is corrupt or does corrupt things, and #2 means challenging government when it does corrupt things.

Are you telling us there is a grey area here that we haven't considered?

To many of us here, doing #2 means you a citizen, while doing #1 means you are a subject.

Are you a citizen or a subject?

[zippy890]

6. K & R

great work, kpete keeping us informed
:dem:

[blm]

7. And why Kerry WENT to Iraq himself last Sept. to speak to Iraq officials

there. He drew up a withdrawal plan that THEY helped to develop with their input.

They know their culture better than BushInc does, and they have a firmer grasp on what to expect if we stay or when we go.

I'm wondering if Kofi Annan (close friend of Kerry's) prompted the VP to speak publically knowing that Kerry's amendment for withdrawal is up for debate and that BushInc is lying about it.

[slor]

8. He just cannot...

seem to fight his assholishness. For crying out loud, please let the fools that support him, hear this story, and realize their catastrophic mistake.

[acmavm]

10. Yiy call it assholishness, I call it sociopathology. Either way,

that is one screwed up SOB.

[zbdent]

9. We can't leave . . . we haven't won . . . and

collected the spoils of the war . . . the oil . . . :grr:

[Peeves]

11. Maybe there is a time table ...

But Bush isn't making it public ... wouldn't that tip off the Insurgents ??? :shrug:

[me b zola]

31. Well, let's look at the clues

We are spending multi-billions to build an "embassy" in Iraq that is as large as a city. We are also building multiple permanent military bases in Iraq.

[Peeves]

42. Is that with the ...

permission of the Iraqi people? :shrug:

I do think your right. Building a perminent military base looks like we're staying.

[Mandate My Ass]

43. we don't need no steenking permission

BAGHDAD -- On the western bank of the Tigris River, scenes of intense activity rarely witnessed in Iraq are unfolding behind the fortified perimeter of the closely guarded Green Zone.

Trucks shuttle building materials to and fro. Cranes, at least a dozen of them, punch toward the sky. Concrete structures are beginning to take form. At a time when most Iraqis are enduring blackouts of up to 22 hours a day, the site is floodlighted by night so work can continue around the clock.

This is to be the new U.S. Embassy in Iraq, and it will be the biggest embassy in the world. It also is the biggest construction project under way in battered Baghdad, where the only other cranes rising from the skyline belong to Saddam Hussein's abandoned project to build the world's biggest mosque.

The irony is not lost on Mohammed Jasim, 48, a truck driver who was forced out of his home last month by sectarian violence and now is squatting in an abandoned building just across the river from the $592million embassy project.

"They could build houses, or they could bring security to Baghdad," Jasim complained as he sat in the shade of a big tree on the riverbank. "But it's clear they only came here for their own benefit because you can see how much money they are spending across the river...."

To most Iraqis, the Green Zone is another planet. Only one much-bombed entry point admits ordinary Iraqis, who must endure body searches at each of five checkpoints before being admitted to one small portion of the zone.

Though it's now officially called the International Zone, suggesting a foreign country, those living inside still refer to the rest of Iraq as "the Red Zone."

From his Red Zone vantage point, al-Khiat often looks across the river and wonders about life on the other side. The 6-square-mile chunk of central Baghdad was carved out for the use of the U.S. occupation authority in the months following the invasion, setting off-limits the roads, parks and restaurants that used to be a part of his daily itinerary.

"I haven't been there in three years," al-Khiat said. "I would like to go, but I don't dare. Someone might shoot me."

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=iraq_war&Number=294673201&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=

[me b zola]

45. Too late to edit my post...

I made an error in my post: it is multi-millions, not billions for the embassy project.

[IndyOp]

12. DamnIt - We stand around debate amongst ourselves instead of asking THEM

over and over and over. We debate - Dems & Reps - the US & UK - we debate amongst ourselves instead of asking the people in question. Over and over. Hubris. Racism. Materialism. Sick with power.

