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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:09 PM
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DLC Peddles Right-Wing Talking Points; Christian Coalition Official in DLC
I dislike the DLC tremendously and am pleased to see 2 excellent articles about, what is IMO, the right-wing, hostile takeover of the Democratic Party by the DLC.


Joe Lieberman & the Hostile Takeover of Centrism

In (David Sirota's) new book Hostile Takeover....spend a good deal of time showing how ultra-conservative right-wingers have hijacked the terms "centrist" and "mainstream" and disconnected them from what's actually "centrist" and "mainstream" among the public.... That's no accident - it is a deliberate strategy employed by Big Money interests that run the Establishment to effectively marginalize the vast majority of the population from its own political debate and political system. It is, in short, a hostile takeover not just of our government, but of political discourse itself.

As just one example, take Marshall Wittman. This ultra-right-wing former Christian Coalition official is now employed at the Democratic Leadership Council, and purports to speak for Democrats. He is one of the most odious icons of Washington's bought-off bipartisan Establishment - and has made a name for himself peddling right-wing talking points, narratives and storylines wholly at odds with actual facts. Last week was no exception. He told the Los Angeles Times that the Connecticut primary "is a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party" because "it will have repercussions for the 2008 presidential campaign and whether centrists will feel comfortable within the Democratic Party."

Wittman, a staunch Lieberman shill, is actually correct, though inadvertently. He's right - this is "a fight for the soul of the Democratic Party" and it will indicate "whether centrists will feel comfortable within the Democratic Party." But the actual data shows that the centrist is not Lieberman, as Wittman purports, but those opposing Lieberman. And if Lieberman wins the primary, it could mean that centrists will not feel comfortable in the party, because the actual data shows Lieberman is the out-of-the-mainstream arch-right-winger, and the movement that is challenging him represents the real center.

This is not theoretical rhetoric or cocktail party chatter, as Wittman and his ilk in the pundit class have become specialists in peddling. This is cold, hard fact, backed up by cold, hard facts (you remember - those things so looked down upon inside the Beltway). On almost every major issue, the data shows that Lieberman is far to the right of the "center" or "mainstream" of American public opinion.

Lieberman-DLC on Iraq: Stay-the-course
Americans: Roughly two thirds of Americans oppose the war and want a change in policy.

Lieberman-DLC on privatizing Social Security: Can support investing a portion in the private markets.
Americans: A CNN/USA Today poll 2005 - 59% oppose privatization.

Lieberman-DLC on health care: Not willing to raise taxes to pay for health insurance.
Americans: 69% say that they would be willing to pay more per year in federal taxes to assure every American citizen received health care coverage.

Lieberman-DLC on price controls on drugs: Opposed.
Americans: 60% favor federal government price controls.

Lieberman-DLC on trade agreements: Support NAFTA, WTO and China PNTR that were stripped of labor/wage/human rights/environmental protections and thus undermined American jobs, wages, and benefits.
Americans: 90% of Americans want trade deals to include strong labor protections and 93% want strong environmental protections

Lieberman-DLC Funding Pentagon: Vote for bigger and bigger Pentagon budgets.
Americans: Vast majority of the public is one that supports "deep cuts in defense spending, a significant reallocation toward deficit reduction, and increases in spending on education, job training, reducing reliance on oil, and veterans."

What can we learn from all of this? New York Times columnist Paul Krugman says we can see that in today's Washington "A Democrat is considered centrist to the extent that he does what Mr. Lieberman does: lends his support to Republican talking points, even if those talking points don't correspond at all to what most of the public wants or believes."

