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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:02 PM
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Leo Strauss: the father of the Neocons and scary as Hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

"Liberalism and nihilism
Strauss taught that liberalism, strictly speaking, contained within it an intrinsic tendency towards relativism, which in turn led to two types of nihilism. The first was a “brutal” nihilism, expressed in Nazi and Marxist regimes. These ideologies, both descendents of Enlightenment thought, tried to destroy all traditions, history, ethics and moral standards and replace it by force with a supreme authority from which nature and mankind are subjugated and conquered. The second type- the ‘gentle’ nihilism expressed in Western liberal democracies- was a kind of value-free aimlessness and hedonism, which he saw permeating the fabric of contemporary American society. In the belief that 20th century relativism, scientism, historicism, and nihilism were all implicated in the deterioration of modern society and philosophy, Strauss sought to uncover the philosophical pathways that had led to this state. The resultant study lead him to revive classical political philosophy as a source by which political action could be judged.

Noble lies and deadly truths
Strauss noted that thinkers of the first rank, going back to Plato, had raised the problem of whether good and effective politicians could be completely truthful and still achieve the necessary ends of their society. By implication, Strauss asks his readers to consider whether "noble lies" have any role at all to play in uniting and guiding the polis. Are "myths" needed to give people meaning and purpose and to ensure a stable society? Or can men and women dedicated to relentlessly examining, in Nietzsche's language, those "deadly truths", flourish freely? Thus, is there a limit to the political, and what can be known absolutely? In The City and Man, Strauss discusses the myths outlined in Plato's Republic that are required for all governments. These include a belief that the state's land belongs to it even though it was likely acquired illegitimately, and that citizenship is rooted in something more than the accidents of birth.

Strauss in the Public View
Strauss is a controversial and much caricatured figure in some academic and journalistic circles. (M.F. Burnyeat, "Sphinx Without a Secret," New York Review of Books, May 30, 1985). This has been both for his criticisms of various modern movements and thinkers (including many conservatives), and because some of his students and proteges, such as Allan Bloom, Harry V. Jaffa, Joseph Cropsey, Paul Wolfowitz, and Harvey C. Mansfield, are themselves controversial public figures. Many of these people are now frequently referred to as Straussians.

Yet Shadia Drury of the University of Regina, author of 1999's Leo Strauss and the American Right, claims Strauss' thought itself is dangerous and anti-democratic. She writes that Strauss taught different things to different students, and inculcated an elitist strain in American political leaders which is linked to imperialist militarism and Christian fundementalism. Drury believes that Strauss taught some of his students to believe "perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what's good for them. .. The Weimar Republic was his model of liberal democracy for which he had huge contempt." Drury adds, "Liberalism in Weimar, in Strauss's view, led ultimately to the Nazi Holocaust against the Jews." Another well known critic of Strauss is Anne Norton, although she is primarily an antagonist of straussians rather than Strauss himself.

Paul Wolfowitz was a student of Strauss; Wolfowitz attended two courses which Strauss taught on Plato and Montesquieu's spirit of the laws. Indeed, James Mann claims that Wolfowitz chose that University because Strauss taught there and believed him to be "a unique figure, an irreplaceable asset," recommended to him by teacher Allan Bloom who taught at Cornell when Wolfowitz was an undergraduate there. Wolfowitz himself has claimed to be more of a student of Albert Wohlstetter.

In Saul Bellow's quasi-biographical novel Ravelstein, (2001) the minor character, Davarr, is based on Strauss, while the central character of Ravelstein represents Strauss' protégé Allan Bloom. In 2004 the BBC produced a controversial three-part documentary on the threat from organised terrorism called the Power of Nightmares. This documentary attempts to show how Strauss' teachings, among others, influenced the neo-conservatives and thus, United States foreign policy, especially following the September 11, 2001 attacks. The connection to Strauss is established via students such as Wolfowitz."


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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:08 PM
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1. Download and watch The Power of Nightmares to see the resemblance
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 06:08 PM by Roland99
between the neocon and Islamist ideologies.

http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares

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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:16 PM
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2. Thanks.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:09 PM
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9. They create their boogymen after their own image...
Kinda like early man created their gods...
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:18 PM
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3. PNAC may change it's name, but those NeoNazis are NOT going away!
They MUST be dealt with, every last one of them.


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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:19 PM
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4. He was an educator ...
whos work was abused, grossly out of context, after he died.

Demonize the wrong thing and miss the demon.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:30 PM
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5. Zealots and Extremists of any "color" are a threat to peace for everyone!
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:37 PM
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6. this is really OLD stuff....1st page of "Leo Strauss DU" on google:
Edited on Thu Jun-15-06 06:39 PM by Gabi Hayes
with 'Democratic Underground' subbed for "DU".....over 80K links listed





Democratic Underground - Saving America: Leo Strauss and the ...Democratic Underground · Latest Threads · Latest · Greatest Threads ... Leo Strauss has long been a cult figure within the North American academy. ...
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Democratic Underground - From Eloriel: LEO STRAUSS AND THE NEO-CONShttp://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/du. ... Shadia Drury, author of 1999's Leo Strauss and the American Right, says that Hersh is right on ...
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rogueclassicismThe neocons' ideological mentor, atheist Leo Strauss, stressed that the ... . An allegation that is widespread these days in the ...
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Liberal UndergroundLeo Strauss did not INVENT Aristotle or Machiavelli; he merely taught them. ... Best/Worst of Democratic Underground and Other Progressive Sites, News, ...
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Nicholas Xenos - Leo Strauss and the Rhetoric of the War on Terror ...Clay went on to say, “The fact is that Leo Strauss”—and this is very important and ... Strauss’s criticisms of liberal-democratic societies did not stop at ...
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 06:58 PM
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7. Oh jeez...really?
Well I have been fooled--I was under the impression that manifest destiny commanded by a Puritanical God, racist exceptionalism, paranoid xenophobia, tolerance for extreme social violence, a penchant for moral terrorism that scapegoats minorities and military Keynesianism were the reasons why the US and it's people will, at the drop of a hat, kill thousands of people when economically threaten...

Jeez so it is Leo Strauss? Oh...OK

Hell I remember during the Reagan era, liberal Americans were avoiding the 'Good German' problem by blaming Karl Popper and the his Popp-etts.

So which Straussian invaded Vietnam? LOL

One thing Strauss got right is that there sure as hell is a big moral problem in America--but not the ones a politician can 'game' to get elected.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:06 PM
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8. NEO-CONS in PICS
http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/index.html



Irving Kristol Grandfather Of the NEO-CONS
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shain from kane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-15-06 07:31 PM
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10. The folly of Wolfowitz beliefs - death of 2,500 "unique figure(s),
irreplaceable asset(s)".
Go to hell, you bastard.
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