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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:49 AM
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Where Do You Draw Your "Privacy Line"?
Do street cameras make you unconfortable?

Store surveillance?

How about those "club cards" that track your spending at a store?

Where is it appropriate and where is it inappropriate to record somebody? What is a "reasonable expectation of privacy?"

How would you word a law that clearly draws that line?
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:56 AM
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1. hey, you traitor. We are at war. A war on terra. so shut up and go wait
for your session with the lie detector. The FBI will be keeping your house and computer secure. Trust us.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 06:58 AM
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2. I don't like street cameras
because they are in a public place. As of the others-well, I don't have to shop in a store that has club cards or store surveillance-and, come to think of it, I don't around here, because I shop mom/pop small stores. If there are street cameras, that action should only be taken after a public debate and vote by your city council, I would think.
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HornBuckler Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:00 AM
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3. Yes Yes and Yes
It all bothers me.

I draw the line at anything and everything that monitors my behavior/life. But I do take comfort in the fact that there are SO MANY of us that collecting data on us all is futile.

Well, at least that's my hope.

:)

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novalib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:01 AM
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4. My House. My Bank Account.
When I'm in public I understand that I am IN PUBLIC.

I have NO EXPECTATION of privacy in public. (That's not to say that I would LIKE some privacy while I am in public.)

But when I am in MY HOUSE, I am IN PRIVATE. NO spying on me there.

That's one reason I get INCENSED when some telemarketer calls, and says, "May I speak to Mr. or Mrs. Novalib, please?" How in the HELL do they know my last name????!!!!

And I also expect privacy regarding my bank account. I NEVER give the IRS my bank account number!!!
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DiverDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:17 AM
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7. I agree.
if I'm out, then everybody sees me anyway.
If I'm in...well, lets just say that I aint the slim lad I once was.
I use the store cards, us poor folks gotta save wherever we can.
But not walmart, not for 5 years, and never again.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:54 AM
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10. yeah, that about sums it up for me. n/t
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:00 AM
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11. I agree:) Don't go out in public if you are scared of being videotaped. nt
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:24 AM
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13. (why I kept my phone listed in my maiden name)
It gives me the jump on coldcallers.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:07 AM
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5. Why are you wearing those drawers if you have nothing to hide?
Edited on Thu May-25-06 07:13 AM by Hubert Flottz
EDIT...Jerk down your drawers when the King drives by and show him you aren't hiding any sleeper cells where the sun don't shine!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:53 AM
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9. who ever said I was wearing pants? n/t
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 08:02 AM
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12. I'm Mooning for Victory!
Edited on Thu May-25-06 08:16 AM by Hubert Flottz
I no longer have anything, and I mean ANYTHING to hide!

Edit...to add link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1279707
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Justice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:11 AM
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6. Interesting Historical View of Privacy EU vs US and why Bush is in trouble

As the issues of privacy came to the forefront (b/c of the Internet and triggered by Doubleclick and Toysmart et al), there were various programs and speeches on privacy rights. Many of these included a comparison between the US and UK views of privacy rights. As many people know, the EU collectively and each EU country individually has a vastly different approach to privacy -- it applies to all personal information, not just certain categories, like we have in the US. The approach strictly regulates the collection, use and transfer of personally identifiable information, including information that reveals something about you, such as ordering a kosher airline meal might reveal that you are jewish.

A common theme of these programs is to trace back in history the respective countries' views of personal data. In tracing back the EU model approach, the point is made that people in the EU countries trust their government, and generally have no problem disclosing their personal information to the government. They do not, however, trust the use of their information for marketing and sales purposes, and so have always been very suspicious of efforts by companies to collect their information for commercial purposes. So as the EU looked at the issue, it was appropriate and relatively straight forward to adopt directive like the data directive that restricts what can be done with an individual's data. EU residents also believe, as does the government that your personal information is exactly that - yours. Your data is considered almost sacred.

The US history is exactly the opposite. The speakers would say that US citizens don't trust their personal data to the government, and so resisted efforts to provide more information to the government. US residents however cannot turn over the personal information fast enough for any commercial purposes - entering a sweepstakes, signing up for a free offer, providing their phone number when making a simple purchase, using loyalty cards to save money. So the US has been more receptive to the collection, use and sale of data. In fact, US companies treat personal data as a corporate asset - to increase the value of the company. It is not considered the property of the individual.

US regulation of privacy is relatively minimal even today. The US regulates certain categories of information - health, financial, student, information about children. Certain US states have laws regarding employee information, and narrow laws on selected categories of data - your video store rental history. There is no generally applicable law on privacy and data regulation. The FTC has a set of principles (notice, consent, access/opp to correct, security, are some of the elements) they apply -- which are not law. Most of the enforcement activity by the FTC has been fining companies for saying they protect data in one way, when their actual practices are different/inferior. More recently, the FTC has been focused on security - but that is b/c the information at issue is financial.

So why do I think Bush is in trouble over the NSA/telcon spying -- the commercial side, which US residents were comfortable with, is now collaborating with the government. US residents drew their privacy line decades ago - companies changed the line b/c working with the government.
US residents won't and don't like this - and will demand more protections regarding data collection, use and sharing.


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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-25-06 07:21 AM
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8. We're headed for total information awareness
I know I've heard that somewhere before, but it just seems obvious. There is no expectation of privacy anymore. We have more communication, more information, more technology that gets dreamed up by agencies like DARPA, more studies, more experiments to learn how the brain works(which can be helpful, but that is a wet dream of an ad agency, let alone a secret spy agency). There is no privacy, and it'll only get worse. There's nowhere left to go. We can't sail west for the land of freedom(but if there is a next time, no killing and enslaving people).
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