Big Money interests have made an art out of eviscerating those who challenge them, and every pundit on the cocktail party circuit from Joe Klein to Tom Friedman to David Brooks has shown their eagerness to dishonestly attack populists that challenge the Establishment. But rest assured that despite all of this desperate hot air, the cold, hard data shows the public is ready to reward the real centrists - the people who have the guts to stand down the elitsts on the fringe and stand with the vast majority of America in the real mainstream center. That's the place that supports political leaders who dare to fight back against the hostile takeover. "

Joe Lieberman & the Hostile Takeover of Centrism


The DLC: to the History Pages
http://www.counterpunch.org/carmichael05302006.html

For a decade and a half, the DLC dominated the Democratic Party more thoroughly than any pressure group had ever controlled any political party in American history. After ten years of failure to regain the majority in Congress and abject failures in the two previous presidential elections, Governor Howard Dean led a grassroots movement of party activists to reclaim the levers of power for traditional Democratic policies: constitutional democracy, the open society, multilateralism, social welfare, a national health service, national security and homeland security realized through diplomacy rather than by military confrontation and many more substantive and socially progressive policies besides.

While Governor Dean faced a broad field of DLC-backed opponents parroting Mr. From's mantras redolent of neoconservative cant, each one crumbled like a rag doll before him. Today, Governor Dean is leading a through-going reorganization of the Democratic Party that relies on the energy provided by grassroots activists. At the same time, Governor Dean has de-emphasized the right-leaning consultancies and pressure groups preferred by the DLC.

In order to succeed with his plan for the reform of the Democratic Party, Governor Dean faces the stalwart opposition of Mr. From and his neoconservative cronies at the DLC and many powerful Democratic office holders as well, who are still under their sway. These neoconservative Democrats include: Governor Tom Vilsack, Senator Evan Bayh, Senator Joe Biden and Senator Hillary Clinton.


I LIVE IN INDIANA - Evan Bayh is a DLC GOP'er!


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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:10 PM
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1. That's what I'm talkin about!
:bounce:

:applause:

:thumbsup:

:yourock:

recom-freaking-mended!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:12 PM
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:16 PM
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3. if I want to vote for a republican, I will vote for a real one thanks nt
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:21 PM
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5. I'm with you, only are these Republicans, or Bushites?
I have always been a Dem, but there were Republicans I respected and even admired (see Gov. Bill Milliken in Michigan; Sen. Howard Baker, others). The Bushites are not Republicans in even the Reagan sense of the word. They are a new, radical third party using the wealth of the Republicans to spew their hatred and evil.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:49 PM
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11. Really! You've hit the
proverbial nail on ze head! bush is no more a republican in the sense of Eisenhower, Lincoln, or Teddy Rosevelt than he can speak English.

They're bushites or cheneyites if you want to name it after the head gargoyle.
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SeaBob Donating Member (447 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:14 PM
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19. bushites etc
I always called them assholes
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:25 PM
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21. AssHoles always
works! Welcome Aboard DU, SeaBob!
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:26 PM
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7. your post makes zero sense but i suppose if i were an apologist
for those right wing assholes i would have to resort to nothing but personal attacks, too. :eyes:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:42 PM
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15. "your post makes zero sense"
y'know, I'm guessing Benchley was here.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:14 PM
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20. Probably a good guess.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:19 PM
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4. Get Rid of the DLC...
here's a kick. They disgust me.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:23 PM
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6. Joementum smells like PNAC to me.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:22 PM
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12. I would not be surprised if Lieberman gets funding/support from
Heritage & other foundations that also supported PNAC's work.

I don't see Lieberman as lining up with PNAC's imperialist tendences, but they certainly do have some overlapping core principles - such as "corporation over all else"...

:hi:

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:32 PM
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8. Good to see that people are using DU to bash Democrats

:sarcasm:
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:48 PM
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9. Whay does criticizing ther DLC have to do with bashing Democrats?
IMHO, if it weren't for the DLC, Democrats would have been in power the last six years. The worst advice Democrats get always comes from the DLC. I swear, I am not at ALL positive that everyone at the DLC is even on our side. So screw 'em.