:puke:

[blm]

33. Kerry came up with his withdrawal plan AFTER GOING TO IRAQ last Sept. to

get input from the Iraqi parliamentary members - the leaders and the rank and file. He came up with a withdrawal plan USING THEIR INPUT. He knew they wanted a timetable and he worked to establish a workable one.

We NEED to use facts to fight them.

[bridgit]

13. ppfft, so what's one more lie now...

[warrens]

14. You want to get REALLY pissed

Read Palast's Armed Madhouse. The number of lies told about the Iraq war are almost uncountable. If you have high blood pressure, you might want to get a doctor's permission.

Most political books are just an expansion of things we all know. But this book gets to the specific lies and fabrications and sweetheart deals, etc. He uses his BBC affiliation to get personal interviews with people that normally would blow an investigative reporter off. I've only read 100 pages so far, because you have to stop frequently to let the facts sink in.

By his take, this had nothing to do with democracy (we already knew THAT) or even WMD. It really was the oil. But along the way, Grover Norquist got a whole laundry list of "reforms" put in place, like a PERMANENT 15 percent cap on corporate income taxes. The Americans ruined the Iraqi agriculture sector by withholding things like vaccines for cattle and fertilizer, so Cargill got a contract to ship hundreds of thousands of tons of surplus wheat, at a huge profit.

All the banks got sold off to an approved list...it goes on and on and on. But the big deal was the oil. The neocons wanted to pump up production to break up OPEC; the oil companies wanted to get their mitts on the oil reserves, but keep production low to keep prices high, and the whole thing was a fight between our most evil forces, not one bit of it having to do with Saddam, democracy or anything else they've been spewing.

It's all lies. All of it. Jay Garner comes off as the only sane person in the whole story.

[xxqqqzme]

17. Thats the way I had to read 'The Best

Democracy Money Can Buy', You can only take so much the the greed, evil & lies before you overload and feel nauseous.

[Ian_rd]

15. So, Bush is a goddamn liar? Who'da thunk it?!

[Wise Doubter]

16. What The Funk ?!

He ain`t even a good liar.

[Javaman]

18. We will never leave or pull out, here's why...

They are leaving this mess for the next admin, which they believe is going to be Dem. If the Dem president pulls out and the predictable civil war erupts in full earnest, then it will be the repuke apologists yelling, "I told you so". meaning that "the job wasn't finished and the Dem president pulled out to early". I know bizarro logic, but effective on the mouth breathers of society. So then when the next mid terms come up, they can decry the move as a democratic cut and run and win back the house and the senate.

Mark my words.

[geardaddy]

20. That's a good point...

[Rude Horner]

27. I think you're spot on

That is exactly what they're hoping for at this point.

[Gman]

21. Caught in ANOTHER lie!

Over, and over and over.

The problem for the United States of America is that the longer we stay there and spend $500 Billion a year the more money that's made by a whole lot of people. Iraq is nothing but a cash cow that keeps on giving for Halliburton et al.

[Bozita]

22. Thom Hartmann's talking about this NOW

[blm]

23. The left has GOT To stay on this page to be effective and break through

media silence on this.

[AndyA]

25. This alone is reason for impeachment.

Bush lies. The President of the United States is a liar. Why would ANYONE tolerate such a thing?

He lies about the evidence leading up to the war in Iraq.

He plots and schemes to seduce Saddam into taking steps that would start a war.

He acts like he knows nothing about anyone in his administration outing a CIA agent, then later admits he gave permission to do so.

THIS ISN'T A GAME, PEOPLE. THIS IS OUR LIFE. WE ONLY GET ONE CHANCE.

George Bush is not trustworthy. He lies to the American people.

BE AMERICAN,
BE PATRIOTIC.
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME
AND IMPEACH BUSH NOW!

[blm]

44. He lied in an OFFICIAL DOCUMENT - that's an IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE.

.

[AndyA]

47. And yet we have..........nothing. Nada.

The man falsifies documents, goes before the American people through the media, lies and gets away with it. And no one in power or who can get the press is doing anything about it.

