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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:35 PM
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FDR didn't get Hitler
Have you seen them throw that one out yet? I've seen a few Freeper types on blogs and message boards say, "FDR didn't catch Hitler" when someone says Bush can't catch Bin Laden. What the don't seem to understand is, Hitler was defeated and then killed himself and wasn't running around making tapes, so therefore he was no longer a threat and they also seem to forget Truman was President when the war ended. Bush has allowed Bin Laden run free and make tapes without even trying to get him anymore.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:38 PM
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1. The Northern Alliance didn't want to catch bin Laden
and BushCo didn't want to catch him either.

They still don't.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:46 AM
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25. But, we can always throw
up in their faces that they "didn't catch bin laden".

They don't want to catch him so he'll be the eternal Boogie man?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:38 PM
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2. Different time, different methods, different technology.
It's about as persuasive as when freepers bring up the Dixiecrats when discussing their party's record on race and economic issues compared to ours.

i.e. Not at all.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:59 PM
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7. Thank you! Indeed! n/t
PB
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Lib Grrrrl Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:44 AM
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22. Yeah...Especially When You Consider
that the Dixiecrats ALL wound up becoming today's Republicans...and officially jumped Parties.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:40 PM
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3. No I haven't and it doesn't make any sense
The war was still going on when Roosevelt died on April 12, 1945. Unless they think that Roosevelt should have did what Stalin did which was race to Berlin simply for propaganda purposes and in the process risk thousands of military lives than there's no reason why Roosevelt should got Hitler. If one is going to ba blamed for hte US and British not taking Berlin first it would be Eisenhower since he felt that the Germans should take Berlin first. I can't say I blame him honestly.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:46 PM
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4. don't you mean the Russians take Berlin?
That's what I've read about Ike anyway - sort of payback for all the Russian millions who starved & died because of the nazi aggression. I've read the German populace was terrified of the advancing Russians because they had a reputation of raping & murdering.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:50 PM
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6. Yeah thats what I mean
That's why I thikn Eisenhower let Zhukov and the Red Army take Berlin. I believe Eisenhower did the same thing with DeGalle and Paris. The former was a tough situation as our relationship with the Soviets was getting worse but I think it saved lives ultimately.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:16 AM
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9. Eisenhower knew it would be costly to take Berlin...
The Russians had over 100,000 dead, and almost 300,000 wounded.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:21 AM
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11. Which is why I thikn he made the right decision
Most of those 100,000 and 300,000 wounded did so unnesscary. Accounts have Stalin wanting to race to Berlin for a propaganda victory more than anything else. So yeah I agree that Ike made ultimately the better move there.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:34 AM
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12. I am certain that the American soldiers...
appreciated Eisenhower's choice. Only FDR hating, freakrepublik "we are fighting the culture war at home" cowards would say otherwise. They are so brave, critiquing the war, some 60 years later, just as they are so brave now, supporting the war in Iraq, from the front of their stateside computer screens.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:39 AM
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13. Yeah I am sure they did too
Especially when you factor in the fact we were fighting two fronts during that war.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-30-06 11:49 PM
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5. Only an imbecile would dream up that comparison
And the best thing to do when faced with an imbecile is laugh. Or ignore them. Brush them off with the maximum of contempt.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:04 AM
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8. FDR and Stalin were actively hunting Hitler.....
Remember * "doesn't spend time thinking about him...not on his mind" (Paraphrasing)

This * cabal stopped looking after we invaded Iraq....they took their eye off the ball...and as long as Bin Laden lives....more Americans will die...whether they are soldiers or American civilians they are going to die because of the ineptitude of this administration...
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:19 AM
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10. And don't forget FDR thoughtlessly died before defeating Japan!
:crazy:
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:46 AM
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14. They also claim Truman started hostilities in Korea, Clinton invaded
Somalia, and LBJ was the first to send troops to Vietnam (Ike started it in 59-60). All three are lies.
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deFaultLine Donating Member (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:52 AM
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16. Well...
at least they are consistant.

It's sad that people know so little about recent history. By that I mean what has gone on in the past 100 years, not since Toby Kieth put out his last CD.
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Elwood P Dowd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:16 AM
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19. They can't even remember when Bushitler said
"We're going to catch those guys who knocked down these buildings." That is ancient history for most repukes I know.
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theabbot Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:25 AM
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21. Why do you want to kill bin Laden?
You must really hate America.

(note to Freepers: it's called sarcasm.)
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 12:50 AM
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15. That logic sounds like Six Degrees of Bacon to me....
...it doesn't even make sense.

By-the-way, no I haven't heard about that, and even if I did, it wouldn't merit comment.
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theabbot Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:01 AM
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17. That Liberal FDR lost World War II!
Along with Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton!

Hitler was still alive until Ronald Reagan killed him with his bare hands and then got us out of the Great Depression.

And Bush killed Hirohito.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:02 AM
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18. I remember that
What the liberal media reported as Bush vomiting and nearly passing out was actually Bush spitting Yakuza-supplied poison needles at his one-time foe.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 01:23 AM
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20. hey, abbott!
welcome to DU :hi:

And actually that is all true. Hitler actually escaped to Argentina, dontcha know. Then he had himself cloned and surgically altered, and he was actually the leader of Panama for a while. Yes, little known fact - Manuel Noriega is actually Hitler's clone, and that's why Bush had him captured in 1989 after the CIA discovered it. Actually, Bush wanted him because Hitler owed his grandfather 150 Deutschmarks from a poker game back in 1940. It's a complicated world. :tinfoilhat:
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:42 AM
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23. Hitler wasn't running around making speeches in 1946
after the war was declared won . . . in less time that we've been fighting "Osama" since 9/11 . . .
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:44 AM
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24. FDR died before we got Hitler.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:47 AM
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26. At least he thought Hitler was a bad person, unlike most conservatives
who supported Hitler before (and some even during) the war
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-31-06 10:50 AM
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27. FDR's war got Hitler.
Edited on Wed May-31-06 10:52 AM by K-W
Bush isnt fighting OBL's army to get to OBL. He is fighting Iraqi's to get to thier oil.
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