More Dean, less DLC!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 07:23 PM
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13. What Democratic organization was Al Gore the president of?
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:01 PM
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14. Brentspeak - Do you have links about Gore & DLC?
I am, right now, in support of drafting Gore to run for Pres in '08 -- I have serious reservations about his having pushed through NAFTA, and about his lack of strong public objections to Clinton's Iraq policy (leaving economic sanctions in place). I would like to learn more.

:kick:
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 08:45 PM
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16. Yeah, Al used to be DLC. In fact, he helped found it.
But he's seen the error of his ways now. He's a REAL Democrat again, and Thank FDR for it!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:28 PM
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22. Exactly, he saw the light and no longer is part of the DLC. There is
nothing wron w making wrong choices in life, especially if you work to correct what you have done wrong.

GORE '08!
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cmkramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:57 PM
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34. You mean
like how they advised Gore to run on Clinton's record and to highlight the accomplishments of that Administration while his liberal/progressive advisors were telling him to distance himself so that he could appear like his "own man"?
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Dave Reynolds Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 06:49 PM
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10. I guess that would be true
if the DLC were not so....Republican-like.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:45 PM
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23. Democrats?
I thought the OP was bashing the DLC. Not the same thing. Not the same thing at all.

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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:38 AM
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30. Just like you are using DU
to suggest that we should support "democrats" who just happen to side with Republicans. :shrug:

Supporting DINOs is not supporting democrats. Just as criticizing DINOs is not "bashing" democrats.


If the DLCers wanted to start some "Third Way" third party - they should have done so.

And if some people don't recognize PNAC supporters - they aren't paying attention.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:09 PM
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17. THANK YOU
For restating the point that the DLC is a rightwing front group.

Third way my ass. Don't trust them.They are dems when they want your vote republicans after they are elected.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:13 PM
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18. Yuck. The DLC.
Excuse me while I go gargle with salt water to try to get their infection out of my mouth.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 09:51 PM
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24. It *IS* a hostile take-over
...and it is so important to take the party back from these cons.

Here a related thread:

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2006/5/28/203122/323
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 11:37 PM
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25. To those who call this "bashing" --
I'd like to know, to the extent the info above purports to state facts, are those "facts" accurate?

If not, pls specify the factual inaccuracies. We all need to know!

But given the Right's known ruthless, concerted and to-various-degrees successful efforts to set up conservative foundations under neutral-sounding names, take over the media, take over or starve education at all levels, take over the election system, etc., it strikes me as naive not to at least consider that they may well have been making a concerted effort to take over the Dem party from within.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:22 AM
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26. borrowing and spending hundreds of billions of dollars for . . .
Edited on Thu Jun-01-06 02:23 AM by OneBlueSky
invading and occupying other (oil-rich) countries while nearly half of Americans have no health insurance is unconscionable . . .

we simply cannot continue to:

- choose a culture of death over a culture of life . . .

- value things more than humans (more than life itself) . . .

- destroy rather than celebrate . . .


this way lies madness . . .
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 02:26 AM
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27. Where's the usual pack of DLC apologists?
You're late!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:27 AM
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28. Kick!
:kick:
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:38 AM
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29. Marshall Wittman........
I'm not a DLC guy, but here is an interesting essay by Wittman on his blog. I think it spells out exactly what the Religious Right has become.

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=127&subid=173&contentid=252914
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 11:52 AM
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31. I got halfway through it when I read this...
"In the past few years, there has been an effort by the neoconservative center-right to forge a new politics of national greatness"

NEO-conservative "center-right"?

Is he ignorant or just a flat-out liar?
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 12:01 PM
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32. I find him somewhat objectionable...........
but he's right about the Christian Right being the foot soldiers for the elitist corporate right.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-01-06 03:22 PM
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33. I don't care what the DLC did in the past,
who was a member, who IS a member, who will one day become a member.

The DLC has got to go. Right now.

We already have the DNC, work with them and its leader, or just get the hell out of the way. Joining the Republican Party would be a good option for DLCers who don't wish to work with the DNC, and in fact often work AGAINST the DNC.
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