[Botany]

26. Whent the lie becomes reality and reality is a lie you are in bush world.

Nothing is beyond them as far as actions, words, controlled media manipulations,
photo ops, and election crimes to "keep the party going on."

Rumsfeld, "We knew where the weapons are they are around Tikrat and ....... "

Asked later Rummy says, "I never said that."

Cheney, "There can be little doubt as to the connection between Iraq and al Qaeda."

Cheney later, "I never said that."

And our "liberal media" will say nothing. They are truly nazi like in their actions.

[KoKo]

29. I don't get why this is important? It was Iraq's "Vice-President" who

asked for a Timelined withdrawal, not the President..right? :eyes: It doesn't matter if a VP asks ....

[wordpix2]

36. no, the president says he backed up the Iraqi VP

[blm]

37. Prez backed up his VP's words. It's HUGE - spread it around.

The media is burying the story.

[spanone]

30. Wow, another lie, imagine that.

:sarcasm:

[wordpix2]

38. does this mean PM al-Maliki and Pres. Talabani don't agree about timeline

for withdrawal? Al-Maliki says Iraqis will be ready in 18 mos. to take over and Talabani and al-Hashimi want timeline now. (However, that doesn't mean a call for an immediate withdrawal, just one for an immediate timeline).

[Orion The Hunter]

39. Come on G.W...

learn to keep your lies straight!

[Synnical]

41. ...

:kick:

[emulatorloo]

46. kick n/t

[lovuian]

48. Iraq government wants control of its assets

and Bush wants a piece of the action for many years to come
Iraq has other ideas...

[katinmn]

49. They (Bush and new Iraq PM) don't agree on negotiating with

"insurgents" either!

In a strange twist of fate, Bush supports it and the PM opposes it (while his vice PM supports it).
:silly:

[WiseButAngrySara]

50. I can't take any more of this! My head is going to EXPLODE! MSNBC

has a poll today, that states that the VAST majority of The People (you know, the holy 'WE', but to the Republicans, the H`oi Polloi?) want a timetable for troop withdrawal!

EVERYONE WANTS A TIMETABLE FOR TROOP WITHDRAWAL EXCEPT THE REPUBLICANS AND THE MEDIA!

[emulatorloo]

51. kicking n/t

[rateyes]

53. BUSH LIED????????

Imagine that! :sarcasm:

[Nothing Without Hope]

54. Another lie on the mountain of lies. The good news is that AP actually

reported this. I have to wonder if, six months ago, it would have been entirely suppressed.

K & R

[Nothing Without Hope]

55. ***THE ORIGINAL PREWAR LIES ARE STILL AT THE WHITE HOUSE WEB SITE***

Including even the "significant quantities of uranium from Africa" and the bogus "mobile weapons labs." So not so surprising that there's no hesitation to keep piling on more and more newer lies. Here's the link:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/nationalsecurity/disarm.html

And here's a screen grab from a few minutes ago:

[Hubert Flottz]

56. Them Gawd Damned, Ungrateful, Iraqi, Terraist, Bastids,...

Act like Iraq Belongs To Them!

[Selteri]

57. Looks like Bush is playing Deciderman again.

Hopefully this will help out the Democratic effort... though I only see that being done if the Democrats start talking both in one voice and forcing air time with the Neo-Con controlled Media.

[blm]

58. Iraq VP is on same page as Kerry and Murtha,s plan, but Biden and others

are siding with Bush on this. And they are lying about the withdrawal plans to kill them.

[Jack Rabbit]

59. Why should the emperor listen to the natives?

Who do the Iraqi people think they are? Do they think that they are Iraq? The emperor speaks for them. It is arrogance on their part to think they can speak for themselves.

When the emperor moves, he creates creates his own reality.

[Imagevision]

61. Iraqi's want a timetable on pullout - Bush; says no you don't...

msm going south again due to up coming elections. How is this NOT the story of the year??!!

Iraqi's want a timetable on US. troop pullout - Bush says; no you don't... and this fades away into oblivion?!! yo people